Iain wrote: > I am interested in a James Harrold born 6th Feb 1873. On his birth > certificate his mother is listed as Mary Ann Harrold. Would it be > unusual for a illegitimate child to take his mothers surname? No. That was the normal convention. If his father's identity was proved, then the child would generally take the father's surname - although that sometimes happened even when the father's identity was only supposed. > In the margin of the birth certificate is something like "Paternity > of child found by dea of court see reg of ? vol I.P 164 August 4th > 1873" That will be: "by dec. [=decree] of Court. See Reg. of Corr. Entries [= Register of Corrected Entries]". In other words, the mother went to the court, which ruled that XY was the father. I can't remember the procedure for consulting the "Reg. of Corr. Entries", but I'm sure some other Lister will keep you right. Gavin Bell

While much of the recent discussion is on Davidson, I thought I'd add the line I'm working on. I've had such success with other lines of the family, I'm hoping the same will occur with this line, reacquainting my friend Ann with more cousins. To date, she and I have primarily used the Elgin Library and the IGI. While I've used scotlandspeople, I've been waiting for the earlier census', and will go back on there soon. Mary or Margaret DAVIDSON, b abt 1820, Hopeman, parents, I believe, Donald or Daniel DAVIDSON & JANET MAIN. She married in 1842 WILLIAM MCPHERSON, b abt 1816. William and Mary had a daughter Mary, b abt 1848 Hopeman, who married in 1872 Duffus, James Ralph b 1848 (son of Donald Ralph & Ann Main). James and Mary had a daughter Ann b 1872 Hopeman, married 1894 William Main b 1865 Burghead. William and Ann Main had a daughter Jessie Ann Main b 1909 Burghead. If I were to give a dinner in 1890-early 1900's Burghead, I'd like to invite anyone who remembers any of the Lamberts. We seem to be stuck finding genealogic information Martin Lambert 3rd's grandparents: Martin 3rd: b 1910 Hopeman, married Jessie Ann Main, d 1962, son of Martin 2nd b abt 1885 ?, married Magdalene Murray, d 1969, son of 1st Martin b? d? married Florence Kerr. Cheers, Peigi

Hi Iain Gavin has already explained the margin note in the entry that you have but to see the actual entry you will either have to go to NRH where you will be able to examined the Register of Corrected entries entry, buy a proper copy of the certificate which should have the details from the Register of Corrected Entries on the reverse or await these entries becoming available on the Scotlandspeople website where you can search for a fee. As far as I am aware these are the only options short of getting someone who is visiting NRH to have a look for you and transcribe the entry. Ian A C Scott

From what I can understand, the DAVIDSONs originated around 1350, one theory being that they originated from the Comyns, proscribed by Robert the Bruce. The DAVIDSONs of Camray and Tulloch were believed to have originated around 1396 after the Battle of North Inch. Before the end of the 14th century, the DAVIDSON name was known around the east and NE coastal towns of Perth, Dundee and Aberdeen. My DAVIDSONs of Cruden, Abd, I presume, would descend from those around that area before the end of the 14th century, while others have spread to other areas. I can't seem to find how the Banffshire DAVIDSONs originated unless they moved up from Abd or Dundee. I tend to enjoy the histories because it does help to pin down the particular line and to see where they originate. May you each enjoy the remainder of the 12 Days of Christmas, and happy genealogical hunting to you all. Shalom Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sutherland-Fisher [mailto:info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2004 10:21 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MORAY] RE: Davidson Hi folks, Yet more Davidsons. Mine farmed at Clunes in Nairnshire. By the way I assume you all know the Davidsons are associated with Tulloch Castle in Dingwall, Ross-shire. The landed family was Davidson of Tulloch and they sold out to the Vickers of Vickers Armstrong fame. Merry Christmas to one and all Mark John M. Sutherland-Fisher Past President and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie Professional Genealogist and Director: Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd web-site: www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk email: info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: 21 December 2004 10:05 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] RE: Davidson Since we are swapping Davidsons: In my direct line I have John Davidson (1781-1861), born Tofthill of Auchline, Clatt, Aberdeenshire, son of Alexander Davidson and Margaret Wright. He married Christian Wright. Anne ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ______________________________

