This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1151.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Alan: In an earlier posting you mentioned that you have a database of info on 600 Calders from Moray. I have come across a family of Calders, from Moray, who appear to have arrived in Peterborough County, Ontario in about the year 1835. I believe that these Calders may be from the Moray family of, James Calder and Margaret Robb. The children who are in Canada by the year 1851 are John (b. abt. 1817), William (b. abt. 1819), Margaret (b. abt. 1828) and Betsy (b. abt. 1832). Their mother (a widow, aged 60) is also present in the 1851 Ontario census. Do you have any record of this family in your database? Regards John B. Calder Waterloo, Ontario

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cruickshank, Kruckshanks, Crooks et al Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1264.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Anne, Voila - here is Pont 8 http://www.nls.uk/pont/specialist/pont08.html There is also a good map of Aberdeen in there somewhere, and I expect you will find the "other" Auchindaar (doir-dour-dear or whatever) Actually even those we all spell the same are often different from what we expect, and from what the modern name may be -eg: take a peek at Culcaboch on the edge of old Inverness on Pont 8, and then see if you can recognize it on a modern map - yep, but the spelling is certainly different Don't buy the biggest Pont 8 - it is huge and unnecessary. Ron

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cruickshank mackintosh and others Edinkillie, Auchindoir, Advie, Cromdale Morayshire Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1264.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Anne, I'm not quite sure where you're leading to in your posting. I had mentioned Knockando and was speculating on why all of Anne's syblings were noted as being from Cromdale Inverallen and Advie. The point being that all of this information does not seem to be "documented" and the "web source" I located some time back (which is the mentioned "for retrieval" item) may have assumed that they were all from Cr-Adv_Inv which is what they had shown. I have my "Anne" changed to Knockando (now the only one there) as per our family "record" which I expect is at least as good as anyone's (anyone with no documents that is). Just how you got to Granton-on-Spey I don't know. You mention "she" but I don't know who the "she" is that you talk about. Please clarify. I will send a "family list" to your e-address. As for Edinkillie and Aachindoir, let me assure you that they are not anywhere near the location you describe (perhaps there are two of each???) Edinkillie is at the "fork" where the Findhorn joins the Divie, about one mile west towards Ferness (and on the opposite shore of the Findhorn is Auchindoir (various spellings) I will try to "photocoy" a segment of Pont 8 but it may be a bit blurry. Find Ferness, go a mile or two east to Ardlach (the Bell tower is still there, next comes Score (where Anne Cruickshank is buried) several villages along the way until Auchindaar (sp diff if you choose) and then Edinkillie (Ponts notes next show Edinkillie Kirk. As I said, I don't know where your towns are. - perhaps in the area of Huntley or "Carnie near Huntley' where Roey (Roy) is from or further yet, all the way to Methlick, where the grandfather of all of these Cruickshanks came from. We are definitely not on the same page here - let us sort this out over the next while by direct e-mail, where "attachements may flow". Next will come the "mixed salad" of discussion about this family and who begat whom! Regards, Ron Mann rodeochaps@shaw.ca

Hello, My 3rd G. grandfather was William Robb of Kirkhill, Alves. He was married to Margaret Asher, daughter of Hugh Asher and Janet Young. According to a newspaper reference (found at Elgin Library) she was born 28 August 1780, died 07 October 1850 age 70. She had been baptized into the Associate Congregation of Forres in 1780. Place of death Kirkhill, Alves. My research into her ancestry at this moment consists of the Familysearch.com's IGI. I will be ordering the Family History Libraries films for Alves and using them to verify the IGI. James Asher (there are several) is named in the IGI quite often in the early records. The Ashers seem to be originally from Alves (the oldest IGI records start in middle 1600's for them) and then spread out into the rest of Moray as generations developed. So far I have reached a brick wall on Hugh Asher's father, also a Hugh. Who where his parents? Does anyone know how to contact (if it still exists) the Associate Congregation of Forres for the records of the Ashers that are not on the IGI. What denomination was it? Does anyone know about the cemetery in Alves that is near Kirkhill? Is it the "old cemetery vs. the new church and cemetery? If I can help let me know. I can be reached at Webblend@AOl.com also. Regards, Pat Blend

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1264.1.2 Message Board Post: I am interested in Cruickshanks with connections to Knockando, because I think that is where mine must have come from. They first appear in Rothes in 1766. I would be very interested in seeing your family group sheet too. My e-mail address is anne-dot-burgess-at-btinternet-dot-com. I think it is highly unlikely that anyone born in Knockando in the late 1700s would name Grantown-on-Spey as their birthplace just because it was the 'nearest big town'. First of all, people's allegiances were to the parish not the town/village, so when they said where they were born they would name the parish (assuming that they knew, of course!). Second, Grantown isn't a big town. It didn't even exist at until after 1774. Fullarton's Gazetteer of 1842 describes it as a 'modern village' and goes on to say, "Previous to the year 1774, the site of this village was a barren and untenanted heath." Third, it isn't even the nearest town. From Knockando Kirk it is about 10 miles to Rothes and about 16 to Grantown. (Of course the same applies to the town of Rothes as to Grantown, namely, it didn't exist either until after 1775; and neither did the villages of Archiestown or Charlestown of Aberlour) So if she gave her birthplace as Grantown-on-Spey in later life she must at least have believed that she was born there, even if it wasn't true. That implies that she must have lived there since early childhood. Of course it might just be that someone else gave the information, and that they thought she was born in Grantown. Cromdale, Inverallan and Advie is a parish formed by uniting three ancient parishes: the parish of Cromdale, the parish of Inverallan and the parish of Advie. Cromdale and Advie are easy enough to find; Inverallan is the part of the combined parish in which Grantown-on-Spey was built. Edinkillie is another parish in its own right. (So is Auchindoir, but it is nowhere near any of the rest of these - it is in Aberdeenshire, south of Huntly. Your family's one may have a similar name - it means something like 'field of the grove', so it would not be surprising to find more than one place with the name). Looking forward to hearing from you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Locations, Rothes, Cromdale, Advie, Knockando, Edinkillie, Aachindoir, Ferness Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1264.1.1 Message Board Post: Alice, Sorry about one thing - the distance from Knockando to Cromdale is on y a bit over 12 miles - it is the whole trip back up the "road" to Edinkillie that makes a trip of about 30 miles. Isobel Roey was from Rothes, another 6 or 8 miles downstream (NE) on the Stratspey from Knockando. On modern maps Rorhes` is on hwy A941 south of Elgin. Ferness is SE from Nairn City on hwyA939 - Edinkillie/Aachindoir is straight east of Ferness to a point about 1 mile south of Logie on hwy A 940. Cromdale and Advie are on hwy A95, and Knockando "off highway" north abt 2 miles on the "big loop" of the River Strathspey. If you want an 1800-ish map of the area, buy a "PONT 8" copy from the National Library of Scotland - it is cheap! The old map is "twisted" a bit and okay as to "shape" but direction and distances are distorted! There are hundreds of villages shown - most of which no longer exist! Edinkillie lies mostly under the intersection of A 490 and B 9007 - only a few buildings remain. There - does that actually clear anything up?? Ron Mann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cruickshank Mackintosh Roey Harvie - Knockando, Advie, Cromdale, Edinkillie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1264.1 Message Board Post: Alice Belado, Alice, I have a Margaret Cruickshank born 21 Nov 1776 at Cromdale & Inverallen & Advie, Morayshire, Scotland, d/o John Cruickshank and Isabel Roey, however one of her syblings (Anne - my lineage) was known by my family as being born in Knockando - actually ALL of the children could very well have been born there, but my expectation is that Anne was providing a "nearst big town" for her records! There is along the River Strathspey a parallel row of villages from Knockando to Cromdale - about 30 miles. Advie is halfway, as for Inverallen I have no idea exactly where along this road it lay - but I have other ancestors (Mackintosh) at all three places and also at the "traditional family homes" of Edinkillie and Aachindoir - where Anne was married to William Mackintosh on 7 Aug 1797. Geologically these people are all in the same small area. The ancestry of Margaret and her nine syblings is still being resolved - their grandfather James could in fact (at this time) be possibly any one of five brothers as they all have lineages descending to Margaret and Anne's Daddy! I can resolve this in time - about 2 or 3 months to retrieve info in my files. I can send you a Family Group sheet if you will privately provide your email or fax address. Ronald Mann rodeochaps@shaw.ca

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//BgC.2ACI/1265 Message Board Post: Can anyone please help in my search for information on an Alexander Cameron and Anne Miller? My G.Grandfather was Peter Cameron born 20th Jan 1825,St Andrews-Lhanbryd and the extract from the OPR Births and Baptisms shows his father as Alexander Cameron, subtennant in Little Darkland, and mother Anne Miller. Witnesses at the Baptism were Margaret and Peter Seller, Jean Seller and Alexander Phin. I have been able to find 3 other children, namely: William Cameron 1st October 1821,St Andrews-Lhanbryd Margaret Cameron(Peter’s twin) 19th Jan 1825,St Andrews-Lhanbryd Robert Cameron 15th or 29th April 1827 There, however, the trail seems to end and I have hit a brick wall despite extensive on-line searches on GROS, LDS and IGI etc. I have found only one couple with the same names but these were living in the Glasgow area, married in 1810 and had 5 children I know of, the last being born 26th Apr 1819. It is possible that these are “my” Alexander and Anne and that they moved up to Moray(the children’s birthdates fit) but I am at a loss as to how to prove that link. Can anyone offer any help or advice as to where I might search next? Thanks.

Hi Pat A possible connection. In my family James Gillan b 1764 married (1787 Elgin) Janet Asher b 1767 Alves Children John 1789 Birnie died 1863 Alves buried at Alves; m Jane Kerr; I'm descended form here. Margaret 1793 Birnie Janet 1796 Elizabeth 1798 Birnie James 1801 Birnie Alexander 1807 Alves David 1814 Alves Regards Keith Morris ----- Original Message ----- From: <Webblend@aol.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:20 AM Subject: [MORAY] Alves churchyard > Hello, Can you tell me whether the cemetery next to a closed church, just a > short way down the road from Kirkhill in Alves is the old Alves church and > cemetery? When I was visiting several years ago, searching for my Robb and > collateral families, I stopped at a newer church only to find out that it was started > in the 1800's. The only other one I could find was the one mentioned above. > Did I have the correct church and cemetery? If it is, have the MI's been > transcribed and published? Do lair records exist for it? I would be searching for > Robb, Asher, Duguid, Gillon, Man, McRae, Scott, Young and Troup families. > Thank you for your assistance. > Pat Blend > Webblend@Aol.com > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hay, Cruickshank Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1264 Message Board Post: Looking for information on a Margaret Cruickshank who married James Hay June 27, 1810 - Knockando Moray - James was born September 18, 1782. Have not been able to find any information regarding Margaret Cruickshank except an entry about her marriage.

Hello Dave, I am curious about your William Asher. We have a William Asher Williamson who came to the USA in 1855 with his sibs and parents. He is a son to James Williamson(b.1821) who married Margaret Kitchen. Margaret Kitchens mother was Margaret McLean (m. Alexander Kitchen.) William Asher Williamson had a sister named Jean McLean Williamson.........therefore my curiosity of where the Asher might come from in this family of Williamson. James was from Blackdam farms in Morayshire..............perhaps they were friends or neighbors but I can find nothing relating to the Ashers. Thanks for your time, Marj.Agnew-Edlen USA researching Kitchen, McLean, Williamson,Taylor,Agnew,McKee,Sandison,Brant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave fell" <felly@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [MORAY] Alves churchyard > Hello Pat > > I have noticed that you have an interest in the name Asher. I too have a > few Asher's born in Alves starting from a James Asher who married Jean > Arnot in c1736. They had five children Margaret, Elizabeth, William, > John and Isabel from 1737 to 1748. My line continues from William Asher. > > > Do these ring any bells with you? > > Regards > > Dave Fell > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

RAY, I am guessing you must have access to all kinds of records since you have both birth and death dates on the Donaldsons. I did not see any death dates in the films I viewed a few years ago. Do you by chance have any information such as parents names, or birth or death date of the John Murray that married Margaret Donaldson? John was born about 1725, lived in Blackfold, Mortlach, Banff, and married Margaret Donaldson Feb. 5, 1744 in Mortlach. You asked about my lineage to the Donaldsons in the message below. This is how it lines up from Robert Donaldson to me. I appreciate your help. Thanks, Kathy Wells. Direct Descendants of Robert Donaldson 1 Robert DONALDSON b: Abt. 1684 in Edinvillie, Aberlour, Banffshire, Scot d: December 02, 1751 in Aberlour, Banffshire, Scot .. +Margaret MEROUES b: Abt. 1696 d: January 12, 1730/31 in Aberlour, Banffshire, Scot ...... 2 Margaret DONALDSON b: November 05, 1724 in Edinvillie, Aberlour, Banffshire, Scot .......... +John MURRAY b: Abt. 1725 in Mortlach, Banff shire, Scotland d: in Blackfold/Mortlach, Banff shire, Scot m: February 05, 1744/45 in Mortlach, Banff shire, Scotland ............... 3 James MURRAY b: March 15, 1747/48 in Mortlach, Banff shire, Scotland ................... +Isobelle CARMICHAEL b: April 14, 1757 in Aberlour, Banff, Scotland m: December 10, 1778 in Aberlour, Banff, Scotland Father: William CARMICHAEL Mother: Isobelle Thomson ........................ 4 Robert MURRAY b: November 09, 1792 in Aberlour, Banffshire, Scotland d: May 24, 1884 in Frasers Mt., New Glasgow, Nova Scotia ............................ +Isobel CARMICHAEL b: 1800 d: September 15, 1864 in Pictou Co, Nova Scotia m: Abt. 1823 Father: Francis CARMICHAEL Mother: Elizabeth Keillor ................................. 5 James MURRAY b: April 1827 in Merigomish, Nova Scotia d: May 16, 1911 in Nova Scotia ..................................... +Margaret Jane MCEWAN b: June 21, 1830 d: 1912 m: May 04, 1850 in Nova Scotia .......................................... 6 John Roy MURRAY b: October 30, 1858 in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia d: January 30, 1930 in Fall River, MA .............................................. +Mary Melville FRANCIS b: October 23, 1863 in Fall River, MA d: August 23, 1956 in Fall River, MA m: August 26, 1886 in Fall River, MA Father: William F. FRANCIS, Jr. Mother: Priscilla C. Cluney ................................................... 7 Ruth Catherine MURRAY b: July 14, 1889 in Fall River, MA d: January 25, 1923 in Brockton, Plymouth Co, MA ....................................................... +Edgar Everett CUSHMAN b: January 04, 1889 in Middleborough, Plymouth Co, MA d: June 29, 1977 in Edgartown, Martha's Vinyard, MA m: September 15, 1913 in Fall River, MA Father: Donald Alonzo CUSHMAN Mother: Annie Washburn Eaton ............................................................ 8 Ruth Murray CUSHMAN in Brockton, Plymouth Co, MA ................................................................ +Earl Raymond HEATON in Clay, Huntingdon Co, PA .................................................................... 9 Kathy HEATON, Wichita Co, TX m/ David Wells. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aberloursearch@aol.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] towns in Banffshire > Hello Kathy, Margaret Donaldson who was baptised in Edinvillie, Aberlour > on > the 5th November 1724 was the daughter of Robert Donaldson and Margaret > Meroues Robert was born c. 1684 and died on December 2, 1751. Margaret > Meroues > was born c. 1696 and died on January 12, 1731 both are buried in Aberlour > churchyard as is their son Robert who was born in Edinvillie on 19th April > 1729 > and died in Edinvillie on the 7th May 1729. > > The above Robert Donaldson born c. 1684 was also married to Margaret > Proctor > and had a further 5 children with her.They were married in Aberlour on > 18th > June 1734 and 4 of their five children were also born in Edinvillie. > > I do have some information on Alexander Donaldson the brother of Margaret > but not very much, if you would like this information as well please just > ask. > > Can you let me know where your line fits in with this family so that i can > add you to my on going database this will help me put you in touch with > others > researching the same family. > > Regards ray > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello Pat I have noticed that you have an interest in the name Asher. I too have a few Asher's born in Alves starting from a James Asher who married Jean Arnot in c1736. They had five children Margaret, Elizabeth, William, John and Isabel from 1737 to 1748. My line continues from William Asher. Do these ring any bells with you? Regards Dave Fell

Hello, Can you tell me whether the cemetery next to a closed church, just a short way down the road from Kirkhill in Alves is the old Alves church and cemetery? When I was visiting several years ago, searching for my Robb and collateral families, I stopped at a newer church only to find out that it was started in the 1800's. The only other one I could find was the one mentioned above. Did I have the correct church and cemetery? If it is, have the MI's been transcribed and published? Do lair records exist for it? I would be searching for Robb, Asher, Duguid, Gillon, Man, McRae, Scott, Young and Troup families. Thank you for your assistance. Pat Blend Webblend@Aol.com

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Hello Listers, I am hoping some kind genealogist can do an Alves Churchyard Monumental Inscription lookup for me please. The Stone is No. 54 and the people are Jean KELLIE, Alex KELLIE, Elizabeth FALCONER, John KELLIE (1719) and Christain ROBERTSON (1747). Thanks and all good wishes, Denise Thompson, Sydney.

Hi Ian, > > 6 Dec 1840 George Jamieson, Late Fochabers, Aged 95 = b.1745 > I need to find the b. of this George. > > Could not find a birth entry for him around 1745. I'll keep looking for him. Is there any records for Fochabers that might show George with a possible connection to this Isabella. I'm wondering if George was living with Isabella until his d. - Speyside MI, section 17a, stone 144 Wm CHRISTIE feuar Fochabers d.12 Sep 1826 aged 62,wife Isabella JAMIESON d.3 Feb 1855 aged 96 Fochabers,son James d.11 Apr 1812 aged 20,dau Jane d.6 Apr 1840 aged 28 at the nursery Fochabers. > > 2 Oct 1843 Helen Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 81 = b.1762 >> I think this Helen m. John MUTERER c.1704. First son George b.1704 > > Something wrong here! If Helen was born in 1762 she could not > have been > married in 1704. Have tried a quick search of the Film around > 1804 but did not > find a marriage and a search on IGI did not help. However, > IGI shows two > extracts for Helens born in Bellie, one in 1760 (parents > George Jamieson and > Catherine Innes) and 1766 (parents Alexander Jamieson and > Margaret Carmichael) Sorry Ian that should read 1804. Following MI proves 1760 Helen did not m. John MUTERER. Age at d. is a bit out for 1766 Helen. Speyside MI, section 17a, stone 143 Geo JAMIESON fr. N.Dallachy 23.6.1780 age 61,w Kath INNES 29.6.1780 age 63, s Alex 6.2.1782 age25,da Hellen 22.12.1789 age 30, ed Jas GEDDES in N Auchinreath their...... (rest of inscription hidden)John JAMIESON at Bogmoor 24.12.1910 age 86, w Helen STEWART 16.8.1908 age 82. > > 10 Jul 1847 Ann Longmore Jamieson, Aged 68 = b.1779 > This is interesting. I have a Agnes Longmore m.1808 John > JAMIESON Keith. > John son of my 5xGGrdfather. According to the MI you listed > (in message on > 1st Feb) Agnes d.1848 Fochabers aged 60. > > I would guess these are two different individuals the names > differ and the > ages are quite a bit apart. I agree. > I would be grateful if you could > doublecheck NM81681 in Elgin for me. If poss. > > I am not sure what you mean by NM81681 in Elgin. Looks a bit > like a map > reference which I could check but otherwise do not have any > Elgin information. If I've recorded it correctly it's from the Index system held at Grant Lodge. > > 6 Jun 1847 Janet Jamieson Smith, Bogmuir, Aged 96 = b.1751 > Need to find a m. I'll check GROS. > > Had a quick look for this birth in Bellie OPR but did not find one. I found John SMITH m.17 Aug 1784 Janet, Bellie from GROS but no image available. Witnesses would be interesting. > > 4 May 1847 William Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 27 = b.1820 > > Couldn't find this birth either but the IGI shows two William > Jamesons born > in Rathven in 1821. 1. Wm b. 21 Mar 1821 Rathven m.1843 Jane MILTON. d.18 Aug 1891,Deskford. aged 71 2. Wm(my GGGrdfather) b.28 Feb 1821 Rathven m. Marg CALDER. d.21 Jan 1900.age 79 I'll do a doublecheck through my many records. > I did find a marriage for George Jamieson, Bellie and Ann > Young from Keith > who were contracted in marriage on 25th December 1795 and > married on 3 January > 1796. Could this be the George Jamieson who died aged 95? It > is possible but > I have reservations. Are there any MI's for Keith? > The IGI shows a list of births for children born to George > Jamieson and Ann > Young during the period 1796 to 1816. Four in Perth, four in > Keith, two in > Boharm and one in Dundee. The Perth lot all have the surname > with the spelling > as Jameson and I would be inclined to put these on the back > burner along with > the one for Dundee (which has Jamieson as the surname) but > is close to > Perth. This leaves the four in Keith and 2 in Boharm which > could be all one family > with Keith and Boharm Parishes being adjacent to each other. > One thing is > certain the Perth group and the Keith group are different as > both have births > and christenings in 1805. YOUNG being a common name. I hope there are MI's for Keith! Might find something. > I do not know whether this will help you or add to the confusion! That will be a yes and a yes. Helpful and confusing. Thanks Ian. Regards George London UK

In a message dated 11/02/2005 00:12:03 GMT Standard Time, george.jamieson@btinternet.com writes: Hi Ian, Ian are burials are listed seperately from deaths? I been checking GROS online and found a couple of clues. There is a list at the end of Bellie 126/2 and Bellie 126/3 which simply gives a date, name, Place and for 126/3 age. A comparison of the dates in this list with those shown on headstones indicates the list is the burials and on one entry I saw which dealt with the drowning of two youths in the 'Speywater' the words 'came together' suggest this was their burial not their deaths. > 16 Jan 1838 John Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 61 = b.1777 > 6 May 1851 Mary Gray Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 77 = b.1774 I think these married 19 mar 1796 Bellie. They were contracted on 19 March and the entry goes on to say they were afterwards married which is usually some days later. > 9 Feb 1843 Francis Jamieson, Bogmuir, Died in Spey, Aged 40 Francis b. 8 Nov 1803 Bellie is son of above. m.29 Oct 1831 Mary KEMP, Bellie The witnesses to this baptism were Francis Gordon and John Robertson > 6 Dec 1840 George Jamieson, Late Fochabers, Aged 95 = b.1745 I need to find the b. of this George. Could not find a birth entry for him around 1745. > 2 Oct 1843 Helen Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 81 = b.1762 I think this Helen m. John MUTERER c.1704. First son George b.1704 Something wrong here! If Helen was born in 1762 she could not have been married in 1704. Have tried a quick search of the Film around 1804 but did not find a marriage and a search on IGI did not help. However, IGI shows two extracts for Helens born in Bellie, one in 1760 (parents George Jamieson and Catherine Innes) and 1766 (parents Alexander Jamieson and Margaret Carmichael) > 10 Jul 1847 Ann Longmore Jamieson, Aged 68 = b.1779 This is interesting. I have a Agnes Longmore m.1808 John JAMIESON Keith. John son of my 5xGGrdfather. According to the MI you listed (in message on 1st Feb) Agnes d.1848 Fochabers aged 60. I would guess these are two different individuals the names differ and the ages are quite a bit apart. I would be grateful if you could doublecheck NM81681 in Elgin for me. If poss. I am not sure what you mean by NM81681 in Elgin. Looks a bit like a map reference which I could check but otherwise do not have any Elgin information. > 6 Jun 1847 Janet Jamieson Smith, Bogmuir, Aged 96 = b.1751 Need to find a m. I'll check GROS. Had a quick look for this birth in Bellie OPR but did not find one. > 4 May 1847 William Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 27 = b.1820 Couldn't find this birth either but the IGI shows two William Jamesons born in Rathven in 1821. I did find a marriage for George Jamieson, Bellie and Ann Young from Keith who were contracted in marriage on 25th December 1795 and married on 3 January 1796. Could this be the George Jamieson who died aged 95? It is possible but I have reservations. The IGI shows a list of births for children born to George Jamieson and Ann Young during the period 1796 to 1816. Four in Perth, four in Keith, two in Boharm and one in Dundee. The Perth lot all have the surname with the spelling as Jameson and I would be inclined to put these on the back burner along with the one for Dundee (which has Jamieson as the surname) but is close to Perth. This leaves the four in Keith and 2 in Boharm which could be all one family with Keith and Boharm Parishes being adjacent to each other. One thing is certain the Perth group and the Keith group are different as both have births and christenings in 1805. I do not know whether this will help you or add to the confusion! Regards Ian

Many thanks to the people who answered my message re Alves Churchyard, much appreciated. Diane

Hi Ian, Ian are burials are listed seperately from deaths? I been checking GROS online and found a couple of clues. > 16 Jan 1838 John Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 61 = b.1777 > 6 May 1851 Mary Gray Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 77 = b.1774 I think these married 19 mar 1796 Bellie. I didn't have John's d. Well done Ian. I go along with your theory re middle name=maiden. > 9 Feb 1843 Francis Jamieson, Bogmuir, Died in Spey, Aged 40 Francis b. 8 Nov 1803 Bellie is son of above. m.29 Oct 1831 Mary KEMP, Bellie > 6 Dec 1840 George Jamieson, Late Fochabers, Aged 95 = b.1745 I need to find the b. of this George. Does anyone on the list have any connection to him? > 2 Oct 1843 Helen Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 81 = b.1762 I think this Helen m. John MUTERER c.1704. First son George b.1704 > 10 Jul 1847 Ann Longmore Jamieson, Aged 68 = b.1779 This is interesting. I have a Agnes Longmore m.1808 John JAMIESON Keith. John son of my 5xGGrdfather. According to the MI you listed (in message on 1st Feb) Agnes d.1848 Fochabers aged 60. I would be grateful if you could doublecheck NM81681 in Elgin for me. If poss. > 6 Jun 1847 Janet Jamieson Smith, Bogmuir, Aged 96 = b.1751 Need to find a m. I'll check GROS. > 4 May 1847 William Jamieson, Bogmuir, Aged 27 = b.1820 I should have this but I don't. Thought I had all the Bogmuir/moor JAMIESONs... Thanks very much Ian. Is anyone else following this? I think Howard (GEDDES) might be interested in George GEDDES in Auchinreath. I think George may be Grd/father? of James GEDDES m. 28 Nov 1775 Anne JAMIESON. If there is any SMITH researchers around Bellie area I have a couple of connections I'd like to research. Regards George London UK