Hi Gavin, You do a fabulous job! I'm 'all ears' here just like when I was a kid! Gay -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell [mailto:g.bell@which.net] Sent: January 3, 2005 11:07 AM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:[MORAY] Illegitimacy Pearl wrote: > ... > Jane Innes residing in Lossiemouth appeared before the church Meeting > and confessed that she had been guilty of fornication and had given > birth to a female child on 21 April 1849 the father of which she > stated was James WISEMAN, late of the First Scots Royals. She also > handed in a document purporting to be an acknowledgement on his part > as follows. "I, James Wiseman late of the Regiment of Foot in Scots > Royals considering that on the 21 April 1849, Jane Innes now or lately > residing in Lossiemouth, Parish of Draine Co. Elgin, brought forth a > female child begat by me on her in fornication and that I consider, > according to the present law of Scotland, a contract of marriage is > equal to the solemnisation of the same in the usual way. And we do by > these presents to declare ourselves married people witness our > handwriting or mark 13July 1849 " (Signed) James Wiseman, Jane Innes > (her x mark). > The Session considering that this is a case of trilapse in fornication > on the part of said Jane Innes instruct their clerk to transmit > extracts to the next meeting of presbytery that their advice may be > obtained and the said Jane Innes summoned to attend said meeting of > Presbytery to be held in Elgin on Wednesday 11 current. {I had the > Elgin minutes searched but no record was found of further info on Jane > Innes but I had found my Ann WISEMAN} What an intersting one! Illustrates the value of checking the Kirk Session records. > Question 1. second paragraph, line 8 (According to present law of > Scotland etc, does this mean they were living as man and wife but not > churched as Ann's birth/bapt has never been recorded.) Not necessarily. I think the guilty couple had got things half right, but were confused between the different forms of Irregular Marriage. There were three of these: 1 "Promise 'subsequente copula'" (= a promise, followed by copulation). If a man promised marriage, and on that basis the woman let him have his wicked way with her, then Scots Law (although not the Kirk!) would deem them married. It is possible that this might have applied in this instance. 2 "Marriage by Declaration". Simply stating (preferably, but oddly not necessarily) before witnesses that you were married to each other likewise constituted a marriage valid in the eyes of the Law (but again, not recognised by the Kirk). The couple's affidavit would, I think, qualify under this form of marriage. 3 "Marriage by Habit and Repute". Of the 3, this is the one form which could not apply to your errant ancestors. It could only take effect in the case of a couple who had lived together for a considerable period of time - the duration of a pregnancy would hardly suffice. > Question 2. Trilapse (not in my dictionary). The Kirk Sessions made a hobby of Fornication - or at least, of defining various different forms of it. The first offence was just Fornication. A repeat would be Relapse in Fornication. After that came Trilapse. > Question 3. There is no record of Jane, James or Anne in Morayshire in > the 1851 Census, could they have been asked to leave the County for > their mis-demeanour. Most unlikely, at this date. In earlier times, sinners could be barred from the Kirk, and possibly from the parish, but by the mid-19th century, the powers of the Kirk were waning, and they certainly would not have had the power to do such a thing. On the other hand, the couple may have been so fed up with their treatment that they upped and left just to get away from the Holy Willies. Gavin Bell ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

peigi wrote: > From The Oxford Dictionary of Slang, with date of first > appearance in print using current slang meaning: Chick-1899. I think peigi has almost closed this one now. I hadn't thought of looking in my Dictionary of Slang. It says [1]: "Bunty was the inevitable nick-name of any short, stout man in the military in the late 19th, early 20th century" It quotes another source [2]: "an affectionate term for a small woman of early middle age". And [3] in dialect & the U.S. it usually meant "short and stout" from the Scottish "buntin" of 1665. So that's it, then: Bunty [=buntin] was Scottish, used as a Nick-name for a short, plump person, and was transferred to a fully-fledged given female name. [Unless it also comes from Old English "to butt, like a lamb"!] Perhaps we should call a halt to this thread now. Thanks for all your thoughts and inputs. Best wishes for the New Year Ray Hennessy http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "peigi mulligan" <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > Ray, > I'm far enough away from the teeming metropolis to not know much about > it. > Just country folk. > Up here in the mountains we're having a warm spell. Temperatures in > the > mid-30 today, with rain; my bones are damp and chilly. Heat wave > yesterday, > in the 50's. > Ironically, in one of the local papers I read today, the topic of one > columnist was slang terms. From The Oxford Dictionary of Slang, with > date of > first appearance in print using current slang meaning: Chick-1899. > Which came first, the chick(en) or the hen (or the bunty?), as the > nursery > rhyme goes........ > > (Ducky-1897;Cat-1920, Fox-1961, Foxy-1895, Turkey-1927) > > This has been the Bees Knees, the Cat's Pajamas, but I've got to > 23-skidoo, > or my husband will 86 me ....... > > I'll send you the article if you'd like. His writing sounds like you. > Is > that an oxymoron? Can writing have sound? > Peigi

I know similar names can turn up as if merely to confuse and divert, but how about this information I have on file: Alexander REID and Anne GARDEN married 2 Oct 1802 Rathven, and had issue (no record of a George I have to say). The parents of Alexander REID (a fisherman) were Alexander REID and Jane GARDEN. One of Alexander REID and Anne GARDEN's children was William REID; he married Margaret GEDDES 23 Jun 1836 and became a shipowner and master mariner; died 2 Mar 1888 Duke St Portgordon. If it makes sense, I can dig out more. (I've had a quick look and can't find the detail - too much HSB on tap in this house today! HSB = Horndean Special Bitter, direct from the brewery up the road.) Regards Howard

Hi peigi [How's the Big Apple this winter?] We had noticed the link to "hen", a term of endearment throughout parts of Scotland and northern England. Looks good to me but I await "corrections from the peer review! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "peigi mulligan" <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > Ray, > A friend from Ullapool, originally from Govan, uses the term 'hen', > 'wee > hen' as an endearment. (I'm not short nor plump.) > So, the definitions you propose would make sense in that context. > Thanks for all the work you have done on your site, > Peigi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Hennessy" <rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:02 AM > Subject: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > > >> Hi List >> >> We've done a lot of searching for the origin of Bunty since Anne >> Burgess >> first raised the name nearly 3 weeks ago. >> >> Several people have said they know Bunty used for various "real >> names" >> with no obvious link. >> >> Anyway there seem to be these possible derivations: >> >> 1. "to Bunt" = to butt gently, like a lamb. [Sh. Oxfd Dict'y] >> 2. "buntin" = a bantam [Scottish names definitions] >> 3. "buntin" = Scottish, term of endearment for a short plump person >> [1665, Sh Oxfd Dict'y] >> 4. "buntie" = a hen with a rump [!] or a short plump person under 20 >> [Lanarkshire & Aberdeenshire names] >> >> Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this debate. I've updated >> the >> website. >> >> Happy New Year >> >> Ray Hennessy >> http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html >> >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found > at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. > The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or > established lister. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi list, Happy New Year to everyone. I have finally set up our Y-DNA project. It also covers any variant of the name. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Jamieson_Y-DNA_Project/#surnames I believe this is an excellent way to help repair those family trees that always seem to have the odd broken branch. The one where you suspect 2 individuals are brothers but you can't find the documentary proof. Y-DNA comparison might provide the answer. Whats required? Just request a test kit. It contains a couple of cotton swabs that are simply rubbed around the inside of the mouth to collect the necessry DNA. Then place the swabs into the protective container and post it back to the laboratory. It's that simple. The all important question of cost. It can be split between interested groups. You may want to compare tests to prove a connection between Jamieson lines. The other family line is detered by the cost. So is there enough interest from your group to contemplate helping out with the costs? If you have any questions then please email me. Regards George

Ray, I'm far enough away from the teeming metropolis to not know much about it. Just country folk. Up here in the mountains we're having a warm spell. Temperatures in the mid-30 today, with rain; my bones are damp and chilly. Heat wave yesterday, in the 50's. Ironically, in one of the local papers I read today, the topic of one columnist was slang terms. From The Oxford Dictionary of Slang, with date of first appearance in print using current slang meaning: Chick-1899. Which came first, the chick(en) or the hen (or the bunty?), as the nursery rhyme goes........ (Ducky-1897;Cat-1920, Fox-1961, Foxy-1895, Turkey-1927) This has been the Bees Knees, the Cat's Pajamas, but I've got to 23-skidoo, or my husband will 86 me ....... I'll send you the article if you'd like. His writing sounds like you. Is that an oxymoron? Can writing have sound? Peigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > Hi peigi [How's the Big Apple this winter?] > > We had noticed the link to "hen", a term of endearment throughout parts > of Scotland and northern England. > > Looks good to me but I await "corrections from the peer review! > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "peigi mulligan" <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > > > > Ray, > > A friend from Ullapool, originally from Govan, uses the term 'hen', > > 'wee > > hen' as an endearment. (I'm not short nor plump.) > > So, the definitions you propose would make sense in that context. > > Thanks for all the work you have done on your site, > > Peigi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Hennessy" <rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk> > > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:02 AM > > Subject: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > > > > > >> Hi List > >> > >> We've done a lot of searching for the origin of Bunty since Anne > >> Burgess > >> first raised the name nearly 3 weeks ago. > >> > >> Several people have said they know Bunty used for various "real > >> names" > >> with no obvious link. > >> > >> Anyway there seem to be these possible derivations: > >> > >> 1. "to Bunt" = to butt gently, like a lamb. [Sh. Oxfd Dict'y] > >> 2. "buntin" = a bantam [Scottish names definitions] > >> 3. "buntin" = Scottish, term of endearment for a short plump person > >> [1665, Sh Oxfd Dict'y] > >> 4. "buntie" = a hen with a rump [!] or a short plump person under 20 > >> [Lanarkshire & Aberdeenshire names] > >> > >> Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this debate. I've updated > >> the > >> website. > >> > >> Happy New Year > >> > >> Ray Hennessy > >> http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > >> If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > > found > > at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >> > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. > > The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or > > established lister. > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi List We've done a lot of searching for the origin of Bunty since Anne Burgess first raised the name nearly 3 weeks ago. Several people have said they know Bunty used for various "real names" with no obvious link. Anyway there seem to be these possible derivations: 1. "to Bunt" = to butt gently, like a lamb. [Sh. Oxfd Dict'y] 2. "buntin" = a bantam [Scottish names definitions] 3. "buntin" = Scottish, term of endearment for a short plump person [1665, Sh Oxfd Dict'y] 4. "buntie" = a hen with a rump [!] or a short plump person under 20 [Lanarkshire & Aberdeenshire names] Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this debate. I've updated the website. Happy New Year Ray Hennessy http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html

Karen wrote: > In your estimate, what % of people registered births/marriages with > the parish? 100%, 90%, 50%? Nobody knows. It's a bit like saying "be sure and let me know if you don't get this letter". But there are just two many complaints in the records that "the registers have been imperfectly kept" or "persons are not registering the baptisms of their children" for us to believe that the OPRs are ever anything but fragmentary. > Did only pious church-going folk do it or was everyone pious and > church going in rural Scotland? I don't think piety had much to do with it. I suspect that, in many cases, neither the congregation nor the minister really saw much point to the exercise. In a small community, everyone knew who had married whom, and who had a child baptised last year. > Also, if you were from Botriphnie but married a woman in a neighboring > parish, would you most likely be registered in the parish of the > bride? In such cases, it was quite common to register a marriage in both parishes - if you were "into" registering at all, that is. > I have looked at all the Innes from the Botriphnie parish records but > at a certain point it becomes a guessing game as to who are David > Innes' (b. 1783) parents. There were 3 generations of David's in my > line, stopping with him. [He married Jean MacWilliam (b. abt 1787).] That's what happens to us all, I'm afraid. We often hear of "brick walls" preventing further genealogical progress, but in my experience, the more usual end of the story is a multiplicty of people with the right name and of approximately the right age, and no way of telling which one might be "ours". Have you investigated the Kirk Session records? There are Minutes covering 1729-1833 (with possible gaps) and Accounts for 1774-1829. These sometimes include a note of payments for reading the proclamations of marriage, or fines for Fornication, and can sometimes fill in gaps in the record. Gavin Bell

Ray, A friend from Ullapool, originally from Govan, uses the term 'hen', 'wee hen' as an endearment. (I'm not short nor plump.) So, the definitions you propose would make sense in that context. Thanks for all the work you have done on your site, Peigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re:[MORAY] Bunty > Hi List > > We've done a lot of searching for the origin of Bunty since Anne Burgess > first raised the name nearly 3 weeks ago. > > Several people have said they know Bunty used for various "real names" > with no obvious link. > > Anyway there seem to be these possible derivations: > > 1. "to Bunt" = to butt gently, like a lamb. [Sh. Oxfd Dict'y] > 2. "buntin" = a bantam [Scottish names definitions] > 3. "buntin" = Scottish, term of endearment for a short plump person > [1665, Sh Oxfd Dict'y] > 4. "buntie" = a hen with a rump [!] or a short plump person under 20 > [Lanarkshire & Aberdeenshire names] > > Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this debate. I've updated the > website. > > Happy New Year > > Ray Hennessy > http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Looking for descendants of George REID, baptised at Rathven Parish on 21 Feb., 1803 and born in Buckie. His parents were Alexander REID and Jean GARDNER. Jean's surname could also be GARDIN, GARDEN, OR GORDEN I'm fairly sure that George is a brother of my gr gr grandfather, William REID. Alex Davidson

Hi The Parish map published by the Aberdeen & North East Scotland FHS shows that the Parish Records for Botriphnie date from 1693 through to 1854 for births and marriages but there are no death records. Hugh Wallis indicates in his website that the IGI Batches cover the same period but that there is a gap between 1693 and 1726 for births and 1692 and 1730 for marriages. I have not checked this but according to these sources you should be able to find information prior to 1810. However, please remember that these are the Parish Records maintained by the Established Church (The Church of Scotland) and many births and marriages are not recorded where the individuals were of a different denomination albeit they were supposed to inform the Parish. Ian A C Scott

In your estimate, what % of people registered births/marriages with the parish? 100%, 90%, 50%? Did only pious church-going folk do it or was everyone pious and church going in rural Scotland? Also, if you were from Botriphnie but married a woman in a neighboring parish, would you most likely be registered in the parish of the bride? I have looked at all the Innes from the Botriphnie parish records but at a certain point it becomes a guessing game as to who are David Innes' (b. 1783) parents. There were 3 generations of David's in my line, stopping with him. [He married Jean MacWilliam (b. abt 1787).] Thank you for all your info and help. I belong to a few list-serv's on the web and this one is by far the most informative and on-topic list. Kudos to the moderator and contributors! Karen IACSCOTT@aol.com wrote: Hi The Parish map published by the Aberdeen & North East Scotland FHS shows that the Parish Records for Botriphnie date from 1693 through to 1854 for births and marriages but there are no death records. Hugh Wallis indicates in his website that the IGI Batches cover the same period but that there is a gap between 1693 and 1726 for births and 1692 and 1730 for marriages. I have not checked this but according to these sources you should be able to find information prior to 1810. However, please remember that these are the Parish Records maintained by the Established Church (The Church of Scotland) and many births and marriages are not recorded where the individuals were of a different denomination albeit they were supposed to inform the Parish. Ian A C Scott ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Karen wrote: > I just happened to be nosing around the internet and came back to > genuki's pages for the parish of Botriphnie. Nice to hear these come in useful! > I looked at the entry from the Statistical Account and it lists > W. Masson as the reverend of the parish in 1841. > Perhaps that is a clue??? I think it's probably just a coincidence. I don't know the Rev. Masson's history, but it is more than likely that he came from somewhere outside the parish, and obeyed a "call" to come and minister to it, so I don't think he would have been there long enough to give his name to any dwelling. In any case, the Manse and Masson Lodge are in different parts of the parish. However, I took a look at the (Old or Original) Statistical Account, which was written about 50 years earlier than the New Statistical Account you refer to. In this, the then Minister (Mr Angus) states that there are no fewer than 12 masons (meaning tradesmen) in the parish: "The latter are not much employed within the parish; but they find work in the southern counties, and reside here in the winter." So perhaps there was some sort of masons' colony - although whether this would have involved funny handshakes and rolled-up trouser-legs it is difficult to say. By 1851, the number of masons has dwindled to just 3, scattered around the parish. Gavin Bell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Anderson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1140.1.2 Message Board Post: I was just looking at the branches I have not researched and the name Margaret is very common in my family. It could be a possible relative from an unresearched branch. Let me know if she died after 1855. If so then you can get a hold of the record. Charles

