Hi Murray Cruden and Rayne are parishes in Aberdeenshire. For info go to GENUKI: http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Cruden/index.html http://www.urie.demon.co.uk/genuki/ABD/Rayne/index.html I haven't had time to look up all your backmessages or to find the places you are looking for. I suggest you have a trek round GENUKI which is fascinating in the amount of real data it has for N E Scotland counties. Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Lynn" <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Davidson in Findhorn > Hi, I must be having a bad map day - I can't find Rayne > (except in England). Is it near Forres? I can't see any > connection from the information that I have. > > Kind regards > > Murray

Hi Sharon and others, I think I must have missed out on "recovering army records". I have great-grandfather, grandfather and uncle, all of whom were army men and I would dearly love to peruse their army records. I know absolutely nothing about them at present. Would whoever brought up this subject please revert and advise where I should look? Unfortunately, I have no army numbers. Chris Duff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Acaster" <jude.a@iinet.net.au> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1904 9:21 AM Subject: [MORAY] Army Records > Hi Sharon, > > As a new Lister, I have been 'lurking' and learning from this lively List. > > I recovered my g.grandfather's army record and it was well worth having. > Lots of information and exciting to see his signature, physical > description > etc. Of course I did have to travel to the UK from Australia to do this, > but the cost of a researcher is a tad cheaper! > > Having his Army number was a huge help and I was able to go straight to > the > request desk and then wait for the file. However it is possible to > obtain > the number with a little bit of research. > > Good luck! > > Judy......Perth. W. Australia > > Looking for Lachlan GRANT - Blacksmith at Ferness. > > > on 5/4/05 4:42 AM, Sharon at ssusmol@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> Yes, I think so. ;-) >> >> Sharon >> --- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>> I think you need that Army record! <g> >>> >>> Anne >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca >> >> ______________________________ > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > lister. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hi William; Are you sure of these locations? There is a Sluggan in Invernessshire, down by Carrbridge, which is Macpherson clan territory. That's the only one I know. I didn't find a Slateford in Banff, either. I have a lot of Macpherson information but knowing the correct location would help a lot. Laura > William, > > Looks like this might be Alexander in the 1881 census with daughter Isabella. > > Dwelling: Claggan > Census Place: Inveravon, Banff, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0203440 GRO Ref Volume 157-2 EnumDist 3 Page 5 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Alexander MC PHERSON W 73 M Inveravon, Banff, Scotland > Rel: Head > Occ: Crofter Of 6 Acres > Isabella MC PHERSON U 41 F Inveravon, Banff, Scotland > Rel: Daug > Occ: Housekeeper > ======================= > > And a possible birth, considering his son's name and the questionable ages in > a census. > > ALEXANDER MC PHERSON > Christening: 07 JUN 1810 > Inveravon, Banff, Scotland > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM MC PHERSON > Mother: JANET INNES > > > -- > Jo-Ann Croft > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >> Hi everyone. >> Are there any McPhersons out there? >> I just found out recently that my ancestor Margaret Innes b: 1818 in >> Sluggan, Banff married Alexander McPherson on the 12 Nov.1835. >> They lived in Slateford, Banff until her death on the 24 March 1841. >> To my knowledge they had two children: >> a) William McPherson b: 9 Oct.1836 in Slateford >> b) Isabella McPherson b: 19 Apr.1840 in Slateford. >> Would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have additional information >> on this family. >> William in Montreal >>

Hi Ann The information on him being a Naval Tailor comes from the Libindex database, unfortunately there is no easy way to find out who supplied this and so get the details (hopefully whoever did will see this and respond!). I suspect a Naval Tailor was a private enterprise rather than a Navy appointment, but I would have thought that he would have needed to be in a town with a Navy base. I suppose he could have 'posted' the uniforms - an early mail order catalogue perhaps? :>) Murray Anne Burgess wrote: >> Thanks for this, I had forgotten to go back to the IGI after finding >> the LIbindex records! Alexander and Robert are both there, with >> Alexander registered in Forres and Robert in Kinloss. > > Indeed they are. Weird that they don't come up when you put in the > mother's surname! > >> I assume that they were either married in Margaret's parish or >> possibly (as Robert was supposedly a Naval Tailor) at the port where >> he lived. Findhorn was presumably not a Navy port? > > I'm not aware of it ever having been a base of the Royal Navy, but > there was a good deal of mercantile traffic, taking grain from Moray > to markets in the south. It could be that he was a tailor supplying > both Royal and Merchant Navy. > > Anne > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a > posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not > just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All > " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > >

> The information on him being a Naval Tailor comes from the Libindex > database, unfortunately there is no easy way to find out o supplied this > and so get the details (hopefully whoever did will see > this and > respond!). Hmmm. I can find only Robert Davidson, tailor (i.e. not 'naval tailor'), died 1839. The reference from which the information was taken is apparently MF A Ki 1, which tells me that it is from the Kinloss Parish Register. If you can tell me the name reference (I.e. the numbers following NM..... at the top og his entry in LIBINDX I can easily find out where the information came from next time I go to Elgin. > I suspect a Naval Tailor was a private enterprise rather than a Navy > appointment Yes, I think so. > but I would have thought that he would have needed to be in a town with a > Navy base. Yes, that surprised me too. > I suppose he could have 'posted' the uniforms - an early mail order > catalogue perhaps? :>) Maybe! <g> Anne

Hi everyone. Are there any McPhersons out there? I just found out recently that my ancestor Margaret Innes b: 1818 in Sluggan, Banff married Alexander McPherson on the 12 Nov.1835. They lived in Slateford, Banff until her death on the 24 March 1841. To my knowledge they had two children: a) William McPherson b: 9 Oct.1836 in Slateford b) Isabella McPherson b: 19 Apr.1840 in Slateford. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have additional information on this family. William in Montreal

> Well, surely the census has the correct info. Not a safe assumption, I'm afraid, especially where birthplaces are concerned. It isn't unusual to find people whose birthplaces vary from one census to another! It depends on (a) the person actually knowing which parish they were born in (b) telling this correctly to whoever informed the census enumerator and (c) the enumerator getting it right. > Its the > only original document I've managed to find on Charles > Middleton so far. Obviously info he gave to the > enumerator at the time. Or what his wife gave? > What is in the Dictionary of > National Biography may have been done in error, but > only slightly so. Yes. I think you need that Army record! <g> Anne

Yes, I think so. ;-) Sharon --- Anne Burgess <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> wrote: > > I think you need that Army record! <g> > > Anne ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Thanks Jo-Ann I usually find it best to search without the mother's surname as most records don't include it, but I suppose it makes sense to try it in Scotland - I must try it out. Kind regards Murray jecroft@att.net wrote: >I found two sons, Alexander and Robert, by searching without the mother's surname. Another glitch in the IGI indexing, though it usually only happens with the Mc & Mac prefixes. > >ALEXANDER DAVIDSON > Birth: 22 APR 1808 > Christening: 25 APR 1808 >Forres, Moray, Scotland >---------------- > >ROBERT DAVIDSON > Birth: 05 AUG 1818 > Christening: 13 AUG 1818 >Kinloss, Moray, Scotland > > >-- >Jo-Ann Croft > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >" Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > >

Hi Anne Thanks for this, I had forgotten to go back to the IGI after finding the LIbindex records! Alexander and Robert are both there, with Alexander registered in Forres and Robert in Kinloss. I assume that they were either married in Margaret's parish or possibly (as Robert was supposedly a Naval Tailor) at the port where he lived. Findhorn was presumably not a Navy port? Kind regards Murray >> The marvellous Libindex database shows that my Davidsons were from >> Findhorn ca 1800-1840: >> >> Robert Davidson m (ca 1800) Margaret Murray: >> Alexander (1808-1890) m (1840) Marion Grant >> and possibly: >> Isobel (1804) >> Robert (1818) > > > The IGI lists three children of this couple: > > Isobel, baptised 28 December 1804 > Margaret, baptised 21 May 1816 > Isabella Innes, baptised 25 July 1821 > > all in Kinloss. Odd that three daughters are listed, but not the three > sons, or the marriage. > > I have come across a similar family once, where the marriage and three > sons were in the Church of Scotland register but no daughters. In that > case I suspect from other evidence that the father was Protestant and > the mother Roman Catholic, and that the sons were baptised in the > father's religion and the daughters in the mother's. But so far that > is just a hunch - I still need the proof. It would also go directly > against the teaching of the RC Church. > > Anne > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. > The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or > established lister. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > >

Its the only census he's on where it gives his birthplace. The 1841 Maidstone census says 'born in Scotland'. No other specifics. The 1851 is the only other one available where he'd be on a census. He died in 1854. So I guess my only choice is to get his army record. Sharon --- IACSCOTT@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Sharon, > > Not necessarily so. I have found different censuses > showing different > birthplaces for the same individual. Sorting it all > out can be a problem. > > Ian A C Scott ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

In a message dated 04/04/2005 17:34:12 GMT Daylight Time, ssusmol@yahoo.ca writes: Well, surely the census has the correct info. Hi Sharon, Not necessarily so. I have found different censuses showing different birthplaces for the same individual. Sorting it all out can be a problem. Ian A C Scott

Well, surely the census has the correct info. Its the only original document I've managed to find on Charles Middleton so far. Obviously info he gave to the enumerator at the time. What is in the Dictionary of National Biography may have been done in error, but only slightly so. Sharon --- Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> wrote: > Apologies for not responding to this query when > appealed to - I've been > off up to Lunnon Town getting some Culture. > > I agree with what Ian and Anne have said about > Banff, Banffshire and > Moray/Elginshire. Poor old Banff (the town) has > been kicked around, > rather, in successive local government > reorganisations, as has its county. > > The current query does seem to refer to the Town of > Banff. But one > additional point I would make is that some "sources" > (notably the IGI) > really haven't got their heads round the > distinctions which have to be > drawn between Banff (the town), Banff (the parish) > and Banff (the county). > > I have tried, in the pages I maintain for GENUKI (at > > www.abdn.net/genuki/BAN/), to chart the history of > the boundaries of the > various parishes of Banffshire, and their likely > implications for > finding ancestors in some of the main sources. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

I have DAVIDSONs from Cruden. Any help? Shalom Chris Ridings from Ryde, NSW -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, 4 April 2005 9:08 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Davidson / Murray in Findhorn > The marvellous Libindex database shows that my Davidsons were from > Findhorn ca 1800-1840: > > Robert Davidson m (ca 1800) Margaret Murray: > Alexander (1808-1890) m (1840) Marion Grant > and possibly: > Isobel (1804) > Robert (1818) The IGI lists three children of this couple: Isobel, baptised 28 December 1804 Margaret, baptised 21 May 1816 Isabella Innes, baptised 25 July 1821 all in Kinloss. Odd that three daughters are listed, but not the three sons, or the marriage. I have come across a similar family once, where the marriage and three sons were in the Church of Scotland register but no daughters. In that case I suspect from other evidence that the father was Protestant and the mother Roman Catholic, and that the sons were baptised in the father's religion and the daughters in the mother's. But so far that is just a hunch - I still need the proof. It would also go directly against the teaching of the RC Church. Anne ______________________________

> Thanks for this, I had forgotten to go back to the IGI after finding the > LIbindex records! Alexander and Robert are both there, with Alexander > registered in Forres and Robert in Kinloss. Indeed they are. Weird that they don't come up when you put in the mother's surname! > I assume that they were either married in Margaret's parish or possibly > (as Robert was supposedly a Naval Tailor) at the port where he lived. > Findhorn was presumably not a Navy port? I'm not aware of it ever having been a base of the Royal Navy, but there was a good deal of mercantile traffic, taking grain from Moray to markets in the south. It could be that he was a tailor supplying both Royal and Merchant Navy. Anne

I have Peter Davidson married to Ann Morrison Rayne Peter born @ 1793 , Ann born @ 1801 Alexander Davidson , 1833 , married Mary Carle 1861. any possible connection

Apologies for not responding to this query when appealed to - I've been off up to Lunnon Town getting some Culture. I agree with what Ian and Anne have said about Banff, Banffshire and Moray/Elginshire. Poor old Banff (the town) has been kicked around, rather, in successive local government reorganisations, as has its county. The current query does seem to refer to the Town of Banff. But one additional point I would make is that some "sources" (notably the IGI) really haven't got their heads round the distinctions which have to be drawn between Banff (the town), Banff (the parish) and Banff (the county). I have tried, in the pages I maintain for GENUKI (at www.abdn.net/genuki/BAN/), to chart the history of the boundaries of the various parishes of Banffshire, and their likely implications for finding ancestors in some of the main sources. Gavin Bell

I've looked up my history of Scotland. It would appear that Banff stood between the earldoms of Moray and Buchan, and probably for some centuries, at least during the time of Macbeth, Banff was under the Moray jurisdiction until it emerged later as a burgh more or less in its own right with its own -shire appellation. Of course, if the information sought were compiled in Kent it would be easy not to know of a Banffshire and to assume it came under the older Morayshire. However, others might have a more accurate explanation but this is the best I can muster at the moment. Shalom Chris -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2005 7:13 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Banff > From what I know now, the town of Banff, Banffshire > was his birthplace, and I can only assume at this > point, that Morayshire 'may' have been where he lived > afterwards. I think that has to be the likeliest explanation. Do you know the names of his parents? I note that his baptism is not in the IGI, so I was unable to check for siblings born elsewhere. Anne ______________________________

I found two sons, Alexander and Robert, by searching without the mother's surname. Another glitch in the IGI indexing, though it usually only happens with the Mc & Mac prefixes. ALEXANDER DAVIDSON Birth: 22 APR 1808 Christening: 25 APR 1808 Forres, Moray, Scotland ---------------- ROBERT DAVIDSON Birth: 05 AUG 1818 Christening: 13 AUG 1818 Kinloss, Moray, Scotland -- Jo-Ann Croft

> I've got his bare-bones army record from Hart's Army > list, but that's all I've got. Ah. WEll, have a look at the PRO web site http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm They don't do research for you - either you have to go yourself, or get someone to search on your behalf. I believe that Army officers' records from that period can be very detailed, including birthplaces, parentage, where and when recruited, and where they served. I am sure there are other Listers with experience of this type of research. Anne