This is a correction. My blog on the Google site is http://innesgenealogy.blogspot.com . Sorry for the inconvenience. William

Hi everyone. Many of you know that I have been researching my Innes roots in Inveravon and Kirkmichael, Banff, Scotland. I have now started two Blogs on my roots and they are: http://innesgenealogy.com with Google and http://wjgigenealogy.spaces.live.com with Microsoft on their Window's Live site. Where possible, I have shown photographs of my ancestors and I am, every day, adding additional information as well as pictures. If you feel that you have additional information let me know. Thanks everyone William in Montreal

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: patthepiper Surnames: DUNBAR, TOUGH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/111.318/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bear with me please; I am working through this thread and may post more than one reply. William DUNBAR = Jane TOUGH. Jane born 10 June 1870, Eastertown Cairney, Boharm, Morayshire, married 31 Jan 1861 Boharm. Refer libindex.moray.gov.uk I would welcome direct email contact via [dunbar@one-name.org] with anyone researching this Dunbar line. Pat Dunbar Organiser Dunbar Family Society Researching Dunbar, worldwide, any time frame Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Woodybird2903 Surnames: Tough, Dunbar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/111.317.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for that information. That confirms I had the right family as we knew Peter Tough the son was a tailor. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Forfarian Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/111.317.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For a time from the mid-18th century until the restoration of the traditional name in 1929, the county of Moray was officially known as Elginshire or the County of Elgin (but never, never 'County Elgin' or 'Elgin County', both of which are incorrect.). There isn't a place in Moray named Borham; this has to be Boharm. The 1881 census lists a family at Inchberry, (parish of) Rothes, Moray a family consisting of Peter Tough, salmon fisher, aged 44, born Huntly, Aberdeenshire; his wife Joan McArthur Tough, aged 47, born Ardchlach (this is a misspelling of Ardclach), County of Nairn; and children including Peter, aged 19, tailor journeyman, born Boharm and Jane, aged 11, also born Boharm. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Liz, what are you not sure about? Per marriage and death registers, Helen NICOL is d/o Alexander NICOL & Grace CAGDER (given as BADGER or even MADGER upon her death - the writing in the register isn't clear). She is the mother of John Lobban GEDDES (h/o Helen FORSYTH). BTW, it's GEDDES not GEDDAS! Howard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Woodybird2903 Surnames: Tough, Dunbar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/111.317/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Iam interested in the Jane Tough who married William Dunbar as I think my cousin is descended from her brother Peter.He said he was born Eglinshire which I gather is Moray and the only one that fits is a Peter said to be born 1862 in Borham, Morayshire. Ours married in the USA to Olive Dougherty then came to New Zealand. It is funny I can not find him on the census as he never left until 1887 so should be on the earlier censuses, 1881, and before. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> I have found on Libindex reference to Thomas Scott Laird of > Milleny who had sons > named JOHN, THOMAS, ANDREW and GEORGE all who were alive in > 1730. > I was wondering if any one might know were Milleny might be? It seems a bit strange, given that your source is a sasine indexed in Moray, but I am going to stick my neck out and suggest that it is Malleny, which is in Balerno, just outside Edinburgh in the county of Midlothian. The first Laird of Malleny was John Scott, and he was succeeded in 1709 by his son Thomas, 2nd Laird. Thomas was succeeded by his son John. Try googling for Scott Malleny, and see what you think. Malleny House is now in the hands of the National Trust for Scotland, and the gardens are open to the public. Hope this helps. Anne

Hi, I have found on Libindex reference to Thomas Scott Laird of Milleny who had sons named JOHN, THOMAS, ANDREW and GEORGE all who were alive in 1730. I was wondering if any one might know were Milleny might be? regards Graham

Howard Not sure about Helen Nicol and John Geddas , Have a Helen Nicol b aft 1901 dau of James Sandison Nicol & Elspet Lobban, could be her. Sorry got my dates mixed up for Helen Forsyth , its hard to keep tract at times. Liz -----Original Message----- From: moray-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:moray-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Howard Geddes Sent: 28 March 2010 09:57 To: moray@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Lobban > A Headstone in Banff Cemetery records a John Lobban Geddes, > Fernlea, Banff, who died 3rd April 1971, the spouse of Helen Forsyth who > died on 15 March 195I wonder if this is the same John Geddas you mention > as > son of Peter & Isobel. Liz, yes. But the 1951 date cannot be correct because they didn't even marry until 1955. The date I have for Helen Forsyth is 18 Feb 1995. Here's another: "In loving memory of John Geddes Monumental Sculptor Banff died 8-5-1933. Also of his wife Helen Nicol died at Fernlee 14-7-1959. And their eldest son Peter died 6-5-1983. Also his wife Kathleen Ethel Mair died 28-4-1982." - MI in Banff New Cemetery Howard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> A Headstone in Banff Cemetery records a John Lobban Geddes, > Fernlea, Banff, who died 3rd April 1971, the spouse of Helen Forsyth who > died on 15 March 195I wonder if this is the same John Geddas you mention > as > son of Peter & Isobel. Liz, yes. But the 1951 date cannot be correct because they didn't even marry until 1955. The date I have for Helen Forsyth is 18 Feb 1995. Here's another: "In loving memory of John Geddes Monumental Sculptor Banff died 8-5-1933. Also of his wife Helen Nicol died at Fernlee 14-7-1959. And their eldest son Peter died 6-5-1983. Also his wife Kathleen Ethel Mair died 28-4-1982." - MI in Banff New Cemetery Howard

