James Younie, I think would also like me to invite his brother John, who served in the Indian Civil Service around Bengal during the 2nd World War. John would probably like the chance to chat to his brother and his two other sibblings, Annie and Helen. John would also bring his wife Dorothy Mitchell with him and his 4 children. I think George Younie and his wife Helen Riach would like to be in on the action too - why not it is Christmas and we can always find more space and food. I know John sent his wife and family back to Scotland from India when the war started. Little did she know that he would never come home. What was like in India in the 1930's and 40's. Did he meet other family members who had gone to India while he was there. But more to the point, where are you now ! In Calcutta somewhere, but where ? Would you still be having turkey and the trimmings in Calcutta for your Christmas meal. Were there many men alone at that time having sent their loved ones home. Did you all gather together, happy but sad in each others company ? Well for one day you can all be together, happy, warm and content, telling stories. Who did what, why and when and to whom. Children again, under the supervision of their parents- a happy family. And me watching on, quiet but taking mental notes while I serve the turkey, dish out the pudding and later when they have all gone, sit in a warm glow of contentment tinged with sadness - if only we could invite them for a chat and a meal, I would never let mine leave. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb

I would invite another of my relatives, this time a little on the distant relatives side - James Younie James being born in 1884 to George Younie and Helen Riach. In 1916 James was in the Somme region of France in rather undesirable conditions. I do hope that asking him for a meal over the holidays would make him an object of jealousy from his brothers in arms or, more to the point make him AWOL. I will have to send him back to the front with a 'doggy bag ' for his comrades. But, while he is with us I would send him for a hot relaxing bath to get the cold from his bones, give him a set of clean clothes (he may not like jeans ! ) while the washing machine sets too and removes the caked on mud from his uniform. The tumbler dryer may have a hard time coping the the trench coat, but at least he would be clean when he went back. As other members of my family served in Yorkshire regiments during WW1 it would be nice to see if the Scottish regiments compared better or worse being in a differant part of France. He would be interrogated in the most friendliest of ways and asked what would you be having for dinner if not AWOL. Are the photographs we see a true testiment to the trauma. I would then let him sleep, probably the first uninterupted sleep for many a night. His absence would probably be notice so off he would go in his clean and warm clothes and his 'doggy bag' back to his 'mates'. Note :- James was killed in action on 14 Oct 1916 and is remembered at the THIEPVAL MEMORIAL, France. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb James was the brother of John Younie who later served in the Indian Civil Service

Sorry, Rootsweb seems to be having an off day. Clicked reply and only went to Gavin. So here is my reply to the list. I wrote :- Chris, a search of multimap came up with Midmar Forest in Aberdeenshire. Are we talking Morayshire or unknown county ? NB please check the ' to' section of your email when replying to make sure the list gets a copy and not just the sender - as I have just done, ooops Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re:[MORAY] Midmar > Chris wrote: > > > ... > > I regret that I don't know where Midmar is, even after looking up my > > AA directory. > > A better place to look than the AA might be the GENUKI Gazetteer, > available via www.genuki.org.uk or any GENUKI County page, such as > www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/ > > Dave Anderson's Aberdeenshire pages, as above, will give you a clickable > parish map, and the GENUKI Gazetteer links into sites for both ancient and > modern maps. > > > Gavin Bell > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be > transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in > transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email > address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing > list Admin. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Chris wrote: > ... > I regret that I don't know where Midmar is, even after looking up my > AA directory. A better place to look than the AA might be the GENUKI Gazetteer, available via www.genuki.org.uk or any GENUKI County page, such as www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/ Dave Anderson's Aberdeenshire pages, as above, will give you a clickable parish map, and the GENUKI Gazetteer links into sites for both ancient and modern maps. Gavin Bell

I have a few Davidsons in my family tree as well, but haven't been able to connect all of them yet (if there is a connection) Jane Ann Taylor b. Jan 1, 1878 Inchbery married Peter Davidson b May 10, 1879 Rothes. Peter's parents were James Davidson Feb 24, 1850 Elgin & Catharine Gordon Nov 11, 1844 Cromdale and Inverallan, they were married Dec 24, 1874 Cromdale and Inverallen and Advie, Inverness. James Davidson's parents are William Davidson & Isabella Rattray/Shearer. I also have Jessie Davidson born about 1831 Elgin and married John MacKenzie Dec 16, 1853 in Elgin. Closest match for her parents might be Duncan Davidson & Janet Fraser. And last but not least, Robert Davidson married Helen MacWilliam 1869 Elgin. Robert's parents were Samuel Davidson and Margaret Watson. My great grandmother was working for Helen MacWilliam's mother, Elsie Mc William on the 1881 Census and I wondered if there might be a connection. Regards, Arleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rogers, Kathryn" <Kathryn.Rogers@originenergy.com.au> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [MORAY] RE: Davidson > We have a Mary Davidson from Cruden who married a Charles HAY and lived > in Midmar until her death. She had 6 children from memory (1 > illegitimate). Not sure if this helps. > > Kathryn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Ridings [mailto:tutu@atu.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 11:54 PM > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MORAY] RE: Davidson > > > I have DAVIDSON in Cruden, Aberdeenshire. > Is this anywhere need anyone's Davidsons? > > Chris Ridings > > -----Original Message----- > From: davidsonanl@lineone.net [mailto:davidsonanl@lineone.net] > Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 10:15 > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Message board > > Ian aked for an explanation of the difference between writting to a > Message Board and the Moray List. > > I may have missed the reply so could it be put on the List or sent > directly to me as I've never understoon this either. > > Alex Davidson > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be > transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in > transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email > address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing > list Admin. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have earlier asked for Scottish ancestors to Alexander and Robert Innes from Banff. Since then, I have gathered some more informations, and would be thankful for any information concerning the following Banff people: Robert Innes, dead 1782-12-28 His wife Margaret Gilchrist, dead 1786-01-22 From MI in Banff: "Robert Innes, town clerk of Banff, died 28th December, 1782, and Margaret Gilchrist, his spouse, died 22nd January, 1786, and both ly interred here." Their children Robert Innes, b. 1745, married to Georgina Eleonora, child Robert (b. 1792-07-15 in Gothenburg) Alexander Innes, b. 1748-03-07, d. 1818-01-30 in Gothenburg, Sweden. Married to Ulrika Dorotea Lundberg (d. 1828 in Gothenburg), children Margareta Ulrika (1801-03-30--1844-02-09), Sara Euphemia (1805-07-27--1884-12-05), Robert Alexander (b. 1809-12-02). William Innes, b. 1748-03-07, twin brother to Alex., staying in USA at the time for his brothers dead. Margaret Innes, married to William Reid, with children James (d. 1813-03-17 in Gothenburg), Margaret, Euphemia, and Robert. Any information concerning the ancestors of this family or further facts about the children of Margaret and Robert is interesting to me. My wife is the 7th generation to Margaret Gilchrist and Robert Innes. Best regards and thank you in advance, Kaj Andersson Gothenburg, Sweden

We have a Mary Davidson from Cruden who married a Charles HAY and lived in Midmar until her death. She had 6 children from memory (1 illegitimate). Not sure if this helps. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ridings [mailto:tutu@atu.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 11:54 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] RE: Davidson I have DAVIDSON in Cruden, Aberdeenshire. Is this anywhere need anyone's Davidsons? Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: davidsonanl@lineone.net [mailto:davidsonanl@lineone.net] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 10:15 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Message board Ian aked for an explanation of the difference between writting to a Message Board and the Moray List. I may have missed the reply so could it be put on the List or sent directly to me as I've never understoon this either. Alex Davidson ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Dear Ray and all other listers, This has already been done . Can I remind all listers that if you go away for a period of time, you do not always have to unsubscribe but please do NOT set up an automated reply as this not only goes the 500+ members of the list each time a message is sent but that the automated reply is archived. I, as Admin, cope with all the bounces due to full mail boxes etc , that is what I am here for, but please no automated replies. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Krista Mann/Milwaukee/RA/Rockwell is out of the office. > Carol > > Please could you Unsubscribe Krista Mann before we are all swamped by > masses of her cyclical "I will be out of the office..." auto-responses? > > I hope no-one else who uses office e-mail for private work does this at > Christmas. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krista Mann" <kmann@ra.rockwell.com> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: [MORAY] Krista Mann/Milwaukee/RA/Rockwell is out of the office. > > >>I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return until >> 01/03/2005. >> >> I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than >> likely wait to respond to your message when I return. >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted >> message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the >> sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you >> ;-) >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Kaj, George SMITH (1737-1790) came from Fordyce, son of James Smith and Elspet Ferguson, and was a successful merchant, and eventually willed several bursaries to Fordyce Academy, which, as I recall, were to be used for the education for anyone with the name of Smith in Sweden. I may not have got the precise wording and conditions, but that's the gist, strange though it might be at first sight. I've hunted around my notes but I've misplaced (hopefully temporarily) most of the details about the 'George Smith Bounty'. Certainly, his elder sister Jean or Jane Smith (b 1734) went to Sweden. There is a booklet: "An Historic Outline of the George Smith Bounty (Fordyce Academy)" by Dr AA Cormack, Aberdeen 1952. And "The Schools and Schoolmasters of Banffshire" by William Barclay 1925 gives more details about the bursaries, but not about the Swedish connection. And there's a whole book about the history of Fordyce Academy. In the very early days, the schoolmaster was John Innes who was 'deposed' in 1656 after being accused of slander and drunkeness at a baptism. I obtained this info when researching my gt-gt-gdmother Margaret SMITH (1816-1921). I'm sorry I cannot be more specific but at least that's another Swedish connection around the same time as yours. Howard Geddes

Carol Please could you Unsubscribe Krista Mann before we are all swamped by masses of her cyclical "I will be out of the office..." auto-responses? I hope no-one else who uses office e-mail for private work does this at Christmas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krista Mann" <kmann@ra.rockwell.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:28 AM Subject: [MORAY] Krista Mann/Milwaukee/RA/Rockwell is out of the office. >I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return >until > 01/03/2005. > > I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than > likely wait to respond to your message when I return. > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a > posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not > just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All > " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

> I regret that I don't know where Midmar is, even after looking up my AA > directory. If you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for it, all will be revealed. Use the large map facility at the foot of the image to zoom in. Anne

My outlaw-great-grandmother was Catherine LESLIE (b1849, Cruden, Abd), daughter of Isabella (n LOW) & James DAVIDSON (bap 19 Oct 1811, Cruden - d29 Dec 1889), son of Ann (n UDNY) & James DAVIDSON. Would you know when your Mary DAVIDSON was born? I have HAY in Cullen, Ban, 1802 on a separate line. I regret that I don't know where Midmar is, even after looking up my AA directory. Having children from memory would be quite a feat. Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: Rogers, Kathryn [mailto:Kathryn.Rogers@originenergy.com.au] Sent: Friday, 17 December 2004 11:57 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MORAY] RE: Davidson We have a Mary Davidson from Cruden who married a Charles HAY and lived in Midmar until her death. She had 6 children from memory (1 illegitimate). Not sure if this helps. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ridings [mailto:tutu@atu.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 11:54 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] RE: Davidson I have DAVIDSON in Cruden, Aberdeenshire. Is this anywhere need anyone's Davidsons? Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: davidsonanl@lineone.net [mailto:davidsonanl@lineone.net] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 10:15 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Message board Ian aked for an explanation of the difference between writting to a Message Board and the Moray List. I may have missed the reply so could it be put on the List or sent directly to me as I've never understoon this either. Alex Davidson ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return until 01/03/2005. I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than likely wait to respond to your message when I return.

I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return until 01/03/2005. I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than likely wait to respond to your message when I return.

I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return until 01/03/2005. I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than likely wait to respond to your message when I return.

I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return until 01/03/2005. I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than likely wait to respond to your message when I return.

I will be out of the office starting 12/17/2004 and will not return until 01/03/2005. I will be checking e-mails and audixes periodically but will more than likely wait to respond to your message when I return.

I have DAVIDSON in Cruden, Aberdeenshire. Is this anywhere need anyone's Davidsons? Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: davidsonanl@lineone.net [mailto:davidsonanl@lineone.net] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 10:15 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Message board Ian aked for an explanation of the difference between writting to a Message Board and the Moray List. I may have missed the reply so could it be put on the List or sent directly to me as I've never understoon this either. Alex Davidson

I read somewhere - but my memory isn't so good although I think it must have been in George Bain's History of Nairnshire - that one of the 18th century worthies in Nairn (who was it??) had started some industry with the Scandinavian countries (coal? Wood? Paper?). Try and read History of Nairnshire. Best wishes, Jane Kaj, I would be very interested to see what information you get regarding INNES. My INNES connection is from Banffshire - John Innes who married a Sarah WELSTED or NEILSTED. We know of at least 1 daughter Helen who was born approximately 1810 and that she eventually moved to Knockando, Moray. Cheers, Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: Kaj Andersson [mailto:kaj.andersson@kajan.com] Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2004 6:50 AM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] Clan Innes to west Sweden The two brothers Robert and Alexander Innes arrives to Gothenburg, Sweden, some time before 1769, from Banffshire. They´ve already got a half brother John Tarras in Gothenburg on their mothers side, earlier married to a merchant Tarras who died early, whereafter the widow married a Robert Innes. John Tarras was probably born in Banff 1732, and arrived to Gothenburg around 1758. Some years later the two brothers Robert and Alexander Innes arrived to Sweden. Some source claims that Robert was born 1745, my own research indicates that Alexander was born 1763. Robert is one of 20 men, many Scots, who founded the Royal Bachelors Club in Gothenburg. Robert has signed the charter in november 1769. This indicates that their arrival in Sweden should be approx. 1764-1768. During these years, Sweden was ruled by Gustaf III, who actually banned this kind of private clubs by the law. However, the 20 men convinced the King and they were allowed to found it. Still today, this Royal Bachelors Club has the swedish King as a superior member. Is there anyone in Moray or Banffshire, familiar with the clan of Innes, who can help me find the link between Scotland and Sweden? Who were the parents of Robert and Alexander Innes? If my clues are correct his first name should be Robert. Unfortunately, I havent been able to find a possible Robert Innes in Banffshire. Regards, Kaj Andersson Gothenburg, Sweden ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ______________________________

There seems to be a lot of confusion as I had posted my replies to the questions off list. The new message board has nothing to do with Rootsweb and is an addition to the website that I have so that none Rootsweb listers can view and post messages and therefore, there is no cross messaging from these messages to this list. I am admin to other mailing lists and have website noticeboards for some of them. They work well, some listers do not wish to leave a message or notice there, while other mailing listers do post often - hoping to catch a connection with a none Rootsweb list subscriber or none Rootsweb message board contributor. You would be surprised how many people have still not heard of Rootsweb but do pick up the Moray section of my site on search engines (even though the Rootsweb link is prominent) Would it be less confusing if it was called a noticeboard or a pinboard, as you leave notes and messages on either. The whole idea of me setting the 'noticeboard' up was for the benefit of others and the message to the list was to inform you all of another available option and was in no way suggesting that you used one or the other. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb ps messages posted to this list do not appear on the sister messageboard but messages on the board do appear automatically on this list and replies do not show up on the noticeboard only through the list system. You reply via the link supplied on the email, the messageboard will get your reply and so will the mailing list. So it is handy to keep visiting both the board and the archives of the list - occasionally ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Watt" <gwatt30@hotmail.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:28 PM Subject: Re:[MORAY] List vs Board > Hi Gavin & et al, > Perhaps I am mistaken but I thought it was the other way around ?? I have > posted queries on various "Boards" where they remain indefinately. The > Board query is, as you have stated, copied to the List with a Link back to > the original board and is therefore made a available to all List & Digest > subscribers. If a response is posted on the List in reply to the original > Board query, it will not appear as Threaded to the query. > To respond to a query originally posted on a Board, it can only be > accomplished if it is Threaded to that Board Message and will remain > there indefinately. > > George in Ottawa. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > >>From: Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> >>Reply-To: g.bell@which.net, g.bell@which.net >>To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re:[MORAY] List vs Board >>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:56:22 +0000 >> >>Alex wrote: >> >> > Ian aked for an explanation of the difference between writting to a >> > Message Board and the Moray List. >> >> > I may have missed the reply so could it be put on the List or sent >> > directly to me as I've never understoon this either. >> >>If you subscribe to the List, you will be sent a copy of everything >>posted to the List and also (because the Listowner has set up a link) >>everything posted to the equivalent Board. >> >>But if you use the Board, you will not see ordinary messages posted to >>the List. >> >> >>Gavin Bell >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >>archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The >>archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established >>lister. >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > lister. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >