Hi Pearl, I live in that area, I've walked my dogs through Hallforest, Hall Forest and Tom's Forrest!! I suspect that Old Hall Forest is nearest to the Castle(which is now a ruin), although I've never heard it referred to as that. The name would have referred to an area. Many of the houses on the present day map would not have been there in 1882, in fact, very few of them were even there 50 years ago. If you could give me the name of the person you're researching, I might be able to help. Regards Jan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pearl Montrose Sent: 02 March 2008 08:40 To: MORAY LIST Subject: [MORAY] where is it. Hello List, I have thedetails of a person who died in Old Hall Forest, Kintore,,, (1882), can some one give me any details of O.H.Forest, is it possibly a farm, croft, village or area.-- Aberdeenshire.?. Couldn't find any info on Genuiki. Thanks, Pearl M. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Hello List, I have thedetails of a person who died in Old Hall > Forest, Kintore,,, (1882), > can some one give me any details of O.H.Forest, is it possibly > a farm, croft, village or > area.-- Aberdeenshire.?. Hallforest is a farm a milr or so southwest of Kintore village. You can find it by going to www.streetmap.co.uk and using the 'GB place' search. There is also a patch of woodland called Hall Forest about half a mile north-north-west from Hallforest Farm. The 1881 census lists 9 households at Hall Forest and one at Hallforest Toll, but none is specifically named Old Hall Forest. I thought that they might be Cottown and Upper Cottown, which are marked on both the current map and the 1869 map (online at www.old-maps.co.uk but not easy to use), but these are in the 1881 census, in the next enumeration district so it's not them. If you look at Hall Forest on the map, you will see a road just north of it with a string of houses along it, and the name Burgh Muir above it. There are no listings of households named Burgh Muir or Burghmuir in Kintore in 1881, but the order of place listings in the census is .... Womblehill (mistranscribed Nomblehill on the CR-ROM), Torryburn, Gauch Hill (mistranscribed Gauch Hill), Fordtown, Castle, Hall Forest, Thoms Forest, Rach-Hill .... Looking on the map, it would make sense if the enumerator had wallked from the Castle, along that row of houses, and then to Tom's Forest, so I think that these houses are probably the ones listed as Hall Forest in the 1881 census. As to which is Old Hallforest, I don't know. It could be what is marked on the maps as Hallforest, but listed in the census as Castle. Where was your person in the 1881 census? Anne

Pearl Montrose wrote: >Hello List, I have thedetails of a person who died in Old Hall Forest, Kintore,,, (1882), can some one give me any details of O.H.Forest, is it possibly a farm, croft, village or area.-- Aberdeenshire.?. Couldn't find any info on Genuiki. Thanks, Pearl M. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > (1) go to the GENUKI Gazetteer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Gazetteer/ (2) enter "Hallforest" (one word) (3) opt to "Show Results" as "Tabular list ordered by county" (4) click on "Search Gazetteer" (5) in the resultant read-out, click on the "hallforest" link for a page of links to different online maps and other pages with relevant data. The 1874 edition of the Ordnance Survey 1" map shows "Hallforest" twice, once as the name of a house or farm, and once as the name of an area, but with no house visible. There is no sign of "Old Hallforest". Gavin Bell

G;day all, Would be interested in hearing from anybody who connects to the family below: Descendants of Elizabeth CLARKE & James CHRISTIE James CHRISTIE, b. in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He married Elizabeth CLARKE, married 08 Oct 1826 in Forgue, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, b. Abt 1805 in Rhynie, Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland (see note 1), (daughter of Jerome CLARK and Helen GRANT). I. Robert CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1829, christened 31 Mar 1829 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. II. William CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1830, christened 04 Sep 1830 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1929 in Colac, Victoria, Australia, occupation 1851 - Labourer;. He married Helen (Ellen) CLARKE, married 11 Nov 1858 in Church of Scotland, Manda, Geelong, Victoria, Australia (see note 2), b. 17 Jun 1835, (daughter of David CLARKE and Jane BUIE) christened 11 Jul 1835 in Cairnie By Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1923 in Colac, Victoria, Australia, relationship : [Is the first cousin, four times removed of KGB]. III. Alexander CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1831, christened 06 Dec 1831 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1912 in Linton, Victoria, Australia, occupation 1851 - Millwright Apprentice;. IV. John CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1833, christened Abt 15 Jun 1833 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, d. Abt 1908 in Buninyong, Victoria, Australia, occupation 1851 - Tailor Appr;. He married Margaret McFADZEAN, married Abt 1866 in Victoria, Australia, b. Abt 1843 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland, (daughter of Thomas McFADZEAN and Jane MONAT) d. Abt 1901 in Buninyong, Victoria, Australia. V. Helen CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1835, christened 19 Mar 1835 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. VI. Charles Lenix CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1837, christened 19 Jan 1837 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. VII. Jerome CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1838, christened 08 Jul 1838 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. VIII. James CHRISTIE, b. Abt 1840, christened 12 Aug 1840 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. IX. David CHRISTIE, b. 27 Apr 1850, christened 27 Apr 1850 in Huntly, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Regards Greg Baldwin Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Email: [email protected] All incoming & outgoing files & emails checked by VET Anti-Virus software. AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, ENG ASHMORE - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Gloucester, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BEASLEY - Qld, AUS BENTON - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CADDICK - Staffordshire, ENG/Wales CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT COKER - Rongeta, Wellington, NZ COMBEY - India>Qld, AUS CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DANGERFIELD - Shropshire/Staffordshire, ENG DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT EDWARDS - Cornwall, ENG EVANS - Shropshire, ENG FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, ENG>NZ INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT LEYLAND - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>NZ MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, SCT McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), ENG RUNNALLS/REYNOLDS - Cornwall, ENG>AUS/NZ ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMKIN - Staffordshire/Warwickshire, ENG SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON -Cheshire, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Staffordshire/Warwick, ENG WILSON - Ayrshire, SCT>NZ WINN/WYNN - Shropshire, Staffordshire, ENG/Wales Human Rights Commission: http://humanrights.gov.au/bth/ The Ned Kelly Story: http://www.nedkellysworld.com.au/history/history.htm

It appears we do not have a connection William. My Helen Stephen's parents were Elizabeth Craib & George Stephen. Sandra

Hi William, I have a Helen Stephen born 1874. Do you know where your Helen Stephen was born & who her parents were? Sandra

Nice to hear from you Sandra. John's mother was Margaret Shaw. Helen Stephens was born 14 Dec.1868 Tomnauvoulin, Glenlivet. Her parents were John Steven and Janet Cameron. William ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra shaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [MORAY] John Stephen or John Innes > Hi William, > I have a Helen Stephen born 1874. > Do you know where your Helen Stephen was born & who her parents were? > Sandra > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

My ancestor, John Innes ( b:1870 ) married Helen Stephen 2 Jul.1897 in Croftbain. It is known that they had a child named John b:12 Dec.1898 Tomnavoulin, Glenlivet. How would I go about finding additional children to this family and whatever happened to their son John. John's BE shows that his name was recorded as John Stephen so I did check the Libindx and came up with 2 entries under the name of Stephen. William

To add to Anne's reply, re Ogstoun: a quote from Shaw's "History of the Province of Moray": "The lands of Ogston and Plewland are the particular part of the estate of Gordonstoun where the venerable mansion-house stands [now Gordonstoun School]. Before the Gordons purchased the estate it was called the Bog of Plewland, and no doubt was a fortalice, built in the marsh for defence. The estate was long held in property by the Hogstouns, or Ogstons of that Ilk; from them it passed to the Inneses of Innes and Balveny." I share a descent from the Robert Innes of Innermarkie you speak of (no doubt along with half of NE Scotland!). You can get an idea of their genealogy if you check Burkes Landed Gentry under Innes of Balveny. Co-incidentally, I also have an ancestor, George Kay, who was factor to the Gordons of Gordonstoun in the early-to-mid 18th century and lived at Plewlands near Gordonstoun House. His son, Lewis Kay of Roseislehaugh (a Jacobite officer in the '45), litigated for many years against the Gordons of Gordonstoun and lost his small estate in lawyer's fees. What's new (I say speaking as a lawyer)! Kind regards Peter Grant (London, UK)

Thank you so much for this information. I found this reference in the book Duncan Forbes of Culloden wrote, wherein he mentions a "Johne Innes of Kirkmichael". Someone is trying to find the family in Kirkmichael....and I wondered if this Johne Innes might be his, a bit further back than he has gotten so far. Now I have you captive, do you know anything about any Innes's in the Gartly area? I have some of the info on the Huntly bunch, but I have a John Innes m 1740 Gartly parish ADB to Jean Thompson and then again 1744 to Isobel Pirie.....now I'm wondering if there are TWO John Innes's in the parish......brick wall. Thank you so much for this help. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Morag" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: [MORAY] OGSTOUN/PLEWLANDIS/CRANNOCHT > To add to Anne's reply, re Ogstoun: a quote from Shaw's "History of the > Province of Moray": > > "The lands of Ogston and Plewland are the particular part of the estate of > Gordonstoun where the venerable mansion-house stands [now Gordonstoun > School]. Before the Gordons purchased the estate it was called the Bog of > Plewland, and no doubt was a fortalice, built in the marsh for defence. > The > estate was long held in property by the Hogstouns, or Ogstons of that Ilk; > from them it passed to the Inneses of Innes and Balveny." > > I share a descent from the Robert Innes of Innermarkie you speak of (no > doubt along with half of NE Scotland!). You can get an idea of their > genealogy if you check Burkes Landed Gentry under Innes of Balveny. > Co-incidentally, I also have an ancestor, George Kay, who was factor to > the > Gordons of Gordonstoun in the early-to-mid 18th century and lived at > Plewlands near Gordonstoun House. His son, Lewis Kay of Roseislehaugh (a > Jacobite officer in the '45), litigated for many years against the Gordons > of Gordonstoun and lost his small estate in lawyer's fees. What's new (I > say speaking as a lawyer)! > > > Kind regards > Peter Grant > (London, UK) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Goldie, Plewlands: exists, as per Anne's reply. Ogstoun: one of the Lands and People of Moray series of books, Pt. 12 is entitled "Western Part of the Parish of Drainie (the Former Parish of Ogstoun)". So that goes some way to answer your query. Cannot say whether Ogstoun was also a specific house as well as a whole parish. I get a bit confused with all these parish name changes, but LIBINDX has several references to Ogstoun (and Hogstoun). Both Plewlands and Ogstoun turn up for me, one in the context of the FLYTER or FLYTTER family. James FLYTER of Gladhill married Grisel GEDDES, d/o Alexander GEDDES of Dallachie, prob in 1706 - they had one daughter Christian FLYTER in 1707. And a Christian GEDDES (b 1673) died in 1720 at Ogstoun; William RICHIE died in 1705, s/o James RICHIE & Christian GEDDES, his MI stating they were 'sometime in Plewland'. (Gladhill is just to the west of Kingston/Garmouth and on the OS looks like a substantial house. Crannocht: I have this note, courtesy of Alyson Kelman: "Thomas INNES II of Edingight bought two thirds of Wester Croylet 1569-77 and then bought Crannat Strype from his brother Jerome INNES in 1581." I don't know where Crannat Strype is, and I do not know whether that is related to Crannoch in Grange, which is of course near Edingight. Hope this helps! Regards Howard Geddes

Goldie said... " in 1535 these place names show. I suspect they may be given in latin." I don't think any of these three place names are in a Latin form. It is tempting to think Plewlandis is simply "ploughlands".I'm no expert but I think that "is" at the end of a noun to pluralise it was common at one time, where we would use a simple "s" today. If Crannocht is the modern Cranloch it isn't in Drainie.It is SE of Lhanbryde and SW of Fochabers. Probably in Birnie parish and not immediately by a loch. And Cranloch is probably a modern corruption of the Crannocht you quote. Again it is tempting to relate it to the word crannog, the dwellings built on piles at the edge of lochs. But with no immediately adjacent loch that idea doesn't seem too well based. Tom > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content > by the SmallWorld MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the SmallWorld MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------------------------

> From a contract between Robt INNES Laid of Invermerky and the > Laird of INNES > (Alexander) in 1535 these place names show. I suspect they > may be given in latin. > Could anyone tranlate for me? I also supsect they are in the > Drainie area. Ogstoun is > also given as OGISTOUN. With thanks, Goldie Hmmm. Plewlands is on Gordonstoun Estate. It's partly in the parish of Drainie and partly in the parish of Duffus. Go to www.streetmap.co.uk to look it up. The only Ogsto(u)n I can think of is Ogston Lane, which is in the part of Lossiemouth between the Spynie Canal and the road from Elgin. I speculate that when this new part of the town was laid out, it could have been named after a farm which was in the vicinity. I have no ideas about Crannocht, I'm afraid. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: redhacklens Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2324/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I am trying to find any decendants of Donald and Anne McKenzie who lived in Drainie. Donald died at Drainie in 1874. Anne died at Drainie in 1894 Their children were 1.Jane b.circa 1831 in Wick 2.William b. circa 1834 in Wick 3.Anne b.circa 1837 in Wick. Anne had 2 illigitimate children named as Christina Donaldson b. 1865 in Drainie and Jane McKenzie b. 1875. 4.John b.circa 1839 in Drainie 5.Christina b circa 1843 in drainie 6.Donald b.circa 1846 in Drainie 7.Hugh b.circa 1849 in Drainie 8.Alexander c.circa 1851 in Drainie. My Gt.Gt.Gt.Grandfather Any help greatly appreciated Kathleen (nee McKenzie) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LorraineMcMillan Surnames: Duncan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2323/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would someone do a look-up for me, I would be most grateful. I am not able to find anything on James Duncan b. Nov. 27, 1884/1885 Urquhart, Moray. James had two brothers Alec ( Alexander? ) and John, as far as I know and was raised by his Grandparents. Thank you. Lorraine Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>From a contract between Robt INNES Laid of Invermerky and the Laird of INNES (Alexander) in 1535 these place names show. I suspect they may be given in latin. Could anyone tranlate for me? I also supsect they are in the Drainie area. Ogstoun is also given as OGISTOUN. With thanks, Goldie

Hi Lorraine My Duncans are either quite a bit later than yours or there is a much earlier family which I have not looked at in any depth. I cannot link to your research with any hope of certainty but will keep your message in mind. Ian

Hi Ian, Thanks for answering my query. All I have, as far as James DUNCAN 's background is his birth date and place of birth. The only other thing is he was raised by his Grandparents and I don't even know if his brother's were also. Kind Regards, Lorraine in Canada