Anne We are catching up on Dad's email and found your comments. Thank you for your kind message. The George Watt Family > From: anne.burgess@btinternet.com > To: moray@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:04:02 +0000 > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Death Announcement > > > I don't know if you heard that my mentor George Watt of Ottawa > > sadly passed > > away last week. > > He will be missed. > > Indeed he will. That is very sad news. If I knew how, I would > like to send condolences to his family. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959

Thank you for your kind comments about George. The George Watt family. > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:09:42 -0600 > From: ramp@uleth.ca > To: moray@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MORAY] George Watt > > While I never met George Watt face-to-face, he quietly gave me > immeasurable help with my searches. > > Like the late and lamented Stuart Mitchell, George had a deep and > encyclopedic knowledge, not only of the families, but also of their > context: the local history, society, geography and religion of > Glenlivet, Inveravon, the Cabrach, Mortlach and Aberlour. > > He was a living link to the auld fowk an thair weys. He will be missed > by many. > > William in Alberta, Canada > > > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:24:19 -0400 > > From: Gramps<w.innes@videotron.ca> > > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Death Announcement > > > > I don't know if you heard that my mentor George Watt of Ottawa sadly passed > > away last week. > > He will be missed. > > > > William in Montreal > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Live connected with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712958

Thank you so much Anne, sorry for the late thank you but I had filed your reply to my question & forgot to thank you then. I did find Sandymoss on the NLS Ordance Survey Historical Mapping 1840-80 map. It is close to College of Roseisle and Buthill and Charlestown. I am not sure how to read all the details on these maps but they are very interesting. I do have another query. I have not been able to find out much about my grandmother's side of the family, BARTLETTs and JEFFREYs. My great-grandfather was John BARTLETT born 1846, possibly in Burghead but not sure. There are some Bartletts in Banff area but have found no family info on John anywhere. He was a salmonfisherman and drowned off coast of Burghead, Moray on 14 Feb 1894. He had served as Bombardier in Royal Artillery but not sure what years. I don't know how to look up his military history, I've tried but got nowhere. His wife, my great-grandmother, was Jane JEFFREY born 1852 in Burghead and she died 16 Apr 1917 in Burghead. They married 01 Dec 1876 in Duffus and according to death notice, they had 7 children. All this info came from LIBINDEX death notices. I have not been able to find out any more about the Jeffrey's either. My grandmother was Elizabeth Bartlett dob 1886 and 1901 Scottish census shows her living with her widowed mother Jane and siblings Barbara, John and Alexander at # 1 Station Street, Burghead. I do not know the other children's names. I have found the birth notice for my grandmother Elizabeth but not for any other members of the family. Elizabeth emigrated from Scotland to Canada in 1906. I haven't found any marriage for my grandmother Elizabeth and James Laing either. Any help would be very appreciated. This family search is like a large snowball, family just keeps getting larger and larger--its fascinating. I thought I would just be satisfied knowing where my grandparents came from, etc but now I can't stop just there. Like a child in a candy store, I just want more and more--only information, dates and facts instead of candy. Thanks again Faye from Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <moray-request@rootsweb.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 33 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Laing at Sandymoss (Anne Burgess) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:34:19 -0000 > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Laing at Sandymoss > To: <moray@rootsweb.com>, <moray-request@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D0506612F4934EDEBF9135AA946FC531@anneb> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > >> I am looking for Sandymoss, which I think is in Duffus area. >> I cannot find it on any > map. >> My great-great grandfather John Laing 1796 lived or was born >> at Sandymoss. I >> don't know if this was a place or a farm. > I think a farm is also a type of place <g> but there certainly > isn't a hamlet or village called Sandymoss. > > The 1841 census lists Sandy Moss in Enumeration District No 8, > and your Laings are the only household at this address (unless > Standmoss, a few pages earlier, is the same place with a > different version of the name). > > Other places listed in the same district are *College of > Roseisle, *Buthill, *Burntland, Williamsaugh, *Eastertown, > Starwood, Woodside, Standmoss, *Longhillock, *Kirkhill, > *Inskeil, *Northfield, *Standing Stone, Rosevally, *Wards, and > *Newton. All those marked * (with a few spelling variations) are > either on the modern 1:25,000 map or listed in the current post > code directory. > > There were two households at Sandymoss in 1881, and the other > places listed in 1881 are much the same as in 1841. > > So it seems clear enough that Sandymoss was somewhere west of > the road from Newton to Burghead and south of the road from > Roseisle to Kinloss. If the 1841 enumerator listed the addresses > is some sort of logical order, which he doesn't seem to have > done, it would be closer to Newton. If the 1881 enumerator did > so, Sandymoss would have been closer to Buthill and Wards. > Either way, you can narrow it down to an area of a few square > miles. > > I had a look on www.old-maps.co.uk but did not find anywhere > marked as Sandymoss on the 1873 six-inch map. With just one > household in 1841, and two in 1881, it was probably too small to > justify being named on the map. > > LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp does not > list Sandymoss (or Sandy Moss). > > The only other possible line of investigation I can think of is > to see if Sandymoss is listed in a valuation roll in the late > 1800s, find out who owned it, and see whether there is an estate > archive somewhere which might mention it. > > Hope this helps. > > Anne > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > MORAY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to MORAY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 33 > ************************************

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thistle51 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2381/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to locate the dates of deaths of George Lobban b 1778 in Rothiemay also parents Alexander Lobban & Isobel Leslie , also would like to know if this is the same George that married Elspet Skene in 1797 in Old Machar Aberdeen . Many Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Anne. Thanks for replying to my queery but realize that this was for Aberdeen and not Moray site. To answe your question I have now found that John jr and Maggie were Janet Harper's ( Innes ) children. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <moray@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ABERDEEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Harper >> The 1901 Census and after the death of Janet on the 24 >> Jan.1898 shows that John > Harper lived at 44 Holburn Road in >> Aberdeen and had remarried. I was able to >> confirm that the following children; Catherine age 8 and Jane >> Ann age 6 were Jane > Innesses children. There are two more >> children shown: John Harper age 5 and >> Maggie J Harper age 3 but was unable to find extracts for >> them. > > My immediate thought is that John Jr and Maggie are probably > John Sr's stepchildren. What was his second wife's maiden > surname? Have you looked for the children under that surname? > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hello Liza, I have this Kenneth Leal, born Crookmuir, Parish of Duffus bapt. 16th October 1729 on my tree. He was the only child of Kenneth Leal snr. by his first wife Elspet Kissack. However I'm afraid it's not a romantic picture of a Highwayman holding up a Stagecoach at pistol point that you have here. That night the Northern Mail was actually being carried on foot by a runner, a 14 year old boy named John Smith and although Kenneth got the satchel he was carrying the boy escaped and Kenneth was caught when he tried to cash a Bill of Exchange that was in the haul. As a Messenger-at-Arms in Elgin he had known that that night's post would contain money and as he was heavily in debt he planned the robbery, only to be caught, tried and hung in chains at the spot still called Kennieshillock near Urquhart. This can be found on the present day Ordnance Survey map. I have a lot more information on his family which will have to be sent to you as an attachment. Regards, Alastair MacDonald

HiHas anyone done the family tree for Kenneth Leal, born 1729-married Helen James, Duffus with about 9 children, John, Kenneth (2) , James, Elspet (2)  Archibald, William, Alexander and executed 1773 for robbing the northern mail stagecoach?ThanksLiz __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.

Thank you Jo-Ann. The mix-up was in the name change. William ----- Original Message ----- From: <jecroft@att.net> To: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com>; <moray@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Harper > http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk had only a single birth for a Maggie > J[essie] HARPER in 1898 in St Machar, Aberdeen. > > The index shows Maggie Jessie, but the register has the birth name as > Betsy Scott HARPER b 16 Jan 1898 with an RCE and the birth was recorded on > 25 Jan 1898. The parents are John HARPER and Janet INNES who is shown as > deceased - married 8 Jan 1892 in Old Machar. > > There are three possibilities in 1895-1896 for the birth of John. > > -- > Jo-Ann Croft > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk had only a single birth for a Maggie J[essie] HARPER in 1898 in St Machar, Aberdeen. The index shows Maggie Jessie, but the register has the birth name as Betsy Scott HARPER b 16 Jan 1898 with an RCE and the birth was recorded on 25 Jan 1898. The parents are John HARPER and Janet INNES who is shown as deceased - married 8 Jan 1892 in Old Machar. There are three possibilities in 1895-1896 for the birth of John. -- Jo-Ann Croft

> The 1901 Census and after the death of Janet on the 24 > Jan.1898 shows that John > Harper lived at 44 Holburn Road in > Aberdeen and had remarried. I was able to > confirm that the following children; Catherine age 8 and Jane > Ann age 6 were Jane > Innesses children. There are two more > children shown: John Harper age 5 and > Maggie J Harper age 3 but was unable to find extracts for > them. My immediate thought is that John Jr and Maggie are probably John Sr's stepchildren. What was his second wife's maiden surname? Have you looked for the children under that surname? Anne

Hi to all I am trying to locate the dates of deaths of George Lobban b 1778 in Rothiemay also parents Alexander Lobban & Isobel Leslie , also would like to know if this is the same George that married Elspet Skene in 1797 in Old Machar Aberdeen . Many Thanks Liz

