> Where is Christmas dinner? I look forward to this topic every > year. You > must all be dining elsewhere or have solved all of your family > mysteries :-) No contest this year. It has to be my distant relative Joseph Duncan. He was born in 1821 in Birnie, and left the area when he grew up, losing touch with his family in the process. His siblings scattered; sister Elspet to found a dynasty in New Zealand, brother James to North America, and brother William to London, though three sisters married and remained in Moray, and brother Robert went to Ross-shire before retunring to Moray. William developed the habit of sending the London papers to his sisters, and in 1891 one sister was reading the big scandal of the time, when something struck her. The name of the man involved was Leslie Fraser Duncan. "My mother's maiden name was Fraser, and my grandmother's was Leslie", she mused. "I wonder??" So she wrote to William, and on reading her letter he leapt on to his horse, rode round to the man's fashionable London house and knocked on the door. A manservant answered. "Is your master at home?", enquired William. "No, sir". "Can you tell me where he is from?" "Yes, sir. He was born in a place called Birnie in the north of Scotland", replied the manservant. Lo and behold, this was indeed long-lost brother Joseph! He had made his way to London and for forty years had been the proprietor and editor of the 'Matrimonial News', a sort of Victorian dating agency for the upper crust, and had hit the headlines because he was successfully sued for breach of promise of marriage, at the age of 70, by a 21-year-old girl! The tale of the case, as recounted in the 'Times', rivals any modern soap opera, and involves much intrigue and dubious behaviour, bankruptcy, concealment of assets, hiding abroad, safe deposit boxes, people with assumed names, absent vicars, cheap hotel rooms and much else besides. Joseph, or Leslie Fraser, married four times, his last wife being the daughter of a lord. He married her in the middle of the court case, and by the time the girl was awarded £10,000 damages he had given all his assets to his wife, handed his business over to a stepson (his third wife's son), and was bankrupted. There was also some intriguingly dubious information about the girl and her family. He had no children by any of his wives, but the 'Times' hints at several illegitimate children. Ten years after this furore had died down, a Leslie Fraser Duncan was cited as co-respondent in a divorce case. As there is no other person of this name in any records up to that date, I have to conclude it is the same one. At the tender age of 80. So I would like to have Christmas dinner with Joseph Leslie Fraser Duncan, and to get him to tell me all about his life, no holds barred, which I am sure would be more than fascinating. Anne

Hi Bev Just off to my folks in Newcastle on Tyne for the Christmas! Just came across your e mail. I have Hays three small families from the Moray area c 1840, Riachs all over Moray but mostly in Rothes around 1780's onwards Will be in touch when I get back Merry Christmas to all Dave ----- Original Message ---- From: Beverley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 23 December, 2007 1:43:41 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] No Christmas dinner this year?? Yes Sherry I agree with you, I am sitting here in Oz waiting for someone to post something about my mob, Hay, Riach, Ogilvie, Watson. I am not getting very far but wait and read all the postings every day hoping someone somewhere is looking for the same families. Merry Christmas all! and I too thank you for all your information and help that you share around. Bev > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christmas dinner is here in Waterloo Ontario Canada. Have not solved all the mysteries, that is for sure, and I have a couple of real big ones, but I plan to wait until the New Year to post them - give myself a chance to just hang with mine own immediate family:) Joining up with Rootsweb, by the way, has been a huge boost.. .learning tons. Merry Christmas to all. Cam Sherry Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: Where is Christmas dinner? I look forward to this topic every year. You must all be dining elsewhere or have solved all of your family mysteries :-) Merry Christmas to all on this list and I sincerely thank you for your invaluable contributions! Sherry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where is Christmas dinner? I look forward to this topic every year. You must all be dining elsewhere or have solved all of your family mysteries :-) Merry Christmas to all on this list and I sincerely thank you for your invaluable contributions! Sherry

WELL........you could come here if you'd like, if too many arrive you may need a sleeping bag.....lots of food though, and BYOB........LOL, Merry Christmas to all and Best wishes for all good things in 2008, especially searching.......Goldie, Kamloops, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Williamson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: [MORAY] No Christmas dinner this year?? > Where is Christmas dinner? I look forward to this topic every year. You > must all be dining elsewhere or have solved all of your family mysteries > :-) > > Merry Christmas to all on this list and I sincerely thank you for your > invaluable contributions! > > Sherry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: philatelist Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2297.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Jennie, but I am unsure that it helps. I am fairly certain that my Jane Smith's parents were a John Smith and a Jessie (Janet) Anderson, as shown on her 1897 death registration. I am also fairly sure, although it is still an assumption, that her mother was the daughter of a James Anderson and an Isobel Adamson, although on Jane Smith's 1861 census, Isobel is shown as her niece, rather than grand daughter. However, I have no clue yet as to who John Smith might be, or how I might be able to find out. Bob Shepherd, Erin, Ontario, Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jennieperrysmith Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2297.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James Smith b.28 Feb 1808 married Margaret or Marjory Anderson b. 22 Jan 1807. Marriage 21 December 1832 in Elgin. He was a builder and mason. Their tombstone is in Elgin Cathedral. They had eight children. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jennieperrysmith Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2297.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James Smith b.28 Feb 1808 married Margaret or Marjory Anderson b. 22 Jan 1807. Marriage 21 December 1832 in Elgin. He was a builder and mason. Their tombstone is in Elgin Cathedral. They had eight children. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: julieb611 Surnames: MacKenzie, Smith, Ferguson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2305.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just an update on this family saga. I have contacted the Scotland Police Archives and was given the information below via email from the lady there on Alexander McKenzie: Email One "Thank you for your e-mail and apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I've searched the index of police personnel records and have found one Alexander MacKenzie who was born c.1857 in Langside, Aberdeen. He joined the Glasgow police force in 1876, age 19 (ref SR22/55/9 No.144)." Email Two "The record doesn't give details of parents or spouses names, but I have looked at the application and I'm not sure if it is the right one. The following information may mean more to you than me: Previous trade is described as 'Lunatic Attendant' Appointed constable 5 September 1876 Dismissed from the service 4 June 1877 He is described as single with no children He is resident at 30 John Knox St. The information below is on his Marriage certificate to Penuel Smith: Marriage Registration: Groom: Alexander MacKenzie, 21 yrs, bachelor, police constable Groom's Address: 61 Duke St, Glasgow Groom's Father: James Mackenzie, gamekeeper Groom's Mother: Jessie Mackenzie, m.s. Ferguson Bride: Penuel Smith, 22 yrs, spinster, asylum attendant Bride's Address: Pluscarden, Elgin Bride's Father: John Smith, farmer Bride's Mother: Mary Smith, m.s. Russell Date & Place: March 23, 1877 at 70 Bell Street, Glasgow, by declaration in *can't read* of Alexander Allan Andrew, Lieutenant of Police and William Fairbairn Russell, Commission Merchant. Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Lanarkshire, dated Mary 23, 1877 Registered: February 21, 1878 at Glasgow Note added: In respect of the non-attendance of the parties their names (bride & groom) have been inserted in Column 2 by the registrar I am still at a loss as to what happened to Alexander Mackenzie. You advised me in previous postings that Penuel Smith had in 1877 an Application for Poor relief to parish of Elgin - MF D EL4 (GRC archives - ZPEL A5/6 p148 no337b). I also have confirmed that the Penuel Smith that came to Australia in 1878 is in fact the same person who remarried in 1880 here in Australia. I tried to find a birth certificate in Scotspeople but there were so many Elizabeth Mackenzie's that after trying 4 I ran out of credit. So I will try again after Xmas to look for more. If the Alexander McKenzie in the 1881 Census listed as under gamekeeper is the same one then I can only assume they separated or something and Penuel left for Australia. I dont know where else to try to find any information out as I am a dead end here. On all things I have found so far none of the ages for Alexander are the same, it is like he changed it to suit things even though it only varies a couple of years. Any help would be great. Thanks Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Are you sure of the spelling of the surname? I have the surname Gillies in my tree as my late wife's sister was married to a Gillies from Skye but my research only goes back as far as about 1870 IACS

searching john 1 from the isle of skye scotland b.1770. need information about his parents pior to 1770. he married a catherine gillis 1797 on skye.they setteled in orwell cove pei ca.1803.

My grandmother was a Barbara Hay, but, looking at the other mail that relates to this thread, the area under consideration is much further to the west. Melvyn. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti Sent: 06 December 2007 18:02 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills And who may I ask, was your Grandmother? Silllyearn had an Innes on it at one point....Crannoch had other Inneses, though not mine. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melvyn Hunter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills > Dear Dorothy, > > Not sure exactly where you are, but my great-grandmother was both at the > Crannoch and earlier ancestors lived and worked at Limehillocks: both are > in > the Sillyearn region to the north and east of Grange in Banffshire (as > was). > If you find Portsoy on a map and go due south until you are east of Keith, > then you are right in the middle of the area. > Hope this helps. > > Melvyn. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Pollard > Sent: 05 December 2007 19:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills > > On their OPR marriage record for Cromdale and Inverallan, Donald > Cruickshank is listed as of Easter Crannich and his bride Sarah > Davidson is listed as of Waster Limekills. Both Crannich and > Limekills are rather faint, but I think I have copied them correctly, > but am certainly open to correction. I have looked on Old Maps but > have been unable to find either. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: > 05/12/2007 > 08:41 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: > 05/12/2007 > 08:41 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 07/12/2007 13:11 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 07/12/2007 13:11

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scatchpole12 Surnames: Hill Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2316/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for any descendants of Beatrice and Charles Robert Hill both deceased. Believed to have lived in the Moray area. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I see that now........Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melvyn Hunter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills > My grandmother was a Barbara Hay, but, looking at the other mail that > relates to this thread, the area under consideration is much further to > the > west. > > Melvyn. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Goldie & Lido Doratti > Sent: 06 December 2007 18:02 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills > > And who may I ask, was your Grandmother? Silllyearn had an Innes on it at > one point....Crannoch had other Inneses, though not mine. Goldie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melvyn Hunter" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:03 PM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills > > >> Dear Dorothy, >> >> Not sure exactly where you are, but my great-grandmother was both at the >> Crannoch and earlier ancestors lived and worked at Limehillocks: both are >> in >> the Sillyearn region to the north and east of Grange in Banffshire (as >> was). >> If you find Portsoy on a map and go due south until you are east of >> Keith, >> then you are right in the middle of the area. >> Hope this helps. >> >> Melvyn. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Dorothy Pollard >> Sent: 05 December 2007 19:32 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills >> >> On their OPR marriage record for Cromdale and Inverallan, Donald >> Cruickshank is listed as of Easter Crannich and his bride Sarah >> Davidson is listed as of Waster Limekills. Both Crannich and >> Limekills are rather faint, but I think I have copied them correctly, >> but am certainly open to correction. I have looked on Old Maps but >> have been unable to find either. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Dorothy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: >> 05/12/2007 >> 08:41 >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: >> 05/12/2007 >> 08:41 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: > 07/12/2007 > 13:11 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: > 07/12/2007 > 13:11 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Melvyn, Some how I must have hit send rather than save and my half finished email to you went whizzing around the world to the Moray site. What I had been about to say, when I went off to see if I could find the Cruickshanks in the 1861 and 1871 census records on Scotlands People ( no luck with either) was that Sarah seems to be living in the area south east of Inverness and then north to Nairn, given that she says she was born in Moy / Daviot , would she say she was of Limehillocks in Banffshire? I wondered if Limekills was supposed to be Limekilns? Would there be many limekilns in that area? In other words was it a common name for a house or dwelling associated with limekilns? However I see that Gavin Bell has just answered the above. Thank you very much Gavin. I have a Phillip's Navigator 3 miles to the inch map and can see Lochindorb Castle and Lochindorb Lodge. Can you tell me any more about Easter Crannich or Wester Limekilns? Or where I can go to look for more information please? Thank you also Melvyn for your contribution, every little bit helps. Thanks to everyone, including Anne, who I see has also now added some more very helpful information. Dorothy

Melvyn, Thank you for replying to my query. I'm actually in Sydney, Australia, but the families I am researching NAIRN, McTAVISH, CRUICKSHANKS, DAVIDSON, BUTLER, BARCLAY, ROBERTSON all had some connection at one time to Dallas in Moray. Donald CRUICKSHANK according to his marriage record was of the Parish of Cromdale and Inverallan, and in 1834 gives his abode as Easter Crannich. However in the 1841 census he is living at Tomlea, Edinkillie and gives his birth place as outside the county (Moray), by 1851 his address is Loupmore, Ardlach, when he gives his birth place as Inverallan, Inverness shire. Sarah on the other hand also of the Parish of Cromdale and Inverallan gives her abode as Waster Limekills (hills?) and in 1841 is born outside the county (Moray). In 1851 she gives her birthplace as Daviot, Inverness shire and by 1881 she is living in Auldearn, Nairn and gives her birthplace as Moy, Inverness . On 06/12/2007, at 6:03 PM, Melvyn Hunter wrote: > Dear Dorothy, > > Not sure exactly where you are, but my great-grandmother was both > at the > Crannoch and earlier ancestors lived and worked at Limehillocks: > both are in > the Sillyearn region to the north and east of Grange in Banffshire > (as was). > If you find Portsoy on a map and go due south until you are east of > Keith, > then you are right in the middle of the area. > Hope this helps. > > Melvyn. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:moray- > [email protected]] On > Behalf Of Dorothy Pollard > Sent: 05 December 2007 19:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MORAY] Easter Crannich & Waster Limekills > > On their OPR marriage record for Cromdale and Inverallan, Donald > Cruickshank is listed as of Easter Crannich and his bride Sarah > Davidson is listed as of Waster Limekills. Both Crannich and > Limekills are rather faint, but I think I have copied them correctly, > but am certainly open to correction. I have looked on Old Maps but > have been unable to find either. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: > 05/12/2007 > 08:41 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.14/1172 - Release Date: > 05/12/2007 > 08:41 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: annettecaines Surnames: George and Catherine Shea Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/11.728/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I to have been looking for my great great grandmother. I have come to a halt as i cant find out where catherine Shea was born in ireland.Love to here any information about our family.My email is [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: annettecaines Surnames: George and Catherine Shea Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/11.727/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I to have been looking for my great great grandmother. I have come to a halt as i cant find out where catherine Shea was born in ireland.Love to here any information about our family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> However I see that Gavin Bell has just answered the above. > Thank you > very much Gavin. I have a Phillip's Navigator 3 miles to the > inch > map and can see Lochindorb Castle and Lochindorb Lodge. Can > you tell > me any more about Easter Crannich or Wester Limekilns? Or > where I > can go to look for more information please? Dorothy, you need a much more detailed map than 3 miles to the inch. Someone has already pointed you towards the Geograph web site, where you can see both photographs of these places and the 1:50,000 Ordnance Survey map showing where they are, and I think I also saw a reference in this thread to www.old-maps.co.uk where you can see the Ordnance Survey maps from the 1870s at six inches to the mile. It's a bit awkward to navigate on Old-maps, but from the home page click the maps tab and then select Map 2, then entering co-ordinates 300000,834600 will produce a map showing Crannich and 299600,836600 will show Limekilns. You can buy copies of the 1870s maps, and, as Gavin says, of the 1896 one-inch map. The best modern map for the purpose is the Ordnance Survey Explorer 1:25,000 map. Easter and Wester Limekilns and Easter and Wester Crannich are all marked on the very edge (unfortunately) of Sheet No 419 Grantown-on-Spey. If you go to http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ you can see extracts from the 1:25,000 map. Put NH997359 in the search box to see Wester Limekilns, NH992368 for Easter Limekilns, NH999343 for Wester Crannich and NJ003346 for Easter Crannich. You can also use the map keys to navigate from one map square to the next if you prefer. There's an online map shop on the Ordnance Survey web site; you could think about using their 'OS Select' to get a map centred on Limekilns and Crannich. HTH Anne

Dorothy Pollard wrote: > >.... I have a Phillip's Navigator 3 miles to the inch >map and can see Lochindorb Castle and Lochindorb Lodge. Can you tell >me any more about Easter Crannich or Wester Limekilns? Or where I >can go to look for more information please? > > I don't have any modern mapping of the area immediately to hand, but the places I listed were on sheet 84 of the Ordnance Survey 1" map (first edition) published in 1876. A more recent version of this (1896) is published in facsimile by Caledonian Maps (http://www.caledonianmaps.co.uk/). Gavin Bell