Hi Stewart Good to hear from you again. This would be a recent Gammie you are after? Shalom Chris -----Original Message----- From: Braehead [mailto:braehead@telus.net] Sent: Monday, 30 May 2005 8:31 To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: GAMMIE Court Case Hi Listers : I am researching a case of theft by the Postmaster of Nairn between 1949 & 1954. James S.S.GAMMIE who apparently was accused of the theft of petrol from the Post Office garage. The case, I think, was tried in the court in Inverness. Can anyone help me to obtain a transcript of the trial ? or point my nose in the right direction for information on this case ? Thanks. Stewart ______________________________

Hi again everyone. Looking for someone with access to the 1861 Census for Aberlour or Mortlach. I’m looking at a death extract in the Parish of Aberlour for John Innes who died on the 15 July 1863. He was married to Ann Forbes and died at the age of 59. It shows as the place of death as Sockach but we have determined that Sockash is in Mortlach. He was born on the 1 Jan.1805 in Inveravon. Any information would be greatly appreciated. William in Montreal

Anne : Thank you for your suggestion I will give it a try. I was hoping I would hear from you on this as I have followed a great number of your msges on this site, most of which I have saved to my Hard Drive as they are always so informative. So there is a huge thank you to you on this count as well as helping me on finding info on this court case. Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Burgess To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] GAMMIE Court Case > I am researching a case of theft by the Postmaster of Nairn between 1949 & > 1954. > James S.S.GAMMIE who apparently was accused of the theft of petrol from > the > Post Office garage. The case, I think, was tried in the court in > Inverness. > Can anyone help me to obtain a transcript of the trial ? or point my nose > in > the right direction for information on this case ? Thanks. Hi Stewart What about an e-mail to the genealogist at Inverness Library? genealogy@highland.gov.uk Anne

> I am researching a case of theft by the Postmaster of Nairn between 1949 & > 1954. > James S.S.GAMMIE who apparently was accused of the theft of petrol from > the > Post Office garage. The case, I think, was tried in the court in > Inverness. > Can anyone help me to obtain a transcript of the trial ? or point my nose > in > the right direction for information on this case ? Thanks. Hi Stewart What about an e-mail to the genealogist at Inverness Library? genealogy@highland.gov.uk Anne

> > Hi Karen I see you have lots of McDonald's & Grants. My gggrandparents are John McDonald & Janet Grant, married in Inverness. In Apr 1841 John McDonald emigrated to Nelson, NZ on the Whitby, one of the preliminary ships with the surveyors to lay out Nelson prior to the emigrants arriving in the new year. John's wife, Janet (Grant) McDonald and their son, William(10yrs) sailed in Sept 1841 on the Bolton along with all the other wives & children or the preliminary men, to arrive in Nelson Mch 1842. Along the way, there were 65 children to die. On the Whitby with John was a George McDonald who we assume could be a brother or relative, their embarkation & disembarkation numbers running consecutively, although nothing proven as yet. George's wife, Euphemia & their 14mth old son, Ronald sailed on the Bolton with Janet, with Ronald one of the 65 children to die. Johns died in 1852 aged 42yrs according to his death cert, which gives his birth at approx 1810, but it doesnt list his parents. Janet's died in 1884, aged 80yrs according to her death cert, and her parents are listed as John Grant & Janet Grant, although it doesnt list her maiden name so we are not sure as yet whether Grant is her mothers maiden name as well or not. This is our brickwall we have been trying to get through in the last 12mths so would appreciate any help or suggestions you might have. Kind regards from down under in Auckland, NZ Heather(MacDonald) Higgins > On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:06:01 +0100 (BST), karen donald > <karenadona@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi Marnie >> >> I have a load of Calders buried in Inverallan too.Any >> idea of Jane Grants parents. Have lots of them as >> weel!!Along with McDonalds and Cruickshanks. All same >> area. >> >> Karen Donald > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005 >

Not my Jane Grant. She married James McKenzie in Ardclach 1856 and her parents were Lachlan Grant and Jane Walker. Judy....Perth. W. Australia on 28/5/05 7:52 PM, Barbara at blacksheep21@optusnet.com.au wrote: > I have a Jane Grant who married a James Farquharson in Banffshire. Any > matches to mine??? No idea of my Janes parents either. > Barbara > > > > > > > >

Hi Listers : I am researching a case of theft by the Postmaster of Nairn between 1949 & 1954. James S.S.GAMMIE who apparently was accused of the theft of petrol from the Post Office garage. The case, I think, was tried in the court in Inverness. Can anyone help me to obtain a transcript of the trial ? or point my nose in the right direction for information on this case ? Thanks. Stewart

Dear Anne, Many thanks for your very complete and interesting answer. I have some addresses for my relations from Nairn so i will follow up. Best regards Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Burnside of Lethen, Auldearn, 1906-1910 >> I have not heard of Valuation Rolls before. What are they and what >> information is held in them? > > Valuation Rolls were compiled regularly in order to assess how much people > should pay in rates, which were the principal means of raising the funds > for local authorities (cities, counties and burghs). > > The valuation rolls used to list every building, and every subdivision of > the buildings, with the name of the proprietor, tenant and occupier, and > the 'rateable value'. > > So for example you might look up a shepherd's cottage, and find that it > was owned by the Earl of Seafield, that the tenant was say James Leslie > and the occupier John Smith. This tells you that James Leslie rented the > cottage, presumably as part of a farm, from the Earl of Seafield, and that > the cottage was used by his employee or dependant John Smith. > > The VRs were compiled afresh every year, so they are a means of tracking > where people lived over a period of time. > > They don't tell you who else lived in the dwelling, or what their > occupations were. > > They are also a pointer the the landowner, which helps because you then > know which estate records you want to look for. > > They aren't indexed as a rule, and are arranged by address within parishes > or burghs, so you do need to know where the house you are interested in > was, or be prepared for a long search. > > They are a bit patchy until the 19th century, but from the mid 19th > century until the late 20th century you should be able, in theory, to get > hold of an unbroken set of VRs for all of the UK. > > To find them, you need to know which modern local authority covers the > area you are interested in, because in general the VRS are likely to be in > teh archives of the local authority which now deals with most of the old > county or burgh to which they refer. > > Unfortunately in the late 20th (I forget the exact year but it was in the > 1980s) the rating system was abolished and replaced by the short-lived and > unpopular community charge, which in turn was replaced by 'council tax' > and the registers kept for these purposes are not nearly as informative. > > HTH > > Anne > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > MORAY OPR's. The OPR's for the Moray area are now starting to be > transcribed and volunteers are needed. Would anyone interested in > transcribing the OPR's for our area please contact me via my usual email > address or visit the Moray Rootsweb pages and contact me via the mailing > list Admin. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

I have a Jane Grant who married a James Farquharson in Banffshire. Any matches to mine??? No idea of my Janes parents either. Barbara On Tue, 3 May 2005 16:06:01 +0100 (BST), karen donald <karenadona@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Marnie > > I have a load of Calders buried in Inverallan too.Any > idea of Jane Grants parents. Have lots of them as > weel!!Along with McDonalds and Cruickshanks. All same > area. > > Karen Donald -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005

Dear Anne, Can you help please? I have not heard of Valuation Rolls before. What are they and what information is held in them? Best regards Peter Ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Burgess" <anne.burgess@btinternet.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Burnside of Lethen, Auldearn, 1906-1910 >> With the death of James Mackintosh (ggg grandfather) in 1902 at the age >> of >> 97, the descendants here in Western Canada had assumed that there was no >> family left living at Brunside of Lethen, Auldearn. The family had lived >> there from at least the 1841 through the 1901 census. >> However, we just made a recent discovery of old postcards (unsigned, cut >> dated 1906 to 1908) from family (?) at that address. >> Does anyone know of any way to check as to who was living at that address >> during that period? > > The Valuation Roll will record the name of the head of the household for > each year at that time. However I don't know where the Nairn Valuation > Rolls might be. I would start by asking the genealogy section of Inverness > Library genealogy@highland.gov.uk > > HTH > > Anne > > > ==== MORAY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget that if you delete a message, you can always visit the > archives of this list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MORAY/. The > archives are also worth looking at, whether you be a new or established > lister. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

> I have not heard of Valuation Rolls before. What are they and what > information is held in them? Valuation Rolls were compiled regularly in order to assess how much people should pay in rates, which were the principal means of raising the funds for local authorities (cities, counties and burghs). The valuation rolls used to list every building, and every subdivision of the buildings, with the name of the proprietor, tenant and occupier, and the 'rateable value'. So for example you might look up a shepherd's cottage, and find that it was owned by the Earl of Seafield, that the tenant was say James Leslie and the occupier John Smith. This tells you that James Leslie rented the cottage, presumably as part of a farm, from the Earl of Seafield, and that the cottage was used by his employee or dependant John Smith. The VRs were compiled afresh every year, so they are a means of tracking where people lived over a period of time. They don't tell you who else lived in the dwelling, or what their occupations were. They are also a pointer the the landowner, which helps because you then know which estate records you want to look for. They aren't indexed as a rule, and are arranged by address within parishes or burghs, so you do need to know where the house you are interested in was, or be prepared for a long search. They are a bit patchy until the 19th century, but from the mid 19th century until the late 20th century you should be able, in theory, to get hold of an unbroken set of VRs for all of the UK. To find them, you need to know which modern local authority covers the area you are interested in, because in general the VRS are likely to be in teh archives of the local authority which now deals with most of the old county or burgh to which they refer. Unfortunately in the late 20th (I forget the exact year but it was in the 1980s) the rating system was abolished and replaced by the short-lived and unpopular community charge, which in turn was replaced by 'council tax' and the registers kept for these purposes are not nearly as informative. HTH Anne

> With the death of James Mackintosh (ggg grandfather) in 1902 at the age of > 97, the descendants here in Western Canada had assumed that there was no > family left living at Brunside of Lethen, Auldearn. The family had lived > there from at least the 1841 through the 1901 census. > However, we just made a recent discovery of old postcards (unsigned, cut > dated 1906 to 1908) from family (?) at that address. > Does anyone know of any way to check as to who was living at that address > during that period? The Valuation Roll will record the name of the head of the household for each year at that time. However I don't know where the Nairn Valuation Rolls might be. I would start by asking the genealogy section of Inverness Library genealogy@highland.gov.uk HTH Anne

Hi Brian This information should be in the Valuation Roll and an e-mail to Graeme Wilson at the Moray Heritage Centre might give you the answer. Graeme is extremely helpful and if he has the information you will get it from him. Unfortunately Grant Lodge is closed and the Heritage Centre awaits a new home so it is functioning from an area of the Elgin Library with limited facilities. You can contact Graeme at _graeme.wilson@moray.gov.uk_ (mailto:graeme.wilson@moray.gov.uk) Ian A C Scott

With the death of James Mackintosh (ggg grandfather) in 1902 at the age of 97, the descendants here in Western Canada had assumed that there was no family left living at Brunside of Lethen, Auldearn. The family had lived there from at least the 1841 through the 1901 census. However, we just made a recent discovery of old postcards (unsigned, cut dated 1906 to 1908) from family (?) at that address. Does anyone know of any way to check as to who was living at that address during that period? Brian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1289 Message Board Post: Hi I'm looking for any information about this Forsyth Family. John Forsyth b ?? married Agnes Winster?? b ?? Thier children were. James b abt 03 April 1782 at Urquhart Moray,Scotland. Elspeth b abt 24 July 1785 at Urquhart,Moray.Scotland. Isabella b abt Oct 01 1790. at Urquhart,Moray Scotland Married Aug. 1806 to James Reid.she died 22 March 1875 Jean b abt 10 May 1793 at Urquhart,Moray,Scotland Margret b abt 07 April 1794 at Urquhart,Moray,Scotland. Ann b abt 29 May 1797 at Urquhart Moray,Scotland Elizabeth b abt 26 April 1799 at Urquhart.Moray,Scotland John b abt 19 May 1801 at Urquhart,Moray Scotland Any help on Marrages or deaths greatly appreciated John Reid

Hi Holly, I do not think there is a published list of the MIs in the Ardclach churchyard. A few years ago, I wrote to the Highland Family History Society and was told that there was a private list and they made a search for me, but my Mackintosh must have been buried without a monument. I am sure that he was buried there, as it was so stated on the death register. I have one photo of a Mary Mackintosh monument. She was the wife of Donald McQueen, carpenter of Dunearn. She died 18 March 1680. Robert Robert Mackintosh wrote: > > There are two churches in Ardclach, but only one has monuments. That > is the very picturesque Ardclach Church, on the Findhorn River, in the > little valley below the Ardclach Bell Tower. I found 9 Mackintosh > monuments there, but there are other monuments that are unreadable, and > persons buried there without a monument. Robert, Do you know of any published listing of the Ardclach monuments? We have McQueens and Mitchells from Ardclach, early to mid-1800's, I am very interested to hear that there is a cemetery there. Holly East Bangor, PA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mackintosh Rose Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/BgC.2ACI/1287.1.2.2 Message Board Post: Ann, Ah but I'm getting wee bit auld when in confusion I write "River Findhorn" where belongs the "River Nairn". I am pleased to be re-apprised of the name of the Rose Manor - Thanks for the info Ann! Regards, Ron

Thank you, I have been advised to contact them for other information, also. I need to get to that. Are you the Macgillivray, or your husband? We are looking for the parents of an Elizabeth Mitchell, and currently trying to find more information on David Mitchell and Margaret Cumming of Edinkillie and Ardclach. They had a son David who I think married Jane McGillivray on 15 Jun 1832. David was a blacksmith in Fornighty in the 1841 census. Would this possibly be any connection with you? Holly > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Macgillivray [mailto:providence@paintitrussian.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:51 AM > To: 'Mert & Holly Kilpatrick'; MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [MORAY] Re: Auldearn visit in September > > I have seen a list of inscriptions of Ardclach monumental inscriptions in > Inverness archives, Farraline Library. I think it was a Gift / Donation > holding. Good luck, Jane > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mert & Holly Kilpatrick [mailto:kilpatrk@epix.net] > Sent: 26 May 2005 03:35 > To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [MORAY] Re: Auldearn visit in September > > Robert Mackintosh wrote: > > > > There are two churches in Ardclach, but only one has monuments. That > > is the very picturesque Ardclach Church, on the Findhorn River, in the > > little valley below the Ardclach Bell Tower. I found 9 Mackintosh > > monuments there, but there are other monuments that are unreadable, and > > persons buried there without a monument. > > Robert, Do you know of any published listing of the Ardclach monuments? > We > have McQueens and Mitchells from Ardclach, early to mid-1800's, I am very > interested to hear that there is a cemetery there. > > Holly > East Bangor, PA

Robert Mackintosh wrote: > > There are two churches in Ardclach, but only one has monuments. That > is the very picturesque Ardclach Church, on the Findhorn River, in the > little valley below the Ardclach Bell Tower. I found 9 Mackintosh > monuments there, but there are other monuments that are unreadable, and > persons buried there without a monument. Robert, Do you know of any published listing of the Ardclach monuments? We have McQueens and Mitchells from Ardclach, early to mid-1800's, I am very interested to hear that there is a cemetery there. Holly East Bangor, PA

Hi Ian Thanks for your reply, and the information on Isabella! I'd love to see the picture of their memorial stone. My g.g.g.g. grandfather was William Shanks, married to Helen Stephen. My family are decended from their son Alexander Shanks (1809-1848) who married Jane Hutcheson (1813-1855) in 1838/1839. I've only just found a record of Alexanders death on the Moray Council Libdnx, and infact I originally thought he was decended from another Shanks family from Duffus! I'm hoping to go up to Elgin this weekend and have a look at records they have at Elgin Library. Off to delete about 100 names from my genesreunited tree!..and hopefully add a few more on too. Best wishes Scott