This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: willowburn181 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/214.733.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: So pleased to get your posting, your gt gt grandmother Anne Sinclair born 6th October 1812, was my gt gt gt grandfathers sister. I found Isobel their mother living with the eldest son Robert in Petty, but she died before the 1851 cencus. I have a photo of my gt gt gt grandfather John Sinclair 1808-1897, he married Margaret Chisholm, their eldest daughter Mary Sinclair 1840-1910 married Simon Macdonald 1836-1907 and they moved to NZ, Dunedin where they died. Please contact me direct if you wish at [email protected] I have my gt gt grandmothers photo album and your gt gt grandmother may be in it. Do you have any info or photos of the family.I believe Hugh Sincalir our common ancestor born c.1770 was a son of Robert Sinclair and Anne Rose. Robert & Anne had an elder son John born 1756 who married Flora Ferguson and had 5 children. So from Robert born 1734, he was son to John Sinclair born 1713 and Elspet McDonald, and he was son to Hugh Sinclair born 1688 and Anna Mc! Phaile, and he was son to John Sinclair and Anna Rose of Knockbain. Hope this is of some use, I look forward to hearing from you and all about Anne and who she married ect. have you any twins in your family? Kind regards Allan MacLean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laurajanemacdonald Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/214.733.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello again, further to that message I've found Hugh's baptism entry (1768) in Croy and Dalcross as son of John Sinclair and Janet Mackay with Hugh Falconer and ? Rose as witnesses. not sure if this means anything... thanks, Laura Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laurajanemacdonald Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/214.733.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello, I have been searching Petty and Sinclair as my gg grandmother was Anne Sinclair from Petty, daughter of Hugh Sinclair and Isobel McIntosh - I'm guessing these might be the people you talk about below?! I'd be interested to hear what other information you have as it sounds like you've got more than me! She moved to Glengarry after Petty, Thanks, Laura Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: steffgoldring Surnames: Cameron, Cramond, Grant Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2320/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on the family of Alexander Cameron DOB 2 April 1793, died 19 April 1840. He married Janet Cramond DOB 17 June 1800. All of Garmouth, Moray. Alexander's parents are Alexander Cameron and Margaret Grant. I have no further information about his parents, and would welcome anything that would allow me to search deeper into my family history. Alexander and Janet had five children I understand, Alexander, my ancestor, Robert Cameron DOB 11 April 1827 who married Betsy Murdoch of Garmouth, Elizabeth, James and Janet. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

> If they are at the Elgin Cathedral burial ground then the > records exist > for 1820-1854 and Rev James Donald died sometime between 1827 > and 1834, > Charlotte McKenzie in 1834, so they would be included here. > These are > apparently in progress. I think I told you that the Elgin Parish Register burials and the Elgin Cathedral MIs are already indexed on LIBINDX Anne

Hello Anne, I think my problem was misinterpreting something I read. Sorry Anne and thank you again. Barbara Anne Burgess wrote: >> If they are at the Elgin Cathedral burial ground then the >> records exist >> for 1820-1854 and Rev James Donald died sometime between 1827 >> and 1834, >> Charlotte McKenzie in 1834, so they would be included here. >> These are >> apparently in progress. >> > I think I told you that the Elgin Parish Register burials and > the Elgin Cathedral MIs are already indexed on LIBINDX > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Gavin, Thank you for the information. I appreciate the help of people like you and Anne who have such a wealth of knowledge. Barbara Gavin Bell wrote: > In view of what Anne has posted in the meantime, the following remarks > may be academic - but all the sources you mention above are all > concerned with Memorial Inscriptions..... > > .....The other two are generally not currently > available online (other than post-1855 deaths) but need to be looked for > on OPR microfilms, or in paper records held by Local Authorities (who, > since 1930, have been responsible for almost all burial grounds). > >

Barbara Nellesen wrote: >Thank you Gavin. >Re: death records at SP - I was posting my correction when your message >was coming in...Thank you! >Re: The burial grounds site - which is great I might add and another >THANK YOU! I have the AA153 (Lhanbryde) and AA182 (St Andrews Kirkhill) >MI booklets - no entries for either one. >I have checked the MI index at the ANESFHS site and could not find >either one at Urquhart - Old and New. >I checked the Birnie and Spynie burial ground at the MBGRG site. Both of >these are online. No entries - Just in case buried elsewhere. > > In view of what Anne has posted in the meantime, the following remarks may be academic - but all the sources you mention above are all concerned with Memorial Inscriptions. Now, these are a useful source of information, but are only one of three different kinds of data which *may* exist, concerning deaths. The other two are (1) plain records of deaths (such as are found on the OPR films for some parishes pre-1855) and (2) Lair Records (which are found typically for burial grounds from the later 19th century, although some are earlier) which record who bought a specific burial plot, and who was put in it. These different records are quite independent of each other, and may not all be available for a given death (although where they are, it is not unknown for the one to contradict the other...) But of the three, it is generally only the MI records that can easily be located online or in printed transcription. The other two are generally not currently available online (other than post-1855 deaths) but need to be looked for on OPR microfilms, or in paper records held by Local Authorities (who, since 1930, have been responsible for almost all burial grounds). Gavin Bell

> Yes, thank you Anne. Ian Scott was able to review it and give > me feedback. > Of course, I still cannot find either Charlotte McKenzie or > Rev James Donald death certificate on SP. You are never going to find a death certificate because there was no such thing before the start of statutory civil registration in 1855. > Or, for that matter, the birth of their children but I thank > you for sending me the information on the children. Similarly there are no birth certificates before 1855, only baptism records from the parish registers, which is what you have. > May I ask for your advice please? > I am a member of the ANESFHS - would it be better for me to > ask them to search for these death records OR would the Moray > Heritage Center be in a better position to do the search? There is no point in asking either, because these death records don't exist. Before 1855 there are only burial records, and these are at best patchy, if they exist at all. I think I have already told you that there are no burials in the St Andrews-Lhanbryd parish register, and that the ones in the Elgin Parish Register have been indexed on LIBINDX. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news! Anne

Barbara Nellesen wrote: >A correction please >I did know that deaths started 1855...don't ask me why my brain somehow >temporarily forget this important fact > > It's not quite as bad as that! - there are pre-1855 death records. They are patchy (in both availability and detail) and harder to find. But if you haven't already checked the Burials Index at ANESFHS, you probably should. Gavin Bell

Barbara Nellesen wrote: >Yes, thank you Anne. Ian Scott was able to review it and give me feedback. >Of course, I still cannot find either Charlotte McKenzie or Rev James >Donald death certificate on SP. > If I recall correctly, the Rev. is assumed to have died some time in the 1830s? If so, ScotlandsPeople would not have any record of his death, as they have not to date included any of the pre-1855 "OPR" deaths in their index. >Or, for that matter, the birth of their >children but I thank you for sending me the information on the children. > >May I ask for your advice please? >I am a member of the ANESFHS - would it be better for me to ask them to >search for these death records OR would the Moray Heritage Center be in >a better position to do the search? > > Some time ago, the Scottish Association of FHSs launched a project to transcribe and index the pre-1855 deaths. Progress on this has been patchy overall, but ANESFHS (in the person of Jim Illingworth) completed work on the OPR deaths for NE Scotland some time ago, and the result is a computerised index held at ANESFHS. Restrictions imposed by the Registrar General (who owns the data) prevent us making this data more widely available, but as a member, you can request a lookup. Bear in mind, though, that the OPR deaths are very patchy - many parishes never recorded any. You can check the parishes which did, and the dates for which these exist, at the "Burial Grounds in Northeast Scotland" site at: http://www.abdnet.co.uk/burialgrounds/ The red markers indicate "ancient" burial grounds, and if you click on such a marker (or on the equivalent name in the drop-down list) various bits of information will be displayed in the side panel, including (where they exist) the dates of OPR death records and the relevant GROS catalogue numbers. (There is also information for the later blue and green markers, but this will not generally include the OPR death dates). For some parishes (broadly-speaking those included in the "new, improved" post-1996 Aberdeenshire) the additional information will also include the availability of "Lair Records". These exist pre-1855 for a small number of parishes, and it is possible that they may mention deaths not included in the OPRs. Gavin Bell

Hi Barbara If I have read the correspondence right, you have now got the explanations you wanted about the will? Anne

Thank you Gavin. Re: death records at SP - I was posting my correction when your message was coming in...Thank you! Re: The burial grounds site - which is great I might add and another THANK YOU! I have the AA153 (Lhanbryde) and AA182 (St Andrews Kirkhill) MI booklets - no entries for either one. I have checked the MI index at the ANESFHS site and could not find either one at Urquhart - Old and New. I checked the Birnie and Spynie burial ground at the MBGRG site. Both of these are online. No entries - Just in case buried elsewhere. If they are at the Elgin Cemetery then there are no notations for records. If they are at the Elgin Cathedral burial ground then the records exist for 1820-1854 and Rev James Donald died sometime between 1827 and 1834, Charlotte McKenzie in 1834, so they would be included here. These are apparently in progress. A cousin of mine also mentioned the possibility of mention in the newspaper since he was a Schoolmaster. /You wrote... / /Restrictions imposed by the Registrar General (who owns the data) prevent us making this data more widely available, but as a member, you can request a lookup./ I guess I will ask that a search be done. Thank you for all your input and suggestions. These two will be found somewhere I am sure! Thank you again for your advice. Barbara > > >

A correction please I did know that deaths started 1855...don't ask me why my brain somehow temporarily forget this important fact Barbara Nellesen wrote: > > ....Of course, I still cannot find either Charlotte McKenzie or Rev > James Donald death certificate on SP...... > > >

Yes, thank you Anne. Ian Scott was able to review it and give me feedback. Of course, I still cannot find either Charlotte McKenzie or Rev James Donald death certificate on SP. Or, for that matter, the birth of their children but I thank you for sending me the information on the children. May I ask for your advice please? I am a member of the ANESFHS - would it be better for me to ask them to search for these death records OR would the Moray Heritage Center be in a better position to do the search? Thanks Anne. I so appreciate all your expertise and assistance in the past. Barbara Anne Burgess wrote: > Hi Barbara > > If I have read the correspondence right, you have now got the > explanations you wanted about the will? > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Re: P.Stuart - Click Trees I'm looking at a letter that P.Stuart sent to the Glenlivet Project dated April 2007. In it you mentioned that your great great grandparents were William Stuart from Refriesh and Elspet Kellas. Elspet's parents were John Kellas and Helen Innes from Blairfindy. I would like to go over some notes that you have in this letter to Click Trees as the above Helen Innes was from my family but I lost your email and have since changed my server. William Innes in Montreal

Dear Barbara Unfortunately you are in the wrong place for information about your Clevenger family. You have subscribed and posted to the MORAY mailing list, which is the genealogy mailing list for the County of MORAY in Scotland. The one you want is presumably the list for Ray County, Missouri, USA which is the MO-RayCounty List. There is also a List run by the Ray County Genealogy Association. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MO/ray.html to subscribe and post to both of these. Good luck! Anne

Hello Everyone, I am new to this list if anyone has anything on my family below you are willing to share please send my way. I am just starting this family line and only have a few names so far. Thank you, Barbara [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. ID: I44268 a.. Name: Lorina Mamatille Prior a.. Given Name: Lorina Mamatille a.. Surname: Prior a.. Sex: F a.. Change Date: 7 Mar 2006 a.. Birth: JAN 1856 in Missouri a.. Death: 15 JAN 1929 in Missouri a.. Burial: Mars Hill Cemetery, Revisville, Barry, Missouri a.. Census: 1900 Pierce Township, Stone, Missouri a.. Census: 1860 Linn Township, Christian, Missouri a.. Census: 1870 Finley Township, Christian, Missouri a.. Census: 1880 Pond Creek Township, Greene, Missouri Father: David Prior b: 8 MAY 1824 in North Carolina Mother: Elizabeth Buck b: 9 JAN 1835 in Tennessee Marriage 1 Andrew Jackson Clevenger b: JAN 1853 in Ray County, Missouri a.. Married: 14 MAY 1876 in Stone County, Missouri Children 1.. David Joshaway Clevenger b: 24 MAR 1875 in Bull Creek, Christian, Missouri 2.. William D. Clevenger b: 1878 in Pond Creek Township, Greene, Missouri 3.. Thomas Franklin Clevenger b: 7 MAR 1880 in Pond Creek Township, Greene, Missouri 4.. Eliza J. Clevenger b: MAR 1883 in Missouri 5.. Rosetta Elizabeth Clevenger b: AUG 1885 in Stone County, Missouri 6.. James F. Clevenger b: MAR 1887 in Stone County, Missouri 7.. George A. Clevenger b: JUL 1888 in Stone County, Missouri 8.. Judge D. Clevenger b: OCT 1891 in Stone County, Missouri 9.. Mary D. E. Clevenger b: JUL 1893 in Stone County, Missouri 10.. Francis M. Clevenger b: NOV 1894 in Stone County, Missouri .

Hello Everyone, I am new to this list if anyone has anything on my family below you are willing to share please send my way. I am just starting this family line and only have a few names so far. Thank you, Barbara [email protected] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- a.. ID: I44268 a.. Name: Lorina Mamatille Prior a.. Given Name: Lorina Mamatille a.. Surname: Prior a.. Sex: F a.. Change Date: 7 Mar 2006 a.. Birth: JAN 1856 in Missouri a.. Death: 15 JAN 1929 in Missouri a.. Burial: Mars Hill Cemetery, Revisville, Barry, Missouri a.. Census: 1900 Pierce Township, Stone, Missouri a.. Census: 1860 Linn Township, Christian, Missouri a.. Census: 1870 Finley Township, Christian, Missouri a.. Census: 1880 Pond Creek Township, Greene, Missouri Father: David Prior b: 8 MAY 1824 in North Carolina Mother: Elizabeth Buck b: 9 JAN 1835 in Tennessee Marriage 1 Andrew Jackson Clevenger b: JAN 1853 in Ray County, Missouri a.. Married: 14 MAY 1876 in Stone County, Missouri Children 1.. David Joshaway Clevenger b: 24 MAR 1875 in Bull Creek, Christian, Missouri 2.. William D. Clevenger b: 1878 in Pond Creek Township, Greene, Missouri 3.. Thomas Franklin Clevenger b: 7 MAR 1880 in Pond Creek Township, Greene, Missouri 4.. Eliza J. Clevenger b: MAR 1883 in Missouri 5.. Rosetta Elizabeth Clevenger b: AUG 1885 in Stone County, Missouri 6.. James F. Clevenger b: MAR 1887 in Stone County, Missouri 7.. George A. Clevenger b: JUL 1888 in Stone County, Missouri 8.. Judge D. Clevenger b: OCT 1891 in Stone County, Missouri 9.. Mary D. E. Clevenger b: JUL 1893 in Stone County, Missouri 10.. Francis M. Clevenger b: NOV 1894 in Stone County, Missouri .

Claude, I have an Angus ROSS, shepherd of Cluny born 1890 son of Angus ROSS valet and Anne CHAPMAN married to Ann Logan Nairn CAMERON 25 .5.1911 at Meikle Branchill, Dallas. I have two reports, one that they went to America and the second that they went to Australia. However I haven't looked into this line to date, but would be interested to know if your Alexander ROSS had any children, particularly any called Angus! Any help with the ROSS family in the Cluny area would be much appreciated. Regards, Dorothy On 29/01/2008, at 11:07 AM, CLAUDE HANSON wrote: > I would like to hear from anyone that knows anything about the > following family living in Morayshire, Scotland. > > Father: John Ross, b 1816 in Rosshire, Nigg; died 1891 at Rafford > Mother: Elizabeth Rose McKillican, b. 1815 in Croy, Nairnshire; > died 1907 at Rafford > Children: > 1. Margaret Ross b. 1840, Kinloss, Morayshire > 2. Helen Ross b. 1842, Kinloss, Morayshire; died 1890 at Rafford > 3. Elizabeth Rose b. 1844 in Forres, Morayshire > 4. Jane Ross b. 1845 in Forres, Morayshire died 1890 in Forres, > buried at Rafford > 5. Alexander Ross b. 1849 in Rafford > 6. Mary Ann Paul Ross b. 1852 in Rafford, Married David Murray > Morton > 7. Agnes McIntosh Ross b. 1856, Hill of Burgie, died 1939 in > Nairn, Scotland > (my wife's grandmother, her son, Alexander John McLeod, was > born in 1879 in Rafford... > no marriage to John McLeod [on Alexander's birth > certificate] and both mother and so lived > with John and Elizabeth Ross at their home in Rafford) > 8. Hughina Ross b 1859 Hill of Burgie,Morayshire; d. 1947 in > Dundee married John Gardiner > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message