> Son William Logan did not know his date of birth on his > marriage certificate > in 1855 to Jane Henderson, but he is listed as 20 years old, > this was in > Draine Lossiemouth LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp indexes a death notice in the 'Northern Scot' which says that Jane Henderson died on 3 May 1900 at 7 Commerce Street, Lossiemouth. > Son John Logan born 1856 Married Jessie Mckay 1876 Burghead > Duffus Moray > daughter of John Mckay and Ann Dick In 1881 John Logan, cooper, 24, was living at 5 Mitchell Street, Lossiemouth with wife Jessie, 23 and sons William, 3, born Aberdeen and James, 9 months, born Burghead. > Does anyone know anything more of the Mckay couple Acording to the IGI at www.familysearch.org.uk John McKay and Ann Dick were married in the parish of Duffus on 24 September 1840 and had the following children Charles, born 11 February 1855 Janet, born 10 March 1857 Virgina, born 1 July 1859 Helen, born 1 October 1861 These are the ones 'extracted' from the parish registers. However there are several others 'submitted' (including several listed as 'Of Burghead, Drainie'. Burghead is not in the parish of Drainie; it is in the parish of Duffus, and the use of the word 'Of' is automatically suspect, because in Scotland 'of', correctly used, implies a landowner or member of the gentry. It is, however, used in the IGI merely to indicate that whoever submitted the information believed that that was where the individual came from or lived.) The gap between the marriage in 1840 and the first properly listed child in 1855 does indeed suggest that there may have been several other children before 1855, and the birth certificate of Charles in 1855 will tell you how many children Ann had had up to and including Charles, and how many of them were still living at that date. The 1841 census lists John and Ann McKay, both aged 20, living in Dunbar Street, Burghead. The 1851 lists John Mackay, fisherman, aged 33, wirh wife Ann, 33 and children James, 9, Margt, 7, Ann, 2 and John, 6 months, all born in Duffus. It looks as if one or two between Margaret and Ann could have died in infancy. There is a gap in the IGI in the parish of Duffus between 1820 and 1854, so it is quite possible that these baptisms are in the parish register. Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is likely to have them in its index. > William Logan son of John and Jessie, married Cassandra > Mckenzie in 1899 in > Hosstowie Elgin (is this still Moray? ) It is Mosstowie, not Hosstowie. It is a few miles west of the town of Elgin, and still in the parish of Elgin in the county of Moray. > Does anyone know what become of > Mary Ann Tulloch Logan born 1858 Drainie Moray > William Logan born 1861 > Jane Logan born 1862 > Isabella born 1864 In the 1881 census, William Logan, seaman, aged 46, born Ireland, lived with wife Jane, 46 and daughters Mary Ann and Isabella at 11 High Street, Lossiemouth (parish of Drainie). No sign in the north of Scotland CD of William or Jane. Hope this helps. Anne

Hello Sheila. Do you have any knowledge of your John Stewart haveing a brother or other close relative named James? I have a James Stewart born April 1831 in Boryland, Ardlach (parish of), Nairn and who lived his adult life and died October 1904 in Forres. Forres being some 15 miles from Elgin I thought there might be a connection. If you do have such a link, I could let you have a fair amount about my James Stewart and down to me. Regards Ian Macwhirter

> My Gt. Grandfather John STEWART died in 1904 at a hospital in > Elgin - looks > like Gray's. Dr Gray's Hospital is the general hospital in Elgin. It was founded in 1815. > Libindx gives a headstone reference but no cemetery is named. The reference is NE(E)239 which refers to New Elgin East Cemetery. Apart from the old Cathedral burial ground, this is the only cemetery in Elgin, and it is divided into North, South, East and West divisions. > A headstone reference - is this a definite stone or likely to > be the lair > number? It is a headstone. You can search for other people mentioned on the headstone by putting just the headstone reference in the search screen. In this case, however, no-one else is apparently mentioned on the stone. > I have been shown in the past the location of an ancestor's > grave, but no > stone, in Leith. Yes, that's quite common. > I had hoped that all John's wives would be mentioned on his > death > certificate but only my Gt. Grandmother is mentioned, Robina > McLEOD. Then again, why > would anyone particularly want to mention previous wives, > unless, I suppose, > they were the offspring of one of the earlier wives? It's not a case of 'wanting'. The rules say that a death certificate should list the names of all the spouses of an individual. But this would depend on the informant knowing the names of all the previous spouses, which may not be the case. HTH Anne

Do you have any knowledge of your John Stewart haveing a brother or other close relative named James? I have a James Stewart born April 1831 in Boryland, Ardlach (parish of), Nairn and who lived his adult life and died October 1904 in Forres. Hello Ian I am not aware of any of John's siblings at all. I haven't found any so far. He was known as John STEWART or THOMPSON and that had me wondering if he was illegitimate. His mother was Jane THOMPSON. John did have a son James born 1871 so he could have been called after an uncle. John's children were: Marriage to Elizabeth MILNE - Eliza Ann 1863 George Frederick 1867 Alice Mary 1869 Alexander 1872 Children from marriage to Robina McLEOD:- Jessie McLeod STEWART 1872 William McLeod S 1874 Jean 1877 Christina 1879 - my grandmother. Perhaps some of the family names will ring a bell with you. I have just realised two children b. 1872 to two different women! Elizabeth Milne died in 1872 - premature labour. I'll have to check that out. Sheila.

I have an ancestor that left Scotland and settled in what is now, Miramichi, Northumberland County, New Brunswick. His name was Robert ENGLAND. I am trying to determine where in Scotland he came from and when he came across the pond. To complicate things, New Brunswick separated from Nova Scotia. The date of separation was January 1784. The earliest record that I found on my Robert ENGLAND in the NB archives is in a land grant application dated March 1784. ( He did receive the grant). In the grant application it states that Robert England had built a house on the property. This tells me that he arrived in the area in or before 1783. Are there any records in the NS archives, I do not know? I am unable to make the 4 1/2 hour trip due to health problems. My research to find Robert England in Scotland points to a possible match of one "Robert England", b 6 Nov, 1756, Rothes, County of Moray, Scotland, s/o Robert England and Agnes Garioch. The time frame is right. Also I have not found a marriage for this Robert, nor have I been able to trace him. My question is: Is there a website that lists the ships that left Scotland for (then Nova Scotia) Canada between about 1780 and 1783? Did any of these ships carry passengers and if so, are there passenger lists? Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jim Dixon Canada

Hi I am new to the list, and hoped that someone may be researching the Logan's, from Moray My line goes back i think to Limerick in Ireland, with James Logan and Mary Burns/es married in 1839 in Limerick Son William Logan did not know his date of birth on his marriage certificate in 1855 to Jane Henderson, but he is listed as 20 years old, this was in Draine Lossiemouth Son John Logan born 1856 Married Jessie Mckay 1876 Burghead Duffus Moray daughter of John Mckay and Ann Dick Does anyone know anything more of the Mckay couple William Logan son of John and Jessie, married Cassandra Mckenzie in 1899 in Hosstowie Elgin (is this still Moray? ) I only have three children for Cassandra and William though i know there were more and have the marriages for the three that i do have with the eldest Jessie being my grandmother what I am really asking is for any help with the earlier generations of this line Does anyone know what become of Mary Ann Tulloch Logan born 1858 Drainie Moray William Logan born 1861 Jane Logan born 1862 Isabella born 1864 Would love to hear from anyone with these lines in there tree Thanking you all in advance Kirsteen

Dear Listers My Gt. Grandfather John STEWART died in 1904 at a hospital in Elgin - looks like Gray's. His usual address was North St. Bishopmill, Elgin. Libindx gives a headstone reference but no cemetery is named. Would this be in Bishopmill or Elgin itself? A headstone reference - is this a definite stone or likely to be the lair number? I have been shown in the past the location of an ancestor's grave, but no stone, in Leith. I had hoped that all John's wives would be mentioned on his death certificate but only my Gt. Grandmother is mentioned, Robina McLEOD. Then again, why would anyone particularly want to mention previous wives, unless, I suppose, they were the offspring of one of the earlier wives? Sheila.

> I need some suggestions for researching. I have been trying > to find the parents of George > BRODIE, b. not verified (only IGI). > If the IGI is correct and George BRODIE was born 5 Oct 1759 in > Forres, Moray, This George Brodie was born on 3 and baptised on 5 October 1769, not 1759, according to thre IGI > where should I look for christening records in Forres? www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk where you can download images of the original baptisms and banns at modest cost. > From the IGI it appears that his parents were Francis BRODIE > and Anne ANDERSON, but i can't > verify the connection. It is going to be extremely difficult to prove a connection, unless you get something like 'Francis Brodie in Forres, grandfather to the child' listed as witness to one of the baptisms. Day labourers in the late 18th century are seldom well documented. Bear in mind that the further back you go, the fewer baptisms and banns are listed in the parish registers. You absolutely must not assume that, just because this is the only George Brodie in the parish registers, he is the right one. I note that as well as George, son of Francis Brodie and Anne Anderson, there were two George Brodies born in Alves and one born in St-Andrews-Lhanbryd in the 1750s who could have been getting married in 1791. I assume that you have looked at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp and have found the listings there of Francis Brodie and Anne Anderson? Re James Brodie. The Elgin parish register lists the dates of burials in the Cathedral churchyard before 1855, and often gives the age of the person buried. The register has been indexed on LIBINDX, and I see that the only James Brodie listed is one who died in 1819, no age given. I also note that the transcriptions of the 1841 and 1851 censuses on http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl do not list any James Brodies at all in Elgin. Hope this helps (though I suspect it probably doesn't). Anne

