G'day Cobbers, I have reason to believe that John McLEAN b. 08 Sep 1867, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland [Parents: Charles & Mary (nee CLARK) McLEAN], is to be found in the Elgin area, where he was living, working and possibly died. I don't know if he married or if he had any children. Any information or assistance with my g-g uncle would be greatly appreciated. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7736 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

In a message dated 13/01/2005 01:39:47 GMT Standard Time, jazzthirty@aol.com writes: . Plus the only records before 1855 tha you can find are the death records which give birth dates before the year of 1855. The one bad thing is before 1855 all records were parish church records and many churchs caught fire. The other bad thing is the UK has the 100yr privacy law. Here in USA it is 75yrs. Good luck with your research. I am amazed at the statements made in this section of your message. While you are correct in stating that the only records available for easy research on the Internet for the period prior to 1855 are the Old Parish Records maintained by the Established Church it is incorrect to state that these only give deaths. The opposite is the case as many of these parish records contain no death records at all and where they do they simply record the date of death (or burial in the Churchyard) with no other information than the individuals name i.e. there is no mention of their age or parents. Births may be recorded as a birth or a christening or sometimes the entry gives the dates of both events. It is also quite common to find that where the child being baptised belonged to the family of the Minister, schoolmaster or some other person of high standing the record will give more information than is normally seen. However most will give the names of the witnesses who may or may not be related but very often have the same forename as the child. Entries relating to marriages may simply be the record of the banns being called and will seldom show more than the names of the parties intending to be married and the Parish of their residence. If the individuals lived in different Parishes then it is likely the Proclamation of the Banns would be recorded in both Parishes. However, you can find in some cases that words indicating a marriage actually followed the Proclamation were added. While a closed period of 100 years applies to some areas it is incorrect to imply that all records are closed for that period. All Census returns and details are closed and the next release will be the census for 1911 in 2012. Births, Marriages and Deaths up to more or less the present time can be examined at New Register House, Edinburgh but there are restrictions applicable to Internet Access although these only apply to Statutory Registers. Birth indexes from 1855 to 1903, Marriages from 1855 to 1928 and deaths from 1855 to 1953 may all be searched online and in most cases images of the entries can be downloaded. Therefore while a 100 year closure (on the Internet) operates for births this reduces to 75 years for marriages and 50 years for deaths but I believe that consideration is being given to making the index up to date available but probably not the images. I have not heard it suggested before that records were not available/lost as a result of churches being destroyed by fire but it is true to say that because of poor care many have been lost or are in very poor condition. That said it has to be remembered it is generally acknowledged that there were very many events which were not recorded, at all, for various reasons such as the individuals involved belonged to a different religious denomination, fees payable etc. You can find records for religious denominations other than the Church of Scotland in the National Archives of Scotland in General Register House and, in time, these might become available online as the proposed new Scottish Family History Service gets under way. It is planned to have this fully operational in 2006 and will bring together the services provided by The National Archives of Scotland, General Register Office for Scotland and the Court of the Lord Lyon. The information currently available on _www.scottishdocuments.com_ (http://www.scottishdocuments.com) will also be available from the new service. For the period from 1855 you will find the records easy to follow and the most satisfactory way is to start from yourself and work backwards in time. Your own parents marriage will give their ages, date and place of marriage, their parents names (including your mother's maiden name), The Clergyman and the names of the witnesses (and maybe their addresses). Deaths will give the names of the parents of the deceased, his/her age, the cause of death, place it occurred, the doctor in attendance (if there was one), the name of the person registering the death and for some years the place of burial. Births give much the same sort of information regarding parents but if you are lucky enough to find a birth in 1855 you will learn how many children there were to the marriage and how many were surviving at the time as well as their sex. The indexes to the Old Parish Records can also be searched online but, at present, there are no images available. The search facilities are available at _www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk_ (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk) and the cost is £6.00 Stg for 30 credits available for 168 hours. I hope this goes some way to clarifying the position. Ian A C Scott

I have some Russells but about 100 years later than you are searching. However, I would mention that Moray is a mainland county not an island. Ian A C Scott

Alexander Duffus b: 1778/d:12 December, 1852 (a farmer in Elgin) Married 24 March, 1813 to Jean Anderson b: 1783/ d:10 November, 1848 Their children were: James, b:1813 d:1886 Alexander, b:1815 d:1897 John b:1820 d:1836 Elizabeth b:1828 d:1892 .......................................................................... Alexander Duffus b:1750 (a farmer at The Mains of Findrassie) Married Elizabeth Anderson ............................................................................ Gordon Duffus

