Good morning from the other side of the pond: I've missed something - can someone tell me what this is: "to the marvellous LIBINDX database" and how I get to it? Thanks, Anne Collecting Grigors

> This should let you see Slackbuie as it is today. There would seem to be > a couple of small buildings shown near a cleared area of forest. It could > be a croft, I suppose. As it shows up on this map, the inference is that > it still exists today, but someone who lives a bit nearer than either of > us may be in a position to let you know what is there on the ground at > present - even if it is only ruins. The area could be of interest for you > to inspect yourself if you are going to be in the region anyway. The 1969 map shows Slackbuie in the middle of an area of farmland, as does the 1901. It's not until the 1982 one that Slackbuie is shown right in among the trees. Also the trees are closely planted conifers, so I think it's not so much a clearing in a forest, more a case of forest having been planted over it fairly recently. I've actually been up there, and at least one of the buildings on the map is derelict. I would have to go up again to see which one it is (or whether both are derelict). As it's only about three miles away from here I will try to go and have a look some time, but I can't do it in the next few days. Alternatively, I could ask my neighbour, who was brought up next door at Backshalloch. Anne

> So now I guess that it means that James Fraser (senior) > lived at Hardmuir. Janet Ritchie lived at Whiteharriewood and her father > William Ritchie lived as Hardwood. Yes. > Now another question has appeared..... WHERE are these places and do they > still exist in Moray? Hardmuir is actually in the parish of Auldearn, just over the county boundary in the county of Nairn. You can see where it is on www.streetmap.co.uk . However I am not sure where Hardwood/Harriedwood is/are (I suspect it is one and the same place but it could be two.) Anne

>I will be in the Highlands in September of this year and I am wondering if >anyone knows if Slackbuie buildings/cottages/crofts are still in existence? My husband says it is still owned by George & Margaret Rhynis, who live at Backshalloch. He says it was a ruin (walls about 1meter high) and that would have been in the late 1960's early 1970 when he lived in that area. Hope this helps Audrey _www.fsk642.freeserve.co.uk_ (http://www.fsk642.freeserve.co.uk)

I have been having a look at the new database and it is very impressive however I found a couple of problems. The database does not work using Firefox, once I swapped to Explorer it worked perfectly. At long last I have found my GGGrandparents but the database seems to have a strange error. I looked up my GGrandparents, Marion Grant and Alexander Davidson and found two records - one each. The first for Marion Grant has her parents as Peter Grant and Margaret Murray. The second for Alexander Davidson has his parents as Robert Davidson and Ann Dunbar. I then went the IGI and couldn't find any families with these sets of parents. Poking around the IGI records I noticed a Marion Grant with parents Peter Grant and Ann Dunbar and then found Robert Davidson and Margaret Murray with a son Alexander. The IGI must be correct and the new database in error. I guess the moral is (as usual) to be careful! In case there are others with this family, I know have: Alexander Davidson, b. 22 APR 1808, ch. 25 APR 1808, Forres, Moray, Scotland Father: ROBERT DAVIDSON Mother: MARGARET MURRAY IGI Batch: C111372 Occ.: Cabinetmaker & Joiner, Elgin Died: 17 Mar 1890, 84 High St, Elgin Marion GRANT, b. 08 AUG 1823, Ch. 24 AUG 1823, Knockando, Moray, Scotland Father: PETER GRANT Mother: ANN DUNBAR IGI Batch: C111394 Died: 21 Sep 1894, Bevington Road, North Kensington, London Married 27 Nov 1840, Elgin, Moray, Scotland Children: Robert (b 1841) John (b 1843) (possibly druggist 293 High St, Forres, d 26 Aug 1870) Margaret Marion (b 1847) emigrated to New Zealand Marjory (b 1849) Grace (b 1854) Alexander (b 1856) Murray

I was so excited to review the information on libindx. I found 2 entries for the death of my g-g gr. mo. and am hoping sks can look them up when they are in the Elgin Library, write down what it says, and post the information for me. The name is listed as "Mrs. Brodie". The entries are: Courant - p. 3/ col. 8 - 7 Jul 1884 Moray/Nairn Express - p. 5/ col 7 - 11 Jul 1884. Thank youo in advance, Judy Brodie Liddell Albuquerque, NM

WOW,, What a wonderful site. I went looking thinking that I would never be lucky enough to find my family line there, but low and behold! There was JAMES FRASER and JANET RITCHIE and also their parents were named here too. I was so excited to see their names, and I even learnt a little more on James Fraser himself, lol, there was a complaint made against him for dropping dung upon the street in 1858... James and Janet came to Australia and here their family was raised, one son being William James Fraser, who my family is descended from. But I could not find William James Fraser on the site, I know from his marriage certificate that he was born in Moray, so I will keep looking to see if maybe his details do pop up oneday. I have a question now and hoping that SKS might be able to help answer it. On the site when I looked up James Fraser's father he was listed as " James Fraser Hardmuir". Janet Ritchie was named as "Janet Ritchie Whiteharriedwood". Also Janet's father was named as " William Ritchie Hardwood". What I don't understand is are the last names their surnames or do they stand for something else entirely? Hardmuir, Whiteharriewood & Hardwood.... Thanking you, Melissa in OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: LIBINDX onLine at Long Last!!! > LIBINDX, The Moray Local Heritage Centre index to people, places and topics > in Moray*, is now, finally, online! > > http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp > > *This means the present Moray, which includes the old county of Moray except > for Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, Duthil, and Abernethy; and the old county > of Banff except Banff, Gamrie, Boyndie, Fordyce, Marnoch, Forglen, Alvah, > Inverkeithny, Ordiquhill, and St Fergus. > > Have fun, everyone! > > Anne > > Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to > be amused > > ______________________________

ANNE, Fantastic........Thank you so much for that website! I found several of my ancestors, and a few extra tidbits to help me pinpoint where the families lived, which might help me locate parents for them. I really appreciate the info. You guys are all a great bunch, .and very helpful. Kathy Wells, Hurst, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: [MORAY] LIBINDX onLine at Long Last!!! > LIBINDX, The Moray Local Heritage Centre index to people, places and > topics in Moray*, is now, finally, online! > > http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp > > *This means the present Moray, which includes the old county of Moray > except for Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, Duthil, and Abernethy; and the > old county of Banff except Banff, Gamrie, Boyndie, Fordyce, Marnoch, > Forglen, Alvah, Inverkeithny, Ordiquhill, and St Fergus. > > Have fun, everyone! > > Anne > > Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to > be amused > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > lister. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

> Here's a guess for you to consider. You don't mention Janet's > mother so this is a shot in the dark: Well, whoever indexed the entries thought that Hardwood and Harriedwood were places, because the people were indexed under the surnames Ritchie and Fraser, and these are the people Melissa was looking for. > Could William Ritchie Hardwood have married a [?Janet] White? Perfectly possible. If so, the record is not indexed in the IGI. There are two Janet Harriwoods in the IGI, one born in Dyke in 1747 and the other in New Spynie in 1842, mother Ann Clarke. So evidently neither of these fits your hypothesis, whereas Melissa recognises the Fraser/Ritchie family as the ones she has been looking for. The IGI tells me that James Fraser and Janet Ritchie were married in Rafford on 15 June 1849 and had the following children, all baptised in Rafford: James, 14 March 1850 William, 27 August 1851 Isabella, 13 February 1854 This matches the index entry, except that this also mentions a daughter Jessie who doesn't turn up in the IGI. The answer is, of course, somewhere in the documents indexed in LIBINDX. Anne

Hi Anne Here's a guess for you to consider. You don't mention Janet's mother so this is a shot in the dark: . Could William Ritchie Hardwood have married a [?Janet] White? They had a daughter who they named Janet [after her mother and/or maternal g-mother], add Ritchie for Janet's father's middle name [?family tradition or the paternal g-mother's family name], add White for Janet's mother's maiden name [common practice], add Hardwood for the family name. This gives Janet Ritchie White Hardwood This is a long name by old standards and could easily transmogrify into the Janet Ritchie Whiteharriedwood you mention. Especially so if the clerk recording it couldn't be sure what the informant was saying - a fairly common occurrence judging by some Census entries. [You don't give a date for this entry] The 1841 Census of Aberdeenshire has a record a forename: "Oordad". You can imagine the conversation: "Is anyone else in the house?" "Aye, Oor Dad" "Who's that" "Oor Dad!" [Enumerator mutters "och, the hell with it" and fills the return in anyway!] Best wishes Ray www.whatsinaname.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Burgess To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Re: LIBINDX onLine at Long Last!!! > I have a question now and hoping that SKS might be able to help answer it. > On the site when I looked up James Fraser's father he was listed as " > James > Fraser Hardmuir". Janet Ritchie was named as "Janet Ritchie > Whiteharriedwood". Also Janet's father was named as " William Ritchie > Hardwood". What I don't understand is are the last names their surnames > or > do they stand for something else entirely? Hardmuir, Whiteharriewood & > Hardwood.... They will be the place where the family lived, as it was shown in whatever record the index entry was taken from. Anne ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

> I have a question now and hoping that SKS might be able to help answer it. > On the site when I looked up James Fraser's father he was listed as " > James > Fraser Hardmuir". Janet Ritchie was named as "Janet Ritchie > Whiteharriedwood". Also Janet's father was named as " William Ritchie > Hardwood". What I don't understand is are the last names their surnames > or > do they stand for something else entirely? Hardmuir, Whiteharriewood & > Hardwood.... They will be the place where the family lived, as it was shown in whatever record the index entry was taken from. Anne

I am searching for information on a Margaret Robb - she was christened March 10, 1826 in Auchterless, the daughter of James Robb and Margaret, Shand. She had two children by Peter Sandison born ca 1830 at Haremoss, Inverkeithny. They never married and the two children were George Sandison born August 22, 1850 and his sister, Isabella Sandison born August 20, 1848 in Auchterless. George Sandison is my grandfather. I know that George left home at a young age and believe that his mother, Margaret Robb died sometime between his birth in 1850 and the 1851 census. In the 1851 census Isabella is a boarder living with his great-aunt and great- uncle, Alexander Shand and Jane Shand in Quarrytown, Auchterless; George is living with his grandparents, James Sandison and Margaret Geddes at Haremoss in Inverkeithny. I have had a researcher look for a death of Margaret Robb to no avail and because it was before 1855 there is perhaps no record of her death. Until the 1861 and 1871 census information becomes available I have no information on the two children until my grandfather's marriage to Mary Riddel in 1878 in Inverkeithny. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005

> Hello, Can you tell me whether the cemetery next to a closed church, just > a > short way down the road from Kirkhill in Alves is the old Alves church and > cemetery? Apparently ye, it is. > When I was visiting several years ago, searching for my Robb and > collateral families, I stopped at a newer church only to find out that it > was > started > in the 1800's. The only other one I could find was the one mentioned > above. > Did I have the correct church and cemetery? If it is, have the MI's been > transcribed and published? Do lair records exist for it? I would be > searching > for > Robb, Asher, Duguid, Gillon, Man, McRae, Scott, Young and Troup families. You can search the indexes to MIs in Moray yourself; there is the Local Heritage Centre index at http://www.moray.gov.uk/LocalHeritage/Assets/html_pages/morayheritage.html and a possibly more accurate one in progress by the Aberdeen and North-East Scotland Family History Society at http://www.abdn.net/mi-index/ Best wishes Anne

LIBINDX, The Moray Local Heritage Centre index to people, places and topics in Moray*, is now, finally, online! http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp *This means the present Moray, which includes the old county of Moray except for Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, Duthil, and Abernethy; and the old county of Banff except Banff, Gamrie, Boyndie, Fordyce, Marnoch, Forglen, Alvah, Inverkeithny, Ordiquhill, and St Fergus. Have fun, everyone! Anne Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to be amused

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/46.70.424.922 Message Board Post: Hi Carol,I dont know If you are still doing your family tree but I think we MIGHT be related In some way.I have McConnachie's on my father's side In fact his mother was my Grandmother and they all came from Mortlach/Cabrach side.My father Is buried In Huntly but I have been to see where all the McConnachie's have been buried.hope to hear from you soon,kind reguards Helen Mcwiliam

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: simpson and archibald Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1266 Message Board Post: they can be found at www.moirbooks.homestead.com and you can search the index before you decide to buy

Could someone please tell me the contact address? Pat Dunbar

Hello William, the only information i have on the family of your William McKay and Ann ines is that their daughter Jane born c. 1840 (maybe a twin of Peter) married William Kemp in Inveravon on 20th of July 1865. I do have information on the Kemp side of the family if you would like it, I would appreciate anything you have on the McKay's or innes if it is not too much trouble. Regards ray

Hi George, it's been a long time since we talked - we linked through your Agnes JAMIESON of Inkerman Croft and husband James GEDDES of my Fordyce crowd. I'm only indirectly interested in the Auchinreath GEDDES, in the context of trying to establish a link - any link - with my two separate Geddes lines in Fordyce parish, one in the farms around Fordyce village and one in Portsoy. No luck so far! Your mention of <James GEDDES m. 28 Nov 1775 Anne JAMIESON>: I have a list of early Bellie baptisms, very kindly supplied by Ian Scott, where this couple are listed with two children. They're actually too late to be linked to my main Fordyce lot. Because I've taken so long to reach this Moray Digest, I've rather lost the thread. What's the background to your saying that George Geddes in Auchinreath was his grandfather? I presume your starting point is the Bellie MI 143 (thanks to you for giving these MIs to me years ago!), which was erected by James Geddes N Auchinreath in memory of George JAMESON and Katherine INNES. By looking at the Bellie baptism list, I can come up with this as a hypothetical ancestry: 1775: James Geddes m Ann Jamieson, and had two children, Nether Auchinreath. 1751: He could be James Geddes born 4-6-1751 to John Geddes and Margaret Wiseman, Nether Auchinreath. 1726: John Geddes could be bpt 30-10-1726 to Alexander Geddes and Helen Gallie, Nether Auchinreath. I can't see an equivalent likely route back to a George Geddes. Am I in the right ballpark, or am I waffling? And there's no linkage back (that I can see) from another mega-Geddes line in Fordyce back to these Auchinreath Geddeses, despite that both Alexander GEDDES (s/o John GEDDES and Ann MURDOCH) and his wife Helen GARDEN died Auchinreath 1885 age 77 and 67 respectively. And then there's brother James GEDDES (born abt1794 Bellie s/o John GEDDES and Ann MURDOCH) who married Ann Geddes (born abt1792 Bellie d/o Andrew GEDDES and Margaret THOMSON) and farmed Smerrick. Which brings us back round to a recent Moray-List thread regarding William GEDDES (another son of John GEDDES and Ann MURDOCH) who married Catherine GEDDES and who also died at Auchinreath. But, George, if you can group these early Bellie-ites into a coherent set of families, I'd be delighted! When I look at the array of names, I just want to have a nice cup of tea and a sit down (to quote the web site of that very name...) Regards Howard

Thanks, Anne. I'll get on to Scotland's People soon and look up Isabella Fraser. Funnily enough, she did marry fairly far from home i.e. Auchterderran, Fife. I didn't realise the 1861 census was more difficult to access Regards, Linda > > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > Date: 2005/02/21 Mon PM 10:53:46 GMT > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Re: [MORAY] Bakers in Lossie 1860 > > > Thanks for your reply. I did consider illegitimicy but presumed that the > > parents > were married because, on Isabella's marriage certificate, her > > mother is given > as Isabella Rhind, m.s. Fraser, ditto on her death > > certificate. > She would not be the first one to tell a little fib to hide the stigma of > illegitimacy, especially if she married far enough from home for no-one to > know the truth! > > > The other thing > > that made me think of the possibility of 2 Alexander Rhinds being bakers > > (though unlikely) was that her father was said to be deceased in 1887, the > > year > of her marriage, when I know that my Alexander Rhind was very much > > alive in > > 1891 census and on to his 3rd marriage, this time to his cousin, Marjory > > Rhind. > He didn't die until 1914, aged 78. > > > However, I do take on board that Isabella might have been illegitimate and > > this > would explain why I can find no records on Scotland's People. I > > presume that, > for decency, Isabella was called Rhind and, since > > Alexander went to > > Aberdeen, it might have been easier to presume him to be dead. > Possibly. It may also be that Isabella let it be known that Alexander Rhind > was the father - it was fairly common to do this, even if the errant dad had > declined to sign the birth certificate. > > > Anne, I would very much appreciate the 1861 census reference to Isabella > > Fraser. I had a look at the I.G.I. entry and it certainly fits, but I have > > no > > information about where she lived on her birth. > As I said, her birth certificate will tell you the exact address where she > was born. If you get this and let me know, I can find that address fairly > easily. The 1861 census isn't indexed and without that information it would > take a while to search the whole thing. > > > The family who are her descendants say that she was born in Lossiemouth > > and that she was brought up in same household as Ramsay MacDonald. In the > > > 1871 census it states: > > Isabella Ramsay, head, 60 years old, dressmaker, born Elgin > > Annie Ramsay, daughter, 22, dressmaker, b. Elgin > > Isabella Rhind, boarder, 10, scholar, b. Lossiemouth > > James MacDonald, grandson, 4, b. Lossiemouth. > > Unfortunately I don't have an address for this census entry as I got this > > info. > > from the family of Isabella. > I could get that one because I know exactly where Ramsay Macdonald was born > (Gregory Place) in 1867. There's a plaque outside commemorating the > occasion! > > Best wishes > > Anne > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >