Jean wrote: > I have the following entry - "Dec. 6th, 1825 - John Main of this > Parish and Mary Finlay of the parish of Dyke being matrimonially > contracted since married". > This was extracted from the Nairn Parish Records. I have often > wondered what it all meant. A year or two back, I did spend some time looking at around 100 "marriages", in a range of parishes, and over a range of dates in the 18th and 19th centuries, to try and establish some patterns. What emerged was that, throughout the 18th century (and decreasingly in the 19th) the first stage in any marriage came even before the Proclamations. This was variously labelled, sometimes as a "contract", but more commonly as the "Consignation of Pledges". This meant that the loving couple either deposited a sum of money with the Session, or, if they were too poor, persuaded some friend or relation to do so on their behalf (he then became their "cautioner"). This deposit was to ensure their "performance and abstinence". "Performance" meant that the marriage actually had to take place, and "abstinence" meant that no children were to be born until 9 months after the ceremony. If both conditions were met, you could, in theory, get your money back, but you might have been subject to moral blackmail to convert the sum into a "gift" to the poor of the parish. > From what I now read in this list there > would have been a marriage contract of some sort In the light of what I have previously seen, I would interpret the "matrimonial contract" that you have found just such a "pledge of performance and abstinence", rather than as any sort of financial agreement. > and they were married, but where? in the Parish of Dyke? in the > Parish of Nairn? and would that have been earlier than > Dec. 6th, 1825? Where indeed? And When indeed? The entries in the "marriage" register frequently do not tell us. In fact, in the sample I had, fewer than half of the entries even referred to the marriage itself. The largest proportion of them (slightly more than a third) referred to one or other of the readings of the Proclamations. The others refrred to the Consignation of Pledges. > Are these marriage contracts searchable and if so, where? Not separately. As you have already discovered, they appear in the so-called "marriage" registers, and if you read what is actually in those, rather than rely on the IGI reference to them, you will find more such examples. The other place where you may find some reference to the Consignation of Pledges is the Kirk Session records. These are mostly now at the national Archives in Edinburgh, but you have to go there yourself, or senda researcher on your behalf, because thay have not been digitised or indexed. And, as with anything in the KS records, it is a matter of luck whether you find anything - they are very variable. If you are lucky, the information in the KS records and in the OPRs will complement each other - but then you really are being lucky! Gavin Bell

Yes Anne, I noticed that aswell. On the Scottish Document site it clearly states James and when the papers are downloaded ( I love the immediateness, just don't like the paying !!) the name is Johannes. I also thought it quite odd that in 1855 a name is used in latin, while all the other names on the papers are very clearly English, including the various times James himself is mentioned. I might invite him for a dinner over the new year and find out if the executors ever did get the monies owed and why the variation in his name - Oh ! if we could !!! Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb ----- Original Message ----- From: <anne.listmail@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Burgess in Will >> One of the Younie >> wills for a Johannas >> Younie (James) Merchant in Fochabers 1855 > That's odd because (a) Johannes is Latin for John, not > James (James being Jacobus, hence the term Jacobite) > and (b) I am surprised that they would have been using > Latin versions of names as late as this. > > Most interesting! > > Anne > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

William wrote: > ... > I guess my question is, even if they married in a private residence, > there has to be some sort of record that a marriage ceremony did occur > there and by which minister. Sadly for us, there really didn't "have to be" any record. Before 1855, there was a theoretical requirement ro register baptisms and marriages, but it was not effectively policed. The best reason for paying to have your marriage entered in the parish register was as an insurance against any busybody sneaking off to the Kirk Session and claiming that you were living in sin. Gavin Bell

> One of the Younie > wills for a Johannas > Younie (James) Merchant in Fochabers 1855 That's odd because (a) Johannes is Latin for John, not James (James being Jacobus, hence the term Jacobite) and (b) I am surprised that they would have been using Latin versions of names as late as this. Most interesting! Anne

> A while ago I purchased copies of wills and spurred > on by recent events I > have been looking closer at them. One of the Younie > wills for a Johannas > Younie (James) Merchant in Fochabers in 1855 who was > in partnership with his > daughter lists all the people whose accounts were > unpaid by the date of his > death. > > I don't know if Anne has a Jean Burgess of Bogmore > but she is mentioned in > the list as owing £1 15s 10d. I know who she probably is but she isn't one of mine. I think this will be Jane Burgess, born 1818, parents John Burgess and Elizabeth Buie, married James Gray 1852 and died 1899, all in Bogmoor, which is a couple of miles north of Fochabers. This family were Roman Catholic and there are still some related Burgesses in Fochabers and surrounding area. Anne

> it was mentioned that the > parents were married Nov. > 1850 in Belnoe, Glenlivet, Banff. I have to assume > that this was perhaps a > farm. Yes, it is a farm. It's in the Braes of Glenlivet. You can see where it is if you got to www.streetmap.co.uk and enter it in the search box. You'll need to zoom in to see exactly where it is. HTH Anne

> I have the following entry - "Dec. 6th, 1825 - John > Main of this Parish and > Mary Finlay of the parish of Dyke being > matrimonially contracted since > married". > > This was extracted from the Nairn Parish Records. > I have often wondered > what it all meant. From what I now read in this > list there would have > been a marriage contract of some sort and they were > married, but where? in > the Parish of Dyke? in the Parish of Nairn? and > would that have been > earlier than Dec. 6th, 1825? > > Are these marriage contracts searchable and if so, > where? > > I would appreciate some further enlightenment! As I understand it, the term 'matrimonially contracted' in this context means that they had announced their intention to marry, and may even have 'exchanged pledges for performance', that is, given some token or money to a third party, for example the minister, which would not be returned to then until after the marriage ceremony had taken place. I would be happy to be corrected if anyone has any more information about this. As for where the marriage took place, I think it likely that it took place in Dyke, because it was usual for the ceremony to be held in the bride's home, or perhaps her place of employment if she was a long way from her family or if her parents were dead. Some marriage ceremonies were conducted in the manse (the minister's house). It was very unusual to be married in the church itself. Date of marriage? Almost certainly after 6th December 1825, not before. What the parish register records is the proclamation of banns, i.e. the public announcement from the pulpit in both parties' parishes of residence. This had to be done three times to give anyone with a valid objection to the marriage the opportunity to come forward and say why the marriage should not take place. I note from the IGI that this particular marriage was recorded in the parish registers of both Nairn and Auldearn. This is curious, because if the bride lived in Dyke I would have expected the banns to be called in(and hence recorded in the parish register of) Dyke. You might find an extra snippet of information in the Auldearn parish register. Where to search marriage contracts? In 99% of cases no written contract will exist. If one does exist, it will be in an archive somewhere. I know there are some in the Moray Archives, and there are others in the National Archives of Scotland. However these all refer to wealthy families, so unless your John Main and Mary Finlay came of a landed family I think it is almost certain that there will be no contract which you could search for. HTH Anne

--=======468F7374======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-191344EE; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have the following entry - "Dec. 6th, 1825 - John Main of this Parish and Mary Finlay of the parish of Dyke being matrimonially contracted since married". This was extracted from the Nairn Parish Records. I have often wondered what it all meant. From what I now read in this list there would have been a marriage contract of some sort and they were married, but where? in the Parish of Dyke? in the Parish of Nairn? and would that have been earlier than Dec. 6th, 1825? Are these marriage contracts searchable and if so, where? I would appreciate some further enlightenment! Cheers, Jean Main in Australia. --=======468F7374======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-191344EE Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 9/12/04 --=======468F7374=======--

Hi Carol and fellow listers, I'm interested, too. My ancestor owned or managed a wool mill in Glenkindie. I found his estate's 1866 Aberdeen Sheriff Court inventory on ScottishDocuments.com which listed individuals' outstanding accounts as well as livestock and household furnishings. It was noted that few if any of the outstanding accounts were likely to pay up. Sadly, he left a wife and 6 children ranging in age from 19 to 8. Regards, Priscilla SoCalif

Howard, thanks a lot, I´ll give the Forum an extra pray through this mail: Robert Innes, town clerk of Banff, dies 1782. Four years later his wife Margareth Gilchrist passes away. Of their children have two sons gone to Gothenburg in Sweden, one son seems to have gone to America; only their daughter Margaret remains in Banff, Scotland. The two guys who came to Gothenburg were very successful. When Alexander Innes died 1818, he was a rich man with more than 2000 £ Sterling, and owning 1/3 of a ship "Neptunus". In his will, he gave £20 to "the poor in Banff" and £20 to "the poor in Gothenburg". My wife and I are planning to go to Banff in Scotland next week from Sweden. Are there any local resources where we can find out more about these old ancestors to her? Two things are interesting to me: Would it be possible to find Robert Innes and Margaret Gilchrist´s ancestors in the local archives there? Is there anyone who can give me an idea of what the reasons were for these three young men to leave their home town during the middle of 18th century? Regards, KajA.

Greeting from Ottawa William, I was not aware that your Margaret Grant was a memberof the family that resided at Belnoe. This farm is located within the Roman Catholic community in the Braes of Glenlivet and the marriage details you are searching for are probably entered in the Chapeltown R.C. Records. Copies of the records are held in the Local Heritage Library in Elgin but may not be available meantime as a result of the fire in 2003 at Grant Lodge. ( use my direct sympatico address for continuation. HTH - George in Ottawa >From: "WILLIAM INNES" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MORAY] Marriages >Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:54:13 +0000 > >Recently Carol gave us a little description for marriages and where at >times they were performed. Just to give you a case in point, my ancestor >William Innes b:1822 Inveravon and his first wife Margaret Grant were >married about 1850 and had a family of four children but for the life of me >was unable to find a marriage date through the IGI. Through the birth >extract of their second child in 1853 it was mentioned that the parents >were married Nov. 1850 in Belnoe, Glenlivet, Banff. I have to assume that >this was perhaps a farm. So, if true, they were married in a private >residence. > >I guess my question is, even if they married in a private residence, there >has to be some sort of record that a marriage ceremony did occur there and >by which minister. > >According to the 1841 Census for Belnoe, it is shown that there were >Grants, Innes, Stuarts living there. > >William in Montreal > > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The >archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established >lister. > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Anne wrote: > What makes a marriage legal is that it is witnessed by two > other people - hence the custom of marriage by declaration, > which was fairly common until it was abolished some time around > 1930-ish. I think you are arguing a bit ahead of the data, there, Anne. Until the revision of the law which came into effect on 1 July 1940, there were two main types of marriage recognised under the law of Scotland. These were (a) Regular Marriages and (b) Irregular Marriages. The definition of "Regular" had been gradually stretched over the preceding century, but originally, the only Regular Marriage was one solemnised by a Minister of the Kirk of Scotland. Where it was solemnised was not specified, nor (so far as I am aware) was there originally any formal requirement for the ceremnony to be witnessed. There was a requirement that the proclamations be read on three successive Sabbaths before the ceremony (to allow for objections), but once that requirement had been satisfied, they could be married without further ado. In the nature of things, this was geneally a very public proceeding, but none of my sources mention any requirement for the ceremony to be witnessed. Which is why, I suspect, so many marriages appear in the OPRs simply as "A B and X Y having been three times lawfully proclaimed were married" - in other words, the Minister's unsupported word was good enough. Until the 1940 reform, there were three forms of Irregular Marriage. The term is confusing, because, while such unions may not have been much to the liking of the Kirk, they were, in all other respects (eg legitimisation of offspring, inheritance, etc) perfectly valid. These "Irrgular" forms were: (1) marriage by cohabitaion with habit and repute. This meant that, if a couple lived together for a period of time (length unspecified) as if they were married, then the Law deemed that they were. This is still valid. (2) promise 'subsequente copula'. This covered the case where a man promised marriage, and sexual intercourse followed. In the nature of things, this would have been rather difficult to witness, and I suspect may have been rather difficult to prove, had it ever come to court. (3) declaration. Simply declaring yourselves to be man and wife meant that you were. Very oddly, there was no specific requirement that the declaration had to be witnessed - it was left to the court to decide whether such a declaration had occurred - although witnesses would clearly be useful!. So it would appear that there was no specific requirement for witnesses to any act of marriage, whether Regular or Irregular. (My source for all the above is "General Principles of Scots Law", a standard student text-book, by Enid A Marshall). Gavin Bell

Recently Carol gave us a little description for marriages and where at times they were performed. Just to give you a case in point, my ancestor William Innes b:1822 Inveravon and his first wife Margaret Grant were married about 1850 and had a family of four children but for the life of me was unable to find a marriage date through the IGI. Through the birth extract of their second child in 1853 it was mentioned that the parents were married Nov. 1850 in Belnoe, Glenlivet, Banff. I have to assume that this was perhaps a farm. So, if true, they were married in a private residence. I guess my question is, even if they married in a private residence, there has to be some sort of record that a marriage ceremony did occur there and by which minister. According to the 1841 Census for Belnoe, it is shown that there were Grants, Innes, Stuarts living there. William in Montreal

Hi Carol I have just realised I have a Thomas Willis and an Elspet Innes who had a daughter Elspet in Fochabers born on 27th September and baptised on 30th September 1830. Thomas Willis was a merchant in Fochabers and I see the witnesses and the christening were James Younie and Elspet Annand. As both Thomas Willis and James Younie are described as Merchants and in Fochabers I wonder if they were in partnership and then decided to go their own ways Regards Ian

I hope everyone had a good Christmas and are not still suffering from over indulging !!! A while ago I purchased copies of wills and spurred on by recent events I have been looking closer at them. One of the Younie wills for a Johannas Younie (James) Merchant in Fochabers in 1855 who was in partnership with his daughter lists all the people whose accounts were unpaid by the date of his death. I don't know if Anne has a Jean Burgess of Bogmore but she is mentioned in the list as owing £1 15s 10d. Other names include Phimister, Riach, Minty, Gordon, Morrison, Reid, Geddes. There are in total 7 ledger pages of names and in total add up to 100's of £'s. In the whole will thousands of pounds are involved. In the Highlands was it commonplace to have an 'account' with a provisioner ? In my locale (Yorkshire) it was normal only for people of a certain class to have an 'account' with their suppliers.. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb

Hi Carol I am interested in seeing what is in the will you mention as I have Geddes, Phimister (Fimister), Burgess and as you know a remote Riach. We had a quiet but enjoyable Christmas and are now looking forward to the New Year but hope that is just as nice. We wish you and Ben a Guid New Year when it comes. Regards Ian

> I'm interested in Murray's theory about marriage > records appearing in two > parishes. > > I was always under the impression that two marriages > took place because one > of the parties was Roman Catholic. To make the > marriage legal, a marriage > had to take place in the Church of Scotland. That > explained one marriage. > Then, the couple might get married a second time in > a Catholic Church. I > know that this happened in my own Davidson family. > > Would anybody care to comment? Absolutely not the case at all. What makes a marriage legal is that it is witnessed by two other people - hence the custom of marriage by declaration, which was fairly common until it was abolished some time around 1930-ish. It was not necessary to have a clergyman perform the ceremony, and it was unusual for the ceremony to take place in the church. There has never been a legal requirement for a marriage to take place in a Church of Scotland - far from it, in fact; until the early 20th century most wedding ceremonies did not take place in church. The reason for any marriage appearing twice in the IGI or GROS indexes is that the banns were called in two different parishes, because the couple's residences were in those two parishes, and the proclamation was recorded in both. I have actually seen all but a tiny handful of the 5000-odd original marriage entries in my tree, and, without exception, if there are two records in the IGI or any other index the original has told me that the parties lived in different parishes, and which one lived in which parish. There are certain countries where a church (notably the RC Church) or one religious denomation or another does not recognise civil marriages, and I believe there are some, not including Scotland, where a civil ceremony is required as well as a religious ceremony. I know of cases where a marriage conducted under protestant rites was followed by a subsequent ceremony (usually a blessing rather than a second marriage ceremony) in a RC church precisely because the RC church did not recognise the validity of the protestant marriage ceremony. If two parties in the same parish, one RC and the other Protestant, wished to marry, the banns would be called in both churches, but the parish register would contain only one entry because that would suffice within that parish, so cross-denomination marriages would only produce double records if the index also included the RC records, which, generally speaking, neither the IGI nor the GROS index does. HTH Anne

In my research I have found that in every case where a marriage was recorded twice the reason was that the parties lived in different parishes and consequently the banns had to be called in each parish. Harry Montgomery.

Hi Alex Because I was on the wrong track until recently I don't have any solid info yet apart from IGI records. I have included what I do have below. All records are for Elgin, Moray, Scotland: Marriage(s): ALEXANDER DAVIDSON m. MARION MARGARET GRANT, 27 NOV 1840, Cromdale And Inverallan And Advie, Inverness, Scotland ALEXANDER DAVIDSON m. MARION GRANT, 27 NOV 1840, Elgin, Moray, Scotland Births & Christenings: Robert Davidson (12 Sep 1841 - ) Chr: 26 Sep 1841 John Davidson (01 Sep 1843 - ) Chr: 17 Sep 1843 Margaret Marion Davidson (06 Jun 1847 - 1 Jun 1932) Chr: 20 Jun 1847 Emigrated to NZ, leaving London 3 July 1869 on the Hydaspes where she married Beriah Robinson of Scottish-Irish origins. Marjory Davidson (04 Jul 1849 - ) Chr: 22 Jul 1849 Grace Davidson (10 May 1854 - ) Chr: 23 Jul 1854 Alexander Davidson (8 Oct 1856 - ) ---------------------------------------------------------- The topics of Banns and also of marriages a few months before the first child was born, are very interesting and you have introduced another slant to it. Ian Scott sent me this extremely informative note on Banns which I'm sure he won't mind me copying here: Hi Murray Proclamations of Banns (Intentions to marry) were made to enable anyone, who had any knowledge why the couple should not be married, to raise an objection and it would be particularly necessary if they lived in different Parishes that it take place in both. I believe that where an objection was raised and the Clergyman refused to perform the ceremony the couple could appeal to the Sheriff and if successful the Clergyman was required to do as the Sheriff ordered. I am currently looking at the Bellie OPR and the detail of the entries varies depending on who wrote them over the years and I would say this is quite normal as regards the OPRs. You can find a simple statement that Joe Bloggs & Mary Smith offered their names for proclamation with a view to marriage and nothing more. In others there will be words to the same effect with the addition 'and were afterwards married' or 'and were married on (date)' and on a few occasions the name of the minister is given. I have also come across entries which state a pledge has been given and my understanding of that is there was a pledge of money made at the time and this would be returned if no child was born within the nine month period following the marriage. Otherwise the pledge fell to the Kirk's coffers. In my own Tree I have the following entry in 1796 in the Parish of Bellie: Alexander Scott and Helen Todd were contracted into matrimony on 2nd July 1796 and were married two days later by the Minister of the Parish of Bellie, Rev William Gordon. I am not certain about the significance of the contracted into matrimony bit but, suffice it to say, their first child was born in October 1796 and I assume that there will have been some intervention by the Kirk Session which is something I must take time to check out at the National Archives. In this case, as it would be obvious that Helen Todd was pregnant there would be no point in any pledge being given and it could be that 2nd July 1796 was the day they appeared before the Kirk Session and entered into the marriage contract. Finally, just to confuse you more not all Proclamations were followed by a marriage and it could be that if you find an entry in respect of a marriage (which is more probably the banns) but find no children of the marriage then it may be the marriage did not take place. Equally so the couple may have emigrated soon after they married and the family were born abroad and you may need to broaden your area of research. I, personally, think it is a bit of a minefield but back in those days it is all we have to go on and all the possibilities should be kept in front of you when researching. Regards Ian davidsonanl@lineone.net wrote: >I'm interested in Murray's theory about marriage records appearing in two >parishes. > >I was always under the impression that two marriages took place because one >of the parties was Roman Catholic. To make the marriage legal, a marriage >had to take place in the Church of Scotland. That explained one marriage. >Then, the couple might get married a second time in a Catholic Church. I >know that this happened in my own Davidson family. > >Would anybody care to comment? > >Murray, do you have exact dates and places of births for the children you >mention? I have a large data base of Davidsons but yours don't appear on >it, probably because I've researched mainly in Banffshore. I'd like to add >them. > >Alex Davidson, Cromarty, Scotland. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Murray Lynn" <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> >To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:17 AM >Subject: Re: [MORAY] RE: Davidson/Grant > > > > >>Some more Davidsons: >>Alexander Davidson m. Marion Margaret Grant, 27 Nov 1840. In the IGI >>records the marriage is listed twice on the same date in both Elgin, and >>in Cromdale and Inverallan and Advie. I understand it was common for the >>churches of both the bride and groom to record the marriage in this >>way. The family lived in Elgin and so I assume Alexander was from Elgin >>and Marion from the Cromdale area. >> >>They had at least 6 children: >>Robert, b 1841 >>John, 1843 >>Margaret Marion, 1847 who emigrated to NZ (my ggm) >>Marjory, 1849 >>Grace, 1854 >>Alexander, 1856 >> >>I know very little about the family and would appreciate any information >>or leads. >> >>I initially had a false lead from a family member who thought that the >>parents of Margaret, my ggm, were James Davidson and Anne Souter of >>Elgin. Consequently I do have some information on this family should >>anyone be interested. >> >>Murray >> >>Christchurch, New Zealand >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Avalonwilli@aol.com [mailto:Avalonwilli@aol.com] >>>Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 11:55 >>>To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [MORAY] RE: Davidson >>> >>>I have Peter Davidson married Ann Morrison both born about 1800 >>> >>> >, > > >>>Rayne. Next is Alexander Davidson married Mary Carle >>>February 23 , 1861 My connection comes >>> >>> >down > > >>>to >>>the Andersons from Aberdeen >>>William >>> >>>______________________________ >>> >>> >>>==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>>If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or >>> >>> >report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found >at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > >>>============================== >>>View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>>marriage announcements and more. 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Sent to Request email address - in error. Please reply to list or Ian ian mclean <ianmclean2000@yahoo.com> wrote: I have the name Mackie in my tree and wondered if anyone can connect,or add to what I have? Margaret Mackie married Peter Gauld April 3rd.1803 Rothemay Parish,Banff & lived in Braewarrick. Children John Gauld b. Nov.5th.1803 Rothemay Peter & William Gauld (twins) b. June 5th.1806 Rothemay Mary Gauld b. Apr.1st.1809 Rothemay Margaret Gauld b. May 23rd.1812 Rothemay George Gauld b. Jan.5th.1818 Marnoch Ann Gauld b.Aug.24th.1823 Marnoch I have not been able to find anything regarding Margaret Mackie, any help would be appreciated. Ian in Canada