Howard Thanks for that especially the bit on John Geddas as I have ref to a John Geddas:- A Headstone in Banff Cemetery records a John Lobban Geddes, Fernlea, Banff, who died 3rd April 1971, the spouse of Helen Forsyth who died on 15 March 195I wonder if this is the same John Geddas you mention as son of Peter & Isobel. Liz From: moray-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:moray-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Howard Geddes Sent: 26 March 2010 19:09 To: moray@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Lobban Liz, <<the same George that married Elspet Skene>> I don't know but there is a distinct possibility. (I) The IGI shows: JAMES LOBBAN Christening: 01 JAN 1806 Marnoch, Banff Parents: GEORGE LOBBAN ELSPET SKENE C111612. (II) George LOBBAN who died Nov 1878 Marnoch was h/o Isobel JOSS (MI in Marnoch Kirkyard). I have him down as s/o George LOBBAN & Elspet SKENE, apparently from his death registration, although I noted this such a long time ago so should be (re)verified. Isobel LOBBAN (d/o George LOBBAN & Isobel JOSS) marr Peter GEDDES in 1862; they went to Boddam where most of the family became quarry workers. A son, John GEDDES, eventually returned to Banff and set up the Monumental Sculptors 'Geddes & Walker' which is still operating today albeit under a different name. Hope this helps. Howard Geddes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read with all messages with much interest. Just wish someone would mention a Campbell !! I sent this email to my friend Malcolm Lobban (Malky) here in South Australia (Clan MacFarlane Australian President) who I thought would be interested and here is his reply. I wish all you dedicated people success - you are doing an amazing job. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lobban" <nabbol@optusnet.com.au> To: "jan mullighan" <mumsie@picknowl.com.au> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Loban/Lobban > Dear Mumsie, > > I have begun researching these Lobbans via the IGI, and have traced them > okay, that is, recognised the family concerned, but do not have info as to > when George Lobban died and if he is the same one who married Elspet > Skene. Also, there are two entries in the IGI for the parents' marriage, > one of which is under the old spelling 'Loban' showing different dates. I > suppose you can pass on this info while I do further research. > > Hope this finds you well. . .Malcolm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jan mullighan" <mumsie@picknowl.com.au> > To: "malcolm lobban" <nabbol@optusnet.com.au> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:12 PM > Subject: Fw: [MORAY] Loban/Lobban > > >> Malky, do you want me to send these emails? >> Mumsie. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:36 PM >> Subject: [MORAY] Loban/Lobban >> >> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: thistle51 >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2381/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> I am trying to locate the dates of deaths of George Lobban b 1778 in >>> Rothiemay also parents Alexander Lobban & Isobel Leslie , also would >>> like >>> to know if this is the same George that married Elspet Skene in 1797 in >>> Old Machar Aberdeen . >>> Many Thanks >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >>> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >>> above and respond on the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2760 - Release Date: 03/20/10 > 19:33:00 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlanROBINSON33 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/514.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Sue, Thanks for the prompt reply. The direct answer to your query is that I have not discovered any additional information about the Robinsons. But I am still looking when time is available. We have been busy with touring and at present we are caring for grandchildren while their parents are off riding their bikes. Great to hear from you again. Best wishes, Alan. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: medal53 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/514.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi Alan, this is sue brown - we comunicated through genes re-united. have you got any further with your hunt of robinsons through the male line? i've done nothing more on this side for a while - i've been looking at my paternal side for a change! best wishes sue Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you so much again Anne. I have used Scotland's people before and will have to update my account with them to add some credits. Faye

Liz, <<the same George that married Elspet Skene>> I don't know but there is a distinct possibility. (I) The IGI shows: JAMES LOBBAN Christening: 01 JAN 1806 Marnoch, Banff Parents: GEORGE LOBBAN ELSPET SKENE C111612. (II) George LOBBAN who died Nov 1878 Marnoch was h/o Isobel JOSS (MI in Marnoch Kirkyard). I have him down as s/o George LOBBAN & Elspet SKENE, apparently from his death registration, although I noted this such a long time ago so should be (re)verified. Isobel LOBBAN (d/o George LOBBAN & Isobel JOSS) marr Peter GEDDES in 1862; they went to Boddam where most of the family became quarry workers. A son, John GEDDES, eventually returned to Banff and set up the Monumental Sculptors 'Geddes & Walker' which is still operating today albeit under a different name. Hope this helps. Howard Geddes

> I have begun researching these Lobbans via the IGI, and have > traced them > okay, that is, recognised the family concerned, but do not > have info as to > when George Lobban died and if he is the same one who married > Elspet > Skene. Also, there are two entries in the IGI for the parents' > marriage, > one of which is under the old spelling 'Loban' showing > different dates. I > suppose you can pass on this info while I do further research. I wouldn't read anything into the two entries in the IGI. It looks as if the parish clerk in Rothiemay has just forgotten that he has already recorded tha proclamation of banns, and has written it down again. A look at the original records will clarify that. On the subject of listings in IGI, which is an absolutely wonderful finding aid, it may help to know that when a couple intending to marry lived in different parishes, their banns had to be proclaimed in both. The parish registers principally record the proclamation of banns, though many do also note the actual date of the marriage. So it isn't uncommon to find what one might otherwise think are two couple with the same names being married in two different parishes a few days apart. In fact is the the same couple's marriage being recorded in both their parishes of residence. Information in the IGI comes by two main routes. Some entries (and they are not primary 'records' despite what the titles say) are 'extracted' from parish registers. These are normally reliable, apart from the occasional transcription error, but they don't always give all the information in the original register, and not all parish registers have been completely 'extracted'. Other entries are 'submitted', and these can range from information which is effectively as good as 'extracted' to information which is pure fantasy. (I once found the supposed birth dates of all the Norse gods on the IGI though I think they may have been removed as I cannot now find them again.) So please bear in mind that once you have found information in the IGI you should always plan to look at the original document from which the IGI information was taken, and regard any 'submitted' entries with scepticism until you have seen the original. HTH Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AlanROBINSON33 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/514.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I do not think I have contacted you before. If not I would be interested to learn of your knowledge of George Garden Robinson's family. Regards, Alan Robinson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> Thank you so much Anne, sorry for the late thank you but I > had filed your reply to my > question & forgot to thank you > then. I did find Sandymoss on the NLS Ordance > Survey Historical Mapping 1840-80 map. It is close to > College of Roseisle and > Buthill and Charlestown. I am not sure how to read all the > details on these maps but > they are very interesting. Excellent! I will have to have another look at the NLS map - I probably didn't cast the net far enough north and west. > I do have another query. I have not been able to find out > much about my > grandmother's side of the family, BARTLETTs and JEFFREYs. The 1881 census on CD lists at 4 Salmon HR Station, parish of Duffus John Bartlett, head, salmon fisher, aged 35, born Fyvie, Aberdeenshire with wife Jane, 29 born Burghead and daughter Jane, aged 2. The 1841 census at FreeCen lists at Bankhead, parish of Tarves a household including John Bartlett, aged 5, born Fyvie, with grandparents James Walker, 78, born Tarves and Barbara Walker, 71, born Methlick and their children Ann, 41, Patrick, 39 and William, 28, all born Tarves. This looks like the son of James Bartlett and Elspet Walker, who according to the International Genealogical Index was born in Fyvie on 9 December 1845 and baptised on 31 January 1846. James and Elspet were married at Fyvie on 17 December 1831. They also had Sarah, baptised 17 July 1834 James Walker, baptised 12 June 1836 Arthur, baptised 17 August 1838 John, baptised 13 February 1840 Elizabeth, baptised 31 May 1842 James Bartlet, 48, married, a shoemaker, born Fyvie, is at Woodhead, parish of Fyvie with daughters Sarah, 16 and Elizabeth, 8. James Bartlet, 14, is an errand boy on John Jamieson's farm at Treeroot, Millbrex. The first John presumably died young, and FreeCen doesn't list Elspet of Arthur. I suggest that you go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and invest in a few credits. Use these to find and view the image of the 1876 marriage certificate (6 credits). This will confirm the names of John's parents and tell you the names of Jane's parents. The items in LIBINDX aren't 'notices'. They are references to newspaper reports of the legal proceedings which followed the accidental death of John Bartlett. They probably won't tell you the names of all seven children - it will be more like 'he leaves a widow and seven of a family'. The online index at Scotland's People does not list the death of an Elspet Walker or Bartlet(t), so presumably she died before 1855, but it does list the death of a James Bartlet, aged 62, in Fyvie in 1863. His death certificate (cost 6 credits) should tell you the names of both his parents. A search for births, both sexes, in Moray from 1876 to 1895 finds 7 matches. If you look at the full index (cost 1 credit) it will list the names and years of birth of the 7 children. Broadly speaking military history is in the National Archives at Kew in London, England. I have been there once and did find some information, but I am no expert on finding things there and I can't really advise you. Try the National Archives web site for advice: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ All the foregoing, apart from the 1881 census information, was culled from one or other of the following web sites: (1) http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true (2) http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl (3) www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (4) http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp You might want to explore these web sites more thoroughly for yourself. Hope this helps Anne