Hello list, I just wanted to publicly thank Anne Burgess, who solicited the help of Ron MacGregor of the Heritage Center, for all their efforts in locating the children of James DONALD and Charlotte McKENZIE. Thank you Mr. MacGregor for going that extra mile and thank you Anne for taking the initiative to help others. My sincerest thanks, Barbara Nellesen Georgia, USA

Barbara, I would second your accolades for Ron and Anne. They do an often thankless job helping us search for our family and do not get enough e-mails like your. And we can add Graeme in the Heritage Center to the list. They are priceless! Barbara Nellesen <[email protected]> wrote: Hello list, I just wanted to publicly thank Anne Burgess, who solicited the help of Ron MacGregor of the Heritage Center, for all their efforts in locating the children of James DONALD and Charlotte McKENZIE. Thank you Mr. MacGregor for going that extra mile and thank you Anne for taking the initiative to help others. My sincerest thanks, Barbara Nellesen Georgia, USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Thanks, John C. Anderson Pflugerville, TX

G'day Cobbers, I have the following GRANT ancestry:- Descendants of Jane & Francis GRANT Francis GRANT, relationship: [Is the 4th great grand father of KGB]. He married Jane GRANT, married 07 Sep 1797 in Rhynie, Cabrach, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, relationship: [Is the 4th great grand mother of KGB]. I. Helen GRANT, b. 1800 in Crosshill/Cabrach, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 09 May 1871 in Muir of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Domestic Servant/Pauper, relationship: [Is the great-great-great-grand mother of KGB]. Partner Robert CLARK, not married b. 1795 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, (son of Jerome CLARK and Helen GRANT) d. 25 Apr 1878 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Master Mill Wright, relationship: [Is the great- great-great-grand father of KGB] A. Mary CLARK, b. 04 Apr 1833 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Scotland, christened 28 Apr 1833 in Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 07 Jun 1897 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, buried in Essil Cemetery (No 379), Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, relationship : [Is the great-great-grand mother of KGB]. She married Charles McLEAN, married 10 Jul 1856 in Rhynie, Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1833 in Whitehills, Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, Scotland, (son of Charles McLEAN and Jean BRODIE) d. 22 Mar 1902 in Church Street, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, buried in Essil Cemetery, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, occupation Master Blacksmith, relationship : [Is the great-great-grand father of KGB]. II. John GRANT, b. 28 Nov 1803 in Cabrach, Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, Scotland, christened 28 Nov 1803 in Cabrach, Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, Scotland, relationship: [Is the great-great-great-great uncle of KGB]. Anybody know of any further members or are related to this family? Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: [email protected] All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BEASLEY - Qld, AUS BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG EVANS - Shropshire, ENG FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm

G'day Cobbers, Below is my CLARK/CLERK ancestry:- Descendants of Helen Grant & Jerome CLARK Jerome CLARK, also known as Surname is also spelt as 'CLERK' and 'CLARKE' in various records & documents, occupation Farmer, relationship [Is the 4th great grandfather of KGB]. He married Helen GRANT, married 23 Apr 1793 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1771 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. I. Robert CLARK, b. 1795 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 25 Apr 1878 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Master Mill Wright. Partner Helen GRANT, not married b. 1800 in Crosshill/Cabrach, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, (daughter of Francis GRANT and Jane GRANT) d. 09 May 1871 in Muir of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Domestic Servant/Pauper, never married. A. Mary CLARK, b. 04 Apr 1833 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Scotland, christened 28 Apr 1833 in Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 07 Jun 1897 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, buried in Essil Cemetery (No 379), Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, relationship: [Is the great-great-grand mother of KGB]. She married Charles McLEAN, married 10 Jul 1856 in Rhynie, Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1833 in Whitehills, Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, Scotland, (son of Charles McLEAN and Jean BRODIE) d. 22 Mar 1902 in Church Street, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, buried in Essil Cemetery, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland (see note 3), occupation Master Blacksmith, relationship : [Is the great-great-grand father of KGB]. II. Jerome CLARK, b. Abt 1801 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 21 Jul 1872 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Scotland, occupation Hob Thacker, never married occupation Cattle Dealer. III. David CLARK, christened 15 Mar 1810 in Rhynie And Essie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. IV. Helen CLARK, b. Abt 1821 in Kildrummie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Housekeeper. It is most likely that as Jerome CLARK and Helen GRANT, who were married in 1793, that they had additional child prior to the birth of Robert in 1795, there being a 2 year gap between their marriage date and Robert's birth. The next child I have is Jerome CLARK, born Abt 1801, some six years later and it seems unlikely that there weren't other children born before Jerome during this six year period. There would also have been further child between the birth of David CLARK (b. 1810) & Helen CLARK (b. 1821), only problem is finding them!! Anybody able to assist me. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: [email protected] Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

I need some suggestions for researching. I have been trying to find the parents of George BRODIE, b. not verified (only IGI). He married Margaret ANDERSON of Stotsfield, 26 Jul 1791, Kinnnedar Church, Lossiemouth (from Drainie Parish Records). I have the christening records of their children. Here is what I know: William BRODIE, c. 3 Dec 1792, Elgin, Moray. He married Ann GUNN 13 Feb 1829 in Forres, Moray. They are listed in Elgin in the 1841 Census. He died 1 May 1879, Elgin, Moray and is buried in the Elgin Cathedral. Margaret BRODIE, c. 19 Dec 1797, Elgin, Moray. She died 1885. It seems quite unlikely that there were only two children. There is also a James BRODIE buried in the same grave in the Elgin Cemetery. If the IGI is correct and George BRODIE was born 5 Oct 1759 in Forres, Moray, where should I look for christening records in Forres? >From the IGI it appears that his parents were Francis BRODIE and Anne ANDERSON, but i can't verify the connection. George was listed as a day laborer on the records of their children's christening. Chris Brodie Burk Albuquerque, NM

1851 Census it looks like Wm BRODIE is age 57 Gardener at Elgin Burgh living Littlejohn's Close; Ann is 53, George 19, Gardeners Apprentice, Mary 15 Scholar, Wm 12, Scholar, Helen 10 Scholar, and John 8 scholar. this from freecen.rootsweb.com...... Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "BILL & CHRIS BURK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Judy" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: [MORAY] BRODIE Brick Wall >I need some suggestions for researching. I have been trying to find the >parents of George BRODIE, b. not verified (only IGI). > He married Margaret ANDERSON of Stotsfield, 26 Jul 1791, Kinnnedar > Church, Lossiemouth (from Drainie Parish Records). > > I have the christening records of their children. Here is what I know: > > William BRODIE, c. 3 Dec 1792, Elgin, Moray. He married Ann GUNN 13 Feb > 1829 in Forres, Moray. > They are listed in Elgin in the 1841 Census. > He died 1 May 1879, Elgin, Moray and is buried in the Elgin Cathedral. > > Margaret BRODIE, c. 19 Dec 1797, Elgin, Moray. She died 1885. > > It seems quite unlikely that there were only two children. > There is also a James BRODIE buried in the same grave in the Elgin > Cemetery. > > If the IGI is correct and George BRODIE was born 5 Oct 1759 in Forres, > Moray, where should I look for christening records in Forres? >>From the IGI it appears that his parents were Francis BRODIE and Anne >>ANDERSON, but i can't verify the connection. > > George was listed as a day laborer on the records of their children's > christening. > > Chris Brodie Burk > Albuquerque, NM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'm finding 4 children born Elgin.........to Wm and Ann Gunn/Gun....using again the Hugh Wallis site...... off the top of my head-- a George and 3 daughters. So then I would be looking for a father of Wm to be George.........MAYBE........ I would suggest looking at the OPR film at a center and seeing who the witnesses are and then what the wedding banns say.....And use Scotlands people for more info on the deaths, and marriages for after 1855 to confirm it.. ....Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "BILL & CHRIS BURK" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Judy" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: [MORAY] BRODIE Brick Wall >I need some suggestions for researching. I have been trying to find the >parents of George BRODIE, b. not verified (only IGI). > He married Margaret ANDERSON of Stotsfield, 26 Jul 1791, Kinnnedar > Church, Lossiemouth (from Drainie Parish Records). > > I have the christening records of their children. Here is what I know: > > William BRODIE, c. 3 Dec 1792, Elgin, Moray. He married Ann GUNN 13 Feb > 1829 in Forres, Moray. > They are listed in Elgin in the 1841 Census. > He died 1 May 1879, Elgin, Moray and is buried in the Elgin Cathedral. > > Margaret BRODIE, c. 19 Dec 1797, Elgin, Moray. She died 1885. > > It seems quite unlikely that there were only two children. > There is also a James BRODIE buried in the same grave in the Elgin > Cemetery. > > If the IGI is correct and George BRODIE was born 5 Oct 1759 in Forres, > Moray, where should I look for christening records in Forres? >>From the IGI it appears that his parents were Francis BRODIE and Anne >>ANDERSON, but i can't verify the connection. > > George was listed as a day laborer on the records of their children's > christening. > > Chris Brodie Burk > Albuquerque, NM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> Is there anyone on the list that > know of any Hawthorne's living in Elgin area? > Catherine There are none listed in the BT online telephone directory. Anne

> What I hadn't noticed before was that John was stated as a > widower. Now I > know that Elizabeth MILNE died in 1872 and John married > Robina MCLEOD in 1874. > I would be interested in knowing the > name of John's first wife, before > Elizabeth. I see from the IGI that John was born in Boharm on 2 June 1831, and that John Stewart, aged 19, was an unmarried apprentice blacksmith in the 1851 census in Rhynie and Essie. So he must have been married after 1851 and before 1859. You could go to the IGI and search for marriages of a John Stewart between these dates, and make a note of every potential couple. Then use the 'father' and 'mother' boxes in the IGI to get a list of all the children born to any of these couples, and cross off any who had a child born after the date of your John's marriage to Elizabeth Stewart. Then use SP to look for deaths of the remaining wives. I had a go at doing this, and found the following: An Isabella Sandison married a John Stewart in Rhynie and Essie on 21 April 1854. This couple had one daughter, Helen Stewart, born 15 January 1856 in Mortlach. Isabella Sandison, married, aged 26, daughter of George Sandison and Helen Sandison MS Kemp, died at Newley, Mortlach on 8 February 1856, and her death was registered by John Stewart, husband. Q E D. Except that, unusually, Isabella's death was registered *only* under her maiden name, and not cross-referenced by her married name. Anne

Is anyone else researching the family of James Stewart b.1831 in Forres Moray. Married Annabella McPherson in 1855. James died 1904. There were 9 children. Amongst them: Alexander emigrated to Tasmania - I have traced his descendents. Another was a James whose own children included a Harry Waterston Stewart, he became a dentist in Edinburgh and was killed in a car crash in 1950. I'm trying to locate his daughter Veronica Ann. Another child of James Stewart (snr) was Annabella Stewart who married Francis McWhirter from whom I am directly descended. In 1950 there was litigation over James' (snr) will and anyone associated with his family will know of this and the Great Fuss in the family. The father of the above James Stewart (snr) was possibly named Donald. I would be grateful for any lead SKS can give me about this substantial family - aside from the Tasmanian links all contact with descendents of the remaining 7 children are lost. Thanks Ian Macwhirter

> Does anyone have access to the OPRs and could take a look for > me re: > death of James and Charlotte or births of Robert and Margaret > DONALD? Barbara, if there is no listing in the index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and no listing on the IGI for these baptisms, this means that they are not in the OPRs to start with. The deaths in the Elgin Parish Register have been indexed and are online in http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp but there is no mention of James Donald or Charlotte Mackenzie. Even if there were, it is unlikely that they would tell you anything you don't already know as they normally give only the name, husband's name (for a married woman) and date of death. In particular the burial record of an adult does not tell you who the person's parents were. There are no deaths or burials in the St Andrews-Lhanbryd parish register. See http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/famrec/hlpsrch/opr-cov.html All the extant legible gravestones in Moray were surveyed and recorded in 1978-9, and these are indexed on LIBINDX too. Again, there is nothing on James and Charlotte. I have a copy of the 1882 edition of Lachlan Shaw's 'History of the Province of Moray' and have checked the parts referring to St Andrews (Shaw himself died in 1777 and the 1882 edition was reworked and greatly extended by J FS Gordon) and there is no mention of schoolmasters, though there are lists of parish ministers including of course William Leslie of Balnageith, who was minister of St Andrews-Lhanbryd for a few weeks short of 60 years, 1779-1839, and would certainly have known James Donald. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The only possible avenue I can think of is that it is just possible that the St Andrews-Lhanbryd Kirk Session minutes might contain some information about James Donald, for example it may record his appointment. These are in the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh, catalogue reference CH2/317. You would need to get someone to go there for you, as they are not (yet) available online. Anne

Is there anyone on the list that know of any Hawthorne's living in Elgin area? Catherine