Can you recall if there was anything on KIRKNEY, Gartly area? Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin Bell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Gordon Castle / Family > Further to what has been posted, I know that there are number of Estate > Plans from the Gordon Estates with the National Archives of Scotland. > The ones I have seen (which were made available at West Register Hous, > but may well be held offsite) dated from 1770 -1810. The ones I was > interested in were mostly in rural parts of the estate, and some > included names of occupants of various farms. > > > Gavin Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim Not as far as I am aware. Ian

Thanks listers for your help re Gordon Castle Part of the puzzle now solved, hope now to find names staff who were employed there Jill----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldie & Lido Doratti" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Castle Gordon/ Family > It's very close to Fochabers, just slightly NW of it. Goldie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maggie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:19 AM > Subject: [MORAY] Castle Gordon/ Family > > > >------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1234 - Release Date: 1/20/2008 2:15 PM > >

Hi Anne Thanks for clarifying the position as regards Gordon Castle and the land. After I had posted the message I found some more information which clearly indicated that the ownership had changed. However, as I said I did find some minor references in the archives at Edinburgh and amongst them there was the mention of the estate workers being invited to the Castle for a pre-Christmas meal. My transpiration of the visit read as follows: A visit to the National Archives of Scotland at General Register House, Edin burgh to examine some of the papers relating to Gordon Castle found several references to Andrew Scott working as a Sawyer and his attendance during the period 1835 to 1839 at what appear to have been annual functions held in Gordon Castle for the workers. There was also one reference to Andrew Scott being paid £1.16/- for 24 days work in the sawmill in 1842. But it is probable he worked on the Estate in various capacities as he is mentioned as being a Carter in 1834 and 1835. The papers included copies of an 'invitation' to the annual function and one of these was transcribed in full and is included here. "In giving tickets to the workmen they are to be made to understand that no one can possibly be admitted till they give their ticket at the Door. Each may give a ticket to his wife, daughter or female friend if he wishes it but the name of each of these females must be sent to the Carpenter's Shop at the Castle by ten o'clock tomorrow when their tickets will be given out and must be produced at the Door before admittance. The men to dine at a quarter before four o'clock on Wednesday first, the 8th November and the women to be asked to come at six." Gordon Castle Monday, November, 6th, 1837 The one for the previous year was couched in similar terms but the men were to dine at 4 o'clock and the ball, when the women were to join the company, was to commence at half past five. Included in that 'invitation' there were words 'females to be of good moral character' and at the bottom 'Each man to take with him a knife, fork and spoon'. In 1837 106 men and 60 women attended and the record shows the provisions consumed and the costs were: 354 1/2 Pounds of Beef (marked barely sufficient) £8.17.3 2 cheeses for evening 65 bottles of whisky £5. 2.11 nearly 4 Ankers beer £1. 0. 0 60 loaves ) 18 doz hard biscuits ) £2. 5. 6 Grocers Bill £4. 9. 1 Hire of stoneware 15. 0 A total bill of £22 . 9s .9d or expressed in decimal format £22.49 (Note: An Anker, as far as I can ascertain, is equivalent to 10 wine gallons.) The band and servants were thirteen in number. The 1836 bill was a bit cheaper as it totalled £15 with the Meat costing £4.8/- and the whisky £5.4/- and that appears to have provided for around 200. In each case there was a full list of the names of those present at the function. I hope this is of some interest to readers of the messages on the list. Ian A C Scott .

Hi Hazel I am not sure what you mean as regards nasty words. If you are referring to the fact that family/estate papers are now in England rather than Scotland it has to be remembered that many of these are still in private family holdings not in open access at the National Archives either in Scotland or England. In the case of Gordon Castle the estate and title belongs to the Duke of Richmond and Gordon whose principal seat, I believe, is in England. If this is correct then it would be natural to find the private estate records there. Ian A C Scott

Ian, Would this list be available on line? Jim On 22-Jan-08, at 5:21 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > In each case there was a full list of the names of those present at > the > function. > > I hope this is of some interest to readers of the messages on the > list. > > Ian A C Scott

Our Secretary - Barbara Johnson That is terrible - I keep hearing these nasty words from so many Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Castle Gordon/ Family > Hi Maggie > > I found some Gordon Castle archive material at West Register House in > Edinburgh which included some information on staff but not a lot. I > suspect that > the main family archives are now in England and only some material of a > more > general nature relative to the estate are in Edinburgh. > > Ian A C Scott > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

> >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:31:04 +1100 >From: "VUnderwo" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [MORAY] Castle Gordon/ Family >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Listers >Could any lister advise me where Castle Gordon is located and if anyone >has >any info of names of staff who may have been employed there >Thanks >Jill I am not sure if it is any help but I found references to Gordon Castle records at the online catalogue of the National Archives of Scotland http://www.nas.gov.uk/catalogues/default.asp And the National Register http://212.140.253.244/NRAS/DServe.exe?dsqApp=Site20&dsqCmd=Index.tcl I assumed they held the records but Anne might be right and they are down in Goodwood. -- Maggie "The pursuit of Truth and Beauty is a sphere of activity in which we are permitted to remain children all our lives." Albert Einstein

Hi Maggie I found some Gordon Castle archive material at West Register House in Edinburgh which included some information on staff but not a lot. I suspect that the main family archives are now in England and only some material of a more general nature relative to the estate are in Edinburgh. Ian A C Scott

G'day Cobbers, Thanks to another researcher I now have additional information on my CLARK(E) ancestry and am reposting in the hope of finding out further information on this family. Jerome CLARK, Surname is also spelt as 'CLERK' and 'CLARKE' in various records & documents, occupation Farmer, relationship : [Is the 4th great grandfather of KGB]. He married Helen GRANT, married 23 Apr 1793 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1771 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland. I. Robert CLARK, b. 1795 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 25 Apr 1878 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Master Mill Wright, relationship : [Is the great-great-great-grand father of KGB]. Partner Helen GRANT, not married b. 1800 in Crosshill/Cabrach, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, (daughter of Francis GRANT and Jane GRANT) d. 09 May 1871 in Muir of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Domestic Servant/Pauper, relationship : [Is the great-great-great-grand mother of KGB]. A. Mary CLARK, b. 04 Apr 1833 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Scotland, christened 28 Apr 1833 in Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 07 Jun 1897 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, buried in Essil Cemetery (No 379), Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, relationship : [Is the great-great-grand mother of KGB]. She married Charles McLEAN, married 10 Jul 1856 in Rhynie, Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1833 in Whitehills, Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, Scotland, (son of Charles McLEAN and Jean BRODIE) d. 22 Mar 1902 in Church Street, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, buried in Essil Cemetery, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, occupation Master Blacksmith, relationship : [Is the great-great-grand father of KGB]. II. William CLARK, b. Abt 1798 in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1871 in Victoria, Australia. III. Jerome CLARK, b. Abt 1801 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. 21 Jul 1872 in Bruntland, Rhynie, Scotland, occupation Hob Thacker, never married occupation Cattle Dealer. IV. David CLARKE, christened 15 Mar 1810 in Rhynie And Essie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1886 in Piggoreet nr Scarsdale, Victoria, Australia, relationship : [Is the great-great-great-great uncle of KGB]. He married Jane BUIE, married 11 Jul1835 in Cairnie By Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1815, (daughter of John BUIE and Unknown UNKNOWN) d. Abt 1886 in Piggoreet nr Scarsdale, Victoria, Australia. A. John CLARKE, b. 06 Dec 1836 in Auchindoir, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1919 in Piggoreet nr Scarsdale, Victoria, Australia. He married Mary Jane NEWCOMEN, (daughter of William W NEWCOMEN and Matilda EGAN). B. Helen (Ellen) CLARKE, b. 17 Jun 1835, christened 11 Jul 1835 in Cairnie By Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1923 in Colac, Victoria, Australia, relationship : [Is the first cousin, four times removed of KGB]. She married William CHRISTIE, married 11 Nov 1858 in Church of Scotland, Manda, Geelong, Victoria, Australia, b. Abt 1830, (son of James CHRISTIE and Elizabeth CLARKE) d. Abt 1929 in Colac, Victoria, Australia. V. Ann CLARKE, b. Abt 1801, d. Abt 1883 in Kyneton, Victoria, Australia. She married James THOMSON, married 01 Jul 1829 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. A. Ann THOMSON, b. 08 Jun 1843 in Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. VI. Hellen CLARK, b. Abt 1821 in Kildrummie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, occupation Housekeeper. Look forward to hearing from anybody who can assist me in my research. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: [email protected] Helen's Stolen Generation Radio Program: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 Researching Surnames: BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MASSON - Ross Shire>Ayrshire, SCT MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS PROCTOR - Elgin, Moray, SCT RAFFAN - Banff, SCT ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT STUART - Moray, SCT SUTHERLAND - Moray, SCT WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand http://www.abc.net.au/rn/history/hindsight/default.htm

It's very close to Fochabers, just slightly NW of it. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: [MORAY] Castle Gordon/ Family >------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, have you been waiting for me to ask for Christmas Dinner Guests. This year the festive time seems to have come up so quickly, that it is now the big day within a matter of hours and my tree is not up yet !! I have just organised my guest list and this is how it goes :- I seem to always ask my grandad, John Riach and my grandma (who I never knew) Gladys Brayshaw Grace Rhind Duncan (phew). This year also I would invite my two uncles and aunt and my mum, mainly to recall what their childhood was like and what they did at Christmas. I would ask grandad about the tinker who wrote a poem about him when he was a child and if the stories in the lines were true. Alexander Fridge (Frigg) Riach would also be asked to partake in the day and I would ask him what was the reason for his journey to America. Now, Boxing Day, the Hay family and the Younie family would be welcome. All the relations of Ann Hay. I would ask what was their life like and so many other questions that I would have to prepare a list. For the Younie side, George Younie = Helen Riach, their children - what did they do as children? What were their jobs and why did they go in that direction ? What did you all eat at Christmas ? Was it a special day ? How long a holiday did you have and how much time from school ? So many questions, so many family members. I think I'll get the caterers in !!! Let me and the list know who you would invite this year. The same people as last year, that dosn't matter as there will be more questions that have arisen over the past 12 months. May I now close by wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Peaceful New Year filled with lots of family history questions solved. Best wishes to you and yours Carol List Admin

