Happy New Year to everyone on the list from Parksville, BC, Canada, I am looking for Alexander McKenzie who had a daughter Mary Anne who was born June 9, 1880 in Inchberry. Mother's name was Jane Brodie Simpson born October 27, 1859 . Her parents were George Simpson born 1820 Elgin. He was a crofter of 15 acres. His wife was Margaret Garden born 1822 Elgin, died 1896. Look forward to hearing from any person with one of these names in their family tree. Happy New year, Catherine

Happy New Year, I will be the last email for 2007 it is only 6:15 PM here in Parksville, BC, Canada. Catherine

Hi Bill If you look at the 'family' section of my website you will find some info on the Davidsons of Findhorn. They had Forres & Nairn marriages and so there is a faint chance of a link. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> * Cemeteries of New Zealand - Map, List and Web-links * Parishes of Northern Ireland - Map * Our Family History WILLIAM LEAVENS wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm new to this list - I am looking for any information about the DAVIDSON family living in Nairn in 1870 and Forres in 1872 > > >From the 1871 census and BC searches I obtained the following information: > > John DAVIDSON (b:1842, Berwick, NBL) - Commercial traveller (Drapery) > Hester DAVIDSON (Nee RING, b:1844, Chippenham, Wilts) - m:1869, Pancras, London > Mary DAVIDSON (b:1870, Nairn) > George DAVIDSON (b:1872, Forres) > William DAVIDSON (b:1873, Forres) > Margaret DAVIDSON (b:1874, Forres) > > I'm trying to find out where John DAVIDSON et al. were prior to, and after 1870 (where they were living, any clues to why they moved,etc.?). I believe that by 1891 they were possibly living in Halifax, England, but that's unverified at present. > > Any information would be very helpful. > > Many thanks, > > Bill Leavens, > Herts, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Bill, The Davidsons were one of the principal families which lived in Nairnshire for generations, from at least the early 17th century through to the present day. In particular they had a strong presence in Ardclach and Cawdor parishes. My own 4 times great grandmother was Anne Davidson born 21st May 1786 in Ardclach. She married Alexander Fraser on 18th June 1806 in Ardclach as well. Regards Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of WILLIAM LEAVENS Sent: 30 December 2007 17:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [MORAY] Wherabouts of the DAVIDSON family between 1870 -1891... Hi there, I'm new to this list - I am looking for any information about the DAVIDSON family living in Nairn in 1870 and Forres in 1872 >From the 1871 census and BC searches I obtained the following information: John DAVIDSON (b:1842, Berwick, NBL) - Commercial traveller (Drapery) Hester DAVIDSON (Nee RING, b:1844, Chippenham, Wilts) - m:1869, Pancras, London Mary DAVIDSON (b:1870, Nairn) George DAVIDSON (b:1872, Forres) William DAVIDSON (b:1873, Forres) Margaret DAVIDSON (b:1874, Forres) I'm trying to find out where John DAVIDSON et al. were prior to, and after 1870 (where they were living, any clues to why they moved,etc.?). I believe that by 1891 they were possibly living in Halifax, England, but that's unverified at present. Any information would be very helpful. Many thanks, Bill Leavens, Herts, UK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 30/12/2007 11:27

Hullo Listers' I am trying to trace the family of a Jane Shaw who gave birth to Alexander James Shaw at 23 Urquhart Street Forres in 1857 can anyone help please Jill

Hi there, I'm new to this list - I am looking for any information about the DAVIDSON family living in Nairn in 1870 and Forres in 1872 >From the 1871 census and BC searches I obtained the following information: John DAVIDSON (b:1842, Berwick, NBL) - Commercial traveller (Drapery) Hester DAVIDSON (Nee RING, b:1844, Chippenham, Wilts) - m:1869, Pancras, London Mary DAVIDSON (b:1870, Nairn) George DAVIDSON (b:1872, Forres) William DAVIDSON (b:1873, Forres) Margaret DAVIDSON (b:1874, Forres) I'm trying to find out where John DAVIDSON et al. were prior to, and after 1870 (where they were living, any clues to why they moved,etc.?). I believe that by 1891 they were possibly living in Halifax, England, but that's unverified at present. Any information would be very helpful. Many thanks, Bill Leavens, Herts, UK

> I am trying to trace the family of a Jane Shaw who > gave birth to Alexander James Shaw at 23 Urquhart > Street Forres in 1857 can anyone help please Hi Jill In your place I'd look for Alexander Shaw, aged 3, in the 1861 census. If he isn't actually living with his mother, there is a good chance that he will be with his grandparents. You can view images of the 1861 census for a modest fee at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. The index lists 21 Alexander Shaws aged 2 to 4. The nearest one to Forres is a 3-year-old at Croy and Dalcross. Happy hunting! Anne

Hi. This is William in Montreal. I was just wondering if you could help me. I have an old studio picture taken about <1890 and on it is indicated J.S.Gordon Aberdeen. How do I find out more on this J.S.Gordon. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Dennis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Fw: Photographers Grantown on Spey Aberdeen and Glasgow > Here are some sites that will give you some photographers..... Not all > Scotland, but... > <http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_car/0_cartes_de_visite_0_f.htm> > <http://victorian.fortunecity.com/carroll/642/pixs/carte.htm> > > I really relish the idea that some of the lost and not so famous family > might miraculously appear! > > Beverly > > Helen Ulmann wrote: > >>Thanks again, Bob. I really would like the potted history if you don't >>mind. Of course I'd read of visiting cards, silver platters, butlers etc. >>but hadn't realized that some cartes de visite came with photographs - was >>this the norm? I'd thought of my gggrandfather as a simple crofter (with >>4 >>acres beside the old Spey Bridge at Grantown) who had worked as a grieve >>on >>farms on the Castle Grant estate. Not of the social strata to have >>visiting >>cards produced. But perhaps it was wealthy son Peter who decided that Dad >>should be upgraded! >>Canberra's photographic expo sounds fascinating, the place to be in 2008, >>particularly for a (pre-digital) mad keen photographer... >>Happy New Year, >>Helen >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

New to list - I am looking for connections to Charles SUTHERLAND - born 1788. I wonder if the CS (listed in scotlandspeople) as marrying Jean CALDER in Elgin in 1807 is the same one as in London from 1820's - with connections to Duncan DUNBAR, John MASSON, Charles FERRIER (Shippers/traders)? Barbara in Sydney

Good afternoon..... Am "new" to research in Moray and hoping someone can advise whether there is/are possible MIs re the following family : John Grant/Elizabeth Dawson married @ Cromdale (01/01/1801) and their sons Donald (20/05/1802) + James (01/04/1806) + John (17/09/1808) + Alexander (14/04/1811) were born there. There is a possible daughter - Elspeth (10/04/1804) but mothers name on listing is Jannet Lawson not Elizabeth. Carole No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: 28/12/2007 11:51

Thanks, Beverly - it's a whole new world to explore. Now I'm waiting for my gggrandmother! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Dennis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Fw: Photographers Grantown on Spey Aberdeen and Glasgow > Here are some sites that will give you some photographers..... Not all > Scotland, but... > <http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_car/0_cartes_de_visite_0_f.htm> > <http://victorian.fortunecity.com/carroll/642/pixs/carte.htm> > > I really relish the idea that some of the lost and not so famous family > might miraculously appear! > > Beverly >

Hi David Looked at the family and found I had no Margaret. As I picked up some information from the headstone in Rothes on a visit some years ago. I also found in various cemeteries other members of the Riach and connected families Anyway, have just been on ancestry and looked at the Scottish census a thing I have been doing in stages for all the families. I've found Margaret with the family in the census and also found Annie her sister living with her aunt Margaret Younie b 1849 Rothes living at 13 High St, Rothes. I too have been able to find nothing else about Margaret - could it be that she may have gone to join family in NZ or Australia ? Worse things have happened when people have disappeared Will keep looking though, Carol DAVID FELL wrote: > Hi Carol > > I think we have been in touch before. > > You wrote: > For the Younie side, George Younie = Helen Riach, their children - > what did they > do as children? What were their jobs and why did they go in that > direction ? > How many children do you have for George and Helen? I have found five > and one was found this year! > > Margaret Elspet Younie born in 1881 and I have her in the 1891 and > 1901 census, after that she disappears. Any further information seath > notices etc don't mention her in anything. The gravestone in Rothes > mentions James, John, Annie and Helen but not Margaret. > > Any ideas? > > Regards > > Dave > > > >

There was nothing especially posh about CDVs.... They became relatively cheap and people at all levels of society paid for them and exchanged them. They were not "visiting cards" associated with silver salvers, butlers and society matrons calling on each other. They took their name from such visiting cards only because they were the same size. Society matrons probably would have thought it infra dig to leave a calling card with your likeness upon it! There is an excellent book, "The Mechanical Eye in Australia" which will give you a lot more background about photography in Australia, but I cannot think - off the top of my head - of a similar reference for Scotland. However, I cannot imagine someone has not done some kind of catalogue or reference to photographic studios of the 19th Century - the Scots took to photography like ducks to water. Bob Hay. On Dec 29, 2007 2:16 PM, Helen Ulmann <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks again, Bob. I really would like the potted history if you don't > mind. Of course I'd read of visiting cards, silver platters, butlers etc. > but hadn't realized that some cartes de visite came with photographs - was > this the norm? I'd thought of my gggrandfather as a simple crofter (with > 4 > acres beside the old Spey Bridge at Grantown) who had worked as a grieve > on > farms on the Castle Grant estate. Not of the social strata to have > visiting > cards produced. But perhaps it was wealthy son Peter who decided that Dad > should be upgraded! > Canberra's photographic expo sounds fascinating, the place to be in 2008, > particularly for a (pre-digital) mad keen photographer... > Happy New Year, > Helen > > > >

Thanks again, Bob. I really would like the potted history if you don't mind. Of course I'd read of visiting cards, silver platters, butlers etc. but hadn't realized that some cartes de visite came with photographs - was this the norm? I'd thought of my gggrandfather as a simple crofter (with 4 acres beside the old Spey Bridge at Grantown) who had worked as a grieve on farms on the Castle Grant estate. Not of the social strata to have visiting cards produced. But perhaps it was wealthy son Peter who decided that Dad should be upgraded! Canberra's photographic expo sounds fascinating, the place to be in 2008, particularly for a (pre-digital) mad keen photographer... Happy New Year, Helen

> MARRIAGE DATA > A Charlotte McKINZIE married James DONALD 1806 in St > Nicholas, Aberdeen > per the online IGI. Not sure if the same > couple or not but the time frame fits. As a side > note, I could not find > this record at Scotlands People when doing > an OPR Bann and Marriage search 1553-1854 for > Charlotte McKenzie (and > variants). I don't understand this, because when I looked in the SP index for banns for Charlotte McKinzie without a spouse name, it came up with this marriage to Jas Donald on 12/07/1806 in Aberdeen City. Why not try again using just the bare minimum of information? Anne

Cartes de visite, CDVs, are a family historian's best friends because not only do they show you what dead relatives looked like, usually in their Sunday best, but they also are of great help identifying time periods. They were invented in the 1854 by André Disderi but became fashionable by 1860 and by 1863, so fashionable that the American, Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes, was able to write "Card portraits, as everybody knows, have become the social currency, the 'green-backs' of civilization." It is not only clothing which shows when the CDV was taken, but also the thickness of the card on which they are printed, whether or not they have coloured borders, the size of the image relative to the size of the card, whether they had rounded corners, and - for a time in the US, whether or not they carried a duty stamp. etc etc. By about 1880 they were largely superseded by Cabinet photos (larger) and by 1900 or so, the post card. Helen, there is a huge Festival of Photography scheduled here in Canberra from July to October, 2008. It is coordinated I believe by the National Gallery but just about every institution here in the National Capital with an interest in photography is taking part. You can see a draft program at http://www.nla.gov.au/pict/NationalPhotographyFestival-DraftProgram.html, but if you would like just a potted history of the CDV, I can send you a copy of the pertinent lecture I am giving as part of a 9 week course here in Canberra for the University of the Third Age. My lectures are usually on my web site but since this course does not start until March 2008 I have not yet uploaded the texts - in case students read them there and don't attend in person :-) If you prefer to wait, the full course will be there at www.bobhay.net from about mid-April on. Watch the birdie and say "cheese"... Bob. On Dec 29, 2007 8:18 AM, Helen Ulmann <[email protected]> wrote: > Many thanks, Bob. I'd never thought of cartes-de-visite, and hadn't seen > any before. I've emailed the Grantown museum to see what more they have > on > James Fraser. Apologies to the list for the double posting - when my > first > email didn't show on the list after 24 hours I posted a repeat. > Helen in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Bob Hay at home at www.bobhay.net

Thank you Anne. Hmmmm not sure how I missed it. From my notes I did searches back in 2005 and 2007 buy in both cases I input the spouse name - perhaps that was the problem. I very much appreciate you taking a look and will definitely do as you suggest. Thanks again, Barbara Anne Burgess wrote: >> MARRIAGE DATA >> A Charlotte McKINZIE married James DONALD 1806 in St >> Nicholas, Aberdeen >> per the online IGI. Not sure if the same >> couple or not but the time frame fits. As a side >> note, I could not find >> this record at Scotlands People when doing >> an OPR Bann and Marriage search 1553-1854 for >> Charlotte McKenzie (and >> variants). >> > > I don't understand this, because when I looked in the > SP index for banns for Charlotte McKinzie without a > spouse name, it came up with this marriage to Jas > Donald on 12/07/1806 in Aberdeen City. Why not try > again using just the bare minimum of information? > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Many thanks, Bob. I'd never thought of cartes-de-visite, and hadn't seen any before. I've emailed the Grantown museum to see what more they have on James Fraser. Apologies to the list for the double posting - when my first email didn't show on the list after 24 hours I posted a repeat. Helen in Australia

Here are some sites that will give you some photographers..... Not all Scotland, but... <http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_car/0_cartes_de_visite_0_f.htm> <http://victorian.fortunecity.com/carroll/642/pixs/carte.htm> I really relish the idea that some of the lost and not so famous family might miraculously appear! Beverly Helen Ulmann wrote: >Thanks again, Bob. I really would like the potted history if you don't >mind. Of course I'd read of visiting cards, silver platters, butlers etc. >but hadn't realized that some cartes de visite came with photographs - was >this the norm? I'd thought of my gggrandfather as a simple crofter (with 4 >acres beside the old Spey Bridge at Grantown) who had worked as a grieve on >farms on the Castle Grant estate. Not of the social strata to have visiting >cards produced. But perhaps it was wealthy son Peter who decided that Dad >should be upgraded! >Canberra's photographic expo sounds fascinating, the place to be in 2008, >particularly for a (pre-digital) mad keen photographer... >Happy New Year, >Helen > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Carol I think we have been in touch before. You wrote: For the Younie side, George Younie = Helen Riach, their children - what did they do as children? What were their jobs and why did they go in that direction ? How many children do you have for George and Helen? I have found five and one was found this year! Margaret Elspet Younie born in 1881 and I have her in the 1891 and 1901 census, after that she disappears. Any further information seath notices etc don't mention her in anything. The gravestone in Rothes mentions James, John, Annie and Helen but not Margaret. Any ideas? Regards Dave