Be sure to visit the churchyard in Auldearn, located behind the Lion Hotel. There are many Mackintosh monuments there. There may be an index of the MI's, but I have not seen one. I have pictures of the monuments for Finlay Mackintosh (and family) and Alexander Mackintosh, but there are many more. There are two churches in Ardclach, but only one has monuments. That is the very picturesque Ardclach Church, on the Findhorn River, in the little valley below the Ardclach Bell Tower. I found 9 Mackintosh monuments there, but there are other monuments that are unreadable, and persons buried there without a monument. The National Library of Scotland has a document where I found more information about my Auldearn and Ardclach Mackintoshes. It was the Lands Valuation Roll, The County of Nairn, for the year 1867-68. For the Parish of Auldearn, it gives the Estate name, Landowner/Proprieter, Name of Occupier, and the yearly rent. Regards, Robert Mackintosh

Hello again Brian, There is a very good website about Nairn at: http://www.visitnairn.com Min Walker minw@ihug.co.nz

Hello Brian, I come from Nairn but now live in New Zealand. The Nairnshire records are kept at the Public Library, Farraline Park at Inverness. The Highland FHS website is helpful is at: http://www.genuki.co.uk/big/scot/Highland.FHS.home.html If this URL does not work try: http://www.genfair.com I hope you have a nice trip to Nairn, it is very central for the Scottish Highlands. I note your surname is Manson. Did you Mansons come from Caithness? Regards, Min Walker minw@ihug.co.nz

> My wife and I will be visiting the Nairn, Auldearn, Ardclach area this > coming mid-September. After a decade of researching my Mackintosh ggg > grandparents (without too much success), we will finally be looking at the > area around Auldearn (Burnside of Lethen, etc.) where the Mackintoshes > lived > from at least 1841 through to 1902. > > Any advice on archives in the area (perhaps only in Aberdeen), parish > churches, cemeteries, accommodations, ... anything, will be more than > welcome. As the county of Nairn is now included in Highland for local government purposes, you would be better starting in Inverness - and it's nearer than Aberdeen! There is a full-time staff genealogist in Inverness Public Library who would probably be a good first point of contact. See http://www.highland.gov.uk/educ/publicservices/genealogy.htm Lots of useful background and pointers at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/NAI/ For hotels etc, the official site is http://www.visitscotland.com/accommodation/ HTH Anne

Hi, These surnames are bricks in my "brick wall." I cannot find the parents of James McArthur (born about 1799 to a Peter McArthur), his wife Elizabeth McIntosh (born about 1800 at Auldearn, whom he married in 1823 at Croy) and his second wife Anne Kennedy (born about 1807 in Inverness, married in 1833 at Croy). James McArthur was the butler at the Holm/Rose Estate from about 1826-1836. Robert and Alexander Rose of Auldearn, Margaret Rose of Brackenhaugh, and David Rose of Holm were witnesses at the christenings of his children with Elizabeth McIntosh. I have posted this family several times, but I keep hoping someone will find a new piece of information that will help. I have been looking for them for 8 years, and my late father looked for about 20! (He even paid a researcher, but was given information that later proved false...) Does anyone recognize them? Thanks, Pat

I have just returned from my very first visit to Scotland and I have never seen such beauty in my lifetime. We stayed in Dallas for a week and traveled down Loch Ness to research family in the Kilmarnock area. The "natives" were outstanding! I shall never forget the experience. Unfortunately, I found that the above-referenced cemetery has fallen victim to vandalism. Although the powers that be have locked up the cemetery, when I visited, teenagers were playing ball against the ruins of the old church. Broken beer bottles everywhere. From what I understand, the church dates to 1658. Is there anything I can do from the US to protect this site? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Sherry Researching: CALDER / LAMB / MACKINTOSH (Nairn) - SALLERS / WILLIAMSON (Ayrshire)

My wife and I will be visiting the Nairn, Auldearn, Ardclach area this coming mid-September. After a decade of researching my Mackintosh ggg grandparents (without too much success), we will finally be looking at the area around Auldearn (Burnside of Lethen, etc.) where the Mackintoshes lived from at least 1841 through to 1902. Any advice on archives in the area (perhaps only in Aberdeen), parish churches, cemeteries, accommodations, ... anything, will be more than welcome. Thank you very much. Brian Manson Edmonton, Alberta Canada

Looking for James Mackintosh (b.c. 1807 Auldearn/Ardclach, son of Arthur Mackintosh and Isabelle MacLean (according to James¹s death certificate in 1902) and Anne Lawson (b.c. 1806 Ardclach, the dau. of James Lawson and Isabelle Kinnaird). They were married in Auldearn in 1827. All census enumerations between 1841 and 1901 have been searched successfully. Anne (Lawson) Mackintosh died in Auldearn in 1871. There were at least 9 children all born in Auldearn between 1830 and 1850 (Anne, Georgina, Mary, Margaret, James, Isabella, Sophia, George, Janet). The family lived at Burnside of Lethen in Auldearn from at least 1841 through to 1901.

Hi there Gang, Any chance that someone might know something of the following McINTOSH's?? Descendants of Angus McINTOSH 1 Angus McINTOSH b: Abt. 1761 in Belmakeith, Nairn, Scotland . +Margaret NAIRN b: 17 March 1764 in Belmakeith, Nairn, Scotland m: 6 June 1786 in Nairn, Scotland Birth Note: Mother not listed 2 Jane McINTOSH b: 20 July 1788 in Belmakeith, Nairn, Nairnshire, Scotland d: 26 January 1874 in Carse of Ardersier, Ardersier, Inverness .. +William ROSE b: Abt. 1784 Occupation: Laborer 2 Margaret McINTOSH b: 6 October 1790 in Delnies, Nairn, Nairn, Scotland d: 17 May 1881 in Clanside, Croy, Nairnshire, Scotland .. +Evan (Euan) KENNEDY b: Bef. 14 March 1785 in Glenbanchor, Inverness, Scotland m: September 1814 in Kingussie, Inverness, Scotland d: 4 January 1862 in Lochend, Croy, Nairnshire, Scotland Occupation: Landowner Regards, Brent SMITH Sydney, Australia

>Hi Scott: > >I'm collecting Grigors and I'm wondering if you have the descendants of >John >Grigor and Jane Shanks (married March 11, 1810, in Birnie, Moray, Scotland) >in your family tree? >Anne >Cape Breton, Canada > Hi Anne, I dont think that they are in my Tree (although they may quite possibly be related). I'm pretty sure that I do have some information on them though, possibly from the Mormon family search website. I'll have a look tonight when I get back from work. Scott

> I have an Isabella Shanks in my tree, the details of which are as > follows: > ISABELLA SHANKS, daughter of > WILLIAM SHANKS and HELEN STEPHEN. This Isabella was one of seven children of William Shanks and Helen Stephen. Her sister Helen Shanks is in my tree because she married Peter Grant, widower of my first cousin four times removed, Janet Cruickshank, who was born at Shougle in Birnie. If anyone wants more details on Helen's family, e-mail me off-list. Anne

Hi Scott, I have an Isabella Shanks in my tree, the details of which are as follows: WILLIAM CAMERON (my g.grandfather’s brother) was born 1 October 1821 in St Andrews-Lhanbryde, Moray, Scotland, and died 3 August 1905 at 22, Culbard Street,Elgin,Moray,Scotland. He married ISABELLA SHANKS, daughter of WILLIAM SHANKS and HELEN STEPHEN. She was born 3 August 1815 in Birnie,Elgin,Moray,Scotland, and died 6 May 1896 in Longhill,Urquhart,Moray,Scotland. Notes for WILLIAM CAMERON: Shown as a Crofter on death certificate. Libindx shows lived at Longhill,crofter of 6 acres and parent of James Cameron. 1881 census shows William and Isabella living at Longhill, Urquhart with daughter Isabella employed as a dressmaker, Alexander Cameron, Grandson,11 years old and Peter Cameron,Grandson,4 months old . Burial: Urquhart Churchyard, Moray, Scotland Notes for ISABELLA SHANKS: Christening: 13 August 1815, Birnie,Elgin,Moray,Scotland Burial: Urquhart Churchyard, Moray, Scotland Children of WILLIAM CAMERON and ISABELLA SHANKS are: i. JAMES3 CAMERON. ii. WILLIAM CAMERON, b. Abt. 1844; d. 20 May 1930, Longhill,Urquhart,Moray,Scotland. iii. JOHN CAMERON, b. 28 April 1853, Urquhart, Moray, Scotland. Notes for JOHN CAMERON: Christening: 28 May 1853, Urquhart, Moray, Scotland iv. ISABELLA CAMERON, b. 20 June 1855, Urquhart,Elgin, Moray, Scotland. I also have a jpeg of their memorial stone in Urquhart Cemetery which I could send you direct if you're interested. Hope this helps, Ian Cameron

Hello Scott You wrote > I'm primarily looking into the Shanks family arround Elgin/ Duffus/Birnie Can you give me a couple of names/dates? I have amassed quite a lot of Shanks information in that area in the course of investigating Cruickshanks in the same parishes, and if you have a match I can probably let you have quite a lot of information. > I'm sure I read in one of the archived posts about a project to list all > > the monument and grave stone inscriptions in Moray? Is this project still > ongoing? There are two such projects, one complete and one not complete. In 1978/9 Moray District Council employed a team under the Manpower Services scheme to list all the legible inscriptions in all the graveyards in the District. The results of that are online at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp The Aberdeen and North East Scotland Family History Society has an ongoing project to research, record and publish all the inscriptions in the North-East of Scotland. This will produce a more up-to-date, and probably more accurate and comprehensive, resource, but it has a long way to go. The results so far are indexed at http://www.abdn.net/mi-index/ HTH Anne

Hi all, My name is Scott Shanks, originally from Elgin, but now living down in Glasgow. Im a new to the list and thought that I'd see if anyone else is researching any of the same Surnames? I'm primarily looking into the Shanks family arround Elgin/ Duffus/Birnie, but also Williamsons, Hutchesons in the Duffus area, Chisholms and Duncans. I'm sure I read in one of the archived posts about a project to list all the monument and grave stone inscriptions in Moray? Is this project still ongoing? Which church yards have been done so far? I'd be especially intrested in inscriptions from Duffus or Spynie church yard. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes Scott

Hi folks, As ever, wise counsel from Anne! I don't know any other member of this list, other than perhaps Graeme from Moray Council, with such a comprehensive knowledge of Moray. As Anne said, Moray and Sutherland were always separate counties. However the Sutherland family in its various branches started its life in Moray at Duffus and indeed the various parts of the Duffus family owned estates in both Moray and Sutherland. Kenneth, Lord Duffus was the only leading Sutherland who supported the Jacobites (1715) and was exiled for his troubles and the title wasn't restored for 2 generations but the lands in Moray and around Skelbo, just a couple of miles north of Dornoch in Sutherland remained in the family or its junior branches like the Dunbars through much of the 19th century, so the family could have been retainers of the Duffus family and hence links with both sides of the Moray Firth. An alternative which may be possible! Lord Strathcona and Mount Royal (who with his first cousin Lord Mount Stephen were the driving force behind the Canadian Pacific Railway) was a nephew of John Stuart, the great explorer in Canada after whom the river was called. The family was from Knockando and area but numerous members of the family (of which I am also part through my Smith great great grandmother) worked for the Hudson Bay Company of which Donald Alexander Smith, Lord Strathcona and Mount Royal was the last Governor General. Linking on to some mails I saw the other day about WWI, it partly explains why so many Morayshire men, like brothers of my great grandfather (half-Smiths) fought in Canadian regiments during WWI. I know from the stories my grandfather told me as a small boy that the north-east of Canada seemed to have some form of magnetic attraction for the family (and a great deal of its money) but I have not checked to see if Charles is a member of that branch of the family, John Stuart being the brother of Lord Strathcona's mother, Barbara Stuart. Just an idea! Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Director: Czech Match Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: (0044)1862 871877 Mobile: 07765 272815 e-mail: info@czechmatch.co.uk website: www.czechmatch.co.uk "Bringing Two Worlds Together" -----Original Message----- From: Anne Burgess [mailto:anne.burgess@btinternet.com] Sent: 23 May 2005 10:13 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MORAY] Family of Charles Stuart > Need help finding parents of Charles Stuart, b. 1806 in "Sutherland > > Shire," according to his handwritten obit. Question: Did parts of > Morayshire ever belong to Sutherlandshire? No, absolutely not. But it is quite possible that Charles' father moved from Moray to Sutherland, or even that his uncle John moved from Sutherland to Moray (though in that case he isn't so likely to name Moray as his county of origin) or even that Charles' grandparents moved so that one son was born in Moray and another in Sutherland. > Charles left Scotland for Nova Scotia in 1816 at age of 10 to live > with father's brother, John Stuart, who was listed as being from > "parish of Plymouth, county of Moray." Someone has suggested > that Plymouth is most likely Speymouth. Sounds plausible. They would sound pretty similar to the ear of whoever was collecting the information for whatever document you found that in. In the late 18th and early 19th century Speymouth was the centre of a major shipbuilding industry. Timber from the forests around Rothiemurchus was floated down the River Spey to the mouth of the Spey at Kingston, where it was used to build wooden vessels. > Other family names are Mary, May, Alexander. Not very useful as they are all pretty common (May is usually short for Marjory) > Am I even asking the right questions? Yes. But whether the answer exists at all is another matter. What you neef to do is search the IGI at www.familysearch.org to see if you can find a John Stewart or Stuart born in the late 18th century in Speymouth with a brother born in Sutherland. A long job, but I don't see any short cut, I'm afraid. Even then, you could not be sure you have the right man. If you have dates of death you could try http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp just in case there was a death notice in one of the local papers in Moray. HTH Anne ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Scott: I'm collecting Grigors and I'm wondering if you have the descendants of John Grigor and Jane Shanks (married March 11, 1810, in Birnie, Moray, Scotland) in your family tree? I realize you asked something entirely different of the list, but the surname "Shanks" caught my eye. Thanks! Anne Cape Breton, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Scott Shanks [mailto:scottshanks01@msn.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:44 PM To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MORAY] Moray Surnames: Shanks, Chisholm, Williamson, Hutcheson, Duncan Hi all, My name is Scott Shanks, originally from Elgin, but now living down in Glasgow. Im a new to the list and thought that I'd see if anyone else is researching any of the same Surnames? I'm primarily looking into the Shanks family arround Elgin/ Duffus/Birnie, but also Williamsons, Hutchesons in the Duffus area, Chisholms and Duncans. I'm sure I read in one of the archived posts about a project to list all the monument and grave stone inscriptions in Moray? Is this project still ongoing? Which church yards have been done so far? I'd be especially intrested in inscriptions from Duffus or Spynie church yard. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes Scott ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing list Admin. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Laura, At last a Mackintosh has a mention, I was Mc.Intosh prior to marriage, father, Charles David, Grandfather Alexander from Auldearn was married to Janet Munroe both father and son were old Seaforth Highlanders. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Lovett" <lelovett@earthlink.net> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Mackintosh & Rose > > Yes, Alexander Mackintosh of the Kyllachy family (factor to Mackintosh; died > 15 Jan 1798), married Janet, daughter of Hugh Rose of Holm. > > Their children were > Alexander (died in India) > High (died in West Indies) > Robert bap at Meikle Geddes 28 Feb 1768 > Margaret bap 3 July 1759 > > > Any help? > Laura > > > > > > > Hello > > I'm looking for any information about James Reid born abt 1750 & his wife > > Ann Rose born abt 1753 we think they were > > born in the Morayshire area. > > Thank you > > John Reid. > > > > Surnames: Rose, Mackintosh, - just east of Culloden AND also near Tomatin > > > > > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1287.1 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > John, > > Not much to go on, however there is a Rose "Home" along the River Findhorn > > about midway between Nairn and Inverness cities. > > > > I also recall from about 30 years back being at the Rose Family Castle - I > > don't recall the name of it unfortunately - about 1 to 2 hours (max) south > > of Inverness along Hwy A9 - it may likely have been near Tomatin because my > > family were Tailors by Trade at one point on the Rose Estate, and those > > tailors were trained (apprenticed) by their Uncle Donald Mackintosh at or > > near the Town of Tomatin. > > > > Somewhere around 1800 (??) I believe that a Mackintosh married a Rose > > daughter (wow! some step up for him) and you may be able to pick up the > > lineage somewhere in that era. > > > > Hope this helps a bit. > > Ron Mann > > > > > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender > > of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > > > Acintosh & Rose > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Anne Burgess's reply to Susan Cox : >> Other family names are Mary, May, Alexander. > Not very useful as they are all pretty common > (May is usually short for Marjory) Hi Susan There are some other names you might take into account when searching: May is also a Pet Name for Mary and Molly. Marjory can be spelt Margery and Marjorie. See www.whatinaname.net [sorry for the self-publicity!] Ray Hennessy

> Need help finding parents of Charles Stuart, b. 1806 in "Sutherland > > Shire," according to his handwritten obit. Question: Did parts of > Morayshire ever belong to Sutherlandshire? No, absolutely not. But it is quite possible that Charles' father moved from Moray to Sutherland, or even that his uncle John moved from Sutherland to Moray (though in that case he isn't so likely to name Moray as his county of origin) or even that Charles' grandparents moved so that one son was born in Moray and another in Sutherland. > Charles left Scotland for Nova Scotia in 1816 at age of 10 to live > with father's brother, John Stuart, who was listed as being from > "parish of Plymouth, county of Moray." Someone has suggested > that Plymouth is most likely Speymouth. Sounds plausible. They would sound pretty similar to the ear of whoever was collecting the information for whatever document you found that in. In the late 18th and early 19th century Speymouth was the centre of a major shipbuilding industry. Timber from the forests around Rothiemurchus was floated down the River Spey to the mouth of the Spey at Kingston, where it was used to build wooden vessels. > Other family names are Mary, May, Alexander. Not very useful as they are all pretty common (May is usually short for Marjory) > Am I even asking the right questions? Yes. But whether the answer exists at all is another matter. What you neef to do is search the IGI at www.familysearch.org to see if you can find a John Stewart or Stuart born in the late 18th century in Speymouth with a brother born in Sutherland. A long job, but I don't see any short cut, I'm afraid. Even then, you could not be sure you have the right man. If you have dates of death you could try http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp just in case there was a death notice in one of the local papers in Moray. HTH Anne

Yes, Alexander Mackintosh of the Kyllachy family (factor to Mackintosh; died 15 Jan 1798), married Janet, daughter of Hugh Rose of Holm. Their children were Alexander (died in India) High (died in West Indies) Robert bap at Meikle Geddes 28 Feb 1768 Margaret bap 3 July 1759 Any help? Laura > Hello > I'm looking for any information about James Reid born abt 1750 & his wife > Ann Rose born abt 1753 we think they were > born in the Morayshire area. > Thank you > John Reid. > > Surnames: Rose, Mackintosh, - just east of Culloden AND also near Tomatin > > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1287.1 > > Message Board Post: > > John, > Not much to go on, however there is a Rose "Home" along the River Findhorn > about midway between Nairn and Inverness cities. > > I also recall from about 30 years back being at the Rose Family Castle - I > don't recall the name of it unfortunately - about 1 to 2 hours (max) south > of Inverness along Hwy A9 - it may likely have been near Tomatin because my > family were Tailors by Trade at one point on the Rose Estate, and those > tailors were trained (apprenticed) by their Uncle Donald Mackintosh at or > near the Town of Tomatin. > > Somewhere around 1800 (??) I believe that a Mackintosh married a Rose > daughter (wow! some step up for him) and you may be able to pick up the > lineage somewhere in that era. > > Hope this helps a bit. > Ron Mann > > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > " Reply All " ........Please, please, please, when replying to a posted > message make sure that the reply is sent to the list and not just the sender > of the message. This is done by clicking " Reply All " Thank you ;-) > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ------ End of Forwarded Message > Acintosh & Rose