Hi everyone. Only yesterday I was able to locate the family of Janet Innes who married John Harper on the 8 Jan.1892 in Aberdeen. Jane was the 1st. born of William Innes and Margaret Shaw and they lived at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet, Banff. The 1901 Census and after the death of Janet on the 24 Jan.1898 shows that John Harper lived at 44 Holburn Road in Aberdeen and had remarried. I was able to confirm that the following children; Catherine age 8 and Jane Ann age 6 were Jane Innesses children. There are two more children shown: John Harper age 5 and Maggie J Harper age 3 but was unable to find extracts for them. The place of residence for the two children of Jane was at 10 Fish Street in Aberdeen. As I mentioned Jane died on the 24 Jan.1898 and was buried in the Nellfield Cemetery in Aberdeen. Would love to know if John and Maggie J Harper were Jane's children and also if she had a cemetery plot in the Nellfield cemetery and who might have been buried in that same plot. William

Hi Goldie, Thank you for mentioning it - it's all grist for the mill, as they say. You are going to have to tell me who is this Ann GARROW. I've looked through my Garrow info and don't have any Anns at all. When a new forename comes up it usually means a different family. I would, however, like the opportunity to either add or discard her from my Garrows. I have a George MILNE marrying Margaret GARROW in 1811, George being the son of Harry MILNE. This came to me from Jude McMillan in New Zealand, who has the children of George and Margaret and whom they married. Perhaps you already have this information, but thought I'd mention it. Have fun! Chris ----- Original Message from Goldie ----- Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-BANFFSHIRE] MURISON/GARROW > Ann Garrow married an Innes in Mortlach (Dufftown) as well. No rellie of > mine, but thought I'd mention it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Duff"> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:06 PM > Subject: [SCT-BANFFSHIRE] MURISON/GARROW >> I'm a MURISON on my mother's side. I have them going back >> to the parish of Gamrie in Banffshire in the 1700s and moving down the >> road to Alvah to run the smithy. They married into the GARROW family of >> Dufftown and a bunch of them decided to emigrate. I would also be happy to hear from anyone with connections to my MURISON and GARROW families. >> >> Chris Duff (in Canada since 1982) >>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Karendonald57 Surnames: ROSS BROWN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2380.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This is the Bio for Elizabeth Ross also from LIBINDX . Biography Details Reference No.: NM150564 Surname: ROSS Forename(s): ELIZABETH Maiden Name: ROSS Occupation: Date of Birth: c. OCT 1829 Place of Birth: Father's Name: SAMUEL ROSS COASTGUARD LOSSIEMOUTH( See NM260903) Mother's Name: JANE BROWN( See NM009714) Biography: Marriage Details Spouse's Name: Date of Marriage: Place of Marriage: Married by: Marriage Narrative: Death Details Date of Death: 10 APR 1831 Age: 1Y 6M Headstone Ref: Ki128 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is the Bio for Elizabeth Ross. from LIBINDX also. Biography Details Reference No.:  NM150564 Surname:  ROSS Forename(s):  ELIZABETH Maiden Name:  ROSS Occupation:   Date of Birth:  c. OCT 1829 Place of Birth:   Father's Name:  SAMUEL ROSS COASTGUARD LOSSIEMOUTH( See NM260903) Mother's Name:  JANE BROWN( See NM009714) Biography:   Marriage Details Spouse's Name:   Date of Marriage:   Place of Marriage:   Married by:   Marriage Narrative:   Death Details Date of Death:  10 APR 1831 Age:  1Y 6M Headstone Ref:  Ki128 Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. --- On Mon, 22/3/10, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MORAY] Fraser, James: 2 Sep 1848 Edinkillie, Moray/old photos To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 22 March, 2010, 15:59 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Karendonald57 Surnames: ROSS BROWN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2380.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh and here is another one. Could also be illegitmate. Biography Details Reference No.:      NM260903 Surname:      ROSS Forename(s):      SAMUEL Maiden Name:       Occupation:      CUSTOMS OFFICER & COASTGUARD & MERCHANT SEAMAN Date of Birth:      12 MAR 1790 Place of Birth:      DRUMBO COUNTY DOWN IRELAND Father's Name:       Mother's Name:       Biography:       Marriage Details Spouse's Name:      JANE BROWN Date of Marriage:       Place of Marriage:       Married by:       Marriage Narrative:      PARENTS OF ELIZABETH Death Details Date of Death:       Age:       Headstone Ref:       Place of Death:       Parish Register:       Death Narrative:       Newspaper Articles Newspaper     Description     Date     Page/Column Miscellaneous Articles Date     Description Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Karendonald57 Surnames: ROSS BROWN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2380.