Hi Mary I have re-checked all the sources held in Elgin for deaths/burials for Rathven, and there is nothing at the right time for your Hector Cunningham Rathven Kirkyard: 1859-1881 and 1877-1988 Hillhead: 1900-1963 and 1901-1988 Buckie: 1897-1988, 1898-1988 and 1901-1988 St Ninians: 1883-1988 Burnside: 1924-1988 Rathven Parish Register: 1724-1790 Rathven Episcopal Register: 1835-1836 only Preshome RC Registers: 1794-1798 and 1805-1829 Enzie Free Church: none at all There are no Cunningham baptisms in either the RC or the Episcopal registers between 1830 and 1840, and the Free Church ones don't start until 1844, of course. It is possible that there may be something in the Rathven Kirk Session minutes, but as Gavin says, they are held in the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh.

Searching connections to the following in Rathven Alexander Grant Born 1810 Rathven married Janet Jamieson had 9 children. Alexander, James, Jane, Ann, Mary Jessie, Robert, Charles, George ,George died in Hawera New Zealand. Daughter Jane Grant married William Smith, had 8 children, including one son James Grant who was illegitimate, he is my husbands grandfather. Anyone have these names in their tree? Margaret Alberta Canada

Hi ... There is a Moss Side Farm in Urquhart. See below .. Go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ Click on 'street' and search for Meft Click on 'OS grid' and search for 328500,863500 Check out the next site: James & Sons Petrie Moss Side Farm, Urquhart, Morayshire, Elgin, IV30 8NH http://www.touchinverness.com/business/list/bid/2288353 Click on 'view map and directions' Regards, L. Ross -----Original Message----- From: boards@ancestry.com [mailto:boards@ancestry.com]On Behalf Of annenian@ntlworld.com Sent: April 6, 2005 10:11 AM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] Moss-side of Meft This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//BgC.2ACI/1280 Message Board Post: My g.g.grandfather, Alexander Cameron, was living at Moss-side in Meft in the Parish of Urquhart in 1827. Anne was kind enough to confirm the location but does anyone have any information on this place? Is it the name of the area, a farm or perhaps a village? I would be particularly interested if there was a Stonemason's yard or similar in the area since he was a Master Mason. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Ian Cameron ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

William, The Km is Kirkmichael churchyard according to libindx abbreviations list. Also found a death for an Alexander McPHERSON at Claggan, age 77 in 1884, ref NM117595 There is no headstone, but a newspaper reference. -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hi Chris & Ed Thanks very much for the help! Kind regards Murray

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//BgC.2ACI/1280 Message Board Post: My g.g.grandfather, Alexander Cameron, was living at Moss-side in Meft in the Parish of Urquhart in 1827. Anne was kind enough to confirm the location but does anyone have any information on this place? Is it the name of the area, a farm or perhaps a village? I would be particularly interested if there was a Stonemason's yard or similar in the area since he was a Master Mason. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Ian Cameron

Hi Sharon If your ancestor was in WW1 he should have a campaign medal at least. If so and you have name, regiment and date of birth, you should be able to get an image of the Medals Record Card from http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/medals.asp This will give you a service number. You would then have to visit the PRO at Kew to see the service record - or get someone to do it for you. Can be frustrating as so much is missing - as we found out when we went there The images only show the front of the card and the MoD are talking about dumping the cards as they "have the images on line". Since the reverse of the card sometimes shows additional details and a huge proportion of WW1 Military Records were destroyed by incendiary bombing in WW2, the destruction of such valuable material is a disgrace. I'm not sure of the actual situation on the Medal Cards but some charitable concern was attempting to get them. Maybe some other lister knows what the current position is on this. Good luck Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon" <ssusmol@yahoo.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Army Records > Check your system clock, Judy. Its not Saturday. lol > > I don't know how I'd find Charles Middleton's army > number. I suppose his record can be found without it? > > Sharon > --- Judy Acaster <jude.a@iinet.net.au> wrote: >> Hi Sharon, >> >> As a new Lister, I have been 'lurking' and learning >> from this lively List. >> >> I recovered my g.grandfather's army record and it >> was well worth having. >> Lots of information and exciting to see his >> signature, physical description >> etc. Of course I did have to travel to the UK from >> Australia to do this, >> but the cost of a researcher is a tad cheaper! >> >> Having his Army number was a huge help and I was >> able to go straight to the >> request desk and then wait for the file. However >> it is possible to obtain >> the number with a little bit of research. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Judy......Perth. W. Australia > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or > report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be > found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

At 03:23 AM 5/04/2005, you wrote: >Nearest Rayne I can find is in Essex. > >Chris Ridings Any chance that it could be Old Rayne in Aberdeenshire? :- <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=367676&Y=828374&A=Y&Z=5>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=367676&Y=828374&A=Y&Z=5 _ _ Regards, Ed Barron <ejbarron@netspace.net.au>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SKIRVING Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BgC.2ACI/1279 Message Board Post: Ewart-Skirving On Wednesday, by the Rev. Mr. Barclay, Thomas Ewart, Esq., Barrister, Toronto, to Miss Catharine Seaton Skirving, daughter of the late John Skirving, Esq., of Forres, Scotland. (From Hamilton Spectator, September 5, 1846 - newspaper Hamilton, Ontario, Canada)

No, he was well before WWI. He died in 1854, so his military service was early, to mid 1800's. Sharon --- Ray Hennessy <ray@whatsinaname.net> wrote: > Hi Sharon > > If your ancestor was in WW1 he should have a > campaign medal at least. > If so and you have name, regiment and date of birth, > you should be able > to get an image of the Medals Record Card from > > http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/medals.asp > This will give you a service number. You would then > have to visit the > PRO at Kew to see the service record - or get > someone to do it for you. > Can be frustrating as so much is missing - as we > found out when we went > there > > The images only show the front of the card and the > MoD are talking about > dumping the cards as they "have the images on line". > Since the reverse > of the card sometimes shows additional details and a > huge proportion of > WW1 Military Records were destroyed by incendiary > bombing in WW2, the > destruction of such valuable material is a disgrace. > I'm not sure of > the actual situation on the Medal Cards but some > charitable concern was > attempting to get them. Maybe some other lister > knows what the current > position is on this. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Check your system clock, Judy. Its not Saturday. lol I don't know how I'd find Charles Middleton's army number. I suppose his record can be found without it? Sharon --- Judy Acaster <jude.a@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Hi Sharon, > > As a new Lister, I have been 'lurking' and learning > from this lively List. > > I recovered my g.grandfather's army record and it > was well worth having. > Lots of information and exciting to see his > signature, physical description > etc. Of course I did have to travel to the UK from > Australia to do this, > but the cost of a researcher is a tad cheaper! > > Having his Army number was a huge help and I was > able to go straight to the > request desk and then wait for the file. However > it is possible to obtain > the number with a little bit of research. > > Good luck! > > Judy......Perth. W. Australia ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Hi, I must be having a bad map day - I can't find Rayne (except in England). Is it near Forres? I can't see any connection from the information that I have. Kind regards Murray Avalonwilli@aol.com wrote: >I have Peter Davidson married to Ann Morrison Rayne Peter born >@ 1793 , Ann born @ 1801 Alexander Davidson , 1833 , >married Mary Carle 1861. any possible connection > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > > >

Hi Chris I can't locate Cruden - is this near Forres? Murray Chris Ridings wrote: >I have DAVIDSONs from Cruden. >Any help? > >Shalom > >Chris Ridings from Ryde, NSW > >-----Original Message----- >From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] >Sent: Monday, 4 April 2005 9:08 >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY] Davidson / Murray in Findhorn > > > >>The marvellous Libindex database shows that my Davidsons were from >>Findhorn ca 1800-1840: >> >>Robert Davidson m (ca 1800) Margaret Murray: >> Alexander (1808-1890) m (1840) Marion Grant >>and possibly: >> Isobel (1804) >> Robert (1818) >> >> > >The IGI lists three children of this couple: > >Isobel, baptised 28 December 1804 >Margaret, baptised 21 May 1816 >Isabella Innes, baptised 25 July 1821 > >all in Kinloss. Odd that three daughters are listed, but not the three sons, >or the marriage. > >I have come across a similar family once, where the marriage and three sons >were in the Church of Scotland register but no daughters. In that case I >suspect from other evidence that the father was Protestant and the mother >Roman Catholic, and that the sons were baptised in the father's religion and >the daughters in the mother's. But so far that is just a hunch - I still >need the proof. It would also go directly against the teaching of the RC >Church. > >Anne > >______________________________ > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >" Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > >

> I think I must have missed out on "recovering army records". I have > great-grandfather, grandfather and uncle, all of whom were army > men and I > would dearly love to peruse their army records. I know absolutely > nothing > about them at present. Would whoever brought up this subject > please revert > and advise where I should look? Unfortunately, I have no army > numbers. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/military/army/ Anne

>>> From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >>> I just found out recently that my ancestor Margaret Innes b: 1818 in >>> Sluggan, Banff married Alexander McPherson on the 12 Nov.1835. >>> They lived in Slateford, Banff until her death on the 24 March 1841. >>> To my knowledge they had two children: >>> a) William McPherson b: 9 Oct.1836 in Slateford >>> b) Isabella McPherson b: 19 Apr.1840 in Slateford. >>> Would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have additional >>> information >>> on this family. > Are you sure of these locations? There is a Sluggan in Invernessshire, > down > by Carrbridge, which is Macpherson clan territory. That's the only one I > know. I didn't find a Slateford in Banff, either. I have a lot of > Macpherson > information but knowing the correct location would help a lot. Both these locations were in the parish of Inveravon, Banffshire. They are listed in the 1841 census. This is a good example of why the parish name is always of critical importance in finding places, because the same names can crop up in several different parishes. There are, for example, Slatefords in Edinburgh, East Lothian, Renfrewshire and Ayrshire, and as Laura says, the only Sluggan on modern maps is the one near Carrbridge (though there is a Sluggans, with an 's', on the isle of Skye). It also shows the need to make sure that one always takes care to distinguish the town/village from its surrounding parish and county, if it happens to be the county town. For example Banff (or, for that matter, Elgin, or Inverness, or Stirling, or Ayr, or Forfar, or Dumfries etc etc) can refer to the town, the parish or the county, depending on context. This is why I always make sure to say " ... the town of Banff ..." or " ... the parish of Banff ... " or " ... the county of Banff ... " to make it quite clear what I am referring to. There is an alternative, namely Banffshire, which refers explicitly to the county. Confusion can be avoided by always using Moray, never Elgin, for that county, and Angus, never Forfar, for that. HTH Anne

Wonder if anyone can give me any additional information on the family of Ann Innes &William McKay and their children below. 1. Ann INNES (b.13 Jun 1815-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland;d.5 Sep 1903-Knockandhu) sp: William MCKAY (d.19 May 1872-Knockahndhu) 2. Jane or Jean MCKAY (b.30 Jun 1837-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) sp: WilliamKemp (m.20 Jul 1865) 3. Ann Kemp (b.12 Dec 1865-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) 3. William KEMP (b.5 Jul 1867-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) 3. Mary KEMP (b.26 Sep 1868-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) 3. Charles KEMP (b.2 Oct 1870-Aberlour,Banff,Scotland) 3. Alexander KEMP (b.8 Jun 1872-Aberlour,Banff,Scotland) 2. Peter MCKAY (b.24 Aug 1839-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland;d.16 Oct 1872-Wilkesbarre USA) 2. Alexander MCKAY (b.3 Dec 1842-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) 2. Janet MCKAY (b.13 Feb 1845-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) sp: Charles SMITH (m.Never married) 3. Jessie SMITH (b.19 Feb 1863-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) 2. William MCKAY (b.13 Nov 1847-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland) sp: Christina ??? 3. William MCKAY (b.1881-Glenlivet,Banff) 2. Charles MCKAY (b.1851-Inveravon,Banff,Scotland)

Thanks you all for the corrections. The Slateford should have read as follows: Slateford, Glenlivet, Inveravon, Banff My geography is not very good. William in montreal

Nearest Rayne I can find is in Essex. Chris Ridings -----Original Message----- From: Murray Lynn [mailto:m.lynn@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 9:28 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Davidson in Findhorn Hi, I must be having a bad map day - I can't find Rayne (except in England). Is it near Forres? I can't see any connection from the information that I have. Kind regards Murray Avalonwilli@aol.com wrote: >I have Peter Davidson married to Ann Morrison Rayne Peter born >@ 1793 , Ann born @ 1801 Alexander Davidson , 1833 , >married Mary Carle 1861. any possible connection > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > > > > > ______________________________

Cruden is quite a distance in the east away from Forres and is actually south of Peterhead on the east coast in Aberdeenshire. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Murray Lynn [mailto:m.lynn@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2005 9:26 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Davidson in Findhorn Hi Chris I can't locate Cruden - is this near Forres? Murray Chris Ridings wrote: >I have DAVIDSONs from Cruden. >Any help? > >Shalom > >Chris Ridings from Ryde, NSW > >-----Original Message----- >From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] >Sent: Monday, 4 April 2005 9:08 >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY] Davidson / Murray in Findhorn > > > >>The marvellous Libindex database shows that my Davidsons were from >>Findhorn ca 1800-1840: >> >>Robert Davidson m (ca 1800) Margaret Murray: >> Alexander (1808-1890) m (1840) Marion Grant >>and possibly: >> Isobel (1804) >> Robert (1818) >> >> > >The IGI lists three children of this couple: > >Isobel, baptised 28 December 1804 >Margaret, baptised 21 May 1816 >Isabella Innes, baptised 25 July 1821 > >all in Kinloss. Odd that three daughters are listed, but not the three sons, >or the marriage. > >I have come across a similar family once, where the marriage and three sons >were in the Church of Scotland register but no daughters. In that case I >suspect from other evidence that the father was Protestant and the mother >Roman Catholic, and that the sons were baptised in the father's religion and >the daughters in the mother's. But so far that is just a hunch - I still >need the proof. It would also go directly against the teaching of the RC >Church. > >Anne > >______________________________ > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >" Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > > ______________________________

William, Looks like this might be Alexander in the 1881 census with daughter Isabella. Dwelling: Claggan Census Place: Inveravon, Banff, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203440 GRO Ref Volume 157-2 EnumDist 3 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander MC PHERSON W 73 M Inveravon, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Crofter Of 6 Acres Isabella MC PHERSON U 41 F Inveravon, Banff, Scotland Rel: Daug Occ: Housekeeper ======================= And a possible birth, considering his son's name and the questionable ages in a census. ALEXANDER MC PHERSON Christening: 07 JUN 1810 Inveravon, Banff, Scotland Parents: Father: WILLIAM MC PHERSON Mother: JANET INNES -- Jo-Ann Croft -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> > Hi everyone. > Are there any McPhersons out there? > I just found out recently that my ancestor Margaret Innes b: 1818 in > Sluggan, Banff married Alexander McPherson on the 12 Nov.1835. > They lived in Slateford, Banff until her death on the 24 March 1841. > To my knowledge they had two children: > a) William McPherson b: 9 Oct.1836 in Slateford > b) Isabella McPherson b: 19 Apr.1840 in Slateford. > Would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have additional information > on this family. > William in Montreal > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns about a > virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or join > VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >