Things are getting clearer for me, as well. The census image shows Banff, Banff. in the 'where born' column. That would mean the county was Banffshire. So, I'm not quite sure why the Dictionary of National Biography says Morayshire. If its not a mistake, it could mean he lived there sometime after his birth. --- IACSCOTT@aol.com wrote: > Hi Sharon > > Now things begin to become a bit clearer when I read > reference to Kent. That > is in the South of England and having lived and > worked in the London area > for five years I soon understood that anything north > of the Watford Gap is, to > many in that area, a mystery. <g> > > There are individuals, such as Anne Burgess and > Gavin Bell, who are much > better versed in the history and geography of the > area but if you are referring > to the town of Banff which was a Royal Burgh in the > Parish of Banff in the > Northeast corner of Banffshire I am certain that at > no time was it part of > Moray (or Elginshire as it was previously known). > However, much of my research in > the area has centred on the Parish of Bellie which > was partly in Morayshire > and partly in Banffshire and then part of it was > used along with part of > Rathven (in Banffshire) to form the Parish of Enzie > which was in Banffshire. > Against that background there could be some doubt > as to the correct location of > the place of birth. > > I think the entry in the Dictionary is incorrect > when it says that Charles > was born in Moray and confuses the issue if the > census entry stating Banff > (town as against county) as the birthplace is > correct. The town of Banff is some > 25 miles east of the Parish of Bellie so the border > between the two counties > would need to have moved quite some way for the > town of Banff to be in > Moray and many other places would have been > similarly affected. Although there > have been adjustments to county boundaries from time > to time none, as far as I > am aware, were as great as this. > > It might be of some help to you in understanding the > area if you were to go > to the GENUKI website at > _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/index.html_ > (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/index.html) where > you will find information on > both Moray and Banff together with descriptions of > some of the Parishes. > > If you come to the conclusion that the Parish of > Bellie was involved I have > the Old parish Record on microfilm and could have a > look for his birth in > 1789. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Hi Sharon Now things begin to become a bit clearer when I read reference to Kent. That is in the South of England and having lived and worked in the London area for five years I soon understood that anything north of the Watford Gap is, to many in that area, a mystery. <g> There are individuals, such as Anne Burgess and Gavin Bell, who are much better versed in the history and geography of the area but if you are referring to the town of Banff which was a Royal Burgh in the Parish of Banff in the Northeast corner of Banffshire I am certain that at no time was it part of Moray (or Elginshire as it was previously known). However, much of my research in the area has centred on the Parish of Bellie which was partly in Morayshire and partly in Banffshire and then part of it was used along with part of Rathven (in Banffshire) to form the Parish of Enzie which was in Banffshire. Against that background there could be some doubt as to the correct location of the place of birth. I think the entry in the Dictionary is incorrect when it says that Charles was born in Moray and confuses the issue if the census entry stating Banff (town as against county) as the birthplace is correct. The town of Banff is some 25 miles east of the Parish of Bellie so the border between the two counties would need to have moved quite some way for the town of Banff to be in Moray and many other places would have been similarly affected. Although there have been adjustments to county boundaries from time to time none, as far as I am aware, were as great as this. It might be of some help to you in understanding the area if you were to go to the GENUKI website at _http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/index.html_ (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/index.html) where you will find information on both Moray and Banff together with descriptions of some of the Parishes. If you come to the conclusion that the Parish of Bellie was involved I have the Old parish Record on microfilm and could have a look for his birth in 1789. Ian A C Scott

I checked the information I have again. The Dictionary of National Biography says Charles Middleton, Morayshire, NB. Sharon ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Hi Murray I have had a look at the website you suggested. Unfortunately it seems that the maps for Moray & Banffshire are not available at the site. I have emailed the website administrator and asked if they intend adding sheets 85, 86, 94, 95, 96. I suggest that anyone interested in the locations shown on the maps should also write in and ask for these maps to be added. Ray Hennessy Banffshire Place-names Project ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Lynn" <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] 1851 Census "Elgin, Cromdale" > See > http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/os_scotland_2nd_ed_list.html > for the "1898-1904 - ORDNANCE SURVEY - One-inch 2nd edition maps of > Scotland, with coloured parishes > Murray

I don't know who's more confused. You, or me. <g> I have this info on Charles Middleton: Charles Middleton was born in Banff in 1789. Exact birthplace is shown on the 1851 Maidstone, Kent census. I have a bio from the Dictionary of National Biography on his son, Frederick Dobson Middleton, that says his father, Charles, was born in Moray, but no other specifics were given, so I presumed Banff is, or was in Moray at the time of Charles' birth. Sharom --- IACSCOTT@aol.com wrote: > Hi Sharon > > Now you are getting me confused! > > As I understand it Banff has always been a Parish in > the North-east of > Banffshire which contained a Royal Burgh of the same > name. > > Moray was previously Elginshire with the Royal Burgh > of Elgin in the parish > of Elgin. > > That is as I understand it but I bow to the better > knowledge of someone such > as Anne Burgess or Gavin Bell if I am wrong. > > Ian A C Scott ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Hi Sharon Now you are getting me confused! As I understand it Banff has always been a Parish in the North-east of Banffshire which contained a Royal Burgh of the same name. Moray was previously Elginshire with the Royal Burgh of Elgin in the parish of Elgin. That is as I understand it but I bow to the better knowledge of someone such as Anne Burgess or Gavin Bell if I am wrong. Ian A C Scott

Hello list: When did Banff go from being in Moray to being in Banffshire? My rellie, Charles MIDDLETON, was born in Banff, Moray in 1789. TIA, Sharon ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

See http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/os_scotland_2nd_ed_list.html for the "1898-1904 - ORDNANCE SURVEY - One-inch 2nd edition maps of Scotland, with coloured parishes <http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/os_scotland_2nd_ed_list.html>". Murray Helen Ulmann wrote: > Thank you very much, both Ed and Anne, for your clarification, and I > may be back to you with further questions. > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" > <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:36 PM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] 1851 Census "Elgin, Cromdale" > > >>> Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing > in >>> the 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea > >>> which exact area this would encompass? >>> Would "Cromdale" be >>> north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the >>> boundary of Advie, which would be where?? >> >> >> Hmmm. >> >> Lachlan Shaw (1775) says, "Cromdale, Inveralen, and Advie, are now >> united in one parish - how early they were so united, I find not." >> >> Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842) says, "Cromdale, a parish composed of >> the three ancient but now united parishes of Cromdale, Inverallan, >> and Advie .... situated in thecounties of Inverness and Elgin ... >> houses in Inverness-shire, in 1831, 484; in Elgin 117." >> >> In some censuses birthplaces are noted as being Inverallan or Advie >> as opposed to Cromdale; but in others Cromdale is used for the >> composite parish. >> >> For example I have a note of a family living at Ballinlagg (which is >> firmly in Inverallan); but in the 1851 census their birthplaces are >> all listed as Cromdale. >> >> So, while my answer to your question is that Cromdale is, generally >> speaking, on the right bank of the River Spey, downriver (north) of >> the Spey Bridge, and upriver (south) of Advie, I don't think that you >> can safely assume that a person whose birthplace is given as Cromdale >> in the 1851 census was actually born in the Cromdale area of the >> combined parish. >> >>> I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. >> >> Inverallan is actually on the left bank of the river, and mostly >> north of the bridge, not south of it. Grantown-on-Spey and Castle >> Grant are both in the Inverallan part of the combined parish. >> >>> I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was > >>> not home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 > was >>> living at the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife >>> Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, >>> Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore > >>> near Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near >>> Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". >> >> The parish boundaries in this part of the world were not coincident >> with the county boundaries, and the greater part of the combined >> parish seems to have been in Inverness-shire at that time (see the >> extract from Fullarton, above). >> >> HTH >> >> Anne >> >> >> >>> Any help gratefully received >>> Helen >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >>> If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, >>> or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information >>> can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >> archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. >> The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or >> established lister. >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns > about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com > or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > >

Thank you very much, both Ed and Anne, for your clarification, and I may be back to you with further questions. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] 1851 Census "Elgin, Cromdale" >> Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing > in the >> 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea > which exact >> area this would encompass? >> Would "Cromdale" be >> north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the >> boundary of Advie, which would be where?? > > Hmmm. > > Lachlan Shaw (1775) says, "Cromdale, Inveralen, and Advie, are now united > in one parish - how early they were so united, I find not." > > Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842) says, "Cromdale, a parish composed of the > three ancient but now united parishes of Cromdale, Inverallan, and Advie > .... situated in thecounties of Inverness and Elgin ... houses in > Inverness-shire, in 1831, 484; in Elgin 117." > > In some censuses birthplaces are noted as being Inverallan or Advie as > opposed to Cromdale; but in others Cromdale is used for the composite > parish. > > For example I have a note of a family living at Ballinlagg (which is > firmly in Inverallan); but in the 1851 census their birthplaces are all > listed as Cromdale. > > So, while my answer to your question is that Cromdale is, generally > speaking, on the right bank of the River Spey, downriver (north) of the > Spey Bridge, and upriver (south) of Advie, I don't think that you can > safely assume that a person whose birthplace is given as Cromdale in the > 1851 census was actually born in the Cromdale area of the combined parish. > >> I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. > Inverallan is actually on the left bank of the river, and mostly north of > the bridge, not south of it. Grantown-on-Spey and Castle Grant are both in > the Inverallan part of the combined parish. > >> I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was > not >> home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 > was living >> at the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife >> Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, >> Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore > near >> Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near >> Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". > The parish boundaries in this part of the world were not coincident with > the county boundaries, and the greater part of the combined parish seems > to have been in Inverness-shire at that time (see the extract from > Fullarton, above). > > HTH > > Anne > > > >> Any help gratefully received >> Helen >> Australia >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or >> report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be >> found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > lister. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

At 05:36 PM 1/04/2005, you wrote: >Hi Listers, >Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing in the 1851 >Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea which exact area >this would encompass? Would "Cromdale" be north of the Old Spey Bridge, >both sides of the Spey, to the boundary of Advie, which would be >where?? Anyone with good knowledge of the area? On the IGI the parish is >always given as "Cromdale Inverallan and Advie" and I presume Inverallan >is south of Old Spey Bridge. > >I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was not >home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 was living at >the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife Elspeth aged 42 whose >entry in Where Born was "Elgin, Abernethy". She was born on the east side >of the Spey at Sliamore near Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all >born at or near Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". >Any help gratefully received >Helen >Australia > Hi Helen, The following is a print out of the parishes around Cromdale Inverallen and Advie, which together formed a single parish. Parish Locator Report ===================== The following list of Parishes are within a 10 Mile Radius of Cromdale,Inverallen and Advie, P, INV, SCT. Parish Name Type,County,Country,OsRef Distance & Direction =========== ========================= ==================== Abernethy and Kincardine P INV SCT NJ0715 8.1 South Advie P INV SCT NJ0728 0.0 Cromdale,Inverallen and Advie P INV SCT NJ0728 0.0 Inverallan P INV SCT NJ0728 0.0 Inverallan P INV SCT NJ0226 3.3 West by South West Inveravon P BAN SCT NJ2028 8.1 East Kincardine (see Abernethy) P INV SCT NJ0715 8.1 South Kirkmichael P BAN SCT NJ1320 6.2 South East This is taken from Parish Locator, a programme which you can download free from http://web.onetel.net.uk/~gdlawson/parfind.htm - I think that this is the program I use, but it is years since I downloaded it, so I cannot be absolutely sure that it is the same one. It will be an experiment for you!. You could do a search for "ParLoc" which is the name that it bears on my computer. Cromdale is a small village just outside Granton on Spey. You can see it iin this map by clicking on the URL: <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=307500&Y=828500&A=Y&Z=5>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=307500&Y=828500&A=Y&Z=5 I would have put the situation as "Cromdale in Elginshire" rather than Elgin in Cromdale! You will see Advie a few miles to the north-east of Cromdale near the River Spey, and Inverallan is beside Granton, and is seen in the following map:<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=302500&Y=826500&A=Y&Z=3>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=302500&Y=826500&A=Y&Z=3 If you wish to look at the same areas as they appeared in 1874 then click on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm then enter the co-ordinates from the above URLs in the Search box (307500, 828500) and (302500, 826500), Click on Co-ordinate then on Search. You will be given three choices on each occasion - chose "Elginshire" (No.2) and you will see the old Ordnance Survey maps of the same region as the modern maps. If you click on Enlarged view, you will get a newmap which shows a greater area more clearly. With the modern maps you can zoom and zoom out, and get a better idea of the region. You can also re-centre the maps by double clicking on the area which you wish to be at the centre of the new map. Hope this assists you! _ _ Regards, Ed Barron <ejbarron@netspace.net.au>

Hi Listers, Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing in the 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea which exact area this would encompass? Would "Cromdale" be north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the boundary of Advie, which would be where?? Anyone with good knowledge of the area? On the IGI the parish is always given as "Cromdale Inverallan and Advie" and I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was not home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 was living at the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore near Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". Any help gratefully received Helen Australia

> Can anyone please help with WILLIAM GRANT's Where Born listing > in the > 1851 Census? It is "Elgin, Cromdale"? Has anyone any idea > which exact > area this would encompass? > Would "Cromdale" be > north of the Old Spey Bridge, both sides of the Spey, to the > boundary of Advie, which would be where?? Hmmm. Lachlan Shaw (1775) says, "Cromdale, Inveralen, and Advie, are now united in one parish - how early they were so united, I find not." Fullarton's Gazetteer (1842) says, "Cromdale, a parish composed of the three ancient but now united parishes of Cromdale, Inverallan, and Advie .... situated in thecounties of Inverness and Elgin ... houses in Inverness-shire, in 1831, 484; in Elgin 117." In some censuses birthplaces are noted as being Inverallan or Advie as opposed to Cromdale; but in others Cromdale is used for the composite parish. For example I have a note of a family living at Ballinlagg (which is firmly in Inverallan); but in the 1851 census their birthplaces are all listed as Cromdale. So, while my answer to your question is that Cromdale is, generally speaking, on the right bank of the River Spey, downriver (north) of the Spey Bridge, and upriver (south) of Advie, I don't think that you can safely assume that a person whose birthplace is given as Cromdale in the 1851 census was actually born in the Cromdale area of the combined parish. > I presume Inverallan is south of Old Spey Bridge. Inverallan is actually on the left bank of the river, and mostly north of the bridge, not south of it. Grantown-on-Spey and Castle Grant are both in the Inverallan part of the combined parish. > I cannot find William Grant's birth, between 1798 and 1801. He was > not > home for the 1841 census but in 1851 William GRANT aged 50 > was living at > the Lots of Spey Bridge near Grantown with his wife > Elspeth aged 42 whose entry in Where Born was "Elgin, > Abernethy". She was born on the east side of the Spey at Sliamore > near > Nethy Bridge. Their children, ages 16-2, all born at or near > Spey Bridge. are "Inverness, Cromdale". The parish boundaries in this part of the world were not coincident with the county boundaries, and the greater part of the combined parish seems to have been in Inverness-shire at that time (see the extract from Fullarton, above). HTH Anne > Any help gratefully received > Helen > Australia > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

After years of dusting a huge book my mother gave me about her family, I finally read it today. Between her and some distant rellies they have info on the following names. If anyone has these names and wants info, email me and I'll see if I've got it. WINK, ANDERSON, Speymouth, Moray, CHALMER, SMITH, MITCHELL, Banff NOBLE, Invernesshire MCLENNAN, Kintail, Invernesshire GARDINER/GARDNER, DABINETT, ARNEY, GUYLER, JOHNSON, ANDERSEN, CHAPMAN, REYNOLDS, SALMONDATTER, OSMUNDATTER also listed. Also children of David and Martha Harrison. Most of these people ended up in Australia. There is another book, but that will have to wait for the weekend. Barbara -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 30/03/2005

Pat Blend wrote: > If one goes to the ABERDEEN & N.E. SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY website, in the MI section you can enter the name you are researching and it will show you what cemeteries (of those they have transcribed) that name is at. Further the names on the stones are listed. If one needs more info, you would need to order their MI's transcription booklets. > A timely reminder, Pat. However remember, folks, that while the Index does cover some of the unpublished MIs it does not contain all the ones that ANESFHS know about. These unpublished MIs are NOT available yet in booklet form but new booklets are appearing pretty often. As Gavin points out, members of ANESFHS can ask for details of those entries indexed but not yet published. Members can also ask about inscriptions that may be in the known-but-non-indexed category. This is a major task and many volunteers are involved in researching the many graveyards so getting the information on-line is not a simple task. The on-line data will always lag behind the known data. King Street is where it's all happening!! Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net

In a message dated 3/29/2005 10:00:47 PM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time, MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: To one and All : FYI: If one goes to the ABERDEEN & N.E. SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY website, in the MI section you can enter the name you are researching and it will show you what cemeteries (of those they have transcribed) that name is at. Further the names on the stones are listed. If one needs more info, you would need to order their MI's transcription booklets. Regards, Pat Blend

> If SKS has the 1891 Census I would very much appreciate if you > could look up the following please We all have access to the 1891, including you: it is online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk where you can download an image of the extract you want. > Also on the 1881 it would appear they were living with .... a > MARGARET age 60. The 1881 census extract tells you that Margaret was the daughter of John Sr, i.e. she was John Jr's sister and Margaret Henderson's sister-in-law. HTH Anne

If SKS has the 1891 Census I would very much appreciate if you could look up the following please JOHN SIMPSON, app AGE 65 and his wife MARGARET SIMPSON, nee HENDERSON app AGE 59 Also on the 1881 it would appear they were living with JOHN'S father also called JOHN age 86 and a MARGARET age 60. I would be interested in knowing if they are listed also. On the 1881 census they were living at PLANTONSIDE, ELGIN, ELGIN. Not only will this fill in census info but will help me narrow down years to look for dates of their deaths. Thank you, Dorothy, Canada

With apologies to Ray Hennessey and one or two others, to whom I promised some related quite a long time time ago (work has been getting in the way of genealogy, unfortunately, but I've not fortgotten!). I have the following on a Jean Donaldson who may be the same as the wife of James Donaldson from Laura's MI inscriptions (see Laura's message below) JEAN (or Jane) McDONALD, daughter of JAMES McDONALD (alias Mcalister) and Isabella ROBERTSON Christened 27 October 1782, Aberlour (this from Aberlour OPR; a family memoir written about 1915 indicates a date closer to 1784 or 1785) In the 1915 memoir, the following was written about Jean by her niece: "Jane was 18 years old when parents died. She became engaged, even at that early age, to be married to a farmer, James Donaldson, and did marry him soon after, leaving my mother Isabella in care of servants. She should have taken the child with her surely. She had a family of one son and four daughters. She lived to be quite old and died in Dufftown, long after she was a widow. I liked her very much; she was a woman of blunt manners but very kind hearted and though poor herself latterly she always had something to spare to those who had less and gave her strength to help many in times of sickness. She never altered her mode of dress, and always wore a white muslin "mutch" - a close cap, and was called by everybody "the auld guidewife." I am glad to remember she was very fond of me in her homely way." The Aberlour OPR lists a marriage between James Donaldson and Jean McDonald, 24 December 1803. There is also some family correspondence I have seen that refers to a "Jean McDonald" who left her husband about 1845; whether this was a second husband of this Jean, or another related Jean I cannot say. The latter Jean's son James was in farm service at Forres in 1845. Bill Ramp MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: > > Re: [MORAY]Donaldson in Aberlour > From: > > Laura Lovett <lelovett@earthlink.net> > Date: > > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:05:29 -0800 > To: > > MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi Kathy; >ABERDEEN & N.E. SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY publishes books of all the >graveyards (including the one I bought that is Speyside cemeteries); check >the list at > >http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/publ.htm#Series1 > >As for Donaldson, Aberlour is more helpful on that. This looks to be your >ancestors: > >Robt Donaldson, Shanval of Edenville died 1 Dec 1751 age 67; wife Margaret >Meroues died 12 Jan 1732, age 36 > >And these are the gravestones nearby: >James Donaldson fr Newtown of Boharm died 24 Dec 1820 age 58, wife Jean >McDonald died 19 Nov 1863, son John died 28 Feb 1801, dau Isabel died 4 >April 1811, son James erected the monument 5 Dec 1816. > >John Donaldson, Blairmain erected in memory of son Alex died 1752 infant, >son Robert 10 May 1768 age 19; John Donaldson, wife Janet Garrow in >Allachie died 22 July 1831 age 75; Alex Donaldson fr Blairmain died 7 Dec >1833 age 70, wife Ann Thomson died 1862 age 77; John Donaldson late of >Blairmain died Feb 1808 age 91, wife Elspet Stewart died May 1809, age 80 > >Hope that helps! > >Laura > > > >>LAURA, >> Looking at my information, I realized now my Murrays were in Blackfold >>of Mortlach. It was Robert Donaldson & wife Margaret Marquis that were in >>Edinvillie, and my Carmichaels were in Birkinbush and Blairshinnock of >>Aberlour. >> Do you know if those are the only 2 cemeteries that were in Aberlour >>back in the 1700s? >> What does ScotlandsPeople mean? >> Thanks for your help. Kathy Wells. >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Laura Lovett" <lelovett@earthlink.net> >>To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:35 PM >>Subject: Re: [MORAY] Murrays in Moray >> >> >>>Hi Kathy; >>>There's only one Murray in Charlestown of Aberlour cemetery (my book goes >>>up >>>to 1855, after that deaths should be on ScotlandsPeople): >>> >>>James Stewart in Bogend, died 1804 age 84, wife Janet Murray died 1804 age >>>77. >>> >>>There are no Murrays in Rothes Cemetery. >>> >>>Laura >>> >>> >>> >>>>OK, one more question. Does anyone have a listing of those buried in >>>>Aberlour or Banff Shire? Most of my Murrays and other lines have the >>>>'Ab1' >>>>reference to where they are buried. I wondered which Murrays might be >>>>buried there together? Is there a film, and/or website or any research >>>>tool I can look at that might determine other names buried closeby? >>>> Thanks, Kathy Wells, Hurst, Texas >>>> >>>> > >______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > Re: [MORAY]Donaldson in Aberlour > From: > > "Kathy Wells" <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> > Date: > > Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:33:57 -0600 > To: > > MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > > > Wow Laura, thank you soooo much. I can't believe you found all that > information. I surely do appreciate it. It helps me alot. > thanks so much, Kathy. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Lovett" > <lelovett@earthlink.net> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:05 PM > Subject: Re: [MORAY]Donaldson in Aberlour > > >> Hi Kathy; >> ABERDEEN & N.E. SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY publishes books of >> all the >> graveyards (including the one I bought that is Speyside cemeteries); >> check >> the list at >> >> http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/publ.htm#Series1 >> >> As for Donaldson, Aberlour is more helpful on that. This looks to be >> your >> ancestors: >> >> Robt Donaldson, Shanval of Edenville died 1 Dec 1751 age 67; wife >> Margaret >> Meroues died 12 Jan 1732, age 36 >> >> And these are the gravestones nearby: >> James Donaldson fr Newtown of Boharm died 24 Dec 1820 age 58, wife Jean >> McDonald died 19 Nov 1863, son John died 28 Feb 1801, dau Isabel died 4 >> April 1811, son James erected the monument 5 Dec 1816. >> >> John Donaldson, Blairmain erected in memory of son Alex died 1752 >> infant, >> son Robert 10 May 1768 age 19; John Donaldson, wife Janet Garrow in >> Allachie died 22 July 1831 age 75; Alex Donaldson fr Blairmain died >> 7 Dec >> 1833 age 70, wife Ann Thomson died 1862 age 77; John Donaldson late of >> Blairmain died Feb 1808 age 91, wife Elspet Stewart died May 1809, >> age 80 >> >> Hope that helps! >> >> Laura >> >> >> >>> LAURA, >>> Looking at my information, I realized now my Murrays were in >>> Blackfold >>> of Mortlach. It was Robert Donaldson & wife Margaret Marquis that >>> were in >>> Edinvillie, and my Carmichaels were in Birkinbush and Blairshinnock of >>> Aberlour. >>> Do you know if those are the only 2 cemeteries that were in Aberlour >>> back in the 1700s? >>> What does ScotlandsPeople mean? >>> Thanks for your help. Kathy Wells. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Laura Lovett" <lelovett@earthlink.net> >>> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MORAY] Murrays in Moray >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kathy; >>>> There's only one Murray in Charlestown of Aberlour cemetery (my >>>> book goes >>>> up >>>> to 1855, after that deaths should be on ScotlandsPeople): >>>> >>>> James Stewart in Bogend, died 1804 age 84, wife Janet Murray died >>>> 1804 age >>>> 77. >>>> >>>> There are no Murrays in Rothes Cemetery. >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> OK, one more question. Does anyone have a listing of those >>>>> buried in >>>>> Aberlour or Banff Shire? Most of my Murrays and other lines have >>>>> the >>>>> 'Ab1' >>>>> reference to where they are buried. I wondered which Murrays >>>>> might be >>>>> buried there together? Is there a film, and/or website or any >>>>> research >>>>> tool I can look at that might determine other names buried closeby? >>>>> Thanks, Kathy Wells, Hurst, Texas >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >> ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >> archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. >> The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or >> established lister. >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >>

Gavin, Could you tell me the name of the cemetery in Portsoy? I visited it a few years ago and found the Minty and Klingner stones I was looking for just by chance. Has it been published? Thanks. Nora Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Bell [mailto:g.bell@which.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 2:54 AM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:[MORAY] MI booklets Laura wrote: > ABERDEEN & N.E. SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY publishes books of all > the graveyards ... Well, we haven't quite achieved that lofty goal yet - there are as many kirkyards in "draft" or "unpublished" form as have been published, but work continues. Botriphnie and Burghead have been published in the last couple of weeks. > ... (including the one I bought that is Speyside cemeteries); That, I suspect, is the Speyside volume published by the Scottish Genealogy Society. We are happy to sell this, but cannot claim to have published it. Gavin Bell ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Laura wrote: > ABERDEEN & N.E. SCOTLAND FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY publishes books of all > the graveyards ... Well, we haven't quite achieved that lofty goal yet - there are as many kirkyards in "draft" or "unpublished" form as have been published, but work continues. Botriphnie and Burghead have been published in the last couple of weeks. > ... (including the one I bought that is Speyside cemeteries); That, I suspect, is the Speyside volume published by the Scottish Genealogy Society. We are happy to sell this, but cannot claim to have published it. Gavin Bell