RE: Jessie McKay, Thank you for quick responses. Gives me something new to work on! Peg H. --- [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Jessie McKay, Elgin, Lossiemouth area (Peg Hopkins) > 2. Re: Jessie McKay, Elgin, Lossiemouth area > ([email protected]) > 3. Re: Jessie McKay, Elgin, Lossiemouth area (Goldie & > Lido Doratti) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Peg Hopkins <[email protected]> > Subject: [MORAY] Jessie McKay, Elgin, Lossiemouth area > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > In reference to message of Jan. 10,2008, I'm wondering if > the Jessie McKay might be sister or mother of DONALD > McKAY, > who went to Stellarton, Nova Scotia during 1870s. or > early > 80s, My grandmother was JESSIE MCKAY, daughter of Donald > (wife's name unknown). Believe they had lived in Elgin > area, shipping out of Glasgow, and think it might have > landed in Pictou, N.S. I have photo of the family taken > in Glasgow before departure. Jessie, eldest of 4 > children) > was 17 yrs old,. She might have been named after Donald's > Mother. She told of a terribly stormy trip (10 weeks??) > > She was unhappy to leave Scotland & friends, wished to go > back..."but only when they built a bridge"!! Any > clues? > Peg Hopkins > > Peg > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:30:15 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Jessie McKay, Elgin, Lossiemouth > area > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 3/21/2008 17:30:40 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] > writes: > > In reference to message of Jan. 10,2008, I'm wondering > if > the Jessie McKay might be sister or mother of DONALD > McKAY, > who went to Stellarton, Nova Scotia during 1870s. or > early > 80s, My grandmother was JESSIE MCKAY, daughter of Donald > (wife's name unknown). Believe they had lived in Elgin > area, shipping out of Glasgow, and think it might have > landed in Pictou, N.S. I have photo of the family > taken > in Glasgow before departure. Jessie, eldest of 4 > children) > was 17 yrs old,. She might have been named after > Donald's > Mother. She told of a terribly stormy trip (10 > weeks??) > She was unhappy to leave Scotland & friends, wished to > go > back..."but only when they built a bridge"!! Any > clues? > Peg Hopkins > > Peg > > > > Hello Peg > > Many of us have been unhappy leaving Scotland and cherish > every minute there > when we visit! > > Your statement about the bridge got me wondering so I > checked the IGI to see > if there was a possibility they had lived somewhere else, > not just Elgin, > Morayshire. There is a family: > > Jessie McKAY born 10 June 1856 to Donald McKAY and Mary > HARRALD in Evie and > Rendall in Orkney. > I expect people there sometimes wish there was a bridge! > > Perhaps, of course, I am way off! About 6 children are > listed. > > Sheila. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:47:43 -0700 > From: Goldie & Lido Doratti <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Jessie McKay, Elgin, Lossiemouth > area > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Try working the [email protected] and see what you can > find on the '41 and > '51 census......that might be a start. IF you have a > younger sibling you > might find that sibling if you don't find your > Jessie.........good luck. > Happy Easter from Kamloops....Goldie > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an > email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 71 > ************************************ > Peg ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

I just re-read Peg's original mesage. If Donald emigrated accompanied by a 17-year-old daughter, then he must be too old be either a son or a brother of the Janet/Jessie McKay in the message of 10 January 2008. Bearing in mind that he doesn't seem to be in the 1881 census of Canada, let us assume that he emigrated between 1880 and 1890, accompanied by 17-year-old Jessie. This means that Jessie must have been born between 1863 and 1873. The IGI Lists 12 Jessie McKays and 18 Janet McKays, daughters of Donald McKays, born in Scotland between 1863 and 1873. There are also two Janets and a Jessie with father given as Daniel, which occasionally turns up as a version of Donald. Only one of these 33 Janet/Jessies was born in Moray - daughter of Donald McKay and Helen MacDonald, born 6 September 1873 in the parish of Duffus. However I note from LIBINDX http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp that Helen MacDonald died in 1905 and Donald McKay in 1907, both in Duffus, so he cannot be your Donald unless they did return from Canada. If you can't find Donald's, you get Janet/Jessie's exact date of birth from a Canadian census? Anne

> In reference to message of Jan 10, 2008, I'm wondering if > the Jessie McKay might be sister or mother of DONALD McKAY, > who went to Stellarton, Nova Scotia during 1870s or early > 80s Jessie McKay is an extremely common name, and don't forget that any Jessie may have been baptised Janet, so you have to check all the Janet McKays as well. The Jessie McKay in the messages of 10 January 2008 ([MORAY] LOGANS IN MORAY if you are looking for it) was born Janet on 10 March 1857, so she was not old enough to be the mother of someone who emigrated in the 1870s or early 1880s. Suppose she had had an illegitimate son named Donald when she was 15; he would have been born in 1872, and would not really have been old enough to emigrate until the late 1880s. So I think you can safely discount her as mother of your Donald. Finding her family in the 1861 and 1871 censuses on Scotland's People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk would tell you with certainty whether or not she had a surviving brother Donald. If your Donald emigrated to Canada in the 1870s/1880s, could you get his date of birth from a later Canadian census? I have found exact dates of birth for Canadian relatives in the 1901 census of Canada. This would narrow your research down enormously. Try http://automatedgenealogy.com/ The 1881 Census of Canada lists 107 Donald McKays and one Donald MacKay born in Scotland and living in Nova Scotia. At a cursory glance I don't see any living in a place named Stellarton, though I could have missed it as I don't know which county it would be in. HTH Anne

In a message dated 3/21/2008 17:30:40 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In reference to message of Jan. 10,2008, I'm wondering if the Jessie McKay might be sister or mother of DONALD McKAY, who went to Stellarton, Nova Scotia during 1870s. or early 80s, My grandmother was JESSIE MCKAY, daughter of Donald (wife's name unknown). Believe they had lived in Elgin area, shipping out of Glasgow, and think it might have landed in Pictou, N.S. I have photo of the family taken in Glasgow before departure. Jessie, eldest of 4 children) was 17 yrs old,. She might have been named after Donald's Mother. She told of a terribly stormy trip (10 weeks??) She was unhappy to leave Scotland & friends, wished to go back..."but only when they built a bridge"!! Any clues? Peg Hopkins Peg Hello Peg Many of us have been unhappy leaving Scotland and cherish every minute there when we visit! Your statement about the bridge got me wondering so I checked the IGI to see if there was a possibility they had lived somewhere else, not just Elgin, Morayshire. There is a family: Jessie McKAY born 10 June 1856 to Donald McKAY and Mary HARRALD in Evie and Rendall in Orkney. I expect people there sometimes wish there was a bridge! Perhaps, of course, I am way off! About 6 children are listed. Sheila.

Try working the [email protected] and see what you can find on the '41 and '51 census......that might be a start. IF you have a younger sibling you might find that sibling if you don't find your Jessie.........good luck. Happy Easter from Kamloops....Goldie ----- Original Message -----

In reference to message of Jan. 10,2008, I'm wondering if the Jessie McKay might be sister or mother of DONALD McKAY, who went to Stellarton, Nova Scotia during 1870s. or early 80s, My grandmother was JESSIE MCKAY, daughter of Donald (wife's name unknown). Believe they had lived in Elgin area, shipping out of Glasgow, and think it might have landed in Pictou, N.S. I have photo of the family taken in Glasgow before departure. Jessie, eldest of 4 children) was 17 yrs old,. She might have been named after Donald's Mother. She told of a terribly stormy trip (10 weeks??) She was unhappy to leave Scotland & friends, wished to go back..."but only when they built a bridge"!! Any clues? Peg Hopkins Peg ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hrasar Surnames: Hendry Keir Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/121.522.583.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am interested in your Hendry lines. I have a great great grandmother Hellen Keir Hendry born at Blackarlot, Duffus, Morayshire in 1810. Her mother died and she was raised by an uncle at Kinloss Abbey. Her father was James Hendry (his ancestry is unknown) and he apparently disappeared after the death of his wife Jean Keir. Any information appreciated of his life before or after this marriage. I have further information on Hellen if we can make a connection. Hazel Rasar USA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi folks, Saw the reference to Auchinachy and thought I would add a little info. The Gordons of Auchynachy/Auchinachy/Auchinnachie were a very junior branch of the House of Huntly. The founder was one of the dozen or so sons of John Gordon of Scurdurgue, himself an illegitimate son of Sir Adam Gordon of Strathbogie, one of the earliest members of the Huntly family in the 13th century. The Gordons of Auchinnachie eventually changed their name to Achynachy or Auchinnachie in or about the 17th century and they feature in 2 locations, one in Banffshire and the other just along the road in Knockando in Moray. Eventually they shortened their name to Achnach and finally for some reason we don’t yet understand in the early 19th century to Grant. My own 4 x great grandmother was Elspeth Achnach who was married to David Smith or Gow in Knockando. As many of you who are longstanding members of this list, David Smith or Gow was a member of the "Strathcona" family or to be precise a great-uncle of Donald Smith, 1st Baron Strathcona and Mount Royal. I assume in the absence of a better explanation, the Achnach family which had been Gordons changed their surname to Grant because firstly they lived within the province of the Grant family and secondly because they almost certainly had more Grant ancestry than anything else. Mark John M Sutherland-Fisher Managing Director, Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd North Cadboll House, North Cadboll, Fearn by Tain, Ross-shire, Scotland. IV20 1TN Tel and Fax: 0044 (0) 1862 871877 Mobile: 0044 (0) 7765 272815 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Neil Boyd Sent: 19 March 2008 18:16 To: [email protected] com Subject: [MORAY] re.Riachs of Rothes One refernce I found to Achynachy was "an old ruinous house, two miles south-west from the church, where the parish borders that of Botriphny." The parish referred to is Keith, Banffshire and this extract is quoted from "Illustrations of the Topography and Antiquities of the Shires of Aberdeen and Banff" by Joseph Robertson, 1869. Auchinachy is mentioned on page 241 and this section seems to be, in turn, quoted from Macfarlane's Geographical Collections for Scotland A.D. MDCCXL11 which, I think, is 1742 though, I'm sure someone will correct me if otherwise! Hope this is of some help to someone. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 18/03/2008 08:10 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 18/03/2008 08:10

> and this 1832 map has it spelled "Achynanie", just southeast > of Keith http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/523.html Achynanie, now Auchoynanie http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/688684 is still there, but it's not the same as Auchanacy to the south-west of Keith or Achindachy http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/415413 on the other side of Strath Isla, both also shown on the same map of 1832. Anne

and this 1832 map has it spelled "Achynanie", just southeast of Keith http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/523.html -- Jo-Ann -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Neil Boyd" <[email protected]> > > One refernce I found to Achynachy was "an old ruinous house, two miles > south-west from the church, where the parish borders that of Botriphny." The > parish referred to is Keith, Banffshire and this extract is quoted from > "Illustrations of the Topography and Antiquities of the Shires of Aberdeen and > Banff" by Joseph Robertson, 1869. Auchinachy is mentioned on page 241 and this > section seems to be, in turn, quoted from Macfarlane's Geographical Collections > for Scotland A.D. MDCCXL11 which, I think, is 1742 though, I'm sure someone will > correct me if otherwise! > Hope this is of some help to someone. >

> One refernce I found to Achynachy was "an old ruinous house, > two miles south-west > from the church, where the parish borders that of Botriphny." > The parish referred to is > Keith, Banffshire and this extract is quoted from > "Illustrations of the Topography and > Antiquities of the Shires of Aberdeen and Banff" by Joseph > Robertson, 1869. > Auchinachy is mentioned on page 241 and this section seems to > be, in turn, quoted > from Macfarlane's Geographical Collections for Scotland A.D. > MDCCXL11 which, I > think, is 1742 though, I'm sure someone will correct me if > otherwise! > Hope this is of some help to someone. Yes, that's the one in the parish of Keith. http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/338274 Anne

One refernce I found to Achynachy was "an old ruinous house, two miles south-west from the church, where the parish borders that of Botriphny." The parish referred to is Keith, Banffshire and this extract is quoted from "Illustrations of the Topography and Antiquities of the Shires of Aberdeen and Banff" by Joseph Robertson, 1869. Auchinachy is mentioned on page 241 and this section seems to be, in turn, quoted from Macfarlane's Geographical Collections for Scotland A.D. MDCCXL11 which, I think, is 1742 though, I'm sure someone will correct me if otherwise! Hope this is of some help to someone.

Anne Burgess wrote: >>baptism at >>"Achyndachy, probably Banffshire"? >>The placename itself is also a little problematic, as it is >>one that >>crops up, in various spellings, in various places. There are >>examples >>in the Banffshire parishes of Botriphnie, Fordyce and Keith >>(where >>there may actually be two such places - the evidence is >>ambiguous) and >>also in the Aberdeenshire parish of Cairnie. >> >> >Also, was it Achynachy or Achyndachy? As Gavin says, these bits >of information look a bit odd. Is there an Achyn(d)achy in >Marnoch? > > No. At least, when Ray Hennessy and I did our survey of placenames in Marnoch, covering maps from 1832 to 2000, and the 1841, 1861 and 1881 Census, we found nothing resembling "Achyn(d)achy". Gavin Bell

>>Re WILSON: My children are also descended from Andrew & Janet >>(n >>WILSON) GAMMIE who was baptised 17 Sep 1731 at Achynachy, >>probably >>Banffshire I'm totally baffled by this. Do you mean a child of Andrew Gammie and Janet Wilson, and was it the child or Andrew or Janet who was baptised in 1731? And did the child have a name? I see from the IGI that a couple of these names had 7 children between 1740 and 1762, all born in the parish of Marnoch, but where does 1731 come in? (Of course you need to look at all this information in the original because the IGI is neither 100% comprehensive nor 100% correct.) > This is a little puzzling. Baptismal records are kept > separately by > each parish, so what is the source of this record of a > baptism at > "Achyndachy, probably Banffshire"? > The placename itself is also a little problematic, as it is > one that > crops up, in various spellings, in various places. There are > examples > in the Banffshire parishes of Botriphnie, Fordyce and Keith > (where > there may actually be two such places - the evidence is > ambiguous) and > also in the Aberdeenshire parish of Cairnie. Also, was it Achynachy or Achyndachy? As Gavin says, these bits of information look a bit odd. Is there an Achyn(d)achy in Marnoch? >>daughter of Janet (n SMITH) & Alexander WILSON who married >>in 1708 at Quarrelhead or Quarrel Head, probably also in >>Banffshire. > The same comment has to be made about the marriage - records > of > marriages are also held separately by each parish, so a > marriage > recorded at "Quarrelhead" rather than in the records for an > individual > parish also sounds fishy. I see that the IGI lists a marriage of Alexander Wilson to Janet Smith on 26 June 1708 in Keith. This is 'extracted' from the parish register so is probably correct, but as ever with the IGI it is necessary to view the original document to be sure. The IGI also lists 10 children of this couple, all born in Keith and including Jannet, born 17 and baptised 19 September 1731, who is obviously much too young to be the wife of Andrew Gammie and mother of a child born in 1740. Yours, very confused Anne

Hi Ian, Thanks for checking the film. Can you offer any opinion of the situation. Do the contents of the microfilm offer any indication of accepted 'norm' for this period? Can I gain any clues as to this couple from the lack of marriage records. For example, I suspect one or both might have been Catholic. Would the missing record support this? Would a 'mixed' marriage, at this time, be unacceptable and force the couple to avoid an offical union? I know you, and many others on the list, have wide knowledge of Bellie. Is there any other sources that I might investigate to uncover more about them. Regards George Hertford UK

Hello, fellow Riach Researchers, My children are descended from Patrick & Margaret (n RIACH) TAYLOR who was baptised on 7 May 1727 at Botrephine, Banff, daughter of Janet (n BREMNER) & William RIACH. Re WILSON: My children are also descended from Andrew & Janet (n WILSON) GAMMIE who was baptised 17 Sep 1731 at Achynachy, