Just tried to check Scotlands People to see if they have 1851 onwards census. Want to check on the weekend, but couldnt get past home page because I didnt have any money in it. Dont want to waste money before Saturday (true Scot!), could someone tell me if Scotlands People has the census 1851 and later please. Home page doesnt tell you what records they have. I have found a family in 1841 census not in the place we thought they would be and now I want to try and follow them to see where they went. I havent used SP for a while and I have forgotten if it has the census. Thanks Barbara -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005

I guess it is better than nothing, but to me it is incredibly expensive, and there are only 3 (I think) census years on it. When I compare it to ancestry.com, it retards research so much in comparison. I can sit and page through 150 pages of the entire Brooklyn, New York 1850 census in one evening on ancestry.com -- that's the original images I'm talking about. I can review the whole neighborhood. Then I can jump to any of the other years, or nearby areas, or quickly peruse the whole state for a certain name, and quickly look at the originals for those records. All this for $100 a year. I can spend hours reading the census every night if I want to. And I do spend a lot of time on it, it probably comes out to pennies per image. And there are some Canadian and UK censuses on it also. The contrast with Scotland's People is huge. I hope someday ancestry.com will get the Scottish censuses, or is it an issue that the government will not release them to private companies? And many people are doing a wonderful job getting some of them up for free, if they still need help when I retire I would like to help with that. Holly East Bangor, PA , > > I am an avid user of scotlandspeople and it has been a very good > experience. > I find that most everything is available freely on the IGI (but they did > miss a few!) I do not have much time as I have a day job and find > scotlandspeople more convenient. I will say, living in the USA, I have > had > a very good experience with it. >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: bannerman Cummings Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1268 Message Board Post: I am desperately trying to trace my Grandfathers paternal family and have come across a huge stumbling block from the word go. My grandfather was born Peter Bannerman on 4.12.1910 to Alice Bannerman of Elgin, Peter was then adopted a month after being born. In a Paternity suite nearly a year later, stating a William Cummings as the Father, the address Alice gave was Muirton Farm, Kinloss Forres, situated where the Air force Base now stands. Its thought she may have left the area soon after. Other than the information stated above we have been unable to trace any substantial records regarding his paternal mother any suggestions on how I may continue my search or any information regarding Peter or Alice would be most welcome.

If you type in LIBINDX in the address bar and hit go you will find it. I have just tried it. IACS

William, The scotlandspeople site dropped off line this evening. When it comes back up, I'm sure they will explain the cause (perhaps a power outage or server crash). As to your problem with viewing your record, there is an area for complaints in which you send them the record number and the problem. I have had problems twice and after notifying them, I've received an email apology, an air-mailed copy of the record, the restoration of my 5 page credits and a restart of my research time. Very generous of them. -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hi Sylvia, One way might be to subscribe to the Rootsweb list GEN-Railwaymen. Line Societies, like the Highland Railway Society, tend to focus on the history of the railway itself rather than its employees, so whilst we are likely to know how many tubes were in Cawdor Castle's boiler, we are unlikely to know even the name of the person who drove the loco for umpteen years. So you'll have more to tell us than we have to tell you! In fact, if you put together a short article on your gt-gdfather and submit to the Society's Journal (that's you telling us), you never know what feedback you might get (that's us telling you). How about it?! Regards Howard PS am I right that your John Russell is: 1881: Blackburn, Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland John RUSSELL M 41 M Speymouth, Elgin Rel: Head Occ: Railway Pointsman & Crofter Of 8 Ac Agnes RUSSELL M 37 F St Andrews, Elgin Rel: Wife James G. RUSSELL 10 M St Andrews, Elgin Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George RUSSELL 9 M St Andrews, Elgin Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Ann RUSSELL 7 F St Andrews, Elgin Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Agnes RUSSELL 5 F St Andrews, Elgin Rel: Daur Maggie Jane RUSSELL 3 F Speymouth, Elgin Rel: Daur John RUSSELL 2 M Speymouth, Elgin Rel: Son Isabella MOIR U 15 F Boyndie, Banff Rel: Servant Occ: General Servant Dom I note that James G Russell is James Geddes Russell born 20 JUN 1870 St. Andrews-Lhanbryd, Moray to John Russell and Agnes Smith. Should I be getting interested?! C Kennedy could be this person, in 1881: 2 Charles St, Inverness, Inverness Charles KENNEDY M 30 M born Dunkeld, Perth Head Occ: Inspector Of Railway Harriet KENNEDY M 25 F born Kirkhill, Inverness Rel: Wife

Alan, On the libindx site there is an entry for what looks like your Alexander PATERSON, b. pre 1819, died 9 March 1879 at Woodside of Altye, age 60+. There is reference to a newspaper article on an accidental death. -- Jo-Ann Croft

I had another idea today and took another look at the Rafford 1851 census. Sure enough, there it was, in the Altyre district (ED 1, Page 8) Harwood William Ritchie/head/mar/57/masson/Rafford Isabel Ritchie/wife/mar/55/Divie William Ritchie/son/um/30/general labourer/Rafford John Ritchie/grandchild/5/Inverness Isabel Ritchie/dau/unm/19/domestic work/Rafford I enjoyed the enumerator's description of the Altyre district: "The Altyre district is that part of the parish of Rafford which is bounded by the parish of Edinkillie on the south and south-west, the parish of Forres on the north and west, the district of Blervie on the east and the district of Cluny on the south-east. The length of this district is computed to be [3.5] miles by [?2?] miles in breadth. The lower part on thenorth is nearly level but towards the south the ground rises a considerable height. The district or estate is nearly covered with wood, the only open ground of any extent being around the mansion-house and in its vicinity. The farms in the district are all ver y small with the exception of one on the south-side and the lands farmed by the proprietor himself. The population consists of 109 males and 102 females, in all 211. The number of occupiers is 40 - inhabited houses 40 - uninhabited 1 - building none. This is the western division [of the parish of Rafford]. So we know that Janet's parents were living at Harwood/Hardwood/Harriewood/Whiteharriedwood in 1851. Mannachie Lodge still stands (I actually know the present occupants slightly). If you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for Manachie Farm. Just south-east ofit you will see a distillery (this is Dallas Dhu, which is now a visitor centre). Imediately west of the distilery there is a road junction. Mannachie Lodge is the tiny pink square in the south-west corner of the road jundction, between the road and the burn (stream)which flows past the distillery from the little pond in the woods. If you use the grid reference 303500,856500 in the search box the arrow should point to the Lodge. We still haven't worked out where Har(rie)wood is but we're working on it. HTH Anne

Thanks Jo-Ann. Did try again and was able to send them a note I have no trouble with the site. Actually I find it very useful. Thanks for your prompt reply. William ----- Original Message ----- From: <jecroft@att.net> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: [MORAY] RE: ScotlandsPeople > William, > > The scotlandspeople site dropped off line this evening. When it comes back > up, I'm sure they will explain the cause (perhaps a power outage or server > crash). > > As to your problem with viewing your record, there is an area for > complaints in which you send them the record number and the problem. I > have had problems twice and after notifying them, I've received an email > apology, an air-mailed copy of the record, the restoration of my 5 page > credits and a restart of my research time. Very generous of them. > > -- > Jo-Ann Croft > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

> for the death of my g-g gr. mo. and am hoping sks can look them up when > they are in the Elgin Library, write down what it says, and post the > information for me. The name is listed as "Mrs. Brodie". The entries > are: > Courant - p. 3/ col. 8 - 7 Jul 1884 > Moray/Nairn Express - p. 5/ col 7 - 11 Jul 1884. Both notices are identical. They read: "BRODIE - In London West, Ontario, on the 27th June, the wife of John Brodie, jeweller (late of Elgin) aged thirty-eight years." In fact both the newspaper dates are one day wrong - the courant one is on 8 July and the MNE one on 12 July 1884. HTH Anne

Hi Barbara I'm afraid you will have to wait till Summer 2005 for 1851c, still just 1881/1891/1901c. You can see what is on the site without logging in, go to 'About this site' from the left hand side of the Home page and then when the next page loads, from the right side this time, 'What's in the database'. Janice -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Farquharson [mailto:blacksheep21@optusnet.com.au] Sent: 03 March 2005 20:22 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] Cenusus 1851 0nwards Just tried to check Scotlands People to see if they have 1851 onwards census. Want to check on the weekend, but couldnt get past home page because I didnt have any money in it. Dont want to waste money before Saturday (true Scot!), could someone tell me if Scotlands People has the census 1851 and later please. Home page doesnt tell you what records they have. I have found a family in 1841 census not in the place we thought they would be and now I want to try and follow them to see where they went. I havent used SP for a while and I have forgotten if it has the census. Thanks Barbara -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005 ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Can anyone tell me what information the poor relief records would contain. I have just found my 3rd great grandmother Margaret (Robertson) Chalmers (wife of James Logie Chalmers) applying for poor relief at age 96. I assume she is living in Elgin at the time. Can the poor relief records be ordered from the Elgin library or how does one access the information they contain? This find was because of the new Libindx - what a great site. Thanks for any help you can give. Victoria Winnipeg, MB - Canada