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Russell, Carson, Davis, Bost, Purviance Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1258 Message Board Post: Looking for any information on the Robert Russell family from the Isle of Moray around 1700's. They were in Ireland in 1733 where a child, James, was born. Other known children were William and John. This family arrived in PA around 1745 and by 1750 were in NC. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Anderson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/157.942.1.1.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Looks like your research is coming along. I would think most of your ancestors you have found you could find the actually death records. Once I found the death records I was able to find their children as well as the parents, and sometimes the marriage an birth dates. Once you have thesse dates then you can find hometowns, census records which will lead you to children and their ages. My problem is that my family lived in Rothes Scotland and the ones we can't find were the ones that moved away. Plus the only records before 1855 tha you can find are the death records which give birth dates before the year of 1855. The one bad thing is before 1855 all records were parish church records and many churchs caught fire. The other bad thing is the UK has the 100yr privacy law. Here in USA it is 75yrs. Good luck with your research.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1257 Message Board Post: Researching James McKenzie a Stonemason, married Margaret Davidson 1822 Keith Moray. Sons Alexander who may have married in London 1845, James and William. Stephanie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1090.1.1 Message Board Post: No MacDonalds in my line yet <g> Julia. The Catholic registers for Chapeltown in Glenlivet are available at the NESFamily History Center in Grantown and Elgin and they will do a search for you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1255.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for taking the trouble to look up the information Graeme and also the link to the local heritage site. I will be visiting the area in May and have the Heritage Centre,(or the library if Grant Lodge is still closed),on my list of places to visit. My primary interest is to try to gather further details on my great,great grandfather Alexander Cameron and his wife Anne Miller who was a "subtenant in Little Darkland" in 1825.Other sources of information have dried up and so I was pleased to see the extensive resources available at the Centre.Hopefully, my journey will be productive! Your help is appreciated. Ian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1255.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I'm not related to the family, Ian. I recognised the family and checked Moray Council's local heritage service database which acts as an index to gravestones, newspapers, archives etc. relating to Moray. The index (Libindx) isn't available online yet although hopefully this will change in the next couple of months. A more detailed description of the local heritage service resources can be found in http://www.moray.org/LocalHeritage/index.html I wish you success in your research. Graeme

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/867.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I am a descendant of the youngs from the stotfield disaster on my father's side but george murray was also a great uncle of my mother, so I have relations on both sides. M father is James Davidson Young born 1926 and my uncle is Charles Young, my aunt is Jessie Young and my other uncle deceased was William Young as well as my aunt deceased Margaretr Young

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/994.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Enjoyed the info... I am a young from Hopeman and descendant from the sons that Margaret Edwards took with her.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cameron Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1255.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Graeme, Thanks very much for the information,it's a pity they died so young but that just leaves James to find. What was the source of these details? Is it a line you're following? Thanks again, Ian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1255.1 Message Board Post: Samuel Cameron died on 27 January 1908 at 3 Braco Street, Keith. His brother Tommy died at the same address on 11 July 1904.

My very belated thanks for your information Jo-Ann , it does help! Jean jecroft@att.net wrote: >Here are the children of John STEWART and Helen REID listed in the on-line IGI at >http://www.familysearch.org : > >All registered at Rathven > >Margaret, ch 17 January 1802 >Elspet, ch 12 August 1804 >James, ch 27 July 1806 >Alexander, ch 25 September 1808 >John, ch 08 June 1811 >William, ch 13 January 1814 >Joseph, ch 22 September 1822 >Isabel, ch 07 December 1825 >====================== > >And the family in the 1841 cenus from http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl >Peter would seem to be one of the possible births missing between William and Joseph. >With the rounding down of the ages in the 1841 census, John would be between 60-64 and Helen 50-54, that might help narrow down the search for their births. > >Piece: SCT1841/164 Place: Rathven-Banffshire Enumeration District: 5 >Civil Parish: Rathven Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Quoad Sacra Buckie >Folio: 5 Page: 6 >Address: Nether Buckie >Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks >STEWART John M 60 Seaman Banffshire >STEWART Helen F 50 Banffshire >STEWART William M 25 Banffshire >STEWART Peter M 20 Banffshire >STEWART Joseph M 15 Banffshire >STEWART Isabella F 15 Banffshire >GEDDES Margaret F 20 Banffshire >=========================== > >-- >Jo-Ann Croft > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >" Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: ANDERSON/ORR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1256 Message Board Post: Does anyone have a John ORR Anderson in their family history. We have been trying to establish when he came to Canada. We think it was in the early part of 1900's but todate have not established this. Thankyou, Lorne and Judy Anderson South Surrey, B.C. Canada lorneanderson@shaw.ca

Hello, Looking for origins of Catherine Gillon who married Alexander MacRae in Inverness in 1841. I understand there where both Gillon and MacRae families in the Moray area but cannot locate them. Their daughter, Catherine married James Robb (grandson of William Robb of Kirkhill, Alves, Moray) in Dalkieth, Jan 3 1867 and became my great grand parents. Can you assist me? Best regards, Pat Blend

> This confirms something I've been looking at. The reference books say > Caitlin is the Irish form of Kathleen and Catherine is an anglicised > version. > > Its good to know that Catherine was also known as Kathleen. I've added it > to my database so the synonym may help others. You don't happen to know > if there was any Irish connection, do you. I'd like to know. I also have one who is variously recorded as Kathleen and Catherine. She was born in the mid-18th century and has no Irish connections as far as I am aware. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//BgC.2ACI/1255 Message Board Post: Does anyone have any information on the following children of Thomas Cameron and Isabella McLean who married in 1883?: James McLean Cameron b. 7/3/1884 in Perth Thomas Cameron b. 27/12/1889 in Keith,Banff Samuel Alexander Spence Cameron b.28/7/1900 in Keith, Banff. Thanks.

I'm interested in the names Hutchison/Hutchinson, Williamson & Croll. My Hutchison/Williamson are from Elgin area, Croll from around Kincardine area. Regards. Jan Jan Bell Newsdesk1_2000@yahoo.co.uk Newsdesk1@excite.com --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!