Hi George I was going through the list of Burials in the Bellie OPR 126/3 and found the following: 16 Jan 1838 John Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 61 6 Dec 1840 George Jamieson, Late Fochabers, Aged 95 9 Feb 1843 Francis Jamieson, Bogmuir, Died in Spey, Aged 40 2 Oct 1843 Helen Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 81 10 Jul 1847 Ann Longmore Jamieson, Aged 68 6 Jun 1847 Janet Jamieson Smith, Bogmuir, Aged 96 4 May 1847 William Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 27 6 May 1851 Mary Gray Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 77 Where the entry relates to a female and it has three names I have found that the middle one is usually her maiden name in the records of this Parish. Hope this is of some interest to you. Ian A C Scott

Hi Diane By 1946 the control of all burial grounds rested with the local council who will have the records and I would therefore suggest that you contact Moray District Council in connection with your enquiry. I know that the Registrar at Banff holds the burial records for that area and, perhaps, the Registrar at Elgin will hold those you seek. Her email address is _heather.greig@moray.gov.uk_ (mailto:heather.greig@moray.gov.uk) and I am sure she will advise you if you contact her. Ian A C Scott

Gay, I don't know if the Aberlour Kirk Session Minutes exist for the relevant period (or even if the Kirk Session was scrutinizing illegitimacies as that time - mine were somewhat earlier 1830s and 1840s), but in those records you may find the father named, parents summoned before the Kirk Session etc etc. Just a thought for possible extra detail and confirmation of the Grant father! Kind regards, Peter Grant (London UK/Christchurch NZ) -----Original Message----- From: Gay King [mailto:gayking@aci.on.ca] Sent: 08 February 2005 21:44 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MORAY] Parents of William M. GRANT Hi Anne, Thank you so much! Why didn't I think of that! William Grant McIntosh (Illegitimate) Born 1887, June 5th, Derrybeg, Aberlour, Mother Jane McIntosh, Domestic Servant. Mystery solved! He was listed in the 1901 census as William M. Grant. Gay -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: February 8, 2005 3:35 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Parents of William M. GRANT > I have been trying for some months to solve the identity of William M. > GRANT > who in the 1901 census, Aberlour, Banff, is living at 7 East Derrybeg, > with Gay, have you looked for him as William McIntosh? If his father did not sign his birth certificate, he would have been registered under his mother's surname. You could also have a look for him in the 1901 census and see if he was listed as Grant or McIntosh. Anne

Hi Anne, He was age 3 in the 1891 and age 13 in the 1901 so I think I have him covered. I hope to find him in the marriage department! Thank you for your help. Gay -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: February 8, 2005 4:17 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Parents of William M. GRANT > You could also have a look for him in the 1901 census and see if he was > listed as Grant or McIntosh. Doh! I meant the 1891 not the 1901 - you have him in that already! Anne ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established lister. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Can anyone help me please with the following. My elder brother is buried in Alves churchyard but has no headstone due to the fact that my parents, at the time, could not afford this. I have the booklet produced on the churchyard but am looking to find out how I might obtain a copy of the burial registration from the church records. He was buried in January 1946, aged 1. Any help with this much appreciated. Thanks, Diane

> You could also have a look for him in the 1901 census and see if he was > listed as Grant or McIntosh. Doh! I meant the 1891 not the 1901 - you have him in that already! Anne

"Alex and John, twin sons of John Duffus, merchant of Banff, baptised 30 May 1741. Witness Alex Innes and his son, also John Alexander Bissett and A.C. Duffus (grandfathers), and A.C. Duffus, uncle to the children." Is this Alex Innes related to Robert Innes, town clerk of Banff, d. 1782-12-28? "Children of GEORGE DUFFUS (born October 1744 in Dubston, Oyne, Aberdeenshire, and died Abt. 1822 in Braeside of Pittodrie, Aberdeenshire) and MARGARET MATHIESON are: MARY DUFFUS, b. September 06, 1778, Braeside of Pittodrie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland; m. JAMES REID, Abt. 1802, Chapel of Garioch, Aberdeenshire, Scotland...." Is this James Reid related to Margareta Innes & William Reid (town clerk of Banff)? Regards, Kaj A., Gothenburg

> I have been trying for some months to solve the identity of William M. > GRANT > who in the 1901 census, Aberlour, Banff, is living at 7 East Derrybeg, > with > I have spent a fortune searching for a birth record for William M. Grant > on > Scotland's People and have not found a single satisfactory entry. I have > concluded that he is the 3rd child of Jean McIntosh and John Grant but I > cannot prove that. Gay, have you looked for him as William McIntosh? If his father did not sign his birth certificate, he would have been registered under his mother's surname. You could also have a look for him in the 1901 census and see if he was listed as Grant or McIntosh. Anne

Hi Anne, Thank you so much! Why didn't I think of that! William Grant McIntosh (Illegitimate) Born 1887, June 5th, Derrybeg, Aberlour, Mother Jane McIntosh, Domestic Servant. Mystery solved! He was listed in the 1901 census as William M. Grant. Gay -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: February 8, 2005 3:35 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Parents of William M. GRANT > I have been trying for some months to solve the identity of William M. > GRANT > who in the 1901 census, Aberlour, Banff, is living at 7 East Derrybeg, > with Gay, have you looked for him as William McIntosh? If his father did not sign his birth certificate, he would have been registered under his mother's surname. You could also have a look for him in the 1901 census and see if he was listed as Grant or McIntosh. Anne

David Duffus, the producer & webmaster of www.duffus.com has died. I am unsure how much longer the website will be 'up' so anyone with an interest in the name or parish/barony of Duffus should go there and 'unload' now. Gordon

G'day Cobbers, Hope this helps somebody. Victorian Pioneer Index 1889-1901 (Australia) "Surname","Given Names","Event","Sex","Spouse Surname/Father","Spouse Gvn Names/Mother","Age","Age Code","Birth Place","Death Place","Year","Reg. Number" "BOWER","Jas","M","M","HARPER","Harriet Charl",,"","MORAYSHIRE","",1889,"3719" "CAMPBELL","Isabella","M","F","MCKENZIE","David",,"","MORAYSHIRE","",1890,"8 275" "DAVIDSON","Euphemia","M","F","CAVANAGH","Jas",,"","MORAYSHIRE SCOT","",1894,"935" "LEITCH","Jas Kerr","M","M","BIRKMYRE","Alma Isabella",,"","MORAYSHIRE","",1889,"1319" "MCWALTER","Mary Jane","M","F","CALLAGHAN","David",,"","MORAYSHIRE","",1891,"7587" "RIACH","Margt","M","F","TILEY","Arth Harry Geo",,"","MORAYSHIRE","",1893,"2987" "WEBB","Jane","M","F","TURNER","Jno",,"","MORAYSHIRE","",1893,"2962" Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7736 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

Hello List, Could I ask anyone on the list who has a C.D of any of the Census for Scotland, for 1851; 1861; 1871; or 1881 to do a quick search for me for the following persons. James WISEMAN bn 1812 Lossiemouth-Drainie, Morayshire, carpenter, but retired from Army in 1843. Also a daughter Ann (Elizabeth) Wiseman bn 1849 Lossiemouth. The mother was Jane Wiseman (Innes) no age. All three have just gone poof into the atmosphere about 1849-50. Please come home I need you to complete my branch of the family tree. Pearl M. New Zealand. could I be so bold as to ask anyone with a CD of Census (any year) for England ) just do a quick cover there in case they headed south. thanks

Pearl, There are Wisemans buried in DUNDURCAS, DIPPLE, and ESSIL cemeteries. Have you checked for connections? Laura > Hello List, Could I ask anyone on the list who has a C.D of any of > the Census for Scotland, for 1851; 1861; 1871; or 1881 to do a quick > search for me for the following persons. > > James WISEMAN bn 1812 Lossiemouth-Drainie, Morayshire, carpenter, but > retired from Army in 1843. > Also a daughter Ann (Elizabeth) Wiseman bn 1849 Lossiemouth. > The mother was Jane Wiseman (Innes) no age. All three have just gone > poof into the atmosphere about 1849-50. > > Please come home I need you to complete my branch of the family tree. > > Pearl M. > New Zealand. > > could I be so bold as to ask anyone with a CD of Census (any year) > for England ) just do a quick cover there in case they headed south. > thanks > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed > and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's > for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray > Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/262.321.3.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Thanks Mary Obviously wrong line. My Isabel (known as Isabella) was born in 1819 in Speymouth. Regards Linda

G'day Cobbers, Have some information on my McLEAN ancestry on my homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS Below is part of an email from a third cousin of mine, recently "discovered", which relates to the GRANT surname: "Yes this Bella (McLEAN) is the one we are interested in. She is the daughter of Charles McLean and Elspet Dean hence my mother's aunt. She married David Grant and they had one daughter also called Bella. It was she who went to Australia about 1949ish but she was married by then and as yet I have not found her married name. A couple of years later her parents Bella and David followed her out and remained there where they presumably died. I have no idea where they settled but I believe most emigrants then went to Melbourne and Sydney. Bella Grant may still be alive and would be about 84 yrs old now. No 34 Royston Mains Crescent Edinburgh, where Elspet Dean died was the home of Charles McLean and Marjory Wilson {my mothers parents} and Elspet Dean lived with them for the last 3 years of her life. Previously to this she lived at 10 Caledonian Crescent Edinburgh. Royston Mains Crescent was also where my parents lived when I was born so was my first home." Is anybody able to assist me with the surname of Bella GRANT's husband. I am trying to trace this family in Australia but need Bella's married name. Look forward to hearing from any McLEAN relatives. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7736 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

Hi George I have now had time to have a look at your thoughts on the list of Births/christenings I sent you and would not disagree with what you say as regards the probability (a strong one) of Andrew, William and George being brothers. The thought had occurred to me when I was transcribing the information and preparing the message. Since then I have had a further look at the Film and cannot find a marriage entry for George Jamieson and Margaret Ritchie although I did find the birth of their son George on 11 April 1786 and his Christening on 14th with George Badenoch and George Simpson both in Fochabers being the witnesses. I also came across the marriage entry on 17 Aug 1784 for a John Smith and Jannet Jamieson both in the Parish of Bellie who were matrimonially contracted. On 11 Nov 1775 there is an entry which shows that James Geddes and Anne Jamieson, both in the Parish, gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage and were married on 28 Nov 1775. Finally, on 18 Dec 1800 there is the entry for the baptism of a child named Janet, Lawful Daughter, to John Jamieson and Elizabeth Packman, born in Bogmoor where the witnesses were Janet Simpson and John Jamieson. Don't know whether this clears the field or muddies it but as I came across this lot along the way I thought I would pass it on. Regards Ian

Hi Ian, What do you think of the following observations/theories? > (1) William Jamison and Isabel Mortimer had seven children > between 1720 and > 1736. > > George born 1720, Burnside, christened 30 Jan 1720, witnesses George > Jamison, Bogmoor and George Geddes in Auchinreath. So this witness is probably (2)George,listed below, who I have as Williams brother, but not proved. > John born 1722, Dryburn, christened 7 May 1722, witnesses John Miln, > Culriach and John Mortimer, Glenrinnes. > Andrew born 1724, Dryburn, christened 5 Jul 1724, witnesses > Andrew Innes, > Floods and Andrew Jamison, Bogmoor. Following the same relationship as above Andrew could be brother of Wm and George. > William born 1727, Bogmoor, christened 12 Sep 1727, witnesses > William Innes, > Floods and William Robertson, Culriach. > Thomas and Alexander (twins) born Dryburn, 1730, christened > 11 Feb 1730, > witnesses Alexander Innes and Nans Innes and Margaret > Mitchell, Walheads > (probably Wellheads). > Margaret born Dryburn 1736, christened 30 Mar 1736, witnesses James > Paterson, Cowiemuir, Robert Sherar, Bellie. > > (2) George Jamison and Marjory Gatherer had five children > between 1717 and > 1737. > > Margrat born Bogmoor 1717, christened 20 Jul 1717, witnesses > Andrew Innes, > Floods and William Gordon, Culriach > Alexander born Bogmuir 1719, christened 26 Jul 1719, > witnesses Al (Alexander > ?) Morison, Floods and Al Innes, Dryburn. > Elspet born Bogmuir 1727, christened 31 Jan 1727, witnesses William > Robertson, Culriach, James Taylor, Bogmuir and William > Jamison, Dryburn. Wm, brother of George as later children b. Dryburn > John born Bogmuir 1731, christened 25 Sep 1731, witnesses > John Gordon, > Portioner, Upper Dallachie and John Annand Upper Dallachie. > George born Bogmuir 1734, christened 15 Dec 1734, witnesses > George Anderson, > Dallachie, George Moor, Culriach and George Burges, Upper > Auchinreath. > > Unfortunately, the Bellie OPR only goes back to 1709 for > Births and 1723 for > Marriages so I cannot give you any information regarding the > marriages of > these couples. > > The Speyside MIs pre 1855 (stone 143) shows Geo Jameson, fr N > Dallachy > 23.6.1780 61, w Kath Innes 29.6.1780 63, s Alex 6.2.1782 25, > da Hellen 22.12.1789 > 30, ed by Jas Geddes in N Auchinreath their.........(rest of > inscription > hidden) John Jameson at Bogmoor 24.12.1910 86, w Helen > Stewart 16.8.1908 82. Rest of inscription hidden. Just typical.... > This George would appear to be the son of William and Isabel > and the John > who died in 1910 would be his brother. The ages on the > inscription do not > exactly match the christening records in the OPR but this is > not an uncommon > occurrence. I agree with this. I have other details confirming it. > The MIs also list a John Jamieson, feuar Fochabers 28.5.1860 > 80, w Agnes > Longmore 1848 60. s geo 3.3.1831 16. John is my GGGGUncle according to my genealogy software. His father George is my GGGGGrdfather. George m.c1780 Margaret RITCHIE Bellie. This is my brickwall as I can't find the m. details. My theory is that George's parents are Alex m.c1750 Anne SMITH. See following MI. > and > T Smith esq surgeon Fochabers, w Jane 6.5.1837 50. gch inf > (.......of John > Jameson esq).....(rest of stone covered by broken headstone) I need to develop the SMITH connection as it is possibly a way around my brickwall. If only I could move the headstone. Just for a minute or two... > Unfortunately, this does not give any positive links between > the two couples > although you will notice that they appear to have been > witnesses at the > christening of a child of the other which could indicate they > were brothers or > cousins. There is also an Andrew Jamison, Bogmoor shown as a > witness at the > christening of Andrew Jamison in 1730. I'm interested in finding any living descendants of Wm and George to have Y-DNA tests carried out. This may prove a connection. If we are connected we should match and the brickwall will crumble... > I have noticed in my research of this Parish it was quite > common for the > witnesses at the christening of a son to have the same given > name as the child > being christened. While this also happened with daughters it > was not so > consistent. > > I hope this is of some use to you. Yes it is. Although I have much of the detail, you've filled in several missing pieces which highlight some of the avenues I still need to follow. Regards George London Uk

Hi Lynda, I have a note from you goinf way back. I haven't developed this couple but would be interested in any more information you have on them. I only have the m. details from the IGI. I am trying to widen my search, so will see if I can find anything on them and get back to you. Regards George London UK

Hi Mona, I don't seem to have anything on Ann, or Alexander, but I do have a DAVIDSON and JAMIESON connection with Rathven. My line of DAVIDSON starts, at a brickwall, with this group from the 1851 census - Brae of Peterhythe DAVIDSON Robert head mar 72 plough & cartwright farmer 5ac. Rathven 13 Brae of Peterhythe DAVIDSON Jane(BURNET) wife mar 62 engaged in dom.duties Fordyce 13 Brae of Peterhythe DAVIDSON Jane dau 25 engaged in dom.duties Rathven 13 Brae of Peterhythe DAVIDSON Jane gr'dau 13 scholar Fordyce 13 Brae of Peterhythe DAVIDSON William gr'son 9 scholar Ordiquhill 13 Brae of Peterhythe SKINNER Alexander serv 15 farm serv. Fordyce 13 Brae of Peterhythe WOOD George gr'son 15 Rathven 13 Robert m. 1809 Jane BURNET George, Rathven One of their sons George m. 1845 Elizabeth GRAY, Fordyce he subsequently m. 1860 Isabeela DONALDSON, Buckie George in 1881 census. Dwelling: Low Street Census Place: Rathven, Banff, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203442 GRO Ref Volume 164 EnumDist 7 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George DAVIDSON M 60 M Rathven, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Isabella DAVIDSON M 50 F Rathven, Banff, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Labourers Wife James DAVIDSON U 15 M Rathven, Banff, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George and Elizabeth had a dau. Mary who m.1882 John JAMIESON Backburn, Rathven. John is my GGrandfather. The only reference to an Alex is - Alexander DAVIDSON 62 Army Pensioner Yes(b.in parish,RATHVEN Sarah DAVIDSON 7 Yes RATHVEN George DAVIDSON 7 Yes RATHVEN Not the right age for your missing Alex but might be son of your Alex and so brother of James. I'm checking through my misc records for any reference to your group of names. What else do you have on James and Helen? Best wishes George London UK

My thanks to Ian, John, Barry & Linda for your information and site suggestions re Port Gordon & Lossiemouth. I shall check these all out and appreciate your time. Jean Stewart