Hi Ray, Do you know where Elizabeth McDonald was born. regards Maureen -------Original Message------- From: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: 04/19/05 08:55:41 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Duff look-up - mortlach Hello Ross, Your George Duff died November 28, 1909 at Manse cottage, Mulben he was married to Jessie Shiach she died April 19, 1914. I don't know if you know or not but George's mother Elizabeth McDonald died in Mortlach on October 31, 1837. Let me know where you fit in and i will fill in any gaps for you. Regards Ray ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established lister. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

I seem to have hit a brick wall researching my HENRY/HENDRY ancestors. James HENRY/HENDRY and his wife Ann BARCLAY and two of their daughters Ann and Mary were listed in the 1841 Census at St Andrews Lhanbryd. James HENRY Army Pensioner age 70 Not born in this Parish Ann HENRY age 55 born England Ann HENRY age 25 born England Mary HENRY age 15 born in this Parish I can't find any further trace of any of them - no marriages or deaths in Moray after 1855 - and the 1851 Census drew a blank too. James was the son of John HENDRY & Barbara HAY christened 2 Dec 1770 Rafford, Moray. He was discharged from the Royal Artillery in 1812 age 42. I have still to access his army record at Kew in the hope that it might give details of when his pension ceased to be paid. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Lorna Wallace Glasgow

> Thanks Ray - it's not what I wanted to hear - doesn''t fit with everything > else. Could Jessie Shiach have been a second wife of George Duff? I see that George Duff and Jane Shand had a daughter Margaret in 1850, and that George Duff and Jessie Shiach had a daughter Georgina in 1871. Have you checked Georgina's birth certificate for the details of the marriage of George and Jessie (I note that it isn't listed in the IGI) and/or the death certificate of the George who died in 1909? There's only one George Duff of the right age, born in Banffshire, listed in the online 1841 census: Piece: SCT1841/162 Place: Mortlach-Banffshire Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Mortlach Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 4 Page: 5 Address: Master Town Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks DUFF Peter M 43 Farmer Banffshire DUFF Jannet F 27 Banffshire DUFF George M 13 Banffshire DUFF Helen F 11 Banffshire DUFF John M 8 Banffshire DUFF Peter M 5 Banffshire DUFF James M 4 Banffshire DUFF William M 2 Banffshire DUFF Elspet F 6m Banffshire MILNE Elspet F 20 Female Servant Banffshire ANDERSON Helen F 16 Female Servant Banffshire WRIGHT James M 17 Male Servant Banffshire The IGI lists the following children of Peter Duff, born in Mortlach Robert, born 1 December 1825, mother Elizabeth McDonald George, 31 August 1827, mother Elizabeth McDonald Helen, 10 May 1830, mother Bartridge McDonald John, born 23 September 1832, mother Beatrize McDonald Peter, born 22 September 1835, mother Janet Milen James, born 11 February 1837, mother Janet Milne Elspet, 16 November 1840, mother Janet Milne Elizabeth, born 17 March 1843, mother Janet Milne Alexander, born 7 August 1845, mother Janet Milne Jane, 7 October 1849, mother Jannet Milne Jessie, born 4 December 1854, mother Jannet Milne This list matches exactly the ages of the children in the 1841 census, except that William is missing from the parish register. Peter Duff married Janet Milne 1 December 1834, Mortlach. So I surmise that Elizabeth/Beatrice MacDonald died some time after the birth of John in 1832 and Peter's re-marriage on 1 December 1834. I also note that Peter must presumably still have been alive in early 1854, so there is a good chance that there will be a death certificate in SP. If not, you know for certain that he must have died in 1854. Also, Peter Duff must have been born 1797/8. I suggest that you need to find Janet and children in the 1861 census to narrow down still further Peter's death date. HTH Anne

William,good morning,welcome,and congratulations! Ray > > From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> > Date: 2005/04/19 Tue AM 12:25:08 GMT+12:00 > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MORAY] Descendant or ancestor > > Good morning everyone. > > This is William from Montreal. The oldest member on the Moray list. > > William > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established lister. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Ross, Your George Duff died November 28, 1909 at Manse cottage, Mulben he was married to Jessie Shiach she died April 19, 1914. I don't know if you know or not but George's mother Elizabeth McDonald died in Mortlach on October 31, 1837. Let me know where you fit in and i will fill in any gaps for you. Regards Ray

Aye, there's more Silver Surfers on this list than you can shake a magnifying glass at. Another Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Watt" <gwatt30@hotmail.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [MORAY] Descendant or ancestor > You must be joking William! > > George in Ottawa > > >From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> > >Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MORAY] Descendant or ancestor > >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:25:08 -0400 > > > >Good morning everyone. > > > >This is William from Montreal. The oldest member on the Moray list. > > > >William > > > > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > >Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > >archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > >archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > >lister. > > > >============================== > >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Many, many thanks once again to Anne Burgess,Ray Hennessy and John for your replies. The depth of your knowledge and your willingness to share it never ceases to amaze me. One step further, Ian -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: 18 April 2005 14:36 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Easter Breadless, Alvah > I'm trying to pinpoint a place called Easter Breadless(spelling not > very clear), Alvah. Can anyone help? Thanks. Breedless Farm (a slightly unfortunate name for a farm!!) is on the left side of the River Deveron about 5 miles south-ish of Banff. Easter Breidlees is listed separately from Breidlees in the 1871 census, but it's not on the Landranger map. However Easter Breedless is named on the Explorer map, so if you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for OS Grid 370500,856500, then zoom in to a slightly larger scale using the row of little 'house' symbols at lower right, the arrow should just about be on Easter Breedless. In case you have a problem, it's the little pink rectangle right on the 80m contour line north of Hansdale and south-east of Breedless Farm, on the south of the burn. The other pink rectangle north of the burn is Breedless Croft. Anne ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

< annenian@ntlworld.com > wrote, April 18, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: [MORAY] Easter Breadless, Alvah > I'm trying to pinpoint a place called Easter Breadless > (spelling not very clear), Alvah. Can anyone help? Thanks. Hi [Anne?] Easter Breedless is at NJ707563 on current Ordnance Survey. You can see it by this link: http://tinyurl.com/cgh8b You'll see Breedless Farm just to the west of the unnamed house which is Easter Breedless. Alvah happens to be one of the first parishes in Banffshire for which we have produced a full list of place-names on GENUKI. You can see the full list at: http://www.abdn.net/genuki/BAN/Alvah/locations.html Good hunting Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net

> I'm trying to pinpoint a place called Easter Breadless(spelling not > very clear), Alvah. Can anyone help? Thanks. Breedless Farm (a slightly unfortunate name for a farm!!) is on the left side of the River Deveron about 5 miles south-ish of Banff. Easter Breidlees is listed separately from Breidlees in the 1871 census, but it's not on the Landranger map. However Easter Breedless is named on the Explorer map, so if you go to www.streetmap.co.uk and search for OS Grid 370500,856500, then zoom in to a slightly larger scale using the row of little 'house' symbols at lower right, the arrow should just about be on Easter Breedless. In case you have a problem, it's the little pink rectangle right on the 80m contour line north of Hansdale and south-east of Breedless Farm, on the south of the burn. The other pink rectangle north of the burn is Breedless Croft. Anne

Hi William I like it! Ian

You must be joking William! George in Ottawa >From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MORAY] Descendant or ancestor >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:25:08 -0400 > >Good morning everyone. > >This is William from Montreal. The oldest member on the Moray list. > >William > > >==== MORAY Mailing List ==== >Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the >archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The >archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established >lister. > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Good morning everyone. This is William from Montreal. The oldest member on the Moray list. William

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//BgC.2ACI/1283 Message Board Post: I'm trying to pinpoint a place called Easter Breadless(spelling not very clear), Alvah. Can anyone help? Thanks.

I am trying to get additional facts on Janet Cameron. Here is what I know: She married William Innes on the 27 June 1814 in Glenlivet, Inveravon, Banff, Scotland During their married life they lived at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet, Inveravon, Banff, Scotland. They had four children Ann ( 1815 ), Margaret ( 1818 ), John ( 1820 ) and William ( 1822 ). William is my direct descendant. William, Janet’s husband was Protestant and she was RC. Janet does appear in the 1841 Census but not in the 1851, so it is assumed that she died between those dates. Where she is buried is not known. William, Janet’s husband, died in 1861 confirmed with his death certificate. There is no indication to show where he is buried. We have been able to establish that Janet had at least two brothers Charles Cameron and Robert Cameron Charles died May 19, 1871 in Westerton, Glenlivet, and was survived by his spouse Ann Rattray and their children. His death certificate does show that his parents were John Cameron ( tailor by profession ) and Catherine Stuart. It is not shown where they lived. What we know about Robert is that he was the subject of a biography in “Ecclesiastical Chronicle for Scotland”, Vol 1V, by J F S Gordon and apparently died in Falkirk and is interred in Calton Cemetery , Edinburgh, Scotland. Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. William in Montreal

Typed a few entries from the Times they all have a 'local' connection. Hope they will be of interest to some of you. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb Times articles slightly abbreviated. Oct 20 1836 Death At Garmouth on the 11th oct William Grant who had resided in Panag in the Hon East India Co's Civil Service Sept 19th 1850 Death Invrerne House, Morayshire Robina Ann Grant wife of John Peter Grant and dau of Robert Grant Nov 24 1856 Death on the 5th of Nov Jane daught of Alexaneer Tulloch Aug 10 1872 deaths on 24 May at Aukland NZ Margaret the wife of TG Bamford and 2nd day of John Gordon late of Plewlands Morayshire 15 Mar 1873 death on 12th of Mar at Knockomie Forres Richard Thompson late of Colesburn ZA Aug 23 1877 birth 25th June at Stanger Omvoli Natal ZA Hensby Alexander Grant had a dau Sept 15 1883 death 8 Sept at Bournmouth George Cumming aged 74 died . Writer ot HM Signet to Scotland and eldest son of John Cumming, banker, Forres June 10 1910 death on the 6th of June at Duffus House Sir Archibald H Dunbar of Northfield, 7th Baronet in his 83rd year Oct 14 1914 death Lieut Alastair Mansfield Smith-Cumming who died of wounds at Meaux, the only son of Commandor Mansfield-Cumming RN and Mrs Cumming of 2 Whitehall Court SW and Logie Morayshire 29 Dec 1914 deaeth on the 26th inst at the Royal Farms Windsor, Janet Garrow wife of William Stewart McWilliam funeral service at the Windsor Parish Church, Tuesday 29th inst at 3pm. Internment at Dundurcas, Moray sept 29 1917 death on 27th Sept suddenly at Eaton Hall Military hospital chester, Robert Brander Brander Capt RE attached Portuguese Exped Force and late of Pernaunbuco Brazil. Husband of Daisy and 2nd son of James Brander of Lossiemouth

For the attention of Peter Owen. If you are subscribing to this LIST, please advise me if you have changed your ISP. I discovered a McGregor family in the 1891 Census that may be related to yours at Balmenoch Distillery. All mail from your ntlworld ISP has been returned as "Undelivered" George

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/644.2 Message Board Post: I have a possible James Grant on my tree, not too sure though if he belongs. Do you happen to know the name of the parents of your James Grant? The parents of my possible James Grant are John Grant and Jane or Jean Fraser. From Sunny Greece!

Typed a few entries from the Times they all have a 'local' connection. Hope they will be of interest to some of you. The site is free this week. link and password http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/webdemo password = test Scroll down to Times Digital Archive and off you go. Carol Admin Moray Mailing List www.wakefieldfhs.org.uk/morayweb Times articles slightly abbreviated. Oct 20 1836 Death At Garmouth on the 11th oct William Grant who had resided in Panag in the Hon East India Co's Civil Service Sept 19th 1850 Death Invrerne House, Morayshire Robina Ann Grant wife of John Peter Grant and dau of Robert Grant Nov 24 1856 Death on the 5th of Nov Jane daught of Alexaneer Tulloch Aug 10 1872 deaths on 24 May at Aukland NZ Margaret the wife of TG Bamford and 2nd day of John Gordon late of Plewlands Morayshire 15 Mar 1873 death on 12th of Mar at Knockomie Forres Richard Thompson late of Colesburn ZA Aug 23 1877 birth 25th June at Stanger Omvoli Natal ZA Hensby Alexander Grant had a dau Sept 15 1883 death 8 Sept at Bournmouth George Cumming aged 74 died . Writer ot HM Signet to Scotland and eldest son of John Cumming, banker, Forres June 10 1910 death on the 6th of June at Duffus House Sir Archibald H Dunbar of Northfield, 7th Baronet in his 83rd year Oct 14 1914 death Lieut Alastair Mansfield Smith-Cumming who died of wounds at Meaux, the only son of Commandor Mansfield-Cumming RN and Mrs Cumming of 2 Whitehall Court SW and Logie Morayshire 29 Dec 1914 deaeth on the 26th inst at the Royal Farms Windsor, Janet Garrow wife of William Stewart McWilliam funeral service at the Windsor Parish Church, Tuesday 29th inst at 3pm. Internment at Dundurcas, Moray sept 29 1917 death on 27th Sept suddenly at Eaton Hall Military hospital chester, Robert Brander Brander Capt RE attached Portuguese Exped Force and late of Pernaunbuco Brazil. Husband of Daisy and 2nd son of James Brander of Lossiemouth

My 4 G Grandmother was Margaret Grant born 1772 ,who married Duncan Nairn Cromdale, Inverallen and Adive.. Her parent may have been William and Isobel Grant. Is there a connection? Raelene

Hi List I thought you might, possibly, like to see David Rew's reply about the provenance of the name "June" for his ancestor born sometime in the period 1800-1830. It would appear that the use in the early 19th century is not substantiated, just suspected! If anyone has any other information, I would like to hear. Regards Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net ----- Original Message ----- From: David Rew To: Ray Hennessy April 13, 2005 > Hi Ray > > Thanks for the email. > > I have to say that this June lacks some creditability on the family > tree. She is the only one I can find no birth or census data on in > thisparticular family - and she was marked down as a question mark. > Some of this info came from an older generation who did their research > before internet etc made it easier to prove names and places > - as I have found, and sure you know, fantasy abounds in some of the > handed down information, why everyone expects they are descended from > royalty is somewhat a mystery to me! > > In terms of cross checks and parishes. I do know that father John was > from Elgin, Moray, and mother Margaret from Duffas nearby. But many > ofthe children were born in Aberdeen, and both parents died in > Aberdeen too (both in 1864). > > I had a look at your website - and I have to say it has already helped > me (a few ohhhhhs with some names), but I actually have another 'June' > again whose birth date and place I have still to prove - however she > was born in New Zealand around 1890/1900 which may be more in line > with your website information? > > kind regards > > David Rew ---- Original Message---- From: Ray Hennessy Cc MORAY List 13/04/2005 > >> Hi David >> >> I was intrigued by your reference to June ADAM, born at the end of >> the 18th century. According to the Oxford Names Companion, June as a >> girl's name was a 20th century coinage. Can you let me know which >> parish she was born in? >> >> I've added a note to my website! >> >> Ray Hennessy > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: David Rew To: Message Board/MORAY April 13, 2005 >> Subject: [MORAY] Re: ADAM family, Moray, Scotland >> >>> >>> Going to throw my tuppence worth in and see if there are any >>> matches... >>> >>> I have a John ADAM (abt 1744) married to Margaret SMITH (abt 1750). >>> known child was John ADAM 1777--1864, born in Elgin, Moray died in >>> Aberdeen. He married Margaret ROBERTSON b1778 in the parish of >>> Duffas, died 1864 in >>> Aberdeen. >>> Children: June, George, Helen, John, Margaret, Alexander, >>> William, James >>> >>> Might be a match?