> I found that the Ann Tyre that married John McCulloch was from > Edinkillie, a parish that I had not examined Old Parish IGI records > > from. > I also found that the marriage date differed from the IGI Old Parish > > record date I had. I think the LININDX date is most likely the correct > > one since they ae using a different source. I will still need to order > the microfilms for the Edinkillie records to go through them rather > than just examine the online fact. It is always essential to look at the originals of anything you find online. In particular the date listed in the IGI is often the date of the proclamation of banns rather than the date of the wedding ceremony. However in this case the IGI date is later than the LIBINDX date so you need to try to get hold of both source documents to find out where the discrepancy comes from. > My questions would then be: > 1. Have people found the IGI extracts to sometimes be incorrect? Yes, especailly where the information is 'submitted' rather than 'extracted'. Remember that the IGI does not contain *records*, even though that is how it described them. The IGI is an *index* to the original records, and invaluable as a finding aid, but it is not original data. > 2. The various parishes my ancestors are from are near each other > Did these families tend to move around alot? They would have moved around a bit in the local area, notably if the father was a farm servant. Farm servants were usually hired for six months at a time, and might easily move several times during the early years of his marriage. Once he made the transition from farm servant to farmer or crofter, they would tend to stay put. > Or would he mother possibly been visiting relatives or something > when she had the child and it was christened in the relatives's > paish since the christening usually occurred within 2-3 days of the > > birth? There is no hard and fast rule about the interval between birth and christening. It seems to vary by parish, and in some it can be two months afterwards. In general the child would normally be baptised in the parents' parish of residence for the time being. HTH Anne

Dear Jo-Ann, Thank you for the GRANT strays. I don't think any of them are mine - but, "who knows!!" I shall certainly print them off and add to the files. Curses to my Scottish ancestors who had 'common' names such as GRANT & McKENZIE. However, their bravery and hardwork ethic in order to migrate and settle in Australia in 1857 must surely be in my genes and I will battle on. Judy......Perth. W. Australia on 9/5/05 4:15 AM, jecroft@att.net at jecroft@att.net wrote: > I found a few GRANT from Moray listings in the on-line 1851 census of the > Stewartry of Kirkcudbright at > http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx >

At 11:16 PM 8/05/2005, you wrote: >Hi everyone. Can anyone tell me where Battle Sussex is. Helen Innes was my >great aunt born 1869 at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet. > >The Libindx NM037987 says that she was married to a person named Dick. And >that she died on the 2 Feb.1849 at the age of 80 in Battle Sussex. > >With ScotlandsPeople I have been able to narrow it down to three >districts: Bothwell in Lanark, Cabrach in Banff and Aberdeen Northern >District in Aberdeen. > >Did get the extract for Aberdeen Northern District but it says that her >parents were Charles George Innes and Catherine Sinclair Innes ( Bremner >). This doesn't appear to be mine. > >Can anyone help > >William in Montreal Well, there is a town called Battle in Sussex: see <http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=574974&Y=115655&A=Y&Z=5>http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=574974&Y=115655&A=Y&Z=5 It is also present in the old map click on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm and enter 575075, 115610 in the search box, click on Co-ordinate then Search. Battle will then be shown as it appeared in 1878. I would imagine that this could well be the place for which you are searching. Do you have any evidence that she could not have left Scotland? HTH _ _ Regards, Ed Barron <ejbarron@netspace.net.au>

> My thanks go out to Tony and George for that link to get birth, marriage > and death certificates in England and Wales. > > If anyone has needs in either England or Wales then as Tony and George > recommended go to: http://www.1837online.com Unless the event you want is before 1910, in which case start at www.freebmd.rootsweb.com which, unlike 1837online, is free. However it is as yet incomplete, so you may still need to fall back on 1837online. Anne

I want to thank Anne who on May 7th suggersted I go to LIBINDX for information on my Falconer line. Although I did not find the Falconers I wanted I did find some other infromation on my Trye and McCulloch lines. And amasing enough I found that the Ann Tyre that married John McCulloch was from Edinkillie, a parish that I had not examined Old Parish IGI records from. I also found that the marriage date differed from the IGI Old Parish record date I had. I think the LININDX date is most likely the correct one since they ae using a different source. I will still need to order the microfilms for the Edinkillie records to go through them rather than just examine the online fact. My questions would then be: 1. Have people found the IGI extracts to sometimes be incorrect? 2. The various parishes my ancestors are from are near each other, usually within 7 to 15 miles:. In the Falconer instance, 3 cildren were christened in New Spynie (about 1-2 miles north of Elgin), one in Rafford,(about 4 miles south of Forres) and 3 in Dyke (about 4 miles west of Forres). Did these families tend to move around alot? Or would he mother possibly been visiting relatives or something when she had the child and it was christened in the relatives's paish since the christening usually occurred within 2-3 days of the birth? I guess for some reason, I thought that people would tend to saty in one place and possibly meet their spouses in the same town especially in the era that there were no cars. But I now realize that people were fairly mobile in the 1700s and 1800s and I need to expand my horizons to many of the other parishes that I had been neglecting. Of course when one finds a couple of Ann Tyre' and a couple of John McCullochs in several parishes (and tha! t is using the parish record microfilms-not just the IGI online extracts) that are in the same time span, it really becomes confusing, especially when the mother is not listed for a christening. I would appreciate any comment others mikght have on christening locations. Thank you all again for help you give. Susan McClure

My thanks go out to Tony and George for that link to get birth, marriage and death certificates in England and Wales. If anyone has needs in either England or Wales then as Tony and George recommended go to: http://www.1837online.com William

Hi William, I must say that they do give you a hammering here sometimes. It's a good thing that we are all on the same side really, but keep fighting just like William the Conqueror. Anyway, if you want a death extract for England then you need 1837online.com Lucky you, living in Montreal. I was there playing at the Jazz Festival a few years ago. I enjoyed every minute there. Good luck, Tony in Holland ---- Original Message ----- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: [MORAY] Battle Sussex > Thank you all for such a prompt response. I must admit that I made a > slight mistake for the date of death for Helen. It should have read 2 > Feb.1949 not 1849. In Battle Sussex > > Any idea where I might get hold of her death extract. > > William > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have concerns > about a virus, contact the list admin at MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or > join VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Thank you Anne, for your detailed reply. The mists of Scottish research are gradually clearing with your knowledge and generosity but I fear I have a long way to go! I guess any knowledge adds to the story and even if the Parish Register names Lachlan's parents and their residence it is one more clue as to their origins - and who knows? Like Pat, another West Australian, I too am planning a trip to Scotland later this year, and realise that I must be armed with as much information as I can possibly glean. Every little bit helps. Thanks again...........Judy. Perth. W.Australia > Hi Judy > > Tha IGI indexes only the parish where the baptism was recorded. Cromdale, > Inverallan and Advie is the name of a parish. There were formerly three > separate parishes, but some time before the 18th century they were > amalgamated, hence the cumbersome name. > > When you find an entry in the IGI, you should always plan to look at the > original entry - in this case the IGI says it is 'extracted' and the Batch > No is C110932, so it is from the Church of Scotland register for the > combined parish of Cromdale Inverallan and Advie. > > I can't recall offhand how much detail the Cromdale Inverallan and Advie > parish register goes into, but the most you are likely to find is the > parents' residence and possibly names of witnesses. I do not think it is > likely to say where exactly within the parish the christening took place. > > HTH > > Anne > > ______________________________

Thanks Karen - Yes, it is confusing and I seem to hit more brick walls in Scotland than anywhere else. I am looking forward to visiting the area where my g.g.grandparents originated, but need to be armed with lots of data before embarking on my journey. Hopefully, this List will enlighten me in my search. Cheers!..........Judy. Perth. W. Australia on 4/5/05 12:16 AM, karen donald at karenadona@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > This is one parish amalgamated at various times into > one, two or three parishes. At that time it was > one!Could be any of them.And at some time it was the > County of Inverness and at others Moray !! Just to > confuse matters even more. > > Karen Donald >

I found a few GRANT from Moray listings in the on-line 1851 census of the Stewartry of Kirkcudbright at http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx Name: McDOWALL , Jean [my note: maiden surname GRANT] Address: Village of Rhonehouse(869) Parish: Kelton Relationship: wife of William McDowall Marital Status: married Occupation: Age: 50 Born: born Forres Morayshi Household No: 10/6 ----------------------- Name: GRANT , James [my note: wife not resident there] Address: Maxweltown Lodge(826): Parish: Glencairn Relationship: lodger in household of Joseph Johnstone Marital Status: married Occupation: FORESTER Age: 29 Born: born Dalvey Moray Household No: 6/40 ----------------- Name: GRANT , Lewes Address: Drumlanrig Garden Lodge(845): Parish: Penpont Relationship: lodger in household of Simon Hislop Marital Status: unmarried Occupation: GARDENER/journeyman Age: 22 Born: born Edenkell Murray Household No: 6/37 -- Jo-Ann Croft

Hi William, At http://www.1837online.com. You will find the following - Deaths during Jan-Feb-Mar(1st qtr) 1949 Helen INNES aged:80,District:Battle,Vol 5 h Page 30 You can order copy certs online quoting the above Vol and Page no's. I had a few credits left. Hope this helps. Regards George > -----Original Message----- > From: William Innes [mailto:w.innes@sympatico.ca] > Sent: 08 May 2005 15:24 > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MORAY] Battle Sussex > > > Thank you all for such a prompt response. I must admit that I > made a slight > mistake for the date of death for Helen. It should have read > 2 Feb.1949 not > 1849. In Battle Sussex > > Any idea where I might get hold of her death extract. > > William > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Please do not send virus warnings to this list. If you have > concerns about a virus, contact the list admin at > MORAY-D-request@rootsweb.com or join > VIRUS-DISCUSSIONS-L@rootsweb.com subscribe in the subject line. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records > added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

> Thank you all for such a prompt response. I must admit that I made a > slight mistake for the date of death for Helen. It should have read 2 > Feb.1949 not 1849. In Battle Sussex > > Any idea where I might get hold of her death extract. There is information about getting English death certificates on www.genuki.org.uk. Anne

The link below is from Multimap and gives the location of Battle, W Sussex. It is named after the Battle of Hastings. You know, King Harold and William the Conquerer, Bayeaux Tapestry etc. The high alter of Battle Abbey is supposed to be on the exact position where King Harold fell with an arrow in his eye. I've also put a link to a site for Battle info http://multimap.co.uk/map/browse.cgi?GridE=0.48770&GridN=50.91380&client=public&lon=0.48770&lat=50.91380&place=Battle,East+Sussex&db=freegaz&local=&type=&start=&limit=&overviewmap=&scale=100000&lang=&db=freegaz http://www.battle-sussex.co.uk/home/town.asp Happy hunting Carol Moray List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: [MORAY] Battle Sussex Hi everyone. Can anyone tell me where Battle Sussex is. Helen Innes was my great aunt born 1869 at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet. The Libindx NM037987 says that she was married to a person named Dick. And that she died on the 2 Feb.1849 at the age of 80 in Battle Sussex. With ScotlandsPeople I have been able to narrow it down to three districts: Bothwell in Lanark, Cabrach in Banff and Aberdeen Northern District in Aberdeen. Did get the extract for Aberdeen Northern District but it says that her parents were Charles George Innes and Catherine Sinclair Innes ( Bremner ). This doesn’t appear to be mine. Can anyone help William in Montreal ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

William in Montreal asked: > Can anyone tell me where Battle Sussex is. Hi William Not too surprisingly it's at Battle in Sussex. Battle is a Village outside Hastings in the county of Sussex [now East Sussex], on the south coast of England. Battle is the site of a crucial battle in English [and presumably Canadian] history where the William, Duke of Normandy - known as the Conqueror - routed the forces of King Harold II of England. Come on, William! "The Battle of Hastings, 1066" must be the earliest reason why the French and English speakers in Canada are so much up each other!! Surely they must teach you that in Montreal?!?! :-)) Yours pedantically Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net PS I'm part Irish so what do I know? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: [MORAY] Battle Sussex > Hi everyone. Can anyone tell me where Battle Sussex is. Helen Innes > was my great aunt born 1869 at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet. > > The Libindx NM037987 says that she was married to a person named Dick. > And that she died on the 2 Feb.1849 at the age of 80 in Battle Sussex. > > With ScotlandsPeople I have been able to narrow it down to three > districts: Bothwell in Lanark, Cabrach in Banff and Aberdeen Northern > District in Aberdeen. > > Did get the extract for Aberdeen Northern District but it says that > her parents were Charles George Innes and Catherine Sinclair Innes ( > Bremner ). This doesn’t appear to be mine. > > Can anyone help > > William in Montreal > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be > transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in > transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual > email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the > mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi William Battle in Sussex is in the south of England on the coast near to Hastings. Regards Lorna Glasgow ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: [MORAY] Battle Sussex > Hi everyone. Can anyone tell me where Battle Sussex is. Helen Innes was my > great aunt born 1869 at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet. > > The Libindx NM037987 says that she was married to a person named Dick. And > that she died on the 2 Feb.1849 at the age of 80 in Battle Sussex. > > With ScotlandsPeople I have been able to narrow it down to three districts: > Bothwell in Lanark, Cabrach in Banff and Aberdeen Northern District in > Aberdeen. > > Did get the extract for Aberdeen Northern District but it says that her > parents were Charles George Innes and Catherine Sinclair Innes ( Bremner ). > This doesn’t appear to be mine. > > Can anyone help > > William in Montreal > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Thank you all for such a prompt response. I must admit that I made a slight mistake for the date of death for Helen. It should have read 2 Feb.1949 not 1849. In Battle Sussex Any idea where I might get hold of her death extract. William

Hi everyone. Can anyone tell me where Battle Sussex is. Helen Innes was my great aunt born 1869 at Craighead Farm in Glenlivet. The Libindx NM037987 says that she was married to a person named Dick. And that she died on the 2 Feb.1849 at the age of 80 in Battle Sussex. With ScotlandsPeople I have been able to narrow it down to three districts: Bothwell in Lanark, Cabrach in Banff and Aberdeen Northern District in Aberdeen. Did get the extract for Aberdeen Northern District but it says that her parents were Charles George Innes and Catherine Sinclair Innes ( Bremner ). This doesn’t appear to be mine. Can anyone help William in Montreal

HI Susan I cannot help with your Alexander Falconer but I wonder if you have been able to look at LIBINDX http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp which has 1131 references to Falconers in the Moray area. Anne

Hi Larry, Thanks for the information and the link. Regards, Ian -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of l_rigbee@hotmail.com Sent: 07 May 2005 11:04 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] Re: Moss-side of Meft This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1280.1 Message Board Post: Hi Ian, Just a wee bit here…. >From the Canmore database – free, but must register: http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/index.html NMRS Number NMRS Name Class Council Scheduled/Listed Collection Summary NJ05NE 43 Moss-Side Alternative(s):Blervie Estate Farming And Fishing; Residential Moray Manuscripts: 1 NJ16SE 40 Mosstowie, Railway Cottages Alternative(s):Burnside Farm Residential Moray NJ24SE 53 Moss Of Bourach Alternative(s):Moss-Side Croft Enclosure Moray Manuscripts: 1 NJ26SE 99 Innesmill Alternative(s):Urquhart Parish Church; Moss-Side Barrows: Square (Possible); Enclosures; Ring-Ditches (Possible); Cropmarks Moray Manuscripts: 1 NJ55SW 21 Moss-Side Farmstead Moray ** http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/townfirst1944.html ** Regards, Larry ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== If you need to unsub for your holidays, change your email address, or report anything to the admin of the list - all this information can be found at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/MORAY.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi to all listers For the past 10 years, I have been happy to think the "Cromdale Church" and the "Inverallen Churchyard" as being somewhere in the vicinity of Grantown INV .....however, no more! I wish to visit both these places in September this year and after noting the discussion some time back on this list re the united parishes of Cromdale, Advie and Inverallen, I thought I had better get some clear directions. Is the Cromdale Church in Grantown as I previously thought, or in an area called Cromdale? (discussion some time back) Also, where will I find the Inverallen Church? AND is there a Church called the Grantown Church? Many thanks pat in Western Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.6 - Release Date: 6/05/2005