Hi Angela In an effort to try and assist you I had a look at the IGI and see that the first three children are recorded as 'Henderson or Ross' but the next four (all that are covered by the IGI) are simply listed as Henderson. This indicates to me that the first three were illegitimate but the others may not be. However a look at the 1881 Census gives the following entry for the family: Dwelling: 8 Queens Lane Census Place: Drainie, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203432 GRO Ref Volume 130 EnumDist 2 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander HENDERSON U 40 M Duffus, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Lab Catherine ROSS U 41 F St Andrews, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Housekeeper Occ: Dom Housekeeper George HENDERSON U 14 M Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Ag Serv Ann HENDERSON U 12 F Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Helen HENDERSON U 10 F Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Catherine HENDERSON U 8 F Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Jamima HENDERSON U 6 F Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Peter HENDERSON U 4 M Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Jane HENDERSON U 1 F Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau William SHEARER U 14 M Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Gd Child Occ: Scholar Catherine SMITH U 1 F Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Gd Child Alexr. SMITH U 17 M Lossiemouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Neph Occ: Ag Serv As you can see this indicates they were not married at that time and John and Margaret are not included in the entry. Alexander Smith who is listed as a Nephew could be the son of Alexander Smith and Johanna Ross (possibly a sister of Catherine?). Who are the parents of William Shearer and Catherine Smith who are listed as Grandchildren. Margaret Henderson would appear to be the only possibility but not for a 14 year old. You have probably been over all this already and have the answers, Ian A C Scott

Howard, Thanks but they are not the family I'm after. John GEDDES is listed as a sailor (Coasting Trade) on his marriage and I have them on the 1891 Census in Aberdeen. John wasn't there presumably he was away at sea. Margaret was listed as Sailors wife. They have a son John 1yr and a daughter Georgina 8ys. Which would make her birth before their wedding in 1885. His father James is listed as a Railway servent on their marriage cert. both he and John's mother Barbara listed as deceased Margaret's parents were Alexander HENDERSON and Catherine ROSS who as far as I've found had 9 children together but never married. Although she is listed as his wife on the 1891 census but prior to that housekeeper. They lived at Lossiemouth Hopefully this might connect with someone Regards Angela

----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Geddes <hwg58lists@hwgeddes.freeserve.co.uk> To: Angela Kelly <angkelly@aapt.net.au>; <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Geddes > Angela, what other details do you have? Especially occupations, and Margaret > HENDERSON's parents? > The 1891 census index has these people (one family?) in Elgin district ref > 135-013-004, which fits with an 1861 birth. > John GEDDES 30 > Margaret J GEDDES 27 (prob his wife) > Alexander GEDDES 2 (prob their son) > In 1881, John Geddes was a Tinsmith, born "Dalvey, Elgin". > > I already had a question mark against them, wondering whether he was John > GEDDES born 23-Jun-1859 Dyke to William GEDDES and Barbara SMITH. I know > about this couple. Tell you more if there's a connection, otherwise it'll > just confuse right now. Note the name Barbara in common, though. > > I now see that there is a Margaret J HENDERSON in 1881: > Dwelling: 56 Mealvennel. Perth Middle Church, Perth, Scotland Volume 387 > EnumDist 24 Page 42 > John HENDERSON M 43 M Nairn, Banff, Scotland HeadLetter Carrier > Ann HENDERSON M 40 F Nairn, Banff, Scotland WifeHouse Keeper > Margaret J. HENDERSON U 18 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Daur Machinist <<<--- > James R. HENDERSON U 15 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Son Telegraph Messenger > Annie HENDERSON U 13 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Daur Picking At Dye Works > Mary HENDERSON 11 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Daur Scholar > John HENDERSON 9 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Son Scholar > Isabella B. HENDERSON 6 F Perth, Perth, Scotland Daur Scholar > William HENDERSON 3 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Son > Isac Mc I. HENDERSON 9 m M Perth, Perth, Scotland Son > Maybe the family returned 'home'. > > This is a pretty long-odds possibility, and a look at the actual census > could well destroy this theory, but if none of 'your' names seem to exist, > perhaps they are not the right names. > > Regards Howard Geddes > > PS I'll be off-air for a week or so. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/05 > >

Thank you Ray I wonder can you find anything on the following two families. James Macpherson born Riannacht married in 1807 Elspet Smith born Arnagarow ( my GGG Grandparents). They had a familly in Aberlour, Beatrix, Ann, Elspet, James and Elizabeth. Any census atc records would be greatfully recieved. The second familly is of James Duncan born 1802 Botriphnie and Jane Sheed born 1812 Cabrach. They had children in Mortlach, Marjory 1841,John, Janet, James, Jane, Margaret, and Alexander born last 1854. Again anything would be great thank you. I hope this is not to much to ask. Ann Roots

Ray, I wonder if you have anything on Elizabeth Younie,b.abt 1791 in Arberlour? She died 5 December 1869,at Blackdam,Urquhart. Married Peter Morrison abt 1819 in Moray ?where. Her parents were John Younie and Elizabeth Grant. Thank you. Marie New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aberlouresearch@aol.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY]Banffshire databases update................. > Hi Everyone, Just to let you know which 0f the following databases i have > been working on. > > > Aberlour Baptisms 1703 - 1854 > Births 1855 - 1905 > > Banns 1708 - 1854 > Marriages 1855 - 1905 > > Burials 1709 - 1760 > Deaths 1855 - 1905 > > Census 1841 1851 1861 1871 1881 1891 > > M.I'S Complete upto 2004 > > I.G.I Complete > > Following shortly will be School admission > registers and Poor law > records. > > I also have a family file with over 20,000 > people connected to the > families in Aberlour. > > > > Inveravon Census 1841 1851 1861 1881 > > I.G.I complete > > > > Mortlach Baptaisms 1741 - 1820 > > Census 1805 1821 1841 1851 1861 > 1881 > > I.G.I Complete > > > > If anyone would like anything checking please just ask. > > Regards Ray > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/05 > >

I have an index for the Tyrie (Aberdeenshire) 1901 Census I don't have all the info. Audrey Marr _http://www.fsk642.freeserve.co.uk/tyrieindex.htm_ (http://www.fsk642.freeserve.co.uk/tyrieindex.htm)

Only saw it here, sorry. Sharon --- Aberloursearch@aol.com wrote: > Hello Sharon, This e-mailwas sent to various > lists....... > > Ray ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Yes, I remember we already had this discussion about Banffshire, and Moray concerning my rellie, Charles Middleton, who was born in Banff, Banffshire, 1797. I still haven't found him. Sharon --- Gavin Bell <g.bell@which.net> wrote: > > Banffshire has long been something of a Cinderella > among counties, > always in danger of being swallowed by its bigger > neighbours. > > In ecclesiastical terms, the county never really > existed. The Kirk of > Scotland divided the country up into administrative > districts called > Synods (being a gouping of Presbyteries, which in > turn were a grouping > of Parishes), and while they had different > boundaries from the counties, > these did broadly coincide. So Aberdeenshire > covered much of the same > ground as the Synod of Aberdeen, and the county of > Angus largely > coincided with the Synod of Angus and Mearns. But > Banffshire never made > it to Synod status, being divided between the Synods > of Moray and Aberdeen. > > As a civil county (for the administration of > justice, and other purposes > connected with the Crown), Banffshire did exist for > a number of > centuries, but with very untidy boundaries: until > 1891, when there was > a grand tidy-up, some parishes were in more than one > county, and some > parts of the county actually existed as islands > within other counties. > I have documented these oddities, and their likely > implications for > genealogy, on the Banffshire pages of GENUKI > (www.abdn.net/genuki/BAN). > > More recently, Banffshire has, along with all > Scottish counties, been > subject to two major reorganisations: in 1974, the > old counties were > replaced by a system of "Regions". Banffshire > (together with > Aberdeenshire, Kincardine, Moray and the City of > Aberdeen) was absorbed > into Grampian Region. 20 years later, the doctine > of "Big is Beautiful" > had gone out of fashion, and the Regions were split > up again. However, > we did not go back to where we were before. > Instead, the territory of > Grampian Region was split into 3: Aberdeen City, > Aberdeenshire and > Moray, but "Aberdeenshire" now includes all of > Kincardine, and the > eastern half of Banffshire. Similarly, "Moray" has > absorbed the western > parts of Banffshire. > > As a result of all these changes, finding the > archives which might > contain information on one's ancestors is, to say > the least, complicated. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Intriguing Ray ????? Yes my sister and I were both born in Glasgow. I have Generations Grande Suite 8. Regards Stewart Winchester

Hello Stewart, Were both you and your sister born in Glasgow ? I am away from home at the moment but will send you a gedcom of the McKerron clan when i return. What genealogy programe are you running ? Regards Ray

Hello William, I have checked the 1861 census for Mortlach for your John Innes and can tell you that he nor any other Innes family were residing at Soccach on the night in question. I then checked the 1851 and 1861 census for Aberlour and he his not recorded their either. One place that you may like to check is the 1861 census for Botriphnie as i find in my database that there was an Elizabeth Primrose Innes nee McKenzie who died in Soccach on November 16, 1898, she was the wife of a William Innes who was born c. 1821 in Botriphnie and this family were living in Mortlach at the time of the 1861 census, it may just be that this William was the brother or some other close relative of your John. Hope this may be of some help to you in your research. Regards Ray

Hello George, How are you both? I haven't spoke to you for quite some time I have been quite busy with these ongoing databases and we have just returned last week from a vacation in Mexico. We are hoping to maybe do Canada next year so may hopefully see you both then. I did Know that Soccach was in Glenrinnes as some of my Stuart anscestors lived there in the 18th century. I will check the 1861 census for William and let him know what i find. Regards To both of you. Ray

Hello Marie, Your Elizabeth Younie daughter of John Younie and Elizabeth Grant was probably baptised as you think about 1791 Probably in Ruddrie in Aberlour, although there is no mention of her in the baptism records. It is very difficult to be exact except to say that she probably had the following siblings who were recorded in the registers: John Baptised 16 July 1780 in Crofthead William Baptised 31 January 1788 in Ruddrie witness to this baptism was Jean Grant alias McRobbie. George Baptised 28 May 1797 in Hillfolds of Ruddrie Jean Baptised 23 March 1800 in Aberlour The parents of the above children were recorded as John Younie and Elizabeth McRobbie. Some other families of McRobbies were also known as McRobbie alias Grant although there is no mention of the alias on the above baptisms it is as well to be regarding this family Could be the same as your John and Elizabeth Grant. Another child baptised is however certainly the sister of your Elizabeth Younie: Margaret Younie baptised 20 April 1782 in Derrylain daughter of the above John Younie and Elizabeth Grant. Hope this is of some help in your research Regards ray

Hi Ian, Here is what you asked for from the 1861 census for Mortlach: Easter Brawlands. Isabella Baillie Head Widow Farmer 30 acres aged 49 born Mortlach George Baillie Son Un aged 20 born Mortlach Isabella Baillie Daughter Scholar aged 14 born Mortlach David Baillie Son aged 11 born Mortlach Mary Baillie Daughter aged 8 born Mortlach According to this entry it would seem that Isabella's husband must have died between 1852 and 1861. I have checked the rest of the 1861 census for any other Baillies but there are none listed. Hope this may be of some help in your research. Regards ray

Hi Ray, JAMES and MARGARET are my 4x GGrandparents, through JAMES [c-1801] son of JAMES and MARGARET ANN [22/11/1843]born Knockside WILLIAM McKERRON STEWART [17/03/1865]born Knockside CATHERINE STEWART [12/03/1900] my Grandmother. I have actually had contact with you in the past concerning the McKerrons but I could not be 100% sure of the link between ANN[22/11/1843] and WILLIAM McKERRON STEWART until quite recently. It has certainly opened a can of worms with regard to the LARGE McKERRON family,as you well know. I would be happy to receive any info that you have. Regards STEWART WINCHESTER

Hi William & Ray, I am not aware of any place name Sockach withiin the parish of Aberlour, however, the only one that it could possibly may have been is the Sockach in Glenrinnes. Iin 1963, this Sockach was located in the Parish of Mortlach and very close to the Aberlour march line. This does not answer your question William but Ray may be able to locate where this family were residing in Mortlach at the time of the 1861 Census Regards to both - George ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >From: "William Innes" <w.innes@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MORAY]Banffshire databases update................. >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 11:25:08 -0400 > >Would you have anything on a John Innes who died on the 15 July 1863 in >Aberlour. It shows he died in Sockach. > >William >----- Original Message ----- From: <Aberlouresearch@aol.com>

Do you have anything on Jane/Jean STURAT/STEWART born about Feb 1804 in Inveravon. Parents were Lewis and Elizabeth. Thank you Alice Myers Sequim, WA almyers@tenforward.com Hi Everyone, Just to let you know which 0f the > following databases i have > been working on. > > > Aberlour Baptisms 1703 - 1854 > Births 1855 - > 1905 > > Banns 1708 - > 1854 > Marriages 1855 - > 1905

Sharon wrote: > When did Banffshire move to Moray? Banffshire has long been something of a Cinderella among counties, always in danger of being swallowed by its bigger neighbours. In ecclesiastical terms, the county never really existed. The Kirk of Scotland divided the country up into administrative districts called Synods (being a gouping of Presbyteries, which in turn were a grouping of Parishes), and while they had different boundaries from the counties, these did broadly coincide. So Aberdeenshire covered much of the same ground as the Synod of Aberdeen, and the county of Angus largely coincided with the Synod of Angus and Mearns. But Banffshire never made it to Synod status, being divided between the Synods of Moray and Aberdeen. As a civil county (for the administration of justice, and other purposes connected with the Crown), Banffshire did exist for a number of centuries, but with very untidy boundaries: until 1891, when there was a grand tidy-up, some parishes were in more than one county, and some parts of the county actually existed as islands within other counties. I have documented these oddities, and their likely implications for genealogy, on the Banffshire pages of GENUKI (www.abdn.net/genuki/BAN). More recently, Banffshire has, along with all Scottish counties, been subject to two major reorganisations: in 1974, the old counties were replaced by a system of "Regions". Banffshire (together with Aberdeenshire, Kincardine, Moray and the City of Aberdeen) was absorbed into Grampian Region. 20 years later, the doctine of "Big is Beautiful" had gone out of fashion, and the Regions were split up again. However, we did not go back to where we were before. Instead, the territory of Grampian Region was split into 3: Aberdeen City, Aberdeenshire and Moray, but "Aberdeenshire" now includes all of Kincardine, and the eastern half of Banffshire. Similarly, "Moray" has absorbed the western parts of Banffshire. As a result of all these changes, finding the archives which might contain information on one's ancestors is, to say the least, complicated. Gavin Bell

Hello Sharon, This e-mailwas sent to various lists....... Ray

Hello Stewart, Where do you fit in Wth James McKerron and Margaret Clarke ? They are my 3x great grandparents and i can give you all of their 100 grand children and a couple of thousand of their descendents, also their anscestors. Regards ray