Hi Listers Could any lister advise me where Castle Gordon is located and if anyone has any info of names of staff who may have been employed there Thanks Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Hawthorne's" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:09 AM Subject: [MORAY] Castle Gordon/ Family > > > > Hello Maggie, > > > > My husbands, Grandfather a George Geddes took in a child > > to raise her name was Winnie. For years we thought she was a Geddes but > > Winnie told us the story she was given to the Geddes family to raise. > Winnie > > was really Winnie Walker. She later married a Grant. > > > > You mentioned in one of your emails about Castle Gordon. > > Do you know the house between the two bridges? The house was built for the > > water bailiff who is a relative of my husbands, Alexander Geddes, > 1847-1931 > > The house is called the "Gate House". "The Gate House" was built with the > > same stone as Castle Gordon. > > > > The Lady who owns the Gate House now took us on a tour > of > > her house in 1998 I wonder if she is still alive her name was Winifred. > > > > Baxter Soups was on Castle Gordon land. Baxter worked > > for Castle Gordon as a gardener. The story is his wife made good soup and > > was encouraged to go into business. Hence Baxter Soups. > > > > Bye for now, > > Catherine > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maggie Symon" <[email protected]> > > To: "The Hawthorne's" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Where can I go from here? > > > > > > > In message <[email protected]>, The Hawthorne's > > > <[email protected]> writes > > > >Hello Maggie, > > > > Are you related to the Geddes family ? I have geddes in my > > family > > > >tree from Elgin area and Burghead. > > > >Bye for now, > > > >Catherine > > > > > > Hi Catherine > > > > > > As far as I can *prove* I am not related to any Geddes family; the > > > Geddes middle name my Grandfather has a mystery and first appears on his > > > *death* certificate. It isn't a family name, might be his father's > > > name, or could be just that his mother was working for the Geddes in > > > Auchenreath, Bellie in the 1901 census and he grew up there as a child. > > > Being able to find a birth certificate for him might throw some light on > > > it. ;-( I am afraid my direct line has been embedded in Bellie since > > > about 1768, though I have just tracked down one of Mary Lobban's son's > > > in Glasgow. ;-) > > > > > > Bye > > > Maggie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Maggie" <[email protected]> > > > >To: <[email protected]> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:40 AM > > > >Subject: [MORAY] Where can I go from here? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Anyone have any suggestions what I can try next? I have two > blocks > > > >> which I can't find on Scotland's People or Elgin Registrars Office > > > >> despite having dates I think are reliable. > > > >> > > > >> James Geddes Symon > > > >> b 17 March 1903 (Navy Record of Service Document, 1939-44 and death > > > >> records, 1974) > > > >> Mother was Margaret Symon > > > >> > > > >> Would he have to supply a birth certificate to the navy in 1939? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Mary Thomson (nee Lobban) > > > >> b c1800, Burghnamary, Boharm (Bellie Parish Poor Relief Records, > > 1866-77 > > > >> and census 1841-71) > > > >> m 29 Jan 1821 to George Thomson in Bellie (Banns) > > > >> d 2 Oct 1877 (Bellie Parish Poor Relief Records, 1866-77) > > > >> > > > >> I have read the Boharm OPR between 1795-1805 and searched the death > > > >> records between 1872-81 on SP and the Registrars. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Also any suggestions how I can get further back than: > > > >> > > > >> James Thomson and Mary Gordon > > > >> b unknown - outside Bellie > > > >> m 21 Nov 1768 in Bellie (banns) > > > >> > > > >> I am wondering if they came to Spey Bay for the start of the Spey > > > >> Fishery Company in 1765 (Gordon Castle Records). Does anyone know if > > > >> these records list of employees, pay records or anything like that? > > > >> Should I plan a trip to Edinburgh sometime? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > > >> -- > > > >> > > > >> Maggie > > > >> > > > >> "The pursuit of Truth and Beauty is a sphere of activity in which we > > are > > > >> permitted to remain children all our lives." Albert Einstein > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >This email has been verified as Virus free. > > > >Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Maggie > > > > > > "The pursuit of Truth and Beauty is a sphere of activity in which we are > > > permitted to remain children all our lives." 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> Could any lister advise me where Castle Gordon is located and > if anyone has > any info of names of staff who may have been employed there First of all, it's Gordon Castle, not Castle Gordon. It is just outside the village of Fochabers in the parish of Bellie, County of Moray. (No, NOT 'Moray County!). I am not aware of any publicly available lists of staff names, other than those who are recorded in the censuses. I am led to believe that the surviving estate archives are at Goodwood House, which is in the south of England, the home of the Dukes of Richmond and Gordon who owned Gordon Castle. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/browse.php?p=773459 for a map and photographs. Anne

Hello Maggie, > > My husbands, Grandfather a George Geddes took in a child > to raise her name was Winnie. For years we thought she was a Geddes but > Winnie told us the story she was given to the Geddes family to raise. Winnie > was really Winnie Walker. She later married a Grant. > > You mentioned in one of your emails about Castle Gordon. > Do you know the house between the two bridges? The house was built for the > water bailiff who is a relative of my husbands, Alexander Geddes, 1847-1931 > The house is called the "Gate House". "The Gate House" was built with the > same stone as Castle Gordon. > > The Lady who owns the Gate House now took us on a tour of > her house in 1998 I wonder if she is still alive her name was Winifred. > > Baxter Soups was on Castle Gordon land. Baxter worked > for Castle Gordon as a gardener. The story is his wife made good soup and > was encouraged to go into business. Hence Baxter Soups. > > Bye for now, > Catherine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maggie Symon" <[email protected]> > To: "The Hawthorne's" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Where can I go from here? > > > > In message <[email protected]>, The Hawthorne's > > <[email protected]> writes > > >Hello Maggie, > > > Are you related to the Geddes family ? I have geddes in my > family > > >tree from Elgin area and Burghead. > > >Bye for now, > > >Catherine > > > > Hi Catherine > > > > As far as I can *prove* I am not related to any Geddes family; the > > Geddes middle name my Grandfather has a mystery and first appears on his > > *death* certificate. It isn't a family name, might be his father's > > name, or could be just that his mother was working for the Geddes in > > Auchenreath, Bellie in the 1901 census and he grew up there as a child. > > Being able to find a birth certificate for him might throw some light on > > it. ;-( I am afraid my direct line has been embedded in Bellie since > > about 1768, though I have just tracked down one of Mary Lobban's son's > > in Glasgow. ;-) > > > > Bye > > Maggie > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Maggie" <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:40 AM > > >Subject: [MORAY] Where can I go from here? > > > > > > > > >> Hi Anyone have any suggestions what I can try next? I have two blocks > > >> which I can't find on Scotland's People or Elgin Registrars Office > > >> despite having dates I think are reliable. > > >> > > >> James Geddes Symon > > >> b 17 March 1903 (Navy Record of Service Document, 1939-44 and death > > >> records, 1974) > > >> Mother was Margaret Symon > > >> > > >> Would he have to supply a birth certificate to the navy in 1939? > > >> > > >> > > >> Mary Thomson (nee Lobban) > > >> b c1800, Burghnamary, Boharm (Bellie Parish Poor Relief Records, > 1866-77 > > >> and census 1841-71) > > >> m 29 Jan 1821 to George Thomson in Bellie (Banns) > > >> d 2 Oct 1877 (Bellie Parish Poor Relief Records, 1866-77) > > >> > > >> I have read the Boharm OPR between 1795-1805 and searched the death > > >> records between 1872-81 on SP and the Registrars. > > >> > > >> > > >> Also any suggestions how I can get further back than: > > >> > > >> James Thomson and Mary Gordon > > >> b unknown - outside Bellie > > >> m 21 Nov 1768 in Bellie (banns) > > >> > > >> I am wondering if they came to Spey Bay for the start of the Spey > > >> Fishery Company in 1765 (Gordon Castle Records). Does anyone know if > > >> these records list of employees, pay records or anything like that? > > >> Should I plan a trip to Edinburgh sometime? > > >> > > >> Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Maggie > > >> > > >> "The pursuit of Truth and Beauty is a sphere of activity in which we > are > > >> permitted to remain children all our lives." Albert Einstein > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > >the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >This email has been verified as Virus free. > > >Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net > > > > -- > > > > Maggie > > > > "The pursuit of Truth and Beauty is a sphere of activity in which we are > > permitted to remain children all our lives." Albert Einstein >

On a recent visit I visited Bellie cemetry and foundthe grave of John Simpson and his wife and children. There wasa simular grave in the cemetry (rather well tendered) Could someone please tell me who is buried there ? thanks Fay Moran (Queensland)

I am not sure whether I can help here but I have ancestral in-laws in Patrick & Margaret (n RIACH) TAYLOR who was baptised 7 May 1727, Botrephine, Banffshire, daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. This is earlier and further north of where the research for John RIACH but I have several ancestral in-laws in Scotland, GAMMIE and LESLIE who migrated south to Aberdeenshire from Banffshire particularly during the 18th-19th centuries, and maybe also NICOL from Glamis to Dundee. I wonder whether other family history researchers have also come across this migration south? shalom Chris Christopher Ridings [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:15:40 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Anderson & Riach SC > NS > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: lorraine354 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/250.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > hi charles > jjust wondering if you may be able to help me i am trying to trace > my ancesters do you have a jane ann anderson who married john riach > in July 1886 or her mother and father john and isabella in you list > anywhere any information would help if you have any about these people > thanks lorrained, this is not the right place to ask about them. You > need to post your query on a board which deals with the right place. > > > Message Board Post: > > Lorraine, thank you for the reply on my earlier posting. As for me > helping you, I'm not sure I can. As you may know the name Anderson > is a very common name. The names you have given me do not match up > with what I already know. I say that because there are several > branches I don't know about. I think what I also need from you are > some locations. As mentioned by the other posting member, did your > family come from Scotland, if so what town or parrish? The web site > mentioned www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is a great place to find > documents, but you do have to pay for them. My line briefly was in > Edinburgh, but really came from Rothes up in Morayshire. If you > could tell me a little more to go by i might be able to help you > more, or be able to given you a definate answer. Who knows maybe we > might be related but the names you gave me so far don't match up. I > do have many Jane's, Ann's, John's, and Isabella's in my line and in > some of the branches I do know of. > > Goodluck > Charles Anderson > ************************************

> On a recent visit I visited Bellie cemetry and foundthe grave > of John > Simpson and his wife and children. There wasa simular grave in > the cemetry > (rather well tendered) Could someone please tell me who is > buried there ? > thanks Fay Moran (Queensland) Not quite sure exactly what you mean by 'a similar grave'. If you go to http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp then choose 'People Search' and enter Simpson, John in the name fields and Be (abbreviation for Bellie) in the Headstone Ref box, you will find three John Simpsons. The one at Cowfords has Headstone Ref Be184. Go back to People Search and just put Be184 in the Headstone Ref box and you will get all 5 people mentioned on that stone. This works for any Headstone Ref in the database, so you can use it to find any 'similar' graves which have headstones. HTH Anne

Christopher Ridings wrote: >I am not sure whether I can help here but I have ancestral in-laws in >Patrick & Margaret (n RIACH) TAYLOR who was baptised 7 May 1727, >Botrephine, Banffshire, daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. > > >This is earlier and further north of where the research for John RIACH >but I have several ancestral in-laws in Scotland, GAMMIE and LESLIE >who migrated south to Aberdeenshire from Banffshire particularly >during the 18th-19th centuries, and maybe also NICOL from Glamis to >Dundee. > >I wonder whether other family history researchers have also come >across this migration south? > > There was probably a lot of coming and going, in both directions, between Banffshire and Aberdeenshire over a long period of time. Setting aside migration overseas, the chief movement of peoples in the 18th and more particularly the 19th centuries would have been into the bigger towns and cities. And while major "southern" centres like Aberdeen would be a big draw, the same thing was happening on a more local scale. A look at the Census returns for the Town of Banff in 1861 shows that over half of those enumerated were not born there. Against approximately 440 natives of the town, there were 340-odd persons who had been born in other parishes of Banffshire, and over 100 who were born in Aberdeenshire. To get to Banff, all of these must therefore have travelled northwards! Gavin Bell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jazzthirty Surnames: Anderson, Riach Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/250.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Lorraine, thank you for the reply on my earlier posting. As for me helping you, I'm not sure I can. As you may know the name Anderson is a very common name. The names you have given me do not match up with what I already know. I say that because there are several branches I don't know about. I think what I also need from you are some locations. As mentioned by the other posting member, did your family come from Scotland, if so what town or parrish? The web site mentioned www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is a great place to find documents, but you do have to pay for them. My line briefly was in Edinburgh, but really came from Rothes up in Morayshire. If you could tell me a little more to go by i might be able to help you more, or be able to given you a definate answer. Who knows maybe we might be related but the names you gave me so far don't match up. I do have many Jane's, Ann's, John's, and Isabella's in my line and in some of the branches I do know of. Goodluck Charles Anderson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.