Good to hear from you again, Ann. I remember us swapping info on LESLIEs some years ago before PCs. Clatt appears to be a long way inland west of Cruden, so it would appear that our DAVIDSONs would have to go back a long way to find a connection. I understand that there were many DAVIDSONs in Abd. There appears to be at least more than one occasion where your Davidsons found their Miss Right. Shalom Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 9:05 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] RE: Davidson Since we are swapping Davidsons: In my direct line I have John Davidson (1781-1861), born Tofthill of Auchline, Clatt, Aberdeenshire, son of Alexander Davidson and Margaret Wright. He married Christian Wright. Anne ______________________________

Good afternoon, Carol and others Yes, it looks like the same couple but my dates are slightly different. Patrick TAYLOR was baptised in 1725 in Rathven, Keith, the son of Mary (n GORDON) & Patrick TAYLOR. Margaret RIACH has no details. I have no details of the wedding either, but daughter Elspet was baptised 11 June 1744, Keith and married Alexander GAMMIE (b1753), on 24 Dec 1771, in Keith. The other details are new information for me, many thanks, Carol. Shalom Chris -----Original Message----- From: carol [mailto:carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 9:09 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] RE: Riach; Duncan Morning Chris, It seems strange talking to you of Riach's instead of Binns. I am replying to the list as you did send a message there too. This is the info I have on this couple - not a lot and not connected to mine yet ! Patrick Taylor b c1718 married to Margaret Riach b 1722 no marriage date Their children were Elspeth 1744, Anerew 1749, Mary 1753, Patrick 1750, Thomas 1747 and Margaret 1760. >From these children the only one that I have as marrying was Thomas who married a lady called Margaret Grant in 1782. You may already have this info regards from a sunny but 'cool' West Yorkshire Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ridings" <tutu@atu.com.au> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: [MORAY] RE: Riach; Duncan > One of my ancestral-outlaws was a Margaret RIACH who married Patrick > TAYLOR > who was baptised on 29 April 1725 in Rathven, Keith, Banffshire. > > Another was Isabel DUNCAN (d1864) who married Theodore LESLIE (1799-1864), > born at Ordiquill, Banffshire. > > Does this connect anywhere to the MBP or to anyone else? > > Chris Ridings > > > -----Original Message----- > From: carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk [mailto:carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk] > Sent: Monday, 20 December 2004 10:29 > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: ROTHES RESEARCHERS NEW ANDERSON WEB SITE > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Riach, Younie, Ogg, Duncan, Petrie, Stronach, Innes, Mitchell + > More > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1251.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi, looked at your websire, will add a link on my site > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb shortly, but --- > > I notice that you have Riach and Younie entries. The Riach does not match > anything yet!!! but the Younie. You have a > > MARGARET ANNE YOUNIE ANDERSON, b. 2 March 1866, Rothes; d. 1 May 1939, St > Albans > > Have you any information as to her YOUNIE name ? > > Is the link through her mother Anne Bremner as the Bremners married into > the > Riach's who inturn married Younie people. > > regards > > Carol Sklinar > Moray Mailing List Admin > > ______________________________ > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > ______________________________

I knew a Bunty in Aberdeen back in the 60`s and her name was Elizabeth no idea how she got the nickname Bunty Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" <carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:37 AM Subject: [MORAY] Christian name > Morning Ray and listers > > George and I have been communicating now for several weeks and in some info > came across a BUNTY. > > I've been to your site Ray and it comes up blank. > > Now I've only know one other Bunty and that was a family pet name that stuck > and everyone eventually called this very nice, Yorkshire lady Bunty. I've > no idea what her real name was, even her children called her Bunty. > > Anyone any ideas what Bunty's real name could be or was it as it is. > > Carol > Admin Moray Mailing List > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

I am looking for information on Alexander Cameron and his wife Anne Miller. I have determined that they had 3 children, William, Margaret and Peter, at St Andrews- Lhanbryd, Moray 1821-1825 but am unable to find any further details. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ian Cameron

G'day Cobbers, Am trying to locate my g-g aunt, Jane Brodie McLEAN, b. 25 Oct 1872, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland [Parents: Charles & Mary (nee CLARK) McLEAN. The last reference that I have on her is when she was the informant on his death certificate for her father, Charles McLEAN, which states that she was living at 98 Drayton Park, Highbury, North London, in March, 1902. Any assistance in locating her would be greatly appreciated. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7736 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

G'day Cobbers, I have reason to believe that John McLEAN b. 08 Sep 1867, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland [Parents: Charles & Mary (nee CLARK) McLEAN], is to be found in the Elgin area, where he was living, working and possibly died. I don't know if he married or if he had any children. Any information or assistance with my g-g uncle would be greatly appreciated. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7736 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

Hi Iain, I have an Alexander Walker born 1868 at Bogentenny who was the illegitimate son of Jessie Walker. He took his mother's name. I have this following info below which sounds a bit similar to what you have re register. On 1881 census Alexander is living at Torehead Croft with Jessie's parents, James & Ann Walker n.Smith. Also there are my grandfather James Hutchinson & his twin brother George. They too were illegitimate, their father, George Hutchinson. No sign of Jessie though so i presume she worked in service somewhere. I could not find her anywhere in Scotland & the closest to her is on 1881 census which i will enclose below. As you will see there is a Jessie Walker born Duffer[mine was b.Duffus] so i think this is an error & my Jessie would have been 34 having been born 1847. Guess i'll have to keep searching for her. Regards. Jan Alexander Walker 20th Oct.1868 Bogentenny,Pluscarden,Elgin Alexander was the illegitimate son of Jessie Walker & James Ogilvie Tod Forster.Alexander's birth certificate is shown to have been endorsed with a Reference to the Register of Corrected Entries.[21st Jan.1869] This entry reveals that Jessie raised an Action against James who was declared to be the father of her son Alexander. Household: Name RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability William DRAPER Head M Male 39 Grantham, Lincoln, England General Medical Practitioner M.R.C.S. And L.M. Eng L.S.A. Lon Catherine A. DRAPER Wife M Female 37 Manston, York, England Robert A. DRAPER Son U Male 10 York, England Scholar Helen K. DRAPER Daur U Female 8 York, England Scholar William B.Y. DRAPER Son Male 4 York, England Philip N. DRAPER Son Male 2 York, England Julian M. DRAPER Son Male 12 m York, England Caroline DRAPER Sister Female 38 Grantham, Lincoln, England Annuitant Jessie WALKER Serv U Female 30 Duffer Elgin, Scotland Cook (Domestic) Fanny MACHEN Serv U Female 22 York, England Housemaid (Domestic) Sarah VAREY Serv U Female 18 Huntington, York, England Nursemaid (Domestic) Florence WILSON Serv U Female 16 York, England Under Nursemaid (Domestic) --------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling De Grey House Census PlaceYork St Michael Le Belfry, York, England Family History Library Film 1342140 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4717 / 90 Page Number 14 --------------------------------- Jan Bell Newsdesk1_2000@yahoo.co.uk Newsdesk1@excite.com --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Thanks Ray, Bunty Mitchell b abt 1910 presumed in Scotland, possibly in Aberdeenshire but not only guessing. The other was a lady who when I knew her was in her mid 80's so would have been born around pre WW1 years and was from North Yorkshire - a similar time to the Scottish Bunty. Just as an afterthought, there was a UK tv programme a 'few' years ago called HOW and one of the presenters was Bunty James - she would have been born in the latter half of the 1900's You will be going live as we say shortly, so my very best wishes for the official launch - I send you a virtual dram of Tamnavoulin, a breakfast whiskey so it can be drunk anytime. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Christian name > Hi Carol > > "Bunty" - English; originally a nickname of uncertain derivation. > Popular in the 20th century as a baptismal name. > Possibly derived from a pet-name [no pun intended, I think] > for a lamb from the old English "to bunt" = to butt gently. > > Source: the Oxford Names Companion. > > That may be one of the English names I will add in due course. > Can you send me details of the Bunty you've found. > It isn't Scottish but I have some English names in the database. > > Thanks for input > > Ray > http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carol" <carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:37 PM > Subject: [MORAY] Christian name > > >> Morning Ray and listers >> >> George and I have been communicating now for several weeks and in some >> info came across a BUNTY. >> >> I've been to your site Ray and it comes up blank. >> >> Now I've only know one other Bunty and that was a family pet name that >> stuck and everyone eventually called this very nice, Yorkshire lady >> Bunty. I've no idea what her real name was, even her children called her >> Bunty. >> >> Anyone any ideas what Bunty's real name could be or was it as it is. >> >> Carol >> Admin Moray Mailing List >> www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or >> report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be >> found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be > transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in > transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email > address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing > list Admin. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Carol "Bunty" - English; originally a nickname of uncertain derivation. Popular in the 20th century as a baptismal name. Possibly derived from a pet-name [no pun intended, I think] for a lamb from the old English "to bunt" = to butt gently. Source: the Oxford Names Companion. That may be one of the English names I will add in due course. Can you send me details of the Bunty you've found. It isn't Scottish but I have some English names in the database. Thanks for input Ray http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" <carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: [MORAY] Christian name > Morning Ray and listers > > George and I have been communicating now for several weeks and in some > info came across a BUNTY. > > I've been to your site Ray and it comes up blank. > > Now I've only know one other Bunty and that was a family pet name that > stuck and everyone eventually called this very nice, Yorkshire lady > Bunty. I've no idea what her real name was, even her children called > her Bunty. > > Anyone any ideas what Bunty's real name could be or was it as it is. > > Carol > Admin Moray Mailing List > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I am interested in a James Harrold born 6th Feb 1873. On his birth certificate his mother is listed as Mary Ann Harrold. Would it be unusual for a illegitimate child to take his mothers surname . In the margin of the birth certificate is something like ''Paternity of child found by dea of court see reg of ? vol I.P 164 August 4th 1873'' Can anyone tell me what this is? thanks for any help or advice Iain

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//BgC.2ACI/1252 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on Alexander Cameron and his wife Anne Miller. They had 3 children, William, Margaret and Peter (1821-1825)at St Andrews-Lhanbryd, Moray but am unable to find any further details. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks.

New to the list and Scotland research - Have Peter/Patrick Leslie m Janet Davidson. Jean/Jane Leslie born Marnoch 1800 m Wm Young Son Alexander born c 1833 married Kitty Raines 1857 Australia. Other known sons Peter Young born Marnoch 1829 James Young born Marnoch 1834 David Young born 1837/38 - went to Australia then New Zealand. Wm and sons living in Fordyce in 1841. Cheers Jackie/Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: Chris Ridings [mailto:tutu@atu.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2004 4:28 AM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MORAY] RE: Davidson Good to hear from you again, Ann. I remember us swapping info on LESLIEs some years ago before PCs. Clatt appears to be a long way inland west of Cruden, so it would appear that our DAVIDSONs would have to go back a long way to find a connection. I understand that there were many DAVIDSONs in Abd. There appears to be at least more than one occasion where your Davidsons found their Miss Right. Shalom Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 9:05 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] RE: Davidson Since we are swapping Davidsons: In my direct line I have John Davidson (1781-1861), born Tofthill of Auchline, Clatt, Aberdeenshire, son of Alexander Davidson and Margaret Wright. He married Christian Wright. Anne ______________________________ ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Chris wrote: > ... > My DAVIDSONs of Cruden, Abd, I presume, would descend from those > around that area before the end of the 14th century, while others have > spread to other areas. ... or may have arisen quite independently in these other areas? DAVIDSON is a classic instance of a "petrified patronymic", and, given that David was a popular name, it seems more than likely that, when surnames became fashionable, more than one "son of David" decided to take his father's forename as his surname. Gavin Bell

Morning Ray and listers George and I have been communicating now for several weeks and in some info came across a BUNTY. I've been to your site Ray and it comes up blank. Now I've only know one other Bunty and that was a family pet name that stuck and everyone eventually called this very nice, Yorkshire lady Bunty. I've no idea what her real name was, even her children called her Bunty. Anyone any ideas what Bunty's real name could be or was it as it is. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb

Hi List Just a small cautionary addendum to Gavin's excellent summary. Gavin wrote: > .... The other place where you may find some reference to the > Consignation of Pledges is the Kirk Session records. These are mostly > now at the national Archives in Edinburgh, but you have to go there > yourself, or send a researcher on your behalf, because they have not > been digitised or indexed. And, as with anything in the KS records, > it is a matter of luck whether you > find anything - they are very variable. Our experience was very mixed: part disappointment, part brilliant. When we went to the National Archive [NAS] to look up some Aberdeenshire Kirk Session records we were very disappointed to discover that the two parishes we were specifically interested in were not available. Apparently the records were often missing due to mice, damp or indolence, and possibly crime or amnesia. So don't assume there will be a record available. But when there is one, it is full of additional detail and interesting stories. Well worth a visit if you can get there. As the index is in a dodgy set of paper binders, maybe we should all press for the NAS to at least put up an index of Parish KS records that are available in Edinburgh, with the dates covered. Best wishes for 2005 Ray Hennessy http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <g.bell@which.net> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re:[MORAY]Marriages and Banns > Jean wrote: > > > I have the following entry - "Dec. 6th, 1825 - John Main of this > > Parish and Mary Finlay of the parish of Dyke being matrimonially > > contracted since married". > > > This was extracted from the Nairn Parish Records. I have often > > wondered what it all meant. > > A year or two back, I did spend some time looking at around 100 > "marriages", in a range of parishes, and over a range of dates in the > 18th and 19th centuries, to try and establish some patterns. > > What emerged was that, throughout the 18th century (and decreasingly > in the 19th) the first stage in any marriage came even before the > Proclamations. This was variously labelled, sometimes as a > "contract", but more commonly as the "Consignation of Pledges". This > meant that the loving couple either deposited a sum of money with the > Session, or, if they were too poor, persuaded some friend or relation > to do so on their behalf (he then became their "cautioner"). > > This deposit was to ensure their "performance and abstinence". > "Performance" meant that the marriage actually had to take place, and > "abstinence" meant that no children were to be born until 9 months > after the ceremony. If both conditions were met, you could, in > theory, get your money back, but you might have been subject to moral > blackmail to convert the sum into a "gift" to the poor of the parish. > > > From what I now read in this list there > > would have been a marriage contract of some sort > > In the light of what I have previously seen, I would interpret the > "matrimonial contract" that you have found just such a "pledge of > performance and abstinence", rather than as any sort of financial > agreement. > > > and they were married, but where? in the Parish of Dyke? in the > > Parish of Nairn? and would that have been earlier than > > Dec. 6th, 1825? > > Where indeed? And When indeed? The entries in the "marriage" > register frequently do not tell us. In fact, in the sample I had, > fewer than half of the entries even referred to the marriage itself. > The largest proportion of them (slightly more than a third) referred > to one or other of the readings of the Proclamations. The others > refrred to the Consignation of Pledges. > > > Are these marriage contracts searchable and if so, where? > > Not separately. As you have already discovered, they appear in the > so-called "marriage" registers, and if you read what is actually in > those, rather than rely on the IGI reference to them, you will find > more such examples. The other place where you may find some reference > to the Consignation of Pledges is the Kirk Session records. These are > mostly now at the national Archives in Edinburgh, but you have to go > there yourself, or senda researcher on your behalf, because thay have > not been digitised or indexed. And, as with anything in the KS > records, it is a matter of luck whether you find anything - they are > very variable. If you are lucky, the information in the KS records > and in the OPRs will complement each other - but then you really are > being lucky! > > > Gavin Bell > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be > transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in > transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual > email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the > mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi I have an Alexander Scott who was born in 1843 at Woodside of Mosstowie, Alves, Moray. The 1881 Census shows him at the Royal Marine Artillery Barracks, Eastney, Hampshire with his wife Mary Jane Scott where he was serving as a Colour Sergeant in the Royal Marine Rifles. Mary Jane is shown as having been born in Ireland. In 1896 his illegitimate daughter, Margaret Mary, born in Portsoy in 1867 to Jane Smith married William Milne at West Mayfield, Edinburgh in 1896 and her marriage certificate indicates her father, who is shown as a Colour Sergeant In R.M., was alive but her mother Jane Smith who had married after Margaret Mary was born was already deceased. My searches for the marriage of Alexander and Mary Jane have proved fruitless and I have not traced a death for either of them nor have I found them in the 1901 Census. Whether they remained in England, came to Scotland or went to Ireland when his time with the Royal Marines was completed is unknown but it is unlikely that at the age of 53 in 1896 he would have served much longer in the Marines if, indeed, he was still on the active list and not pensioned. Any ideas? Ian A C Scott