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I just hate it when people make me cry! Must be my age. Thanks Carol for the beautiful poem Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: carol To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: [MORAY] Poem - Crabby Old Woman This was sent to another mailing list, the sender said I could send to all of my lists. Hope you enjoy the words enjoy Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb When an old lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near Dundee, Scotland, it was believed that she had nothing left of any value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. One nurse took her copy to Ireland. The old lady's sole bequest to posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News Magazine of the North Ireland Association for Mental Health. A slide presentation has also been made based on her simple, but eloquent, poem. And this little old Scottish lady, with nothing left to give to the world, is now the author of this "anonymous" poem winging across the Internet: Crabby Old Woman What do you see, nurses? What do you see? What are you thinking When you're looking at me? A crabby old woman, Not very wise, With faraway eyes? Who dribbles her food And makes no reply When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!" Who seems not to notice The things that you do, And forever is losing A stocking or shoe? Who, resisting or not, Lets you do as you will, With bathing and feeding, The long day to fill? Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see? Then open your eyes, nurse, You're not looking at me. I'll tell you who I am As I sit here so still, As I do at your bidding, As I eat at your will. I'm a small child of ten With a father and mother, Brothers and sisters, Who love one another. A young girl of sixteen With wings on her feet Dreaming that soon now A lover she'll meet. A bride soon at twenty, My heart gives a leap, Remembering the vows That I promised to keep At twenty-five now, I have young of my own, Who need me to guide And a secure happy home. A woman of thirty, My young now grown fast, Bound to each other With ties that should last. At forty, my young sons Have grown and are gone, But my man's beside me To see I don't mourn. At fifty once more, Babies play round my knee, Again we know children, My loved one and me. Dark days are upon me, My husband is dead, I look at the future, I shudder with dread. For my young are all rearing Young of their own, And I think of the years And the love that I've known. I'm now an old woman And nature is cruel; 'Tis jest to make old age Look like a fool. The body, it crumbles, Grace and vigor depart, There is now a stone Where I once had a heart. But inside this old carcass A young girl still dwells, And now and again, My battered heart swells. I remember the joys, I remember the pain, And I'm loving and living Life over again. I think of the years All too few, gone too fast, And accept the stark fact That nothing can last. So open your eyes, people, Open and see, Not a crabby old woman; Look closer . . . see ME!! ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Carol - I plan on making a special point of putting this up in our auxiliary hospitals and homes for the elderly around here. How I wish I had had this when my Mom was in a ward and received some degrading treatment (she taught school for 35 years) - Too many people don't realize that we all take the same trip! Thank you One should never, never assume. J Stewart carol wrote: > This was sent to another mailing list, the sender said I could send to > all of my lists. Hope you enjoy the words > > enjoy > > Carol > Admin Moray Mailing List > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb > > When an old lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near > Dundee, Scotland, it was believed that she had nothing left of any > value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager > possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so > impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every > nurse in the hospital. > One nurse took her copy to Ireland. The old lady's sole bequest to > posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News > Magazine of the North Ireland Association for Mental Health. A slide > presentation has also been made based on her simple, but eloquent, > poem. And this little old Scottish lady, with nothing left to give to > the world, is now the author of this "anonymous" poem winging across > the Internet: > > > Crabby Old Woman > > What do you see, nurses? What do you see? > What are you thinking When you're looking at me? > A crabby old woman, Not very wise, > With faraway eyes? > Who dribbles her food And makes no reply > When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!" > Who seems not to notice The things that you do, > And forever is losing A stocking or shoe? > Who, resisting or not, Lets you do as you will, > With bathing and feeding, The long day to fill? > Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see? > Then open your eyes, nurse, You're not looking at me. > I'll tell you who I am As I sit here so still, > As I do at your bidding, As I eat at your will. > I'm a small child of ten With a father and mother, > Brothers and sisters, Who love one another. > A young girl of sixteen With wings on her feet > Dreaming that soon now A lover she'll meet. > A bride soon at twenty, My heart gives a leap, > Remembering the vows That I promised to keep > At twenty-five now, I have young of my own, > Who need me to guide And a secure happy home. > A woman of thirty, My young now grown fast, > Bound to each other With ties that should last. > At forty, my young sons Have grown and are gone, > But my man's beside me To see I don't mourn. > At fifty once more, Babies play round my knee, > Again we know children, My loved one and me. > Dark days are upon me, My husband is dead, > I look at the future, I shudder with dread. > For my young are all rearing Young of their own, > And I think of the years And the love that I've known. > I'm now an old woman And nature is cruel; > 'Tis jest to make old age Look like a fool. > The body, it crumbles, Grace and vigor depart, > There is now a stone Where I once had a heart. > But inside this old carcass A young girl still dwells, > And now and again, My battered heart swells. > I remember the joys, I remember the pain, > And I'm loving and living Life over again. > I think of the years All too few, gone too fast, > And accept the stark fact That nothing can last. > So open your eyes, people, Open and see, > Not a crabby old woman; Look closer . . . see ME!! > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns > about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com > or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I have a William Gordon born 23-6-1844 in Gartly, Aberdeen to John Gordon and Jean Green. They moved to Banff about 1849-50. Could your William be my William by any chance?? Barbara -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005

Hello Meredith; I am looking fo find my SMART relatives in the US 1930 Census. Would you please check Erie Pa. for Mrs.JACK DAVIDSON , (Elizabeth) ms Smart. b. Vermont or Scotland. b. approx. 1900. ERIE was her home in 1925 when her father, JAMES SMART b. Alvah , Banff, died in Vermont. I am also searching for her sister , JANE or JEAN, Mrs. J E BURKE of Norton Mills, Vermont , b. approx. 1898, at whose home JAMES SMART passed away in 1925. Any assistance would be most gratefully received. Kind Regards, Ruth in Canada.

I took advantage of Ancestry's trial for Great Britain and wasn't successful in finding any relatives, so I quickly cancelled it. I do have a regular subscription to Ancestry to look up US census records - certain years do have extra information and can be helpful to backtrack to find more family. I am willing to do US census lookups for anyone - if you have a few it doesn't make sense to pay the fee. I have found Scotland's People to be very helpful, even though I'd rather be in Edinburgh to do my own lookups, I don't think I have come close to paying for an airline ticket yet when buying credits. Meridith Scott Keyes Everett, Washington - USA Researching Cameron, Taylor, Geddes, McCook in Moray and Inverness Researching Scott, Sinclair, Slater, Muir, Cooper in the Orkney Islands

I'm not Anne, but I do know that Boharm is a Parish name ,not a town one. The Parish of Boharm embraces several towns,villages,hamlets,etc Ray NZ > > From: Shirley <shartley11@shaw.ca> > Date: 2005/03/05 Sat PM 06:52:46 GMT+13:00 > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MORAY] Re:] LIBINDX - William Gordon/Mary Watt > > Hi Ann, > Maybe you can help with some expertise here. > I was looking forward to checking the website out but cant find the Town.of > Boharm. I know that this town was wholely in Banffshire until 1891 when the > borders > were redrawn, cutting it almost in half. I think the northern part lies in > what is Morayshire? > I guess I just want to find my ancestors on a great wehsite like this. So > why didnt they > include this area? > > Shirley > Winnipeg, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:46 AM > Subject: [MORAY] LIBINDX onLine at Long Last!!! > > > > LIBINDX, The Moray Local Heritage Centre index to people, places and > > topics in Moray*, is now, finally, online! > > > > http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp > > > > *This means the present Moray, which includes the old county of Moray > > except for Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, Duthil, and Abernethy; and the > > old county of Banff except Banff, Gamrie, Boyndie, Fordyce, Marnoch, > > Forglen, Alvah, Inverkeithny, Ordiquhill, and St Fergus. > > > > Have fun, everyone! > > > > Anne > > > > Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never fail to > > be amused > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > > lister. > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005 > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Colleen: Could this site be of help? http://130.209.236.56/ewan/chronology/companydates.asp?line=Morayshire_Railw ay Regards, L. Ross

I shed a good few tears too! My nan will be 85 this month. I used to be a nurse and I always looked after people as if they were my own family. Certainly brings things home, especially when the wheel turns and you need help yourself. Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wiccanpt2" <Wiccanpt2@netzero.net> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Poem - Crabby Old Woman > Thank you Carol...............even though it caused me to be teary eyed, > it does make one stop and think. I have a grandmother who will soon be > 98. > > Sherry > Canton, MI > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carol" <carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:36 PM > Subject: [MORAY] Poem - Crabby Old Woman > > >> This was sent to another mailing list, the sender said I could send to >> all of my lists. Hope you enjoy the words >> >> enjoy >> >> Carol >> Admin Moray Mailing List >> www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb >> >> When an old lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near >> Dundee, Scotland, it was believed that she had nothing left of any >> value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager possessions, >> they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff >> that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. >> One nurse took her copy to Ireland. The old lady's sole bequest to >> posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News >> Magazine of the North Ireland Association for Mental Health. A slide >> presentation has also been made based on her simple, but eloquent, poem. >> And this little old Scottish lady, with nothing left to give to the >> world, is now the author of this "anonymous" poem winging across the >> Internet: >> >> >> Crabby Old Woman >> >> What do you see, nurses? What do you see? >> What are you thinking When you're looking at me? >> A crabby old woman, Not very wise, >> With faraway eyes? >> Who dribbles her food And makes no reply >> When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!" >> Who seems not to notice The things that you do, >> And forever is losing A stocking or shoe? >> Who, resisting or not, Lets you do as you will, >> With bathing and feeding, The long day to fill? >> Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see? >> Then open your eyes, nurse, You're not looking at me. >> I'll tell you who I am As I sit here so still, >> As I do at your bidding, As I eat at your will. >> I'm a small child of ten With a father and mother, >> Brothers and sisters, Who love one another. >> A young girl of sixteen With wings on her feet >> Dreaming that soon now A lover she'll meet. >> A bride soon at twenty, My heart gives a leap, >> Remembering the vows That I promised to keep >> At twenty-five now, I have young of my own, >> Who need me to guide And a secure happy home. >> A woman of thirty, My young now grown fast, >> Bound to each other With ties that should last. >> At forty, my young sons Have grown and are gone, >> But my man's beside me To see I don't mourn. >> At fifty once more, Babies play round my knee, >> Again we know children, My loved one and me. >> Dark days are upon me, My husband is dead, >> I look at the future, I shudder with dread. >> For my young are all rearing Young of their own, >> And I think of the years And the love that I've known. >> I'm now an old woman And nature is cruel; >> 'Tis jest to make old age Look like a fool. >> The body, it crumbles, Grace and vigor depart, >> There is now a stone Where I once had a heart. >> But inside this old carcass A young girl still dwells, >> And now and again, My battered heart swells. >> I remember the joys, I remember the pain, >> And I'm loving and living Life over again. >> I think of the years All too few, gone too fast, >> And accept the stark fact That nothing can last. >> So open your eyes, people, Open and see, >> Not a crabby old woman; Look closer . . . see ME!! >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> Please do not send virus warnings to this list. 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This was sent to another mailing list, the sender said I could send to all of my lists. Hope you enjoy the words enjoy Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb When an old lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near Dundee, Scotland, it was believed that she had nothing left of any value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. One nurse took her copy to Ireland. The old lady's sole bequest to posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News Magazine of the North Ireland Association for Mental Health. A slide presentation has also been made based on her simple, but eloquent, poem. And this little old Scottish lady, with nothing left to give to the world, is now the author of this "anonymous" poem winging across the Internet: Crabby Old Woman What do you see, nurses? What do you see? What are you thinking When you're looking at me? A crabby old woman, Not very wise, With faraway eyes? Who dribbles her food And makes no reply When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!" Who seems not to notice The things that you do, And forever is losing A stocking or shoe? Who, resisting or not, Lets you do as you will, With bathing and feeding, The long day to fill? Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see? Then open your eyes, nurse, You're not looking at me. I'll tell you who I am As I sit here so still, As I do at your bidding, As I eat at your will. I'm a small child of ten With a father and mother, Brothers and sisters, Who love one another. A young girl of sixteen With wings on her feet Dreaming that soon now A lover she'll meet. A bride soon at twenty, My heart gives a leap, Remembering the vows That I promised to keep At twenty-five now, I have young of my own, Who need me to guide And a secure happy home. A woman of thirty, My young now grown fast, Bound to each other With ties that should last. At forty, my young sons Have grown and are gone, But my man's beside me To see I don't mourn. At fifty once more, Babies play round my knee, Again we know children, My loved one and me. Dark days are upon me, My husband is dead, I look at the future, I shudder with dread. For my young are all rearing Young of their own, And I think of the years And the love that I've known. I'm now an old woman And nature is cruel; 'Tis jest to make old age Look like a fool. The body, it crumbles, Grace and vigor depart, There is now a stone Where I once had a heart. But inside this old carcass A young girl still dwells, And now and again, My battered heart swells. I remember the joys, I remember the pain, And I'm loving and living Life over again. I think of the years All too few, gone too fast, And accept the stark fact That nothing can last. So open your eyes, people, Open and see, Not a crabby old woman; Look closer . . . see ME!!

Hi, You could try the 1901 Canadian Census at: http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/index.html Gay -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of paulinesalisbury@fsmail.net Sent: March 5, 2005 1:42 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] Re: Jane Tough This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: tough tiffin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/5538/BgC.2ACI/111.315.317.2 Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for info on PETER TOUGH, son of PETER TOUGH and JOHANNA MCARTHUR. He married my great aunt MARY JANE TIFFIN in Carlisle 1894.I don't know whether they had any children but Mary Jane died young (37) in 1899 and I can't find any trace of Peter after that. He was not the informant on her death cert which I think is odd.I can't find him on thre 1901 census in England or Scotland, and no death record! Any help much appreciated. ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi I have experienced a 'slippage' in the linking of the index to the actual entry, usually by one page, and have reported this to scotlandspeople and the correct image has been provided and the credits refunded. However, I would stress that this does not only happen when using scotlandspeople on the Internet as the same problem has arisen when I visited New Register House to do research. In these circumstances it is easy to find the correct entry and when notified to the staff they take steps to have the error corrected. Ian A C Scott

Thank you Carol...............even though it caused me to be teary eyed, it does make one stop and think. I have a grandmother who will soon be 98. Sherry Canton, MI ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" <carol@wakefieldfhs.org.uk> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: [MORAY] Poem - Crabby Old Woman > This was sent to another mailing list, the sender said I could send to all > of my lists. Hope you enjoy the words > > enjoy > > Carol > Admin Moray Mailing List > www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb > > When an old lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near > Dundee, Scotland, it was believed that she had nothing left of any value. > Later, when the nurses were going through her meager possessions, they > found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that > copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. > One nurse took her copy to Ireland. The old lady's sole bequest to > posterity has since appeared in the Christmas edition of the News Magazine > of the North Ireland Association for Mental Health. A slide presentation > has also been made based on her simple, but eloquent, poem. And this > little old Scottish lady, with nothing left to give to the world, is now > the author of this "anonymous" poem winging across the Internet: > > > Crabby Old Woman > > What do you see, nurses? What do you see? > What are you thinking When you're looking at me? > A crabby old woman, Not very wise, > With faraway eyes? > Who dribbles her food And makes no reply > When you say in a loud voice, "I do wish you'd try!" > Who seems not to notice The things that you do, > And forever is losing A stocking or shoe? > Who, resisting or not, Lets you do as you will, > With bathing and feeding, The long day to fill? > Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see? > Then open your eyes, nurse, You're not looking at me. > I'll tell you who I am As I sit here so still, > As I do at your bidding, As I eat at your will. > I'm a small child of ten With a father and mother, > Brothers and sisters, Who love one another. > A young girl of sixteen With wings on her feet > Dreaming that soon now A lover she'll meet. > A bride soon at twenty, My heart gives a leap, > Remembering the vows That I promised to keep > At twenty-five now, I have young of my own, > Who need me to guide And a secure happy home. > A woman of thirty, My young now grown fast, > Bound to each other With ties that should last. > At forty, my young sons Have grown and are gone, > But my man's beside me To see I don't mourn. > At fifty once more, Babies play round my knee, > Again we know children, My loved one and me. > Dark days are upon me, My husband is dead, > I look at the future, I shudder with dread. > For my young are all rearing Young of their own, > And I think of the years And the love that I've known. > I'm now an old woman And nature is cruel; > 'Tis jest to make old age Look like a fool. > The body, it crumbles, Grace and vigor depart, > There is now a stone Where I once had a heart. > But inside this old carcass A young girl still dwells, > And now and again, My battered heart swells. > I remember the joys, I remember the pain, > And I'm loving and living Life over again. > I think of the years All too few, gone too fast, > And accept the stark fact That nothing can last. > So open your eyes, people, Open and see, > Not a crabby old woman; Look closer . . . see ME!! > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns > about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or > join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Laura, Never mind, it was good of you to try. The leads don't ring any bells at the moment but you never know when they might fall into place. Thanks again, Ian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: tough tiffin Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/5538/BgC.2ACI/111.315.317.2 Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for info on PETER TOUGH, son of PETER TOUGH and JOHANNA MCARTHUR. He married my great aunt MARY JANE TIFFIN in Carlisle 1894.I don't know whether they had any children but Mary Jane died young (37) in 1899 and I can't find any trace of Peter after that. He was not the informant on her death cert which I think is odd.I can't find him on thre 1901 census in England or Scotland, and no death record! Any help much appreciated.

Colleen, from your description, he definitely worked for the Great North of Scotland Railway. They had the branch to Lossiemouth, and had two routes from Aberdeen to Elgin, whereas the Highland only got as far as Keith from Inverness. The Great North of Scotland Railway Association: http://www.griffon.clara.net/gnsra/ The Highland Railway Society: http://www.hrsoc.org.uk/ Also definitely worth a look for anyone wanting to get a background in their local area's railway history: http://www.railscot.co.uk (for you, Colleen, aim for the Morayshire Railway re Lossiemouth). Howard Geddes

You beat me to it George. Was about to send you an email. I did send an email to them and still waiting for a reply. Did I send it to the right people? Hope so. This site is by far the best that I have come across for my research. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Watt" <gwatt30@hotmail.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople - Download Errors > Hi William -et al, > > I have had a similar experience on at least three occasions. I have simply > notified SP of the problem by e-mail and they have sent a photocopy of the > correct certifcate by airmail together with an apology for any > inconvenience. > The service provided by SP is second to none! > > George in Ottawa > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >>From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >>Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >>To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople >>Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:40:16 -0500 >> >>The image was never lost, it was never there. >> >>Thanks Ray. >> >>I did look-up the previous searches, and checked what you suggested. I am >>still convinced that what I got in the “View Paid” is not what was shown >>in the Results Navigation. Here’s why: >> >>The Results Navigation ( from left to right ) gave me the results of my >>search which was what I was looking for, as follows: >> >>1, 1934, Innes, Elspet, F, 82, Glenlivet, Banff, 157/02, 0006 >> >>What the “View Paid” gave me was: >> >>Correct year of death = 1934 >> >>1) Margaret McHardy >> >>2) Jane Ann McGillivray >> >>3) Arthur Christie >> >>There is a mistake there and that is why I sent the email. >> >>William in Montreal >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> >>To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:05 PM >>Subject: Re: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople >> >> >>>Hi William >>> >>>Re: Your "lost" Image on the Scotland's People website. >>> >>>When you log on the "Previous Searches" tag on the left >>>will give you a history of all the searches you have paid for. >>>Click on the one which contains the image you "lost". >>>If you have been debited the 5 credits for the Image, >>>the box on the right should say "View (Paid)". >>> >>>Assuming this to be so, by clicking on the View (Paid) box >>>you will be able to view the image as many times as you like. >>> >>>[Note to new users: the Image opens in a new window >>>(which may possibly be hidden behind the Hits List)! >>>Hint: modify search parameters to maximise the Hits List to a >>>multiple of 25: extra hits may become relatives in due course.] >>> >>>You can also use the tag labelled "Previously Viewed Images" >>>but the listing of this was virtually encrypted when I tried it so >>>we don't use that route. Because we have done over 500 >>>searches, and you can't "search" the list of previous searches, >>>we have had to maintain an index of our previous searches. >>>But that enables us to look up our archive when we find >>>another possible branch so is useful anyway. >>> >>>Reference Holly's view that it is incredibly expensive. >>> >>>We've used Scotland's People extensively over 2 years. Given >>>the amount of data on the site, indexed by professionals, all >>>of which has to be paid for, we think that it is good value for >>>money. Yes, there have been the occasional problems but >>>how much worse off would our research be without it?! >>> >>>We congratulate all the staff there for a job well done. >>> >>> >>>Good luck with the hunt William >>> >>>Ray Hennessy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: William Innes >>> To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:36 AM >>> Subject: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople >>> >>> >>> Tried to acces this site at 8:30 pm but could not. >>> >>> Earlier I was able to access and get, for 1 credit, the death of Elspet >>> Innes who died in 1934 in Glenlivet Banff. I then wanted to view for 5 >>> credits and it showed the wrong death certificate. What came up was the >>> first name on the list of McHardy which was not what I was looking for. >>> >>> At the beginning of this session I had 9 credits and used 1 for the >>> above >>> Elspet and 5 to view same. >>> >>> I would like to have my 5 credits back so I can retry to view. >>> >>> William Innes in montreal >>> >>> >>>==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>>" Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted >>>message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the >>>sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you >>>;-) >>> >>>============================== >>>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >>>ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >>>Learn more: >>>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >>> >> >> >>==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>Please do not send virus warnings to this list. 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Hi William -et al, I have had a similar experience on at least three occasions. I have simply notified SP of the problem by e-mail and they have sent a photocopy of the correct certifcate by airmail together with an apology for any inconvenience. The service provided by SP is second to none! George in Ottawa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:40:16 -0500 > >The image was never lost, it was never there. > >Thanks Ray. > >I did look-up the previous searches, and checked what you suggested. I am >still convinced that what I got in the “View Paid” is not what was shown in >the Results Navigation. Here’s why: > >The Results Navigation ( from left to right ) gave me the results of my >search which was what I was looking for, as follows: > >1, 1934, Innes, Elspet, F, 82, Glenlivet, Banff, 157/02, 0006 > >What the “View Paid” gave me was: > >Correct year of death = 1934 > >1) Margaret McHardy > >2) Jane Ann McGillivray > >3) Arthur Christie > >There is a mistake there and that is why I sent the email. > >William in Montreal > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Hennessy" <ray@whatsinaname.net> >To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:05 PM >Subject: Re: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople > > >>Hi William >> >>Re: Your "lost" Image on the Scotland's People website. >> >>When you log on the "Previous Searches" tag on the left >>will give you a history of all the searches you have paid for. >>Click on the one which contains the image you "lost". >>If you have been debited the 5 credits for the Image, >>the box on the right should say "View (Paid)". >> >>Assuming this to be so, by clicking on the View (Paid) box >>you will be able to view the image as many times as you like. >> >>[Note to new users: the Image opens in a new window >>(which may possibly be hidden behind the Hits List)! >>Hint: modify search parameters to maximise the Hits List to a >>multiple of 25: extra hits may become relatives in due course.] >> >>You can also use the tag labelled "Previously Viewed Images" >>but the listing of this was virtually encrypted when I tried it so >>we don't use that route. Because we have done over 500 >>searches, and you can't "search" the list of previous searches, >>we have had to maintain an index of our previous searches. >>But that enables us to look up our archive when we find >>another possible branch so is useful anyway. >> >>Reference Holly's view that it is incredibly expensive. >> >>We've used Scotland's People extensively over 2 years. Given >>the amount of data on the site, indexed by professionals, all >>of which has to be paid for, we think that it is good value for >>money. Yes, there have been the occasional problems but >>how much worse off would our research be without it?! >> >>We congratulate all the staff there for a job well done. >> >> >>Good luck with the hunt William >> >>Ray Hennessy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: William Innes >> To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:36 AM >> Subject: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople >> >> >> Tried to acces this site at 8:30 pm but could not. >> >> Earlier I was able to access and get, for 1 credit, the death of Elspet >> Innes who died in 1934 in Glenlivet Banff. I then wanted to view for 5 >> credits and it showed the wrong death certificate. What came up was the >> first name on the list of McHardy which was not what I was looking for. >> >> At the beginning of this session I had 9 credits and used 1 for the >>above >> Elspet and 5 to view same. >> >> I would like to have my 5 credits back so I can retry to view. >> >> William Innes in montreal >> >> >>==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>" Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted >>message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the >>sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you >>;-) >> >>============================== >>New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >>at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >>http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns about >a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or join >VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi William Re: Your "lost" Image on the Scotland's People website. When you log on the "Previous Searches" tag on the left will give you a history of all the searches you have paid for. Click on the one which contains the image you "lost". If you have been debited the 5 credits for the Image, the box on the right should say "View (Paid)". Assuming this to be so, by clicking on the View (Paid) box you will be able to view the image as many times as you like. [Note to new users: the Image opens in a new window (which may possibly be hidden behind the Hits List)! Hint: modify search parameters to maximise the Hits List to a multiple of 25: extra hits may become relatives in due course.] You can also use the tag labelled "Previously Viewed Images" but the listing of this was virtually encrypted when I tried it so we don't use that route. Because we have done over 500 searches, and you can't "search" the list of previous searches, we have had to maintain an index of our previous searches. But that enables us to look up our archive when we find another possible branch so is useful anyway. Reference Holly's view that it is incredibly expensive. We've used Scotland's People extensively over 2 years. Given the amount of data on the site, indexed by professionals, all of which has to be paid for, we think that it is good value for money. Yes, there have been the occasional problems but how much worse off would our research be without it?! We congratulate all the staff there for a job well done. Good luck with the hunt William Ray Hennessy ----- Original Message ----- From: William Innes To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:36 AM Subject: [MORAY] ScotlandsPeople Tried to acces this site at 8:30 pm but could not. Earlier I was able to access and get, for 1 credit, the death of Elspet Innes who died in 1934 in Glenlivet Banff. I then wanted to view for 5 credits and it showed the wrong death certificate. What came up was the first name on the list of McHardy which was not what I was looking for. At the beginning of this session I had 9 credits and used 1 for the above Elspet and 5 to view same. I would like to have my 5 credits back so I can retry to view. William Innes in montreal

Hi Laura, Many thanks for your offer to look up the entry. The person in question is Mary Cameron who died 4/12/1954. I would of course be interested in anyone else on the headstone and, indeed, any other Camerons in the index, if it isn't too exhaustive! A particular frustration of mine at the moment is Alexander Cameron, my g.g. Grandfather,and his wife Anne Miller, who I just cannot find. He was at Little Darkland, near Lhanbryde in 1825 but I haven't a birth date (although I would guess it to be about 1800) and I know he died before 1905. Thanks again. I look forward to hearing from you. Ian Cameron