> The marvellous Libindex database shows that my Davidsons were from > Findhorn ca 1800-1840: > > Robert Davidson m (ca 1800) Margaret Murray: > Alexander (1808-1890) m (1840) Marion Grant > and possibly: > Isobel (1804) > Robert (1818) The IGI lists three children of this couple: Isobel, baptised 28 December 1804 Margaret, baptised 21 May 1816 Isabella Innes, baptised 25 July 1821 all in Kinloss. Odd that three daughters are listed, but not the three sons, or the marriage. I have come across a similar family once, where the marriage and three sons were in the Church of Scotland register but no daughters. In that case I suspect from other evidence that the father was Protestant and the mother Roman Catholic, and that the sons were baptised in the father's religion and the daughters in the mother's. But so far that is just a hunch - I still need the proof. It would also go directly against the teaching of the RC Church. Anne

Does anyone have any information about Davidsons in Findhorn & Kinloss? The marvellous Libindex database shows that my Davidsons were from Findhorn ca 1800-1840: Robert Davidson m (ca 1800) Margaret Murray: Alexander (1808-1890) m (1840) Marion Grant and possibly: Isobel (1804) Robert (1818) They may have been connected with Dunbars from Nairn (Alexander Dunbar b ca 1806). Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand

> I should also mention his reason for being in > Maidstone, Kent. He was the officer in charge of the > barracks there. It was a calvary depot, I am told. If he was a military officer, there should be a record of his Army service in the Public Record Office (PRO). I assume that you have investigated this avenue? Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1278 Message Board Post: Hi I'm Researching The Surname Reid From Urquhart,Elgin, Morayshire Scotland. Thankyou Johnreid Maple Ridge British Columbia Canada

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1262.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Kaj I have a James Reid b abt 1756 at Urquhart Moray Scotland??? Died abt Aug 23 1834 at Urquhart,Elgin Scotland??? Married Isabella Forsyth Aug 1806 They had at least two children Alexander born abt 1816 and Margret born abt 1821 John Reid

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1277 Message Board Post: Hi I'm looking for any information about James Reid B abt 1756 At Urquhart Scotland Died About 1834 in Urquhart.I need to find his Parents names. Thankyou John Reid

That is something I'm working on. I'd also like to get the record of one of his sons, whom I believe to be my gg-grandfather. Sharon --- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: > > WEll, have a look at the PRO web site > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm > > They don't do research for you - either you have to > go yourself, or get > someone to search on your behalf. I believe that > Army officers' records from > that period can be very detailed, including > birthplaces, parentage, where > and when recruited, and where they served. I am sure > there are other Listers > with experience of this type of research. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

I've got his bare-bones army record from Hart's Army list, but that's all I've got. Sharon --- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: > > If he was a military officer, there should be a > record of his Army service > in the Public Record Office (PRO). I assume that you > have investigated this > avenue? ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

I should also mention his reason for being in Maidstone, Kent. He was the officer in charge of the barracks there. It was a calvary depot, I am told. --- Sharon <ssusmol@yahoo.ca> wrote: > Thank you, Alex. That is very kind of you. > > I am not sure what Charles Middleton's family were, > but on one of my other lists, it was suggested he > must > have come from a prominent line, as he left a > significant amount of money to his four children > when > he died, and it could not have been what he earned > as > wages in his military career. He was a major-general > at the end of his life, and spent much of his career > in India. Sir Frederick Dobson Middleton was his > son. > Charles is only briefly mentioned in Frederick's > bios. > > http://library.usask.ca/northwest/background/middletn.htm > > http://www.famousamericans.net/sirfrederickdobsonmiddleton/ ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Thank you, Alex. That is very kind of you. I am not sure what Charles Middleton's family were, but on one of my other lists, it was suggested he must have come from a prominent line, as he left a significant amount of money to his four children when he died, and it could not have been what he earned as wages in his military career. He was a major-general at the end of his life, and spent much of his career in India. Sir Frederick Dobson Middleton was his son. Charles is only briefly mentioned in Frederick's bios. http://library.usask.ca/northwest/background/middletn.htm http://www.famousamericans.net/sirfrederickdobsonmiddleton/ --- davidsonanl@lineone.net wrote: > I saw Sharon's original query about her Middleton > folk but ignored it as it > sounded like they were Banffshire people. > > However, when I saw the last few e-mails where she > mentions the London area, > I wonder if I can help. > > I live in Cromarty, across the Moray Firth from > Moray and Banffshire. A > family of Middleton came from London, I think, in > the late 1700's and farmed > at Davidston, about two miles out of Cromarty. The > family is still there > and have been prominent in the community. > > I will try to make contact with somebody in the > family and put them on to > you. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

I saw Sharon's original query about her Middleton folk but ignored it as it sounded like they were Banffshire people. However, when I saw the last few e-mails where she mentions the London area, I wonder if I can help. I live in Cromarty, across the Moray Firth from Moray and Banffshire. A family of Middleton came from London, I think, in the late 1700's and farmed at Davidston, about two miles out of Cromarty. The family is still there and have been prominent in the community. I will try to make contact with somebody in the family and put them on to you. Alex Davidson, Cromarty Researching Davidson, Forsyth, Reid and Murray in Buckie and area.

Hi Murray Thanks for the URL. That one's fine. Regards Ray Hennessy ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Lynn To: Ray Hennessy Cc: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] OS 1" maps of Scotland 1898-1904 Hi Ray Apologies, I sent the wrong reference, see http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/os_scotland_county_series_list.html and select the "Index to the Ordinance Survey of Elginshire" 1883. The parish boundaries are shown - albeit not as clearly as on the other set. Murray

> I've looked up my history of Scotland. > > It would appear that Banff stood between the earldoms of Moray and Buchan, > and probably for some centuries, at least during the time of Macbeth, > Banff > was under the Moray jurisdiction until it emerged later as a burgh more or > less in its own right with its own -shire appellation. > > Of course, if the information sought were compiled in Kent it would be > easy > not to know of a Banffshire and to assume it came under the older > Morayshire. > That's right, Chris, but you are talking about the 11th century and Sharon's Charles Middleton was born in the late 18th century. I doubt if anyone in Kent in the mid-19th century would have had any notion of the geographical divisions of Scotland 800 years previously. (After a 25-year career in the tourist industry in Scotland I'd actually be surprised if more than a tiny proportion of the present-day population of Kent has any clear idea of the present-day geographical divisions of Scotland.) The Province of Moray (Moravia) is certainly older than either the county of Banff or the County of Moray, but the emergence of the two latter was probably roughly contemporaneous, and in any case a long time before Charles Middleton. Lachlan Shaw writes in his 'History of the Province of Moray' (1775), "The Author of this undertaking .... perused descriptions of several Counties, but had not the good fortune to meet with any tolerable acount of the Province of Moray" ... "The plain country by the sea side, from Spey to Ness, is always called Moray, **and I see no reason for extending it eastward beyond the mouth of the Spey**." [My asterisks]. He goes on to describe the extent of Moravia well to the west of the boundaries of the present Moray, or of the historical county of Moray. Thus an eminent local historian, writing 14 years before the birth of Charles Middleton, is quite clear that ther is no justification for including Banff in the Province of Moray. He then goes on to say that although Sheriffs existed in the reign of David I (12th century), "We cannot infer ... that the counties were erected at that time as they now are." ... "I find not, at what time this county was erected, or how early it had Counts and Sheriffs." and cites a charter of 1263 as evidence that there was such an entity then. "Thomas Randolph, Earl of Moray, was hereditary sheriff of this county." Thomas Randolph was the nephew of Robert the Bruce, and helped his uncle regain control of Scotland in the early 14th century. The clear implication of all this is (a) that Shaw does not consider that Banff was ever within the Province of Moray and (b) that even if it was, the county system had replaced the concept of the Province long before the time of Charles Middleton. I also consulted William Watt's "Aberdeen and Banff" (1900). He says of the counties of Aberdeen and Banff together, "Unconquered ... by the Romans, it formed after their departure one of the seven provinces into which Pictland or Albion of the early middle ages was divided." In other words, he too does not see Banff as part of the Province of Moray. HTH Anne

Hi Ray Apologies, I sent the wrong reference, see http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/os_scotland_county_series_list.html and select the "Index to the Ordinance Survey of Elginshire" 1883. The parish boundaries are shown - albeit not as clearly as on the other set. Murray Ray Hennessy wrote: > Hi Murray > > I have had a look at the website you suggested. Unfortunately > it seems that the maps for Moray & Banffshire are not available > at the site. I have emailed the website administrator and asked > if they intend adding sheets 85, 86, 94, 95, 96. > > I suggest that anyone interested in the locations shown on the > maps should also write in and ask for these maps to be added. > > Ray Hennessy > Banffshire Place-names Project > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Lynn" <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> > To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] 1851 Census "Elgin, Cromdale" > > >> See >> http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/os_scotland_2nd_ed_list.html >> for the "1898-1904 - ORDNANCE SURVEY - One-inch 2nd edition maps of >> Scotland, with coloured parishes >> Murray > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns > about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com > or join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > >

> From what I know now, the town of Banff, Banffshire > was his birthplace, and I can only assume at this > point, that Morayshire 'may' have been where he lived > afterwards. I think that has to be the likeliest explanation. Do you know the names of his parents? I note that his baptism is not in the IGI, so I was unable to check for siblings born elsewhere. Anne

> When did Banff go from being in Moray to being in > Banffshire? My rellie, Charles MIDDLETON, was born in > Banff, Moray in 1789. To the best of my knowledge and belief it didn't, and he could not have been. Banff is the county town of the historic county of Banffshire (to which it gave its name), and it is in the parish of Banff. After the abolition of the old counties in 1975, it was the administrative capital of Banff and Buchan. This was in turn abolished in about 1992, and the town and parish of Banff are now in the latest version of Aberdeenshire. Some parts of Banffshire were included in the revised version of Moray in 1975, and remain there today, but the town and parish of Banff are not among them. If you have found a source saying that someone was born in Banff, Moray, in 1789, then I fear that there must be an error in the source, even if it is as prestigious a source as the DNB. Perhaps he was born in Banff, and moved to Moray at some time in his childhood, so that whoever supplied the information to the DNB misunderstood his birthplace. I shall be interested to hear what Gavin has to say on the subject. HTH Anne

I have no clue what the names of his parents were. I have his will, and the mention of one sister in it. As best I can make out her given name was Louisa, married name is definitely 'Grant'. Those are the only clues I have so far. --- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: > > I think that has to be the likeliest explanation. > > Do you know the names of his parents? I note that > his baptism is not in the > IGI, so I was unable to check for siblings born > elsewhere. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Thank you, Anne. From what I know now, the town of Banff, Banffshire was his birthplace, and I can only assume at this point, that Morayshire 'may' have been where he lived afterwards. --- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: > > When did Banff go from being in Moray to being in > > Banffshire? My rellie, Charles MIDDLETON, was born > in > > Banff, Moray in 1789. > > To the best of my knowledge and belief it didn't, > and he could not have > been. > > Banff is the county town of the historic county of > Banffshire (to which it > gave its name), and it is in the parish of Banff. > After the abolition of the > old counties in 1975, it was the administrative > capital of Banff and Buchan. > This was in turn abolished in about 1992, and the > town and parish of Banff > are now in the latest version of Aberdeenshire. > > Some parts of Banffshire were included in the > revised version of Moray in > 1975, and remain there today, but the town and > parish of Banff are not among > them. > > If you have found a source saying that someone was > born in Banff, Moray, in > 1789, then I fear that there must be an error in the > source, even if it is > as prestigious a source as the DNB. > > Perhaps he was born in Banff, and moved to Moray at > some time in his > childhood, so that whoever supplied the information > to the DNB misunderstood > his birthplace. > > I shall be interested to hear what Gavin has to say > on the subject. > > HTH > > Anne ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

At this point, I know very little about him. I don't even know if he was truly scottish, or if he was an english Middleton who only happened to have been born in Scotland. He was a major-general in the army. His three sons were also army. For all I know Charles' father could have been in the military, and was stationed there at the time of his birth. --- IACSCOTT@aol.com wrote: > Hi Sharon > > I would agree that it is possible he lived in Moray > at some time as the > people did seem to move about the area quite a bit, > > Ian ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Hi Sharon I would agree that it is possible he lived in Moray at some time as the people did seem to move about the area quite a bit, Ian