William, I am an avid user of scotlandspeople and it has been a very good experience. I find that most everything is available freely on the IGI (but they did miss a few!) I do not have much time as I have a day job and find scotlandspeople more convenient. I will say, living in the USA, I have had a very good experience with it. To everyone on this list, I am visiting the Highlands in May. I plan to hit as many cemeteries as I can find in the area, Nairn / Inverness. I can not promise much as I have never been to Scotland and do not know what I will find there, but I would be more than happy to provide photos of the MI's of the cemeteries that are in the area. Kind regards, Sherry Researching: CALDER / LAMB / MACKINTOSH ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople > Tried to acces this site at 8:30 pm but could not. > > Earlier I was able to access and get, for 1 credit, the death of Elspet > Innes who died in 1934 in Glenlivet Banff. I then wanted to view for 5 > credits and it showed the wrong death certificate. What came up was the > first name on the list of McHardy which was not what I was looking for. > > At the beginning of this session I had 9 credits and used 1 for the above > Elspet and 5 to view same. > > I would like to have my 5 credits back so I can retry to view. > > William Innes in montreal > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the > sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you > ;-) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Tried to acces this site at 8:30 pm but could not. Earlier I was able to access and get, for 1 credit, the death of Elspet Innes who died in 1934 in Glenlivet Banff. I then wanted to view for 5 credits and it showed the wrong death certificate. What came up was the first name on the list of McHardy which was not what I was looking for. At the beginning of this session I had 9 credits and used 1 for the above Elspet and 5 to view same. I would like to have my 5 credits back so I can retry to view. William Innes in montreal

Hello everyone. This is my first posting, so I hope it works correctly. We are trying to find out more about Alexander and Jane Paterson (nee Torrie). They were married at Rafford in 1840: the wedding certificate shows him as a Farm Servant in Blervie and she as resident in Woodside. The 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses show her still living in Woodside (aged 82 in 1901) but he does not appear (died?). He was alive in 1859 when his youngest child Isobella was born. We do not know when either were born or died, or whether either Paterson or Torrie were Rafford families. We have searched all the Moray listings from the time the lists began but can find little about Rafford and its families. Does anyone have any knowledge of these families? It is likely that Alexander and Jane are buried in Rafford church. Are there any MIs for Rafford? Isabella Paterson married William Nicol (born Dallas) in 24/10/1890, and it is from this union that we are descended. His parents were Alexander Nicol (1813-1879) and Janet McGillivray (1820-1896) both of whom ran the Dallas post office between the 1870s and 1890s. We have traced the Nicol family back to a James Nicol (1719-1777) of Kintessack. If anyone is researching the Nicol family in Kintessack/Moy and of Dallas, or knows of a John McGillivray married to Janet Falconer, who had a child, Donald McGillivray in 1791, we will be very happy to expand on what we know. Alan Conchie

I am looking for any DAWSON links in Banff with the following ; Children of Agnes Gray and William Dawson are: Elizabeth Dawson, born 19 Apr 1872 in MacDuff, Banff. Alexander Dawson, born 28 Feb 1874 in MacDuff, Banff. Aggie Dawson, born 1876 in MacDuff, Banff. Alice Dawson, born 1885 in MacDuff, Banff. Mary Dawson, born 1886 in MacDuff, Banff. I would love to hear from anyone with these on your tree ! Many Thanks Kyle McAllister

Barbara I have the 1881 census on Cd so could do a look up for you without having to pay on Scotland's people Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Farquharson" <blacksheep21@optusnet.com.au> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [MORAY] Cenusus 1851 0nwards > Janice, > thanks for answering, I need the 1851 or 1861 census as the son was in NZ > by 1867, but I may find the parents on the 1881 census. Have to look for > their deaths anyway, so I'll try 1881 and see what I get. I havent used Sp > for a few months and had forgotten about checking about this site. I dont > get a lot of time on the computer these days and I forget how I got into > things. > Thanks again, > Barbara > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.0 - Release Date: 2/03/2005 > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello. If you go to the Libindx site at Moray Govt at. www.moray.org/LocalHeritage, you will find the death of Jane Paterson. Oct 9th 1901 age 82 at St Leonards Rd Forres. Married to Alexander Paterson, labourer. Doesn't show his death unfortunately. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "alan conchie" <aconchie@ntlworld.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: [MORAY] Paterson and Torrie in Rafford > Hello everyone. This is my first posting, so I hope it works correctly. > > We are trying to find out more about Alexander and Jane Paterson (nee > Torrie). They were married at Rafford in 1840: the wedding certificate > shows him as a Farm Servant in Blervie and she as resident in Woodside. > The 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses show her still living in Woodside (aged > 82 in 1901) but he does not appear (died?). He was alive in 1859 when his > youngest child Isobella was born. > > We do not know when either were born or died, or whether either Paterson > or Torrie were Rafford families. We have searched all the Moray listings > from the time the lists began but can find little about Rafford and its > families. Does anyone have any knowledge of these families? It is > likely that Alexander and Jane are buried in Rafford church. Are there > any MIs for Rafford? > > Isabella Paterson married William Nicol (born Dallas) in 24/10/1890, and > it is from this union that we are descended. His parents were Alexander > Nicol (1813-1879) and Janet McGillivray (1820-1896) both of whom ran the > Dallas post office between the 1870s and 1890s. We have traced the Nicol > family back to a James Nicol (1719-1777) of Kintessack. > > If anyone is researching the Nicol family in Kintessack/Moy and of Dallas, > or knows of a John McGillivray married to Janet Falconer, who had a child, > Donald McGillivray in 1791, we will be very happy to expand on what we > know. > > Alan Conchie > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

How do I find railway information about my great grandfather, John Russell? His obituary in the Elgin Courant and Courier of Feb. 12, 1901 mentions he "left the railway service some 15 years ago, and took the farm of Wester Bauds"...He carried on a coal business at the station [at Orbliston] He was Superintendent of the Orbliston Mission Hall Sunday School, [for nearly forty years.] In a Church of Scotland Teachers' Magazine of Sept. 1916, he is remembered in this way - "His name is intimately associated with that of Mr. C. Kennedy, Stores Superintendent Highland Railway, Inverness, in the founding of the Orbliston Sabbath School in 1872...for over fifteen years the pupils assembled in the waiting-room of Orbliston Station, till...the Mission Hall was built in 1888.- The idea for the Sabbath School was the idea of John's sister, Miss Agnes Russell. I hope to be in Elgin for an Aug. 12th wedding, and plan on doing family research again, while I'm there. I visited Scotland in 1998. I can't wait to make this return trip. It's always enjoyable to read all the stories and helpful hints of this site. TIA Sylvia Russell Coast Pennsylvania, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Geddes" <hwg58lists@hwgeddes.freeserve.co.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Libindx - Highland Railway > First, the Libindx is a super resource to have online. Congratulations to > Graeme Wilson and his colleagues. > > I am Archivist for The Highland Railway Society. We have just this past week > acquired a ledger "Highland Railway - List of Employees in Locomotive > Department" dated 1906, it has handwritten alphabetic entries of all those > signing on with the HR, from 1906 until the great War, with occupations, > dates of entry and leaving HR service, and remarks. I'm not sure how it > relates to the ledger at the SRO. > > > Above is just a one-off. I'm afraid it's not possible to offer a 'look-up' > service, so please don't ask! If anyone's interested, they'll have to join > the Society first. We have a website http://www.hrsoc.org.uk/ which is > currently under reconstruction but the old version is still accessible. > > Regards Howard Geddes >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: CLEVENGER, POPE, DIVELBISS, WHITNEY KELLEY, HAWKINS, SHAVER, Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1267 Message Board Post: The obit was in The Daily News, Richmond on 2/28/05 TEXT: Lola E. W. Clevenger, 92, of Richmond, Mo., died Saturday, Febv. 26, 2005, at Shirley Nursing and Rehabilitation Center in Richmond. Mrs. Clevenger was born March 8, 1912 in Braymer, Mo., to Chester and Louise May (Pope) Divelbiss. She married Eugene Whitney of Braymer, Mo., who preceded her in death on Jan. 13, 1982. She later married Herbert L. Clevenger of Braymer, MO., on May 5, 1982. He preceded her in death on Feb. 24, 2003. She is survived by two step-sons, Roger Clevenger, Lathrop, Mo., and Oscar Clevenger, Clinton, Mo,; one step-daughter, Patricia Kelley, Springfield, Mo.; five sisters-in-law, Maxine Hawkins, Norborne, Mo., Louise Shaver, Fort Smith, Ark,; Nadine Silkwood, Chillicothe, Mo., Mildred Redman, Laurie, Mo., and Olive May Clevenger, Braymer; and one brother-in-law and sister-in -law, Bart and Mary Clevenger, Braymer. She is also survived by several nieces and nephews. Mrs.Cleventer was a member of the Braymer Christian Church. She lived in the Braymer and Richmond areas most of her life. She was a graduate of the Braymer High School and a homemaker. The family suggests memorial contributions be made to the Evergreen Cemetery Association. Funeral services will be held Tuesday, March 1, 2005, at 10:30 a.m. at the Thurman Funeral Home in Richmond. There will be no visitation. Burial will be at Evergreen Cemetery in Braymer. Thurman Funeral Home in Richmond, Mo., is in charge of the arrangements.