Hello listers Whilst browsing hopefully through old viewed images from Scotlandspeople I came across something I hadn't noticed before on a marriage certificate. John STEWART, age 27 (father John STUART and mother Jane THOMSON) was married on 23 April 1859 to Elizabeth MILNE, 26, at Milestone Cottage, Speymouth, Elgin. What I hadn't noticed before was that John was stated as a widower. Now I know that Elizabeth MILNE died in 1872 and John married Robina MCLEOD in 1874. I am descended from Robina and John. I would be interested in knowing the name of John's first wife, before Elizabeth. How would I find this information? I have not found a death certificate for John yet where his wives would likely be listed. I would appreciate any help given. Sheila.

Anne, Thank you AGAIN for the additional information. I took your advice from your previous reply and was able to find the marriage record. It gave me another clue...a connection to Alvah, so that is another avenue for me to pursue. As information, the 1806 St Nicholas marriage OPR reads: Mr. Jas. Donald School Master in Abdn & Charlotte McKinzie in Abdn of the Decd John (word "late" inserted) McKinzie School Master in Parish of Alvah ?: for both parties Willm Gordon Stationer in Sabbath of Tunsday or Tursday. Thanks again for all your help Anne..much appreciated! -Barbara Anne Burgess wrote: >> Does anyone have access to the OPRs and could take a look for >> me re: >> death of James and Charlotte or births of Robert and Margaret >> DONALD? >> > > Barbara, if there is no listing in the index at > www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and no listing on the IGI for these > baptisms, this means that they are not in the OPRs to start > with. > > The deaths in the Elgin Parish Register have been indexed and > are online in http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp but there > is no mention of James Donald or Charlotte Mackenzie. Even if > there were, it is unlikely that they would tell you anything you > don't already know as they normally give only the name, > husband's name (for a married woman) and date of death. In > particular the burial record of an adult does not tell you who > the person's parents were. > > There are no deaths or burials in the St Andrews-Lhanbryd parish > register. See > http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/hlpsrch/opr-cov.html > > All the extant legible gravestones in Moray were surveyed and > recorded in 1978-9, and these are indexed on LIBINDX too. Again, > there is nothing on James and Charlotte. > > I have a copy of the 1882 edition of Lachlan Shaw's 'History of > the Province of Moray' and have checked the parts referring to > St Andrews (Shaw himself died in 1777 and the 1882 edition was > reworked and greatly extended by J FS Gordon) and there is no > mention of schoolmasters, though there are lists of parish > ministers including of course William Leslie of Balnageith, who > was minister of St Andrews-Lhanbryd for a few weeks short of 60 > years, 1779-1839, and would certainly have known James Donald. > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. > > The only possible avenue I can think of is that it is just > possible that the St Andrews-Lhanbryd Kirk Session minutes might > contain some information about James Donald, for example it may > record his appointment. These are in the National Archives of > Scotland in Edinburgh, catalogue reference CH2/317. You would > need to get someone to go there for you, as they are not (yet) > available online. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It will be Newton of Cawdor if it is Croy John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] .uk _____ From: Cameron MCBAIN [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 January 2008 19:08 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MORAY] Fwd: Re: Forteath Family OK - how about Cul Beag? I have been trying to narrow down where this could be, since my GGGGG grandparents Angus and jean McBean were listed as being in Culbegg when they had their son William in 1778 - and that birth is registered in Croy, Nairnshire. Culbeag Newton of Cawdor IV12 IRA or Culbeag Blackwood Muir of Ord.Ross-shire 1V6 7UL are the two most likely... that is why I am wondering about this Newton that was written about in this forum. cam "Fisher (Holiday Enterprise) Ltd" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi folks, the problem is the Highlands is full of places called Newton. There are numerous place names which appear in several counties. Another is Rhives, there being one near Invergordon in Ross-shire and another near Golspie in Sutherland. Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cameron MCBAIN Sent: 05 January 2008 17:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [MORAY] Fwd: Re: Forteath Family Is this Newton place near cawdor of Nairnshire? Note: forwarded message attached. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05

> OK - how about Cul Beag? I have been trying to narrow down > where this could be, > since my GGGGG grandparents Angus and jean McBean were listed > as being in > Culbegg when they had their son William in 1778 - and that > birth is registered in Croy, > Nairnshire. > Culbeag, Newton of Cawdor, IV12 IRA > or > Culbeag, Blackwood, Muir of Ord.Ross-shire 1V6 7UL > are the two most likely... FWIW I think it is vanishingly unlikely that it would be the one at Muir of Ord. The parish registers are a record of the church's involvement with its parishioners. Hence they generally record the baptism of the children and the proclamation of marriage banns of the people of the parish. A baptism or marriage of a non-parishioner is almost always sufficiently remarkable for the parish of residence of that person to be noted in the registers, unless the place was so close to the parish that it was obvious where it was. Muir of Ord is two counties and several parishes removed from Cawdor, so any baptism of a child from there in Croy would say something like 'residing in Culbegg in the parish of Urray'. So I think you can discount that possibility altogether. As for Culbeag, Newton of Cawdor, the fact that it has a post code (the post code directory says IV12 5QY, not IV12 1RA, which doesn't actually exist as far as I can see, but no matter) means that there is an inhabited house there. So leaving aside the possibility that this is a brand new house upon which the name Culbeag has been arbitrarily bestowed, which parish does it belong to? I note from www.old-maps.co.uk that the boundary between Cawdor and Croy does not quite follow the course of the River Nairn - parts of the right bank are in the parish of Croy, including an area close to Newton of Cawdor. In 1841 the parish of Croy and Dalcross was partly in the county of Nairn and partly in the county of Inverness. In the census of that year Culbeg is listed in Enumeration District 2 of the Nairn part. Not all the places named in the census can easily be identified on the 1958 one-inch map, but some can. Culbeg is listed between Nairnside and Rosefield, and also listed is 'Bog', which is probably Bog of Cawdor. Bog of Cawdor and Rosefield are both on the right bank of the River Nairn. So I am 99% certain that Culbegg/Culbeg/Culbeag is in the parish of Croy and Dalcross, but on the right bank of the river, and therefore its modern address is logically listed under Cawdor, because that is how the postman would approach it now. Have you looked at the baptisms of the other three children of Angus MacBean and Jean Cameron? What do they say about where the family lived? Hope this helps. Anne

Hi folks, the problem is the Highlands is full of places called Newton. There are numerous place names which appear in several counties. Another is Rhives, there being one near Invergordon in Ross-shire and another near Golspie in Sutherland. Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cameron MCBAIN Sent: 05 January 2008 17:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [MORAY] Fwd: Re: Forteath Family Is this Newton place near cawdor of Nairnshire? Note: forwarded message attached. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05

OK - how about Cul Beag? I have been trying to narrow down where this could be, since my GGGGG grandparents Angus and jean McBean were listed as being in Culbegg when they had their son William in 1778 - and that birth is registered in Croy, Nairnshire. Culbeag Newton of Cawdor IV12 IRA or Culbeag Blackwood Muir of Ord.Ross-shire 1V6 7UL are the two most likely... that is why I am wondering about this Newton that was written about in this forum. cam "Fisher (Holiday Enterprise) Ltd" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi folks, the problem is the Highlands is full of places called Newton. There are numerous place names which appear in several counties. Another is Rhives, there being one near Invergordon in Ross-shire and another near Golspie in Sutherland. Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cameron MCBAIN Sent: 05 January 2008 17:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [MORAY] Fwd: Re: Forteath Family Is this Newton place near cawdor of Nairnshire? Note: forwarded message attached. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04/01/2008 12:05 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is this Newton place near cawdor of Nairnshire? Note: forwarded message attached.

> William Jnr and Ann had 9 children: William, Rachel, George, > Robert, Adam, Annie, > Jessie, Mary and Rachel between 1867 and 1889 in .... Granborn Are you sure that this isn't a misreading of Grantown? I am prepared to bet that there is nowhere of any significance named Granborn in this part of the world! Anne

Hi Dave, My William had a son named William who was born in Lanarkshire c1845 and married an Ann and was a china merchant/hawker like his father. From censuses I think William Jnr and Ann had 9 children: William, Rachel, George, Robert, Adam, Annie, Jessie, Mary and Rachel between 1867 and 1889in Rothes, Nairn, Granborn and Dingwall. I have quite a bit more information on the Watsons if you think this sounds like the one you've been tracing. Let me know what you think. Brian ---- DAVID FELL <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Brian > > 3. Any information on a William Watson who was a china merchant who lived in Rothes in the 1860s before moving to Nairn where he died in 1874 > > I am not sure but I have a William Watson who was born in Glasgow in 1846 and was a 'Hawker' and sometimes described as a China Merchant. I think that you maybe tracing my William's father? > > William (jnr) married in 1866 to Ann Riach, found her death in 1915 in Rothes. Between 1866 and her death in the various census they travelled around the North of Scotland. > > Any links? > > Regards > > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian 3. Any information on a William Watson who was a china merchant who lived in Rothes in the 1860s before moving to Nairn where he died in 1874 I am not sure but I have a William Watson who was born in Glasgow in 1846 and was a 'Hawker' and sometimes described as a China Merchant. I think that you maybe tracing my William's father? William (jnr) married in 1866 to Ann Riach, found her death in 1915 in Rothes. Between 1866 and her death in the various census they travelled around the North of Scotland. Any links? Regards Dave

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DeniseThompson77 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1291.2.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Rory, Thank you very much for your message. Can you please tell me whether Elizabeth Kellie who married Alexander Forteath was a daughter of John Kellie, farmer in Newmiln and his spouse Elizabeth Falconar? John died in 1719 and Elizabeth when she was 83. Both are buried in Alves. If you can confirm this I would appreciate any information relating to the Kellie and Falconar families in particular, and anything you are happy to share relating to your Forteath family. John Kellie is probably my X7 great grandfather. Regards, Denise Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My interests (and dead ends at the moment) are: 1. James Yule who married an Anne (or possibly Agnes) Peterkin in Nairn in 1766 and had twin sons John and Lewis in 1769. 2. Isobel Elder who was born c1785 and married the John Yule mentioned above and who came from Rosemarkie. 3. Any information on a William Watson who was a china merchant who lived in Rothes in the 1860s before moving to Nairn where he died in 1874 Many thanks, Brian

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rory136 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1291.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Denise & David I am a direct decendant of the Forteaths. I have good family records and in fact have portraits and photographs of most family members inclduing cousins. I alos have pictures of Newton before the fire and engravings of Newton. Let me know what information you would like and I will see if I can help you both out. Regards Rory Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Is this Newton place near Cawdor? Cam "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rory136 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/1291.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Denise & David I am a direct decendant of the Forteaths. I have good family records and in fact have portraits and photographs of most family members inclduing cousins. I alos have pictures of Newton before the fire and engravings of Newton. Let me know what information you would like and I will see if I can help you both out. Regards Rory Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year from the deep southern US..Katrina country! I join your optimism. For me, just when I thin it is all impossible, I find a small little key! so here goes. Looking for : Rhinds, Mustards and Cattells from 19th 18th century Morayshire. Probably Lossiemoth and Drainie. Possibly Aberdeenshire. Hoping for news or info, and lottery of all--photos or clippings! Specifics are: Alexander Cattell b. 1846 James Cattell Balnaglack Farm or Fyvie, Aberdeenshire [email protected] wrote: >Happy New Year everyone. > >I think this is a good time for us to re-post our interests and hope that >someone will pick up on a name or two. Perhaps some brick walls will crumble! I >am forever hoping....... > >STEWART > >John STEWART, born 1831 in Boharm, Banff/Moray, married Elizabeth MILNE and >had the following children: > >Eliza Ann STEWART b. 1863 >George Frederick b. 1867 >Alice Mary b. 1869 >James b. 1871 >Alexander b. 1872. Children born in Enzie > >John STEWART was widowed and then married Robina McLEOD in 1874 and had the >following children in Elgin, Morayshire. > >Jessie McLeod STEWART b. 1872 >William McLeod S. b. 1874 = Maggie Ann MATHESON >Jean S b. 1877 >Christina S. b. 1879 = Andrew Archibald McDONALD, my Grandparents, who lived >in Leith. > >Sheila. > > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

New to list.. seeking information on Reverend SIMON GRAY b 1701 d 1776 married to JANE GORDON DUNBAR, her vitals and parentage unknown. Unconfirmed information I have indicates that Jane is a direct descendant of John Dunbar, the 2nd son of the 11th Earl of Moray in 1372. Rev. Gray was the rector of the Scottish Episcopal Church at Duffus. Rev Gray was paying ?1000 per year for his wife although information does not indicate to whom the payment was made. This is documented in the History of Moray under the Episcopal Church. There were three children: Reverend ARCHIBALD GRAY- d in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada CHRISTIAN GRAY LILIAS GRAY (my ancestor) 1757-1839. She married ANDREW KEIR (1738-1822) Hazel Washington State, USA

Happy New Year to all - with a special mention to all at King Street. At Sheila's suggestion, herewith my interests DUNBAR - any place, any time. I maintain a Dunbar one-name study database, welcome queries and always grateful for any DUNBAR information. Pat Dunbar Patrick. R. L. Dunbar Organiser, Dunbar Family Society, UK Member, Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS. Member Guild of One-Name Studies. Email - [email protected] Web Page, family history - www.dunbarfamilysociety.org.uk Web Page, Art - www.debbiedunbar.net

To all; All the best for 2008 and above all, good hunting and all your brick walls come tumbling down. My three main items of interest are: 1) What became of the Twins, Alexander and Robert England, born to Robert and Agnes (Garioch) England, 6 November 1756, Rothes Parish, County of Moray, Scotland? I am interrested in contacting anyone with knowledge on this family. 2) Thomas Grooby Worrall, a wool comber by trade. Born c1715 in England. Immegrated to Massachusetts prior to 1765. 3) Thomas Dixon, b. 12 April 1799 in the Church parish of Broughton Sulney, Nottinghamshire. Parents were, John Dixon and Hannah (Buss) Dixon. Any information or suggestions on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. Jim Dixon [email protected]

Happy New Year! A lot of my brick walls have been smashed but I still have some. I am interested in the William BOWIE family of Aikenhead (outside of Lossiemouth). William BOWIE married Elspet BREMNER about 1810 and had a daughter Jane in 1818 who is my GGM. Jane married Lewis ANDERSON in 1836 in Elgin. Thanks, John C. Anderson Pflugerville, TX

Happy New Year everyone. I think this is a good time for us to re-post our interests and hope that someone will pick up on a name or two. Perhaps some brick walls will crumble! I am forever hoping....... STEWART John STEWART, born 1831 in Boharm, Banff/Moray, married Elizabeth MILNE and had the following children: Eliza Ann STEWART b. 1863 George Frederick b. 1867 Alice Mary b. 1869 James b. 1871 Alexander b. 1872. Children born in Enzie John STEWART was widowed and then married Robina McLEOD in 1874 and had the following children in Elgin, Morayshire. Jessie McLeod STEWART b. 1872 William McLeod S. b. 1874 = Maggie Ann MATHESON Jean S b. 1877 Christina S. b. 1879 = Andrew Archibald McDONALD, my Grandparents, who lived in Leith. Sheila.