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Anderson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1140.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the posting but I don't think it is the same person. I have researched that branch to present day. Do you have a death record for your Margaret Anderson? If you can get ahold of a death record you can find out the parents, spouse name, and children's name. Thanks again for the reply. Charles

Bill wrote: > could "Masson Lodge" refer to dwelling which had, at some > point, been used as a hall for Masonic meetings? Possible. But I don't know how thick Masonic Lodges were on the ground in rural Banffshire. And the evidence so far makes any association with the name Masson or Mason a bit tenuous. In 1841, the shoemaker was admittedly at "Masson Lodge", but in 1851, the same shoemaker lives at "Broomhill", while in 1861, a different shoemaker lives at plain "Lodge" The consistency of the surrounding placenames make it fairly likely that these are just different labels for the same address. > In some family correspondence from this time period, I have seen > "Mason" (mis?)spelt as "Masson." In older records, you will find Masson, Masone, Meason, Measone, Meassoun, Meson interchangeably used as both the proper name and the trade. MASSON is still the preferred form of the surname in the northeast, on the evidence of the Aberdeen phone book, where MASSON outnumbers MASON by over 6 to 1. Gavin Bell

Further to Laura's "party": Like Ian, I had not come across the term, but a quick look in the "Concise Scots Dictionary" finds: "pairty: a person proposed or intended as a marriage partner; a lover". Gavin Bell

Good Morning Ann We'll be burning the symbolic clavi again. You probably have a houseful the day, but I'm sure you'll find time to check email. I've found some more on Lambert also, some I may have given you, some I'll bring with me: Martin Lambert mar Florence Elizabeth Carr 20 Ap 1886 in Suffolk, his father Loftus Lambert, her father James Carr. (parish registers) It is always possible there were more than one couple with those names, but until further info leads us somewhere else, that's what I'm using. Note that gt'grandfather Martin and Florence married in 1886 and grandfather Martin's birth of abt 1885 Burghead is questionable as being there, especially since you found the 1891 census. So I followed the Loftus lead and found: 1881 Census Kirkley, Suffolk Co Loftus, widower, 45, shopkeeper Catherine 16 George 15 Harriett 12 MaryAnn 7 Alice 5 Emma 4 1881 Census Kirkley, Suffolk Co MaryAnn 40 widow James I 15 (could have been a misprinted L) Florence E 12 Alice M 8 Jessie L 3 I also found: Florence Carr, chr 20 Jun 1869 Pakefield, Suffolk, to James & MaryAnn; Bishop's transcripts, Church of England, Archdeaconry of Suffolk. James Lambert Carr chr 17 Dec 1865 Kirkley, Suffolk, same source. I'll see you next week. This week past my aunt was in hospital again, my sister is in hospital for surgery, and my birthday. Been hectic. Peigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANN STEWART" <annieskilts@yahoo.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] DAVIDSON/MCPHERSON/MAIN/RALPH > Hi Peigi, Happy New Year, I just found Martin James Lambert my grandfather in the 1891 Cencus at age 4 Born in Lowestoft Norfolk England, Parents Martin Lambert and Florence Carr. I then found Florence Carr in the same town in an earlier Cencus she was aged 2,so I am getting there. her mother is in the cencus too.I just started this searching and am getting Hooked!!! Ann > > peigi mulligan <pmulligan@hvc.rr.com> wrote:While much of the recent discussion is on Davidson, I thought I'd add the line I'm working on. > I've had such success with other lines of the family, I'm hoping the same will occur with this line, reacquainting my friend Ann with more cousins. > > To date, she and I have primarily used the Elgin Library and the IGI. While I've used scotlandspeople, I've been waiting for the earlier census', and will go back on there soon. > > Mary or Margaret DAVIDSON, b abt 1820, Hopeman, parents, I believe, Donald or Daniel DAVIDSON & JANET MAIN. > She married in 1842 WILLIAM MCPHERSON, b abt 1816. > William and Mary had a daughter Mary, b abt 1848 Hopeman, who married in 1872 Duffus, James Ralph b 1848 (son of Donald Ralph & Ann Main). > James and Mary had a daughter Ann b 1872 Hopeman, married 1894 William Main b 1865 Burghead. > William and Ann Main had a daughter Jessie Ann Main b 1909 Burghead. > > If I were to give a dinner in 1890-early 1900's Burghead, I'd like to invite anyone who remembers any of the Lamberts. We seem to be stuck finding genealogic information Martin Lambert 3rd's grandparents: > Martin 3rd: b 1910 Hopeman, married Jessie Ann Main, d 1962, son of > Martin 2nd b abt 1885 ?, married Magdalene Murray, d 1969, son of > 1st Martin b? d? married Florence Kerr. > > Cheers, > Peigi > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi everyone, Some of my sources have indicated that my Innes line lived in the parish of Botriphnie at least since 1770's or so, however, I have not been able to find any parish birth/marriage records before 1810 or so. Those of you who are familiar with the history of the area: is there a clue as to why this is the case? Thanks, Karen Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> wrote: Karen wrote: > I just happened to be nosing around the internet and came back to > genuki's pages for the parish of Botriphnie. Nice to hear these come in useful! > I looked at the entry from the Statistical Account and it lists > W. Masson as the reverend of the parish in 1841. > Perhaps that is a clue??? I think it's probably just a coincidence. I don't know the Rev. Masson's history, but it is more than likely that he came from somewhere outside the parish, and obeyed a "call" to come and minister to it, so I don't think he would have been there long enough to give his name to any dwelling. In any case, the Manse and Masson Lodge are in different parts of the parish. However, I took a look at the (Old or Original) Statistical Account, which was written about 50 years earlier than the New Statistical Account you refer to. In this, the then Minister (Mr Angus) states that there are no fewer than 12 masons (meaning tradesmen) in the parish: "The latter are not much employed within the parish; but they find work in the southern counties, and reside here in the winter." So perhaps there was some sort of masons' colony - although whether this would have involved funny handshakes and rolled-up trouser-legs it is difficult to say. By 1851, the number of masons has dwindled to just 3, scattered around the parish. Gavin Bell ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

To all you lovely, helpful folks with N.E. Scottish ancestors, A Happy and Peaceful New Year! At last the What's In A Name website is ready for initial release following a lot of redesign. http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html If you've not seen a pre-release version, now much changed, this is what it's about. The site initially covers mainly older Scottish Forenames. It includes: meanings of names, in so far as they are known, synonyms [Elizabeth=Isobel, etc], some foreign & Gaelic equivalents, pet names [=nick-names], diminutives and abbreviations, a few "significant" surnames, but not too many! and notes from various sources, especially from members of the Exchange groups. We have already helped several family researchers to find ancestors in Census and OPR indexes where pet names or unusual abbreviations have been used, so we know it can help. Thanks to everyone who has provided information and anecdotes. We've tried to incorporate all of them, with acknowledgement, but one or two of the earliest ones have slipped in. Sorry about that. And special thanks to all who saw the pre-release version & have helped us improve the appearance and content. There's lots more to do but we do like a challenge. We wouldn't be family genealogists otherwise. Please have a look and let us know what you think. We'd really like to know what anyone would want added. Anecdotes, additions and corrections equally gratefully received. Hope you all find in 2005 that irritating link that's eluded you for ages! Best wishes Ray Hennessy http://www.whatsinaname.net/index.html PS: We drafted the above note before Christmas. Now our thoughts and hopes are mainly with the people suffering the terrible consequences of the tsunami in Asia and the families of those tourists who are missing so far from home. Just think, a tiny proportion of the amount spend globally on armaments could provide immense relief. We can but wish that the world will change to embracing all-inclusive co-operative action. In sadness, but always hoping for a better world. Ray & Sheena