Sorry if I took so long to anser you. Only this morning did I locate two Mackenzie's in the Protestant cemetery of Montreal. The date shown is the date of burial. Any possability that 1958 is the one. Let me know. William Norena Sarah Mackenzie MABEL SARAH MACKENZIE (06/03/1958) SARAH MORRISON MACKENZIE (27/07/1881) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ferguson" <pbi@austarnet.com.au> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's > Hi William, > > I had another look at my records and the newspaper obit. says Norena Sarah > Mackenzie was buried in Park Lawn (?). The clipping is a faxed photocopy > and difficult to read. > > She never married. She was Presbyterian. > > She was born in Teeswater Ontario 13 Jul 1897 and died Montreal (I assume) > 15 Jan 1959. Her parents were John Murdoch Mackenzie and Eva Gertrude > Robins. > > She was the Director of Nursing in Montreal's Jewish General Hospital. > Prior to that she was the Director of Nursing Education in Montreal > General Hospital. Served in Italy during WWII with Canadian Red Cross and > afterwards with UNRRA. She was a graduate of McGill University. > > Thank you for your interest and assistance > > Best regards > > Peter Ferguson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's > > >> Hi Peter. This is William in Montreal. >> >> There are hundreds of McKenzie's buried in Montreal's two main >> cemeteries. One being RC and the other Protestant. >> >> Is there in other information that you might be able to give me? >> >> As an example, was this Norina, Sarah McKenzie maiden name. Was she >> married and to whom? >> >> Did she have any other names such as Elizabeth etc. Any idea where she >> lived? >> >> You see, the RC cemetery has over 1 million buried there and the >> Protestant over 700,000. >> >> William >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Ferguson" <pbi@austarnet.com.au> >> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's >> >> >>>I would be most grateful if you could check the Montreal cemeteries for >>>my aunt Norena Sarah Mackenzie. She died on 13 Jan 1959. >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Peter Ferguson >>> In sunny NSW Australia >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <WSinnW@aol.com> >>> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's >>> >>> >>>> There are a few McKenzie's in both of Montreal's major cemeteries. >>>> >>>> Here is a partial list of the names you mentioned. >>>> >>>> James McKenzie >>>> >>>> JAMES KENNETH MCKENZIE (08/04/1956) >>>> GEORGE JAMES MCKENZIE (13/12/1965) >>>> JAMES MCKENZIE (03/08/1915) >>>> JAMES (DAUG. OF) MCKENZIE (24/05/1913) >>>> JAMES HUGH MCKENZIE (07/08/1955) >>>> JAMES STUART MCKENZIE (09/05/1908) >>>> JAMES MCKENZIE (29/08/1860) >>>> JAMES MCKENZIE (07/03/1874) >>>> JAMES DIACK MCKENZIE (12/05/1928) >>>> JAMES MCKENZIE (14/08/1947) >>>> JAMES MCKENZIE (13/11/1958) >>>> WILLIAM JAMES MCKENZIE (30/12/1877) >>>> JAMES KENNETH MCKENZIE (02/10/1967) >>>> JAMES SIME MCKENZIE (13/11/1922) >>>> >>>> Catherine McKenzie ( I assume it is her married name. Do you have >>>> her >>>> maiden name ) >>>> >>>> CATHERINE AUSTIN MCKENZIE ( 26/01/1896 ) >>>> CATHERINE MCKENZIE ( 21/03/1863 ) >>>> >>>> Both of Montreal's cemeteries were started in about 1850. At that time >>>> one >>>> was Roman Catholic and the other Protestant. Today they are both >>>> Interdenominational. I you are able to give me more specific >>>> information it would be >>>> easier to find them. >>>> >>>> My preliminary findings indicate that we have found William, Mary and >>>> Agnes >>>> and this is to follow. >>>> >>>> Awaiting your reply >>>> >>>> William in montreal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>>> MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be >>>> transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in >>>> transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual >>>> email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the >>>> mailing list Admin. >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/262.321.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Mary I think your Isobel is a bit older than mine. MIne was born around 1818/19 and her dad was a Grocer. Mine never married but it didn't stop her having two kiddies both with different names, my ancestor Janet Simpson, and a son she called Alexander Ritchie. Regards Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/262.321.3.1.1 Message Board Post: What are the birth dates of your Smith's. It appears that as far as I can tell my John Smith born 1765 was a crofter. He had a daughter Isobel who was born 1791.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/262.321.3.1 Message Board Post: Hi Kathy Haven't searched the boards for ages, but VERY interested in your John Smith and Janet Reid. My ggg grandmother was Isabel/lla Smith, born around 1818/19 died 1903, on her death certificate it lists her father as John Smith (Grocer) and her mother as ---------- Reid. I would love to hear from you. Linda Canberra Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DAVID TURNER HORN AND WIFE MARY LUCILLE CHARLEVILLE IN MO. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1261 Message Board Post: I need any information on a David Turner Horn who married Mary Lucille Charleville in 1895 in St. Francois County, Mo. They had 11 children.

Gavin, Many thanks for your comment. Having checked my copy, I have now added the information - shame on the SAFHS for not including it as a note! I have found the book very useful for place-name spelling. To aid computer searching I use the book version as standard, and include other spellings as variations. I find that sometimes (often?!) parish names are quoted as place names, so the book comes in useful in deciding locations. This doesn't help of course where parish and place bear the same name. Kind regards, Pat POSTSCRIPT - Just to avoid queries SAFHS = Scottish Association of Family History Societies >Pat wrote: > Reference the recent postings, I have found the following publication > of great value. > "The Parishes, Registers & Registrars of Scotland" ISBN 1-874722-05-6, > published by the Scottish Association of Family History Societies. > I obtained my copy from the Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS No quarrel with that, but it is important to realise that the outline Parish maps in that volume reflect the counties and parishes as they were after the great re-alignment of 1891. Before that date, some counties and many parishes had significantly different boundaries, some of which can have a dramatic effect on where you might need to look for your ancestors. Gavin Bell ______________________________

Pat, here's a reprise of my posting 6-Oct-2004. This is not (so far as known) my line of Geddes. Regards Howard <start> "HANNAH MARGARET LORRAINE GEDDES said to have been b. 7-Jul-1834 Edinburgh, Scot. (More accurately in terms of date and place, Hannah Margaret Loraine Geddes was bpt 11-Sep-1839 Duns, Berwick, to William Geddes and Emma D'Ogle [sic] - per IGI) m. William Matthew DUNBAR Esq, 34th Regiment. b. abt1836, Ireland m. in St. Peters Episcopal Church, Lutton Place, Edinburgh. William was a Major in the 24th Regiment of Foot and Lieutenant Colonel of the 34th Regiment." Her parents are: "WILLIAM GEDDES b. 22-Jan-1794 Gilbraltar d. 21-Mar-1879 52 George Sq, Edinburgh, Scotland (his home), m. 15-May-1827 Dum Dum, Calcutta, West Bengal, India, EMMA D'OYLY." Start of his obit: "The late colonel Geddes, C.B. - A distinguished soldier and estimable citizen has passed from our midst, in the person of Colonel William Geddes, C.B., who died at his residence in George Square, on Friday, week, at the ripe age of 86 years. The father of the deceased officer, the late Dr. James Geddes, was a native of Forres; his mother being a daughter of the late Mr. James Loraine of Angelraw, Berwickshire. He was born at Gibraltar on the 22nd January, 1794, at which time his father held the post of surgeon to the forces on this British stronghold....." Per IGI, "James Geddes m Wilelmina Lorane" 18-Feb-1790 Edinburgh Parish. I don't have more on the Dunbar family apart from the 1881 census details. But I can submerge you off-list with all the information on these Geddeses, but it's probably more than you'll ever want! Most information has come from Lolly Fendall, who is a descendant of this Geddes line. Details are also on http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gaddis/, but differ in some respects. I got involved in this avenue of research through Alexander Noble GEDDES surgeon in Portsoy. His line certainly leads back towards Forres (at least as far as Elgin where his father was "supervisor of excise in Elgin"), but there is no evidence that the two families connect (despite above website). I have been trying to establish the parentage of one James GEDDES (h/o Mary SIM) who by all logic ought to be 'one of mine' being a fully paid up member of farmfolk; he is provably not the s/o Alexander Noble GEDDES despite what has been recorded in one or two places. The Orton GEDDESes mentioned in my recent posting are as likely as not connected to these Loraine and Noble strains. <end>

Hello Listers, I have an ancestor who was a Merchant and Baillie in Elgin. At various times he occupied the positions of Dean of Guild, Hospital Master, Sheriff Substitute of Elgin, Treasurer of Kirk Session and Kirk Elder. Can someone please explain the position of Dean of Guild in Elgin. I have consulted the Occupations list on Scottish Documents, but am unsure whether this Guild would have been related to his profession or trade as a Merchant, or whether there was a separate Guild in Elgin associated with the Church or the legal fraternity. Kind regards, Denise Thompson

A while back I mentioned that I was able to access two of Montreal's main cemeteries. Below is a list of the Innesses & McInnes buried in the Protestant cemetery. Hope this helps you The dates are the dates of burial. William JULIA INNES (19/04/1990) MARGUERITE MACINNES (04/01/1991) JAMES WALTER MACINNES (14/01/1998) Margaret Innes (12/05/2001) Doris Mary Elizabeth Innes (29/11/2002) ARTHUR WILLIAM INNES (08/09/1941) JACK LEONARD INNES (26/12/1970) JEANIE INNES (27/04/1939) LILLIAN INNES (13/08/1971) MARGARET INNES (04/07/1868) MARION INNES (15/03/1964) NORA FRANCES INNES (16/05/1980) PEARL PAULINE INNES (06/05/1982) THOMAS INNES (09/07/1964) WILLIAM (DAUG. OF) INNES (28/07/1867) WILLIAM (DAUG. OF) INNES (18/08/1868) MARGUERITE MACINNES (04/01/1991) THOMAS ROBERT LOFTUS MACINNES (20/05/1952) HARRY WYLIE MCINNES (02/08/1979) LOUIS NAPOLEON MCINNES (20/09/1951) WILLIAM MCINNES (04/01/1974) JAMES INNES (22/10/1918) WALTER (DAUG. OF) MACINNES (19/07/1934) WILLIAM ROBERT MACINNES (25/06/1942) JONATHAN MCINNES (14/08/1945) MARY JEAN MCINNES (06/10/1937) JAMES INNES (12/05/1916) ROBINA MC INNES (16/11/1916) ALLISTER MILTON INNES (09/04/1917) ISABELLA WATSON INNES (23/05/1959) P.H. (DAUG.OF) MC INNES (02/04/1912) EMMA MACINNES (28/05/1921) WILLIAM ROBERT CAMPB MACINNES (06/09/1949) DIANA URSULA GUINNESS (20/07/1952) ALEXANDER (SON OF) INNES (30/06/1939) MARY MCINNES (29/01/1974) ALLAN HARRY INNES (22/09/1986) EVALINE ALBERTA INNES (22/01/1964) JANET INNES (14/10/1911) ALEXANDER (DAUGHTER INNES (27/02/1872) MARGARET ANN NEVINS MCINNES (28/01/1860) MARY IDA MCINNES (15/03/1868) REBECCA FLORENCE GRA MCGUINNESS (07/09/1896) ANTHONY MCGUINNESS (26/10/1884) REBECCA WILLIAMSON MCGUINNESS (18/09/1889) JANET WILSON INNES (17/03/1889) CATHERINE INNES (08/03/1918) CHARLES ALEXANDER INNES (12/08/1945) GEORGE WILLIAM JAMES INNES (24/04/1916) JAMES INNES (18/10/1928) JAMES THOMAS INNES (21/11/1868) JANE INNES (13/08/1862) JEMINA SHANK INNES (01/09/1859) MARGARET ARMSTRONG INNES (05/09/1862) EDWARD MC INNES (30/03/1913) MARY JANE ANDERSON MCINNES (27/10/1884) WILLIAM MC INNES (10/12/1881) ANN JANE GARDNER MCINNES (07/03/1897) ANNABELLA MCINNES (19/04/1941) DUNCAN MC INNES (08/11/1913) WALTER MCINNES (09/04/1938) JAMES ALFRED INNES (14/05/1885) ALEXANDER MCINNES (02/10/1861) MARY MCINNES (17/01/1905) EDITH MAY MC INNES (15/09/1920) WILLIAM (CHILD OF) MC INNES (15/06/1909) WILLIAM CHARLES MC INNES (09/04/1915) MARGARET INNES (17/09/1980) WILLIAM INNES (10/09/1959) ANNIE MC INNES (28/07/1908) ARTHUR WILLIAM INNES (21/08/1914) ARCHIE MC INNES (03/05/1912) EDITH MAY MC INNES (08/11/1912) CHRISTINA BLAKEY INNES (23/10/1918) GRACE INNES (09/04/1963) JOHN LAWLOR INNES (14/07/1964) MARY EVA INNES (18/07/1923) REGINALD ARTHUR INNES (28/10/1918) ALEXANDER WILSON INNES (03/07/1868) JESSIE ANN INNES (07/05/1871) WILLIAM (DAUG.OF) MC INNES (05/01/1921) ALEXANDER MACINNES (29/12/1952) CATHERINE MACINNES (07/05/1945) IRENE HAZEL MCINNES (20/05/1975) LILLIAN GRACE MCINNES (14/02/1941) WILLIAM MCINNES (26/05/1959) ALEXANDER MACINNES (03/12/1962) DUNCAN MACINNES (17/02/1988) ALLAN MCDOUGALL MACINNES (21/04/1946) BERTHA INNES (29/11/1958) CLARA ELIZABETH INNES (30/05/1946) LILLIAN OLGA MCINNES (05/02/1965) MARGARET INNES (04/12/1951) JAMES INNES (21/06/1874) MARY ANN INNES (20/07/1871) ARCHIBALD MCINNES (11/08/1879) ARCHIBALD FRANCIS MCINNES (11/02/1885) DUNCAN MCINNES (04/06/1871) ANGUS MCINNES (23/04/1882) ARCHIBALD HUGH MCINNES (19/01/1955) MCVICAR MARY MCINNES (17/10/1917) ELIZABETH INNES (15/09/1919) WILLIAM INNES (24/02/1908) SANDRA LEE MCINNES (11/02/1952) SUSAN MINNES (17/01/1955) ANNIE MAUD MC INNES (04/10/1922) WILLIAM ROBINSON MACINNES (07/05/1949) MARGARET FISHER MACINNES (16/10/1933) MARIA INNES (23/03/1938) MARIA INNES (23/03/1938) SARAH FARMER INNES (20/11/1933) EDITH PEARL MCINNES (25/12/1962) AGNES WYNESS INNES (03/11/1957) JAMES ALEXANDER INNES (30/09/1921) MARY MACINNES (15/08/1942) WALTER SCOTT MAC INNES (23/03/1921) FRANCES MCGUINNESS (14/07/1942) WILLIAM ANTHONY MCGUINNESS (24/10/1921) WILFREDA INNES (01/03/1939) WILFREDA INNES (01/03/1939) EDNA SARAH MACINNES (11/03/1953) JAMES ROMEO INNES (29/07/1942) SARAH ELIZA INNES (03/06/1935) ANN INNES (06/10/1944) ALLEN INNES (30/09/1978) RONALD KENNETH INNES (17/10/1981) ISABELLE INNES (09/06/1981) JULIA INNES (19/04/1990) DUNCAN MACINNES (23/09/1991) ISABEL MACINNES (29/12/1952) JEAN CAMERON MACINNES (26/12/1970) ELIZABETH MCINNES (06/03/1949) REBECCA MCINNES (19/08/1943) MARGARET BENEDICTA INNES-KER (17/08/1976) DONALD NORMAN MACINNES (16/12/1959) GERTRUDE MARY MACINNES (17/12/1961) WILLIAM ALLAN INNES (01/04/1913) WILLIAM ALLAN (SON O INNES (23/10/1914) WILLIAM ALLAN (DAUG INNES (30/12/1915) WILLIAM ALLAN (DAUG INNES (19/04/1917) ANNIE INNES (20/01/1911) WILLIAM MCINNES (27/04/1898) ELLEN MCRAE INNES (29/09/1872) ALEXANDER INNES (10/09/1873) WILLIAM MCINNES (29/06/1897) CATHERINE ALLAN INNES (08/03/1885) JAMES INNES (10/01/1866) JAMES REID INNES (22/11/1891) CATHERINE INNES (26/08/1970) ELSIE BLANCHE INNES (10/02/1972) JAMES INNES (16/07/1963) JEANIE INNES (14/09/1968) ISABELLA INNES (14/06/1963) WILLIAM GEORGE INNES (01/02/1901) MAUDE MCINNES (21/04/1898) HELEN GRACE MC INNES (24/06/1909) MARTHA MCINNES (28/04/1955)

Pat wrote: > Reference the recent postings, I have found the following publication > of great value. > "The Parishes, Registers & Registrars of Scotland" ISBN 1-874722-05-6, > published by the Scottish Association of Family History Societies. > I obtained my copy from the Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS No quarrel with that, but it is important to realise that the outline Parish maps in that volume reflect the counties and parishes as they were after the great re-alignment of 1891. Before that date, some counties and many parishes had significantly different boundaries, some of which can have a dramatic effect on where you might need to look for your ancestors. Gavin Bell

> Thought it better if I sent this in plain text for you Anne. At least you > will be able to read it right away. Yes, thank you. I did have a Plan B but it would have had to wait until this evening. Plain text is fine. > I forgot to add the family part of the census for George Cruickshank but I > believe you already have it Yes, thank you. > Cruickshank buried in the Protestant cemetery > MARJORIE EILEEN CRUICKSHANK (12/03/1999) > MILTON SAVAGE CRUICKSHANK (07/07/1999) > ANNIE CRUICKSHANK (05/06/1946) > GEORGE ALEXANDER CRUICKSHANK (24/06/1990) > LEONARD JAMES CRUICKSHANK (21/01/1913) > RUSSELL MATHESON CRUICKSHANK (16/06/1991) > FRANK CARIGIE CRUICKSHANK (18/01/1993) > BABY CRUICKSHANK (08/01/1996) > JAMES CRUICKSHANK (28/04/1959) > MARY ELLEN CRUICKSHANK (17/03/1935) > RALPH CRUICKSHANK (25/04/1896) > FRANCES MARY CRUICKSHANK (02/02/1966) > ELIZABETH TURNER CRUICKSHANK (06/11/1891) > CHARLES CRUICKSHANK (29/09/1907) > ANDREW CRUICKSHANK (22/05/1922) > MABEL BEATRICE CRUICKSHANK (05/06/1959) Well. The only George listed doesn't match the death date which I got from one of the local papers here. I had better check that again when I am in Elgin. Many thanks Anne

Hi Ray I know Alexr Cruickshank married Anne Mcdonald in Glenrinnes in 1832, they had about twelve children all born in Aberlour, Alexr was Born Inveravon 1805 to John Cruikshank, Janet Mcconachie, they married 1793, had about six children, Johns parents were James Cruikshank and Janet Black married 1763, John was born out of wedlock in 1761, James I am told but cannot confirm was born in Inveravon (about) 1738, but the only Cruikshank born in Inveravon on that date was a Peter, if you could help with any leads etc, it would be most appreciated, Thanks >From: Aberloursearch@aol.com >Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY] Cruikshank >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:49:31 EST > >Hello Willie, i have some information on your Aberlour families but don't >know where they came from before then, if you let me know what you have i >will >fill in any gaps for you. > >Regards ray > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The >archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established >lister. > >============================== >View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

> I have an ancestor who was a Merchant and Baillie in Elgin. At various > times he occupied the positions of Dean of Guild, Hospital Master, Sheriff > Substitute of Elgin, Treasurer of Kirk Session and Kirk Elder. > Can someone please explain the position of Dean of Guild in Elgin. I have > consulted the Occupations list on Scottish Documents, but am unsure > whether this Guild would have been related to his profession or trade as a > Merchant, or whether there was a separate Guild in Elgin associated with > the Church or the legal fraternity. The Dean of Guild was a burgh official. See http://www.angus.gov.uk/history/archives/gems/deanofguild.htm http://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/acc/YourCouncil/Departments/oce/Burgesses_of_Guild.asp Anne

Reference the recent postings, I have found the following publication of great value. "The Parishes, Registers & Registrars of Scotland" ISBN 1-874722-05-6, published by the Scottish Association of Family History Societies. I obtained my copy from the Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS Pat(rick) R. L. Dunbar RESEARCHING the DUNBAR name, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME Organiser, Dunbar Family Society (UK) Member - Guild of One-Name Studies, Aberdeen & N.E. Scotland FHS, Scottish Genealogy Society mailto:dunbar@one-name.org http://www.dunbarfamilysociety.org.uk (for family history information) http://www.debbiedunbar.net (for equestrian art)

Howard, Do you have any GEDDES/DUNBAR connections? I am particularly interested in family connections for Hannah Margaret Loraine GEDDES who married William Matthew DUNBAR. They appear in the 1881 census in Edinburgh. I have some information on the military career of W.M. but am looking to extend the family connections. Pat Pat(rick) R. L. Dunbar RESEARCHING the DUNBAR name, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME Organiser, Dunbar Family Society (UK) Member - Guild of One-Name Studies, Aberdeen & N.E. Scotland FHS, Scottish Genealogy Society mailto:dunbar@one-name.org http://www.dunbarfamilysociety.org.uk (for family history information) http://www.debbiedunbar.net (for equestrian art) -----Original Message----- From: Howard Geddes [mailto:hwg58lists@hwgeddes.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 14 January 2005 17:40 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] ROBERTSON Surname Greg, Ian Scott said: > George, Natural Son, to Peter Robertson, labourer, Bogmoor and Ann Mitchell > was born the 30th September 1841 and afterwards baptised. Witnesses George > Geddes and Charlotte Logie. I'm not researching the family either, but would this add anything? Might the witness George GEDDES above be this one below? "John Geddes Soldier (widower of Ann Gray) illegitimate, died age 85 13-3-1869 1.30am Bogmoor Bellie, of John Geddes and Catherine Ross. Cause: general debility several months, diarrhoea 8days. Informant: P--- George Geddes [signature - v poor - Private George Geddes?] son present." - GROdeath-1869-126(Bellie)-10. John Geddes was born 15-2-1787 / bpt 1787 Bellie, Moray to John Geddes and Katherine Rose (IGI: C111262). He married 2-2-1811 Bellie (M111262), had John 17-2-1814/1814, George 10-7-1816/1816 Bellie (C111262). Howard Geddes

Hi William, I had another look at my records and the newspaper obit. says Norena Sarah Mackenzie was buried in Park Lawn (?). The clipping is a faxed photocopy and difficult to read. She never married. She was Presbyterian. She was born in Teeswater Ontario 13 Jul 1897 and died Montreal (I assume) 15 Jan 1959. Her parents were John Murdoch Mackenzie and Eva Gertrude Robins. She was the Director of Nursing in Montreal's Jewish General Hospital. Prior to that she was the Director of Nursing Education in Montreal General Hospital. Served in Italy during WWII with Canadian Red Cross and afterwards with UNRRA. She was a graduate of McGill University. Thank you for your interest and assistance Best regards Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's > Hi Peter. This is William in Montreal. > > There are hundreds of McKenzie's buried in Montreal's two main cemeteries. > One being RC and the other Protestant. > > Is there in other information that you might be able to give me? > > As an example, was this Norina, Sarah McKenzie maiden name. Was she > married and to whom? > > Did she have any other names such as Elizabeth etc. Any idea where she > lived? > > You see, the RC cemetery has over 1 million buried there and the > Protestant over 700,000. > > William > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ferguson" <pbi@austarnet.com.au> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:18 PM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's > > >>I would be most grateful if you could check the Montreal cemeteries for my >>aunt Norena Sarah Mackenzie. She died on 13 Jan 1959. >> >> Best regards >> >> Peter Ferguson >> In sunny NSW Australia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <WSinnW@aol.com> >> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's >> >> >>> There are a few McKenzie's in both of Montreal's major cemeteries. >>> >>> Here is a partial list of the names you mentioned. >>> >>> James McKenzie >>> >>> JAMES KENNETH MCKENZIE (08/04/1956) >>> GEORGE JAMES MCKENZIE (13/12/1965) >>> JAMES MCKENZIE (03/08/1915) >>> JAMES (DAUG. OF) MCKENZIE (24/05/1913) >>> JAMES HUGH MCKENZIE (07/08/1955) >>> JAMES STUART MCKENZIE (09/05/1908) >>> JAMES MCKENZIE (29/08/1860) >>> JAMES MCKENZIE (07/03/1874) >>> JAMES DIACK MCKENZIE (12/05/1928) >>> JAMES MCKENZIE (14/08/1947) >>> JAMES MCKENZIE (13/11/1958) >>> WILLIAM JAMES MCKENZIE (30/12/1877) >>> JAMES KENNETH MCKENZIE (02/10/1967) >>> JAMES SIME MCKENZIE (13/11/1922) >>> >>> Catherine McKenzie ( I assume it is her married name. Do you have >>> her >>> maiden name ) >>> >>> CATHERINE AUSTIN MCKENZIE ( 26/01/1896 ) >>> CATHERINE MCKENZIE ( 21/03/1863 ) >>> >>> Both of Montreal's cemeteries were started in about 1850. At that time >>> one >>> was Roman Catholic and the other Protestant. Today they are both >>> Interdenominational. I you are able to give me more specific information >>> it would be >>> easier to find them. >>> >>> My preliminary findings indicate that we have found William, Mary and >>> Agnes >>> and this is to follow. >>> >>> Awaiting your reply >>> >>> William in montreal >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>> MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be >>> transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in >>> transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email >>> address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing >>> list Admin. >>> >>> ============================== >>> New! OneWorldTree. Building Trees. Connecting Families. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13970/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >> archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The >> archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established >> lister. >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Thought it better if I sent this in plain text for you Anne. At least you will be able to read it right away. I forgot to add the family part of the census for George Cruickshank but I believe you already have it William Cruickshank buried in the Protestant cemetery MARJORIE EILEEN CRUICKSHANK (12/03/1999) MILTON SAVAGE CRUICKSHANK (07/07/1999) ANNIE CRUICKSHANK (05/06/1946) GEORGE ALEXANDER CRUICKSHANK (24/06/1990) LEONARD JAMES CRUICKSHANK (21/01/1913) RUSSELL MATHESON CRUICKSHANK (16/06/1991) FRANK CARIGIE CRUICKSHANK (18/01/1993) BABY CRUICKSHANK (08/01/1996) JAMES CRUICKSHANK (28/04/1959) MARY ELLEN CRUICKSHANK (17/03/1935) RALPH CRUICKSHANK (25/04/1896) FRANCES MARY CRUICKSHANK (02/02/1966) ELIZABETH TURNER CRUICKSHANK (06/11/1891) CHARLES CRUICKSHANK (29/09/1907) ANDREW CRUICKSHANK (22/05/1922) MABEL BEATRICE CRUICKSHANK (05/06/1959) Individual Record 1881 Canadian Census Search results | Download Next Individual -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George CRICKSHANK Household Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1823> Birthplace Ecosse Age 58 Occupation Secretaire Marital Status M <Married> Ethnic Origin Scottish Head of Household George CRICKSHANK Religion Presbyterian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Ste-Lawrence Ward, Montreal, Montreal, Quebec Family History Library Film 1375857 NA Film Number C-13221 District 90 Sub-district I Division 7 Page Number 98 Household Number 368 Household Record 1881 Canadian Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion Robert CRUICKSHANK M Male Scottish 80 Scotland Carpenter C. Presbyterian Cariline CRUICKSHANK M Female English 67 England C. Presbyterian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Leeds, Megantic, Quebec Family History Library Film 1375831 NA Film Number C-13195 District 50 Sub-district J Division 1 Page Number 4 Household Number 18 Household Record 1881 Canadian Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household: Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion John CRUICKSHANK M Male Scottish 62 Scotland Farmer Church of Scotland Janet Sharpe CRUICKSHANK M Female Scottish 42 Q <Quebec> Church of Scotland William CRUICKSHANK Male Scottish 12 Q <Quebec> Church of Scotland Edith Smith CRUICKSHANK Female Scottish 11 Jersey, G B <Channel Islands> Church of Scotland John CRUICKSHANK Male Scottish 9 Q <Quebec> Church of Scotland Alexander CRUICKSHANK Male Scottish 11 Q <Quebec> Church of Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Dundee, Huntingdon, Quebec Family History Library Film 1375843 NA Film Number C-13207 District 72 Sub-district I Page Number 32 Household Number 141

I understand Mor to mean big, great, or large, and that Morag can be the Gaelic for Sarah or even Sally. However, how Morag = Sarah stretches my imagination (for an Australian). Agh = heifer, hind. So does Morag mean big heifer? I cannot find Marion, but it may derive from Marian, which may derive from Mary Ann. Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: Ray Hennessy [mailto:rayhennessy@iclway.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2005 11:54 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] name game: Sarah & Marion Gay King asked: > How frequently in the early 1800's in official documents was > Marion substituted for someone named Sarah? And vice versa? > > I have checked the 'what's in a name' website which says that > they were used interchangeably but I am wondering if that was > really so... Morag seems to be closer to Sarah than Marion. Hi Gay I hope we get some inputs on this as it's a long jump from Sarah to Marion in my view - Sassenach that I am. I don't think we claimed full interchangeability of Sarah & Marion, but always pleased to get additional anecdotal evidence. The stories I reported in "What's In A Name" only show that the Gaelic Mór can be Anglicised as either Marion or Sarah. I suspect, but I don't know for a fact, that the anglicised version chosen might be dependent either on the area or the family. The evidence for full interchangeability is sparse which is why I classed Sarah & Marion as "Lesser Synonyms" indicating that the link is from a common name rather than direct. My correspondent in Canada who knows of an example of full interchangeability in Kilmorack, Scotland, was very clear on this but it's the only example we have found. Looking forward to any other inputs. Best wishes Ray Hennessy Forenames website: www.whatsinaname.net

Hi Anne. There is no William shown in the Ste. Lawrence Ward in Montreal. There is however a George Cruickshank. Did check the Protestant cemetery and there was no William but I have prepared for you a large list which I will send as an attachment. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: Montreal MI's > Hello William > > I cannot recall if I have asked you this before or not. > > The 1881 Census of Canada lists William Cruickshank, age 58, born Scotland > and his wife Elizabeth, 54, also born Scotland, in Ste-Laurence Ward, > Montreal. Both are described as Protestant. > > From a local paper I have a date of death for William Cruickshank, 27 > December 1893 in Montreal. > > Is there a burial record and/or any other information about George and his > wife? > > Anne > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1260 Message Board Post: I am looking into my grandfathers history. He was born in Forres, Scotland May 13, 1903 and I think he was on a mine sweeper at one time. He came to Canada joined the Royal Canadian Engineers and lived in Alberta where he passed away in Sylvan Lake 1959. Any information would be great.