Yes,it is -----Original Message----- >From: Sherry <wiccanpt2@netzero.net> >Sent: Mar 10, 2010 7:44 PM >To: moray@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY] Ancestry > >Always a good idea to check >http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=1 >from time to time. > >Your area is not covered but imagine that it may be in the future. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Always a good idea to check http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=1 from time to time. Your area is not covered but imagine that it may be in the future.

> The relevant parties have been removed from this list. Thank you, Carol. Anne

Apologies for typo in dates <<<every Donald ROBERTSON in the Scot 1881C, born between 1778 and 1880>>> !!! Thank you everyone for your input. Looks like I should be looking in Dundee if I want to go back further. But more interested in the mystery grandson. Birth place recorded in Hendon and many ROBERTSONs there. I'll post details if I get cert, if anyone is interested. As a safeguard I entered mother's Christian name as "Alice". (Christian name of aunt and pos mother.) I am so grateful for that 1901C entry and guidance, especially as I am really "out of County". Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] William Gordon ROBERTSON born abt 1870 > >A little help from the 1901 census on ancestry. >> >> Edinburgh family - It seems that Donald jr is married and >> working as a joiner in >> Edinburgh. >> Dundee family - Donald jr not around and William George (a >> baker) is still at >> home. > > So maybe the William G Robertson who was the witness is William > George Robertson, baker in Edinburgh, and William Gordon > Robertson is a complete red herring. As is George Robertson next > door to him.

I tried a search for the Lancashire death of Edward Arnold born 1885 and got the ususal page of confusing results. But the correct Edward (died 1954 in St Helens) was actually on the first page. The image was the correct quarter index page with the appropriate volume and page data for ordering a certificate. Ancestry also offers to obtain the certificate for you with a cost (US dollar) between $38-$85 depending on type of shipping selected. -- Jo-Ann Croft

What they have for England and Wales is England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 - Free Index England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 - Free Index England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 - Free Index England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 the 1916-2005 death index is searchable by name ....ie if I put it James Doe it will come up with the entry ...the year, the age, the place and the ref numbers...it will then take me to the St Cath House index page. So it is an improvement on the old search which just gave you the pages which ought to cover that particular surname and you had to search each quarter separately. But you still have to order certs from the GRO at £7 each Irene

A little help from the 1901 census on ancestry. Edinburgh family - It seems that Donald jr is married and working as a joiner in Edinburgh. Dundee family - Donald jr not around and William George (a baker) is still at home. Ancestry only has the England & Wales data from the FreeBMD website, so that was no help. You could probably find his death on findmypast, but it can get expensive. -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hello Ann. Donald Jr's father is shown as a Joiner on the cert. The fact you show the 1st Joiner has a son, William George, is interesting. But it could be another red herring. The child born in 1907 is Donald Gordon ROBERTSON. I'd like to keep the 2nd "Joiner" in Edinburgh as a "possible" too. Donald Jr was shown a Pattern Maker, worker, in 1901C Plumstead, Woolwich. Probably in the Arsenal factories. That was also his occupation when he got married. If I could find a death entry for Donald Jr between 1904 and 1911 I'd have no hesitation in getting a certificate but alas nothing in English freebmd that I could find. I don't have subs to ancestry. As he died so young I wonder if he had an accident. A VKS listed every Donald ROBERTSON in the Scot 1881C, born between 1778 and 1880, whatever relationship. There were 27. I'm so pleased you have at least narrowed it down to 9. I've ordered the baby Donald's birth cert but as there will be hundreds of requests to GRO by people rushing in before the price goes up to over £9 next month, it might take a while to come through. Thank you for your continued interest. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] William Gordon ROBERTSON born abt 1870 > > What was Donald Sr's occupation according to Donald Jr's > marriage certificate? > > According to the LDS CD-ROMs there were seven Donald Robertsons > of roughly the right age in the 1881 census in Scotland with a > father also named Donald. The fathers' occupations were > > Provision merchant in Dundee, Angus > Crofter in Canisbay, Caithness > Mason in Forfar, Angus > Gamekeeper in Killin, Perthshire > Joiner in Dundee (who also had a son William George) > Another joiner in Edinburgh > Farm labourer in Glasgow > > All of those except the crofter and the labourer were the sort > of skilled trades which you would expect them to continue > working at throughout their lives. So the father's occupation on > the 1904 marriage certificate could be very useful. > > Anne

I don't have a subscription but Ancestry.co.uk is now advertising that they have their own separate BMD indexes for 1916-2005 - only the 1837-1915 indexes come from FreeBMD. Robin -----Original Message----- From: moray-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:moray-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jecroft@att.net Sent: March-09-10 4:01 PM To: moray@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] William Gordon ROBERTSON born abt 1870 Ancestry only has the England & Wales data from the FreeBMD website, so that was no help. You could probably find his death on findmypast, but it can get expensive.

Thanks, Andy and Irene. I'll have a look next time I'm in the FHS. Anne

>> I tried a search for the Lancashire death of Edward Arnold >> born 1885 and >>got the ususal page of confusing results. But the correct >>Edward (died >>1954 in St Helens) was actually on the first page. The image >>was the >>correct quarter index page with the appropriate volume and >>page data for >>ordering a certificate. Ancestry also offers to obtain the >>certificate for >>you with a cost (US dollar) between $38-$85 depending on type >>of shipping >>selected. > You can purchase the certificate yourself for 7 GDP direct > from the GRO, all > Ancestry does, and other commercial companies, is order the > certificate you > request from the GRO for 7 GDP and charge you substantially > more. They are > basically just acting as your agent. and, from the sound of it, ripping off the customer. $38, let alone $85, for something you can get direct for £7 sounds like a very poor deal. Anne

My interest on this page is Ann McQUIBAN. If anyone would like a copy of the image, let me know. 1905 Death Register, Parish of Dallas, County of Elgin Page 2 #4 Ann McQUIBAN, single Died: 16 Sept 1905, Whitemoss, Dallas Age: 84 years Parents: William McQUIBAN, weaver & crofter (deceased) and Elspeth McQuiban m.s. ANDERSON (deceased) COD: senile decay, certified by Donald G. CAMPBELL, MB Informant: John GRIGOR, son, present #5 Mary Ann MILLER, pauper, single Died: 7 November 1905, The Village, Dallas Age: 88 years Parents: William MILLER, feuar (deceased) and Jane Miller m.s. CRUCKSHANK (deceased) COD: apoplexy, 7 days, certified by DONALD G. CAMPBELL, MB Informant: William McDONALD, son, Thomshill, Birnie #6 John McKENZIE, farmer, single Died: 20 December 1905, Bodnefleuch, Kellas, Dallas Age: 85 years Parents: William McKENZIE, crofter (deceased) and Janet McKenzie m.s. McGRIGOR (deceased) COD: Bright's Disease, certified by J. Walker WATSON, MB Informant: Erick MASSON, nephew, present -- Jo-Ann Croft

You can get Christian's birth/baptism record from http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk and her brother Alexander. The on-line IGI gives these children: MacKENZIE, Christian b 21 Apr 1803, bap 2 May 1803 Resolis, Ross and Cromarty McKENZIE, Alexander b 25 Mar 1809 Resolis, Ross and Cromarty Parents: James M[a]cKENZIE and Margaret AIRD If James was an officer then I don't believe he would have been an Army Pensioner. The pension system was for enlisted men only as far as I know. Therefore the James you found in the 1841 census was not your James. In the 1851 census, that Margaret is still living at Flockleys and is described as Unmarried, which would have made her the sister of the the 1841 James. For Christian and Joseph YOUNG, the on-line IGI gives these births: John - 29 Nov 1833 Assynt, Sutherland Margaret - 23 Jul 1835 Urquhart & Logie Wester Thomas - 24 Jul 1840 Gairloch Christina - 11 May 1842 Gairloch William - ch 30 Dec 1844 Gairloch James MacKenzie - 14 Oct 1845 Gairloch Elizabeth Grace MacKenzie - 26 May 1848 Gairloch -- Jo-Ann Croft

> I don't have a subscription but Ancestry.co.uk is now > advertising that they > have their own separate BMD indexes for 1916-2005 - only the > 1837-1915 > indexes come from FreeBMD. Is this a searchable index, or is it just images of the St Catherine's index pages? There are several sites which have the indexes as images, but I'm not aware of another fully searchable index for the period from the end of FreeBMD (which is a moveable date as more and more of the index is transcribed) and 1983. From 1984 there is a fully searchable index on various sites. Ancestry.co.uk were taken to task a year or two ago for making misleading claims like 'everything you need to research your UK ancestry' or words to that effect. Given that they don't have originals of many essential pieces of information, like BMD certificates, the Advertising Standards Authority took a dim view of that particular claim. So I would take with a pinch of salt any new claim from Ancestry unless and until I have seen for myself what they actually have. If Ancestry genuinely do have a fully searchable index to 1983, then even I might be tempted to subscribe. But my experience of using Ancestry on the FHS terminal and in libraries here and in North America is (a) that searching is a tedious and intensely frustrating business because every search produces dozens of irrelevant 'matches', and (b) that it is not a good source for Scottish research. Anne

Hello Rhoda. Thank you for response. It was Donald ROBERTSON who married in 1904 in Plumstead. His age at marriage 25 (dob prob 1879). Father was another Donald ROBERTSON. In 1901C Donald Jr was lodging with his bride's family in Plumstead so no other family to work on. I suppose I shouldn't presume that William G was living in the south, he could have come just for the wedding? .............. and so wouldn't be there in 1901? As I say, a very long shot but I must follow every lead. The "G" initial in the witness' name and the extra Moray detail in the 1911C was tempting. I hoped by finding the right William G ROBERTSON's bap I would get Donald's. And if I'm on the right list, some descendants. Thank you again for the details and for your interest. I'll certainly work on those leads. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] William Gordon ROBERTSON born abt 1870 Hello Joan Can you just confirm the first name of the Robertson bridegroom who married into your Freelove family? Was it Donald? And what age was he? Trouble is ROBERTSON is such a commonly found name in Scotland. There were 10 William G Robertsons whose births were registered in Scotland between 1868 and 1872 - but none with the middle name GORDON. The nearest is a William Gardine Robertson whose birth was registered in New or East Kilpatrick in Dumbartonshire in 1872. 'Your' William may have added the middle name when he became a young man. It is probably a 'family' name; perhaps his mother's maiden surname.

Robin, you're a gem - even more so since you're a fellow Canadian! This is the man I've been looking for. So he was on the same boat as James Garrow and Isabella Murison. Does this passenger list show the Anderson family, by any chance? Alexander Burgess married Margaret Anderson in Canada, and it is thought they all went to Canada together. I think this indicates that James Murison and Isabella Garrow sailed a year earlier. Can you please tell me how and where to look for this information? I have to learn to do these things myself! All the best, Chris From: "Robin McLeod" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] MURISON/GARROW - SHIPPING LISTS 1871/2 - ELGIN COUNTY -Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS > There is an Alex Burgess (age 22) on the passenger list for the Manitoban > arriving 27 June 1872 - just below what looks to be Jas Garrow (age 24) & > Mrs. Garrow (age 20). Alex's occupation could be either printer or > painter. > I don't see the Murisons on the list. > > Robin >

Anybody know if George and Margaret's daughter Margaret married a McKerras? ________________________________ From: moray-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of jecroft@att.net Sent: Sun 3/7/2010 4:01 PM To: moray@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] falconer Liz, I have them in my tree, although I haven't done any other research on George or the children. Margaret LEAL's mother was Anne ROBB which is my link. -- Jo-Ann Croft -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: liza stuart <lizastart@yahoo.ca> > HiIs anyone else researching the Falconer(Fawkner) family: George Falconer married Margaret Leal and ha several children: John, Ann, Margaret, Elizabeth, > George and JeanThanksLiz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is an Alex Burgess (age 22) on the passenger list for the Manitoban arriving 27 June 1872 - just below what looks to be Jas Garrow (age 24) & Mrs. Garrow (age 20). Alex's occupation could be either printer or painter. I don't see the Murisons on the list. Robin -----Original Message----- From: moray-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:moray-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Duff Sent: March-07-10 5:07 PM To: garrow@rootsweb.com; MURISON-L@rootsweb.com; BURGESS-L@rootsweb.com; SCT-BANFFSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com; MORAY-L@rootsweb.com; can-ont-elgin@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] MURISON/GARROW - SHIPPING LISTS 1871/2 - ELGIN COUNTY - Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS ...I do know that James GARROW (1848-1930) and his wife Isabella MURISON (1852-1933) sailed on the 'Manitoban' out of Glasgow on 27 June 1872 (list #53, Ref: RG76, Film C-4527), but I had believed the aforementioned James Murison and Isabella Garrow were on this boat as well. I can't find them anywhere... Before James Murison emigrated, he worked on the railway at Portsoy and made friends with a fellow worker, Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS. Alexander also emigrated at about the same time and he and James worked on the railway in Ontario before going their separate ways, but retaining a close friendship. Alexander became a reporter, then a newspaper owner, and finally became a member of the federal government in Ottawa. James mentioned in his letters home that he was hoping to get (but never did) a copy of Alexander's journal describing his voyage to Canada. It is possible they were on the same boat, but again, I can't find them. If anyone has access to shipping manifests, I would be most grateful if they could take a look and see if my MURISONs and GARROWs can be found. Also Alexander Mackinnon BURGESS. I would also be happy to hear from anyone with connections to my MURISON and GARROW families. Chris Duff (in Canada since 1982) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm researching the McKenzie/Young family, and possibly the Robertson family. This is the information I have. Capt James McKenzie, b 24 Dec 1775 Dyke, Moray ggg grandfather father William (IGI) Discharged from Royal Regiment of Artillery, aged 40 ca 1815 Married Margaret, ggg grandmother 1841 census, James, 66, living at Flocklens, Moray, occupation Army P Margaret, 51 1851 census - Margaret, 60, b Forres,living at 366 High St, Forres 1861 census - Margaret, 70 b Edinkillie, visiting Robertson family Peter, 31 Helen, 27 Peter, 2 James, 10 mo Daughter Christian gg grandmother b abt 1809/1810 Resolis/Ferintosh, Ross & Cromarty d 16 Sept 1863 Strath, Gariloch, Ross & Cromarty married Joseph Young, 22 June 1832 Kincardine Joseph b abt 1811 Inver, Inversshire children - Christian Young gg grandmother b 11 May 1842 Gaiskell Poolewe Garloch John Young, b abt 1833/1834, Sutherlandshire Margaret Young, abt 1835 Coran R&C Thomas Young, b 24 Jul 1840 Poolewe, R&C William Young b abt 1845 Poolewe, R&C Grace Elizabethe Young, b 26 May 1848, Poolewe, Gairloch James Young, b abt 1847, Poolewe, Gairloch Is anyone also researching this family? I was intrigued by the information Jo-An Croft provided on Forres - Ann, daughter to Alexander MacKenzie and Janet Robertson b 14-9-1832 and wondered if there might be a connection with the Robertson's Margaret McKenzie was visiting during the 1861 census. Probably a stretch. Could not find any info on Margaret McKenzie, birth, marriage to James, or death; or James McKenzie's death records. Any help on tracing this family would be most welcome.

Hello Joan Can you just confirm the first name of the Robertson bridegroom who married into your Freelove family? Was it Donald? And what age was he? Trouble is ROBERTSON is such a commonly found name in Scotland. There were 10 William G Robertsons whose births were registered in Scotland between 1868 and 1872 - but none with the middle name GORDON. The nearest is a William Gardine Robertson whose birth was registered in New or East Kilpatrick in Dumbartonshire in 1872. 'Your' William may have added the middle name when he became a young man. It is probably a 'family' name; perhaps his mother's maiden surname. However, I think I may have found William (the one in the 1911 census) in the 1891 Scottish Census. He is 20 and born in Garmouth, Moray; and his occupation is "Clerk, Mercantile Office". He was living at Laburnum Cottage, Garmouth with his mother Ann, a sick nurse aged 41, and his sisters Mary Ann, 14, and Helen, 12. His mother had a lodger, Marian Henderson, a 21 years old school teacher born in Blair Atholl, Perthshire. No sign of a father. This information is from the 1891 Census on Ancestry and unfortunately they don't have the images of the Scottish censuses. The Scottish register office held on to those, recognising a good source of income when they saw one! You can view the original census on the Scotlands People website at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It is a pay site. Minimum charge is £6 for 30 credits and you would use up 5 of those credits to search for, and then view/download, the image of William's entry in the census. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan" <jmmj75@talktalk.net> To: <MORAY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: [MORAY] William Gordon ROBERTSON born abt 1870 > Looking to connect with family of a ROBERTSON man who married into my > FREELOVE line in 1904, in Plumstead, Woolwich, Kent. I have little to go > on except he states in Census that he is born Scotland. The reason why I > appeal on this list for help and guidance is: > > Appearing on the English 1901C living at 6 Witherington Road, Islington. > RG13 pc 202. are: > > 1. ROBERTSON, William G Head Married M 30 1871 Commercial Clerk Scotland > ROBERTSON, Jessie E Wife Married F 27 1874 Scotland. > > I'm reasonably confident family no 1 appear in the 1911C with the added > info of pob for William Gordon ROBERTSON as Garmouth, Elgin (Moray). >