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oh and here is another one. Could also be illegitmate. Biography Details Reference No.: NM260903 Surname: ROSS Forename(s): SAMUEL Maiden Name: Occupation: CUSTOMS OFFICER & COASTGUARD & MERCHANT SEAMAN Date of Birth: 12 MAR 1790 Place of Birth: DRUMBO COUNTY DOWN IRELAND Father's Name: Mother's Name: Biography: Marriage Details Spouse's Name: JANE BROWN Date of Marriage: Place of Marriage: Married by: Marriage Narrative: PARENTS OF ELIZABETH Death Details Date of Death: Age: Headstone Ref: Place of Death: Parish Register: Death Narrative: Newspaper Articles Newspaper Description Date Page/Column Miscellaneous Articles Date Description Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Karendonald57 Surnames: FRASER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2380.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 1851 Scotland Census about James Fraser Name: James Fraser Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship: Son Father's Name: Peter Mother's Name: Isabella Gender: Male Where born: Edinkillie, Morayshire Parish Number: 134 Civil parish: Edinkillie County: Moray Address: Ditch Logie ED: 5 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 14 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1851_31 Household Members: Name Age Peter Fraser 27 Isabella Fraser 26 James Fraser 2 David Fraser 2 Cathorene Cumming 18 1871 Scotland Census about James Fraser Name: James Fraser Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Edinkillie, Morayshire Registration Number: 140 Registration district: Rafford Civil parish: Rafford County: Moray Address: Milton Cottage Occupation: Underkeeper ED: 1 Household schedule number: 23 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1871_26 Household Members: Name Age Alex McLoy 53 Mary McLoy 54 Isabela McLoy 15 Richd McLoy 12 Thos McLoy 9 James Fraser 22 1891 Scotland Census about James Fraser Name: James Fraser Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Isabella Gender: Male Where born: Morayshire Registration Number: 367 Registration district: Kinloch Rannoch Civil parish: Logierait County: Perthshire Address: Lochgarry Cottage Occupation: Gamekeeper Dom ED: 1 Household schedule number: 28 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1891_113 Household Members: Name Age James Fraser 42 Isabella Fraser Wife 34 b Morayshire Mary Fraser Daur Scholar 10 b Argyllshire Isabella Fraser Daur Scholar 8 b Argyllshire Alexander Fraser Son Scholar 6 b Rannoch, Perthshire Catherine Fraser Daur 3 b Rannoch, Perthshire Richard Fraser Son 1 b Rannoch, Perthshire Susan Anderson Serv 15 b Rannoch, Perthshire 1901 Scotland Census about James Fraser Name: James Fraser Age: 52 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Isabella Gender: Male Where born: Edinkillie, Morayshire Registration Number: 511 Registration district: Glassary Civil parish: Glassary County: Argyll Address: Add Cottage Occupation: Gamekeeper ED: 1 Household schedule number: 35 Line: 19 Roll: CSSCT1901_179 Household Members: Name Age James Fraser 52 Isabella Fraser Wife 45 b Rafford, Morayshire Richard Fraser Son Scholar 11 b Fortingal, Perthshire Jane Fraser Daur Scholar 8 b Fortingal, Perthshire Agnes A Fraser Daur Scholar 6 b Glassary, Argyllshire Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Karendonald57 Surnames: ROSS FRASER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2380.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Found on LIBINDX the free Moray Council Genealogy website is the following.I suggest looking up for the illegitimate child also. Biography Details Reference No.: NM133084 Surname: ROSS Forename(s): SAMUEL Maiden Name: Occupation: CUSTOMS OFFICER & COASTGUARD & MERCHANT SEAMAN Date of Birth: 12 MAR 1790 Place of Birth: DRUMBO COUNTY DOWN IRELAND Father's Name: Mother's Name: Biography: WORKED AT LOSSIEMOUTH Marriage Details Spouse's Name: AGNES "NANCY" MENZIES Date of Marriage: Place of Marriage: Married by: Marriage Narrative: PARENTS OF ANDREW & SAMUEL & ELEANOR & ISABELLA & JANE & AGNES Death Details Date of Death: Age: Headstone Ref: Place of Death: Parish Register: Death Narrative: Newspaper Articles Newspaper Description Date Page/Column Miscellaneous Articles Date Description Miscellaneous 1830 baptism of daughter - MF A EL5 1837 baptism of son Andrew - MF A EL5 1843 baptism of son Samuel - MF A EL5 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rangismith Surnames: FRASER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2380.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Many thanks for the info on the various Margaret FRASERs. Regards Peter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.