Your description sounds like a carte-de-visite, a very popular form of photography at the time your g-g-grandfather would have been in his 70s and 80s. I suggest you Google both "carte-de-visite" and "James Fraser photographer Grantown on Spey" and see what you get. I did a quick search and found a reference at http://www.libraries.psu.edu/speccolls/FindingAids/darrahindex/scotland.htmto a photograph of a woman in the collection of the Penn State University, but there will be others. Clearly his was a reputable studio, not one of the many fly-by-night photographers who were common in this period. CdV were a very popular way of keeping in touch among relatives who had remained in Britain and those who had emigrated to Australia. Bob Hay at home at www.bobhay.net On Dec 28, 2007 11:08 AM, Helen Ulmann <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List, and hope you all had a Happy Christmas > An early present were three photos, all unidentified, but possibly Grants > from Cherry Grove beside Old Spey Bridge, Grantown.. > > Does anyone know of a James FRASER, photographer, of Grantown on Spey and > the years he was in operation? > > I believe the photo from James Fraser's business may be of my gtgt > grandfather William GRANT, born about 1799, died Cherry Grove 1879. He > looks to be 75-80 years old in the oval photo on what was a small card. > There is writing (looks like blue biro) on the front of the photo saying > "Bill Grant" then "Peter" and under that "Father". My William was supposed > to have a father Peter, but he also had a son Peter who was well-known to > the Australian descendants of the Grants of Cherry Grove because he sent > presents and remembered them in his will. So the ambiguous notation written > by an unknown person could mean my William either way - either son of Peter > or father of Peter - but the photographer dates would be a little more > confirmation. > > The second photo is of a young man taken by J. CRAIGEN Aberdeen. Could > be George Grant, a commercial traveller, b.1846 d. 1880. > > The third is a studio portrait of a young man in what looks like military > dress (cap with a long swathe of material from the back, sporran, kilt but > it doesn't seem to be tartan) taken by STEVENSON & Co. 109 Bothwell St., > Glasgow. The only insignia seems to be a small three pronged crown on the > sporran and on the collar. He may be John George Grant b. 1873, died > Tientsin, China, in 1917. > > If anyone could tell me anything about these photographers, particularly > their dates of operation, or where to look on the internet, I would be very > grateful. Any site where I could try to identify the uniform of the third > man would also be helpful. > > Many thanks, > Helen in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bob Hay at home at www.bobhay.net

Mark, Thanks for that really interesting information. It turns out that Lewis Rose was the younger brother of Hugh Rose of Kilravock and actually became Clan Chief temporarily to allow some change to land tenure to occur (How and why I'm not sure - I'm not at all clear on the 18thC legalese) before Hugh took up the title again. The Yules lived in 1841 at Yule's Close (presumably their own property) in Nairn (now gone) but it was off the High St. close to the Rose town house. Where did you find the information on the Peterkins? I would be very interested in following this up further. Best wishes, Brian ---- "Fisher (Holiday Enterprise) Ltd" <[email protected]> wrote: > Brian, > This period happens to be one my cousin Sarah Brodie of Lethen and I have > spent a great deal of time on for the past 2 years, particularly since I > located over 200 years worth of Lethen estate records at the NAS which > Sarah has now withdrawn and is studying at home. > > To answer your first question, the Esquires were both minor landowners. > Lewis Rose was related to most of the other leading Rose families including > ultimately Rose of Kilravock the Clan Chief. I am not familiar with Lewis > Grant. The Peterkins were quite a prominent second level family in > Nairnshire in the 17th and 18th centuries. They were married into many of > the tenant farmer families and most of the tenant farmers were themselves > younger sons or the descendants of younger sons of the main Lairds who in > turn were all inter-related. In Ardclach we have dozens of examples of > children being named for the Laird or members of his family and usually the > person after whom the child was named was one of its godparents/baptism > witnesses. > > In my own family in the McIlvain branch, every child was not only named > after a member of either the Brodie of Lethen family and its various in-laws > or their neighbours and in each case the principal god parent was the man or > woman after whom the child was named. > Regards > Mark > > John M Sutherland-Fisher > Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd > North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, > Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN > Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 > Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 > Email: [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: 27 December 2007 18:30 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MORAY] baptism records Yule/Peterkin > > I was wondering if anyone could help me with understanding baptism records. > My GGGGgrandfather James Yule and my GGGGgrandmother Anne Peterkin had twin > boys baptised in Nairn in 1769: my GGGgrandfather John Yule and GGGGuncle > Lewis Yule The baptism record reads : "Nairn August 29th 1796. James Yule in > town and Anne Peterkin his wife had twins baptised, the oldest named John > witnessed John McIntosh Millerwright, John Rose Wright, John Rhind > Wheelerwright, John Petrekin in Moy, Anne McIntosh and James Sheppherd all > in town. The youngest called Lewis after Lewis Rose of Culmeny and Lewis > Grant of Grange-green Esquires. Witnessed Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny and > Elspet Rose in Nairn" > Is there any significance in Lewis being named after the two esquires? At > first I thought Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny may have been married to > Lewis Rose and that there was a connection through marriage to Anne Peterkin > but it is clear that Lewis Rose never married. I would like to know if the > naming of Lewis after Lewis Rose and Lewis Grant indicates any kind of > relationship between the people and would appreciate comments from anyone > with experience of reading these records. > > Many thanks, > > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 27/12/2007 > 13:34 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 27/12/2007 > 13:34 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, and hope you all had a Happy Christmas An early present were three photos, all unidentified, but possibly Grants from Cherry Grove beside Old Spey Bridge, Grantown.. Does anyone know of a James FRASER, photographer, of Grantown on Spey and the years he was in operation? I believe the photo from James Fraser's business may be of my gtgt grandfather William GRANT, born about 1799, died Cherry Grove 1879. He looks to be 75-80 years old in the oval photo on what was a small card. There is writing (looks like blue biro) on the front of the photo saying "Bill Grant" then "Peter" and under that "Father". My William was supposed to have a father Peter, but he also had a son Peter who was well-known to the Australian descendants of the Grants of Cherry Grove because he sent presents and remembered them in his will. So the ambiguous notation written by an unknown person could mean my William either way - either son of Peter or father of Peter - but the photographer dates would be a little more confirmation. The second photo is of a young man taken by J. CRAIGEN Aberdeen. Could be George Grant, a commercial traveller, b.1846 d. 1880. The third is a studio portrait of a young man in what looks like military dress (cap with a long swathe of material from the back, sporran, kilt but it doesn't seem to be tartan) taken by STEVENSON & Co. 109 Bothwell St., Glasgow. The only insignia seems to be a small three pronged crown on the sporran and on the collar. He may be John George Grant b. 1873, died Tientsin, China, in 1917. If anyone could tell me anything about these photographers, particularly their dates of operation, or where to look on the internet, I would be very grateful. Any site where I could try to identify the uniform of the third man would also be helpful. Many thanks, Helen in Australia

Hello all, Am hoping to get some help with the DONALD and/or McKENZIE/McKINZIE surnames. Here is the information I have which started my search on James DONALD and Charlotte McKENZIE. Margaret DONALD 1875 death certificate in Cluny, Aberdeen lists her parents as James DONALD and Charlotte McKENZIE. James DONALD's former occupation is shown as Parochial School Master. Margaret was age 53 when she died so she was born about 1822. MARRIAGE DATA A Charlotte McKINZIE married James DONALD 1806 in St Nicholas, Aberdeen per the online IGI. Not sure if the same couple or not but the time frame fits. As a side note, I could not find this record at Scotlands People when doing an OPR Bann and Marriage search 1553-1854 for Charlotte McKenzie (and variants). A James DONALD search at SP to a McKENZIE for the years 1800-1820 only turned up a 1813 one to a N Marjory McKenzie. I did not get this record. Also unsuccessful with a search of a James Donald married to a Charlotte in the same time period. The 1840 marriage record for Margaret Donald does not mention her parent's names but she was living in Kintore at the time of the marriage. CENSUS DATA James and Charlotte would have died before the 1841 census. The 1841 census shows Margaret DONALD born outside the county about 1821. She was already married at this time. The 1851 census shows Margaret (married name ABEL) was born in Morayshire - St Andrews about 1823. The 1861 census shows Margaret was born in Morayshire - St Andrews about 1821. The 1871 census shows Margaret was born in Morayshire - St Andrews about 1826. DEATH DATA The 1835 ELGIN will of Mrs. Charlotte McKENZIE or DONALD shows her husband as the late Rev. James DONALD, Schoolmaster of St. Andrews. This will also mentions a William DONALD, farmer in Kintore. I "suspect" William DONALD is perhaps a brother to James DONALD. The will also mentions the estate to be divided equally between her two children - Margaret DONALD and Robert DONALD. The 1835 Testament of Charlotte DONALD, or Mrs. Charlotte MacKENZIE, from the Elgin Sheriff Court Inventories, mentions the late Reverend James DONALD, Schoolmaster of St Andrews, who died at Elgin 23 May 1834. Also mentions William DONALD from Kintore as the Executor. Also mentions cash due to the deceased by James SINCLAIR, Rev. W. LESLIE, Rev. W. SIMPSON. I found part of a book online titled "The History of the Province of Moray: Comprising the Counties of Elgin.... " by Lachlan Shaw, James Frederick Skinner Gordon. A Rev. William Leslie, Minister of St. Andrews-Lhanbryd is mentioned but I did not find a reference to Rev. James Donald. MI DATA I have a copy of the Lhanbryde Old Churhyard and Lhanbryde New Cemetery (Parish of St Andrews - Lhanbryde) MI's. No references to James Donald or Charlotte McKenzie. BIRTH DATA A Scotland Peoples OPR search for Robert Donald born anywhere in Scotland to a James Donald for the years 1800-1854 did not turn up a mother with a name close to Charlotte McKenzie. A SP OPR/Baptism search for Margaret Donald born 1820-1824 turned up several born to a James Donald but none to a Charlotte McKenzie. OTHER NOTES The death records at Scotlands People prior to 1855 are not available online. I do not live near a LDS Family History Center. QUESTIONS: Does anyone have any suggestions about obtaining more information about James DONALD and Charlotte McKENZIE? I thought about getting the MI booklets of other close by kirkyards (Pluscarden, Spynie, and Michael Kirk). Does anyone have access to the OPRs and could take a look for me re: death of James and Charlotte or births of Robert and Margaret DONALD? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Best wishes for the new year, Barbara Nellesen

Brian, This period happens to be one my cousin Sarah Brodie of Lethen and I have spent a great deal of time on for the past 2 years, particularly since I located over 200 years worth of Lethen estate records at the NAS which Sarah has now withdrawn and is studying at home. To answer your first question, the Esquires were both minor landowners. Lewis Rose was related to most of the other leading Rose families including ultimately Rose of Kilravock the Clan Chief. I am not familiar with Lewis Grant. The Peterkins were quite a prominent second level family in Nairnshire in the 17th and 18th centuries. They were married into many of the tenant farmer families and most of the tenant farmers were themselves younger sons or the descendants of younger sons of the main Lairds who in turn were all inter-related. In Ardclach we have dozens of examples of children being named for the Laird or members of his family and usually the person after whom the child was named was one of its godparents/baptism witnesses. In my own family in the McIlvain branch, every child was not only named after a member of either the Brodie of Lethen family and its various in-laws or their neighbours and in each case the principal god parent was the man or woman after whom the child was named. Regards Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 27 December 2007 18:30 To: [email protected] Subject: [MORAY] baptism records Yule/Peterkin I was wondering if anyone could help me with understanding baptism records. My GGGGgrandfather James Yule and my GGGGgrandmother Anne Peterkin had twin boys baptised in Nairn in 1769: my GGGgrandfather John Yule and GGGGuncle Lewis Yule The baptism record reads : "Nairn August 29th 1796. James Yule in town and Anne Peterkin his wife had twins baptised, the oldest named John witnessed John McIntosh Millerwright, John Rose Wright, John Rhind Wheelerwright, John Petrekin in Moy, Anne McIntosh and James Sheppherd all in town. The youngest called Lewis after Lewis Rose of Culmeny and Lewis Grant of Grange-green Esquires. Witnessed Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny and Elspet Rose in Nairn" Is there any significance in Lewis being named after the two esquires? At first I thought Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny may have been married to Lewis Rose and that there was a connection through marriage to Anne Peterkin but it is clear that Lewis Rose never married. I would like to know if the naming of Lewis after Lewis Rose and Lewis Grant indicates any kind of relationship between the people and would appreciate comments from anyone with experience of reading these records. Many thanks, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 27/12/2007 13:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 27/12/2007 13:34

I was wondering if anyone could help me with understanding baptism records. My GGGGgrandfather James Yule and my GGGGgrandmother Anne Peterkin had twin boys baptised in Nairn in 1769: my GGGgrandfather John Yule and GGGGuncle Lewis Yule The baptism record reads : "Nairn August 29th 1796. James Yule in town and Anne Peterkin his wife had twins baptised, the oldest named John witnessed John McIntosh Millerwright, John Rose Wright, John Rhind Wheelerwright, John Petrekin in Moy, Anne McIntosh and James Sheppherd all in town. The youngest called Lewis after Lewis Rose of Culmeny and Lewis Grant of Grange-green Esquires. Witnessed Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny and Elspet Rose in Nairn" Is there any significance in Lewis being named after the two esquires? At first I thought Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny may have been married to Lewis Rose and that there was a connection through marriage to Anne Peterkin but it is clear that Lewis Rose never married. I would like to know if the naming of Lewis after Lewis Rose and Lewis Grant indicates any kind of relationship between the people and would appreciate comments from anyone with experience of reading these records. Many thanks, Brian

Hello Everyone! I hibernated in the heat of Boxing Day and typed up my handwritten notes from The Ship- Board Diary of Charles Bregazzi aboard the "Carrier Dove" in 1857. There are nine pages! To those of you who indicated that that you would like a copy, please indicate by email to: [email protected] I can then send a copy as an 'attachment'. The temperature here yesterday was 20oC min. - 44.2oC max. - the hottest place in the world! Hope everyone had a happy Christmas Day, wherever you all may be........Judy. Perth. W.Australia

> Hello Judy, > > I wonder if we are relayed? Everyone says that, ha, ha. > > George Simpson born 1820, Elgin, owned 15 acres. He was a crofter. > married > Margaret Garden born 1822, Elgin died 1896 > > daughter: > Jane Brodie Simpson born October 27, 1859 > > She had an illegiment child. > Mary Ann McKenzie born June 9, 1880 She was my husband's Great Grandmother. > For years we thought she was a Geddes but it turns out from her birth > certificate she was a McKenzie. > I do not think her parents were married, her father was Alexander McKenzie. > > Happy New Year, > Catherine > Parksville, BC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Acaster" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 10:09 PM > Subject: [MORAY] Jane McKENZIE nee GRANT > > > > On this scorching (40o) Christmas Day in the other Perth, W. Australia, I > am > > thinking of my g.g.grandmother, Jane McKENZIE nee GRANT who died on > > Christmas Day 1914 in Elmore, Victoria, Australia. > > > > Jane was the daughter of blacksmith Lachlan GRANT and Jean nee WALKER. She > > was born, or at least baptised at Edinkillie on 14.3.1836. Lachlan was > the > > blacksmith at Ferness Bridge and after Jane married James McKENZIE, they > > all followed the rest of the GRANT family to Australia in 1857. What an > > adventure that must have been! > > > > Jane was a typical hardworking woman of her time. James worked at the > > diggings in Rutherglen and I guess they lived in a tent. However, after > > their nine year old daughter, Jane Elizabeth, drowned on 24.1.1866, James > > decided his fortune lay not in gold but in the land and he obtained a > grant > > to return to farming. A slab hut was probably their first home and > with > > the sorrow of losing their beloved daughter who had been born in Ardclach, > > and the hard work of clearing their land, life must have been tough. > > > > But they were Scots! After I had spent time exploring the areas they came > > from in Moray and knowing the area where they settled in Australia, I can > > understand that possibly only Scottish farmers would be able to survive. > > The land is similar and the isolation would be familiar to them. The > > living conditions in Scotland would not have been much better than they > > experienced in Australia. > > > > Jane gave birth to two sons who also died as children and two more who > > eventually took over the farms. I 'found' Jane Elizabeth by accident, > when > > I found her mother's grave in an isolated bush graveyard and it mentioned > > the daughter who had drowned. I tracked down the inquest which makes sad > > reading. > > > > I think of them both with fondness today and would love to sit down with > > Jane, to chat about what it was like to grow up in Scotland, and also her > > life in early Australia. > > > > Happy Christmas everyone.............Judy > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > >

My 'take' on this query would be that the "Esquires" were landowners/business men and well respected by the parents of the twins. They would have considered it quite an honor that they would stand as witnesses to the baptism. Maybe the "Esquires" owned the property the family lived on........Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: [MORAY] baptism records Yule/Peterkin >I was wondering if anyone could help me with understanding baptism records. >My GGGGgrandfather James Yule and my GGGGgrandmother Anne Peterkin had twin >boys baptised in Nairn in 1769: my GGGgrandfather John Yule and GGGGuncle >Lewis Yule The baptism record reads : "Nairn August 29th 1796. James Yule >in town and Anne Peterkin his wife had twins baptised, the oldest named >John witnessed John McIntosh Millerwright, John Rose Wright, John Rhind >Wheelerwright, John Petrekin in Moy, Anne McIntosh and James Sheppherd all >in town. The youngest called Lewis after Lewis Rose of Culmeny and Lewis >Grant of Grange-green Esquires. Witnessed Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny >and Elspet Rose in Nairn" > Is there any significance in Lewis being named after the two esquires? At > first I thought Elizabeth Petrickin in Culmeny may have been married to > Lewis Rose and that there was a connection through marriage to Anne > Peterkin but it is clear that Lewis Rose never married. I would like to > know if the naming of Lewis after Lewis Rose and Lewis Grant indicates any > kind of relationship between the people and would appreciate comments from > anyone with experience of reading these records. > > Many thanks, > > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Always look to this list for guidance :) I have either drawn a blank or something has changed.... I have several saved images on scotlandspeople and noted one was not saved on my new computer (my original computer fried this past July and lost three months of work). If I recall, I use to save these as jpegs..........or........as tiff's, pulled these into my program and then saved as a jpeg (I attach the images to my tree). I am now unable to change the format of the downloaded file from sp and Legacy does not recognize whatever I downloaded. Has anyone else run into this or am I just losing it!!! I am running Windows Vista (aaaaaahhhhhh) and am not certain if it is due to this or if circumstances on SP have changed. As always, would appreciated any guidance. Kind regards, Sherry

Hi Carol, No idea if this helps in your Gladys Grace Brayshaw Rhind Duncan puzzle or not but, in my tree, I have the following Grace Rhind links: Grace Rhind, b 1879 in Moray, parents Alexander Rhind and Christina Rhind. She married Charles Duffy. Grace Rhind, born 1906, Moray, married John McKandie in 1927 in The Manse, Elgin. Parents were Nathaniel Rhind and Anne Eliza Wilson who married in Lossie, 1905. The next one is a bit vague, I'm afraid: Grace Rhind, born Canada, had a son, Earl. Her parents were Nathaniel Rhind, born 1886 in Leith, Edinburgh who married Grace..... There might just be something that rings a bell! Regards, Linda Boyd ---- Carol Sklinar <[email protected]> wrote: > Hope you all had a good Christmas and your virtual guests gave you more > questions to answer, which means lots more family meals, including the > New Year meal and traditional party. > > If I had have been more organised this year I would have invited my > g.grandmother Mary Duncan, the mother of Gladys Grace Brayshaw Rhind > Duncan - where those names came from is anyones guess, but I wish I > could have been there at the time the names were thought of. > > So Mary would have been at the top of the list for a Boxing Day meal. I > would have plied her with food and drink ( non-alcoholic before the > questions and alcoholic afterwards if needed) and asked her, quite > innocently and diplomatically who she married. Did she tie the knott > with a John Strachan and go to Canada. > > I know I've asked this question before in my mind and probably on the > list too, but I would love to know if the present sent from Canada of > table and bed linen for my mum and dad's wedding in the Tower Hotel was > from her. > > Another burning question is - the picture of a lady sitting in on a > dining chair in a garden, is it you Mary Duncan ? > > I would ask her why I can't find her marriage. Is that because she > married in Canada. Even more confusing I can't find her going to Canada. > > As g.grandma had a previous booking this Boxing Day, could anyone on the > list fill in my questions. > > Another guest for the day would have been my grandma, Gladys (Mary's > daughter) as that would have been the only way I would have met her. Not > forgetting my grandad, John Riach (1898) who I loved dearly. Again, so > many questions. I think I had better go and get a list organised for > the next family meal. > > Happy whats left of Christmas > > Carol > list admin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hope you all had a good Christmas and your virtual guests gave you more questions to answer, which means lots more family meals, including the New Year meal and traditional party. If I had have been more organised this year I would have invited my g.grandmother Mary Duncan, the mother of Gladys Grace Brayshaw Rhind Duncan - where those names came from is anyones guess, but I wish I could have been there at the time the names were thought of. So Mary would have been at the top of the list for a Boxing Day meal. I would have plied her with food and drink ( non-alcoholic before the questions and alcoholic afterwards if needed) and asked her, quite innocently and diplomatically who she married. Did she tie the knott with a John Strachan and go to Canada. I know I've asked this question before in my mind and probably on the list too, but I would love to know if the present sent from Canada of table and bed linen for my mum and dad's wedding in the Tower Hotel was from her. Another burning question is - the picture of a lady sitting in on a dining chair in a garden, is it you Mary Duncan ? I would ask her why I can't find her marriage. Is that because she married in Canada. Even more confusing I can't find her going to Canada. As g.grandma had a previous booking this Boxing Day, could anyone on the list fill in my questions. Another guest for the day would have been my grandma, Gladys (Mary's daughter) as that would have been the only way I would have met her. Not forgetting my grandad, John Riach (1898) who I loved dearly. Again, so many questions. I think I had better go and get a list organised for the next family meal. Happy whats left of Christmas Carol list admin

Couldn't find the lady who came to Canada...I'll put my boots on.........and go and look if you give me a date.....apporximately.......Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Sklinar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: [MORAY] Christmas Dinner - Duncan and Strachan > Hope you all had a good Christmas and your virtual guests gave you more > questions to answer, which means lots more family meals, including the > New Year meal and traditional party. > > If I had have been more organised this year I would have invited my > g.grandmother Mary Duncan, the mother of Gladys Grace Brayshaw Rhind > Duncan - where those names came from is anyones guess, but I wish I > could have been there at the time the names were thought of. > > So Mary would have been at the top of the list for a Boxing Day meal. I > would have plied her with food and drink ( non-alcoholic before the > questions and alcoholic afterwards if needed) and asked her, quite > innocently and diplomatically who she married. Did she tie the knott > with a John Strachan and go to Canada. > > I know I've asked this question before in my mind and probably on the > list too, but I would love to know if the present sent from Canada of > table and bed linen for my mum and dad's wedding in the Tower Hotel was > from her. > > Another burning question is - the picture of a lady sitting in on a > dining chair in a garden, is it you Mary Duncan ? > > I would ask her why I can't find her marriage. Is that because she > married in Canada. Even more confusing I can't find her going to Canada. > > As g.grandma had a previous booking this Boxing Day, could anyone on the > list fill in my questions. > > Another guest for the day would have been my grandma, Gladys (Mary's > daughter) as that would have been the only way I would have met her. Not > forgetting my grandad, John Riach (1898) who I loved dearly. Again, so > many questions. I think I had better go and get a list organised for > the next family meal. > > Happy whats left of Christmas > > Carol > list admin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I had an univited but more than welcomed Guest at my table today. He is a MCGREGOR descendent from Hamilton, Scotland. He says he has the McGregor family all the way back.........Well, we'll see how that works out, but it was great to welcome him to the table today. He joins the other 5 of us from round the world who are feasting with the McGregors. Now if we could JUST find a live McGregor from the Drainie area, the settings would all be taken. Good luck to all searchers in the New Year. Goldie

Hi List, and hope you all had a Happy Christmas An early present were three photos, all unidentified, but possibly Grants from Cherry Grove beside Old Spey Bridge, Grantown.. Does anyone know of a James Fraser, photographer, of Grantown on Spey and the years he was in operation? I believe the photo from James Fraser's business may be of my gtgt grandfather William Grant, born about 1799, died Cherry Grove 1879. He looks to be 75-80 years old in the oval photo on what was a small card. There is writing (looks like blue biro) on the front of the photo saying "Bill Grant" then "Peter" and under that "Father". My William was supposed to have a father Peter, but he also had a son Peter who was well-known to the Australian descendants of the Grants of Cherry Grove because he sent presents and remembered them in his will. So the ambiguous notation written by an unknown person could mean my William either way - either son of Peter or father of Peter - but the photographer dates would be a little more confirmation. The second photo is of a young man taken by J. Craigen Aberdeen. Could be George Grant, a commercial traveller, b.1846 d. 1880. The third is a studio portrait of a young man in what looks like military dress (cap with a long swathe of material from the back, sporran, kilt but it doesn't seem to be tartan) taken by Stevenson & Co. 109 Bothwell St., Glasgow. The only insignia seems to be a small three pronged crown on the sporran and on the collar. He may be John George Grant b. 1873, died Tientsin, China, in 1917. If anyone could tell me anything about these photographers, particularly their dates of operation, or where to look on the internet, I would be very grateful. Any site where I could try to identify the uniform of the third man would also be helpful. Many thanks, Helen in Australia

On this scorching (40o) Christmas Day in the other Perth, W. Australia, I am thinking of my g.g.grandmother, Jane McKENZIE nee GRANT who died on Christmas Day 1914 in Elmore, Victoria, Australia. Jane was the daughter of blacksmith Lachlan GRANT and Jean nee WALKER. She was born, or at least baptised at Edinkillie on 14.3.1836. Lachlan was the blacksmith at Ferness Bridge and after Jane married James McKENZIE, they all followed the rest of the GRANT family to Australia in 1857. What an adventure that must have been! Jane was a typical hardworking woman of her time. James worked at the diggings in Rutherglen and I guess they lived in a tent. However, after their nine year old daughter, Jane Elizabeth, drowned on 24.1.1866, James decided his fortune lay not in gold but in the land and he obtained a grant to return to farming. A slab hut was probably their first home and with the sorrow of losing their beloved daughter who had been born in Ardclach, and the hard work of clearing their land, life must have been tough. But they were Scots! After I had spent time exploring the areas they came from in Moray and knowing the area where they settled in Australia, I can understand that possibly only Scottish farmers would be able to survive. The land is similar and the isolation would be familiar to them. The living conditions in Scotland would not have been much better than they experienced in Australia. Jane gave birth to two sons who also died as children and two more who eventually took over the farms. I 'found' Jane Elizabeth by accident, when I found her mother's grave in an isolated bush graveyard and it mentioned the daughter who had drowned. I tracked down the inquest which makes sad reading. I think of them both with fondness today and would love to sit down with Jane, to chat about what it was like to grow up in Scotland, and also her life in early Australia. Happy Christmas everyone.............Judy

Christmas Greetings to you too Bev and to all listers. Many thanks to those who have helped me this year. Barb

Hello Ruth, I have a James Grant born abt 1766 with 2 children Mary and Lewis, any connection? Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Filbert" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: [MORAY] Christmas guest >I would like to have James Grant to join my family for Christmas dinner. He >was born about 1761 in Knockando. I would like to ask him who were his >parents were and did he have brothers and sisters. > Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone. > Ruth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.8/1195 - Release Date: > 12/24/2007 11:19 AM > >

Hi Jan Do not know we are stuck at Ann Riach who married our James Hay in 1736, that is our brick wall, with the Riach's our Hay mob seem to have all flown the coup. Regards Bev >Hi Bev, >Ihave a Margaret Ogilvie who married into my Reid family. >She was the daughter of John Ogilvie and Margaret Mackintosh, born 1852 >Birnie, Moray. >Any connection? > >Jan > > > >>>Yes Sherry >>>I agree with you, I am sitting here in Oz waiting for someone to post >>>something about my mob, Hay, Riach, Ogilvie, Watson. I am not getting >>> >>> > > > >>>very far but wait and read all the postings every day hoping someone >>>somewhere is looking for the same families. >>> >>>Merry Christmas all! and I too thank you for all your information and >>>help that you share around. >>> >>>Bev >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Merry Christmas everyone, I would like to have my husbands Great Grandmother for Christmas to find out why she never told anyone she was a McKenzie and not a Geddes. We found out Mary Anne Geddes was really Mary Anne McKenzie. Found her birth certificate which said she a McKenzie's just last month. What a surprised to my husband, Mackenzie. Any McKenzie's in Elgin, Glasgow area would like to hear from you. The other person I want to invite for Christmas dinner is my grandfather, William Thomas, born in Wales. I want to locate his grave before I come over next year for holidays. To all you wonderful people have a very Merry Christmas. Catherine and Mack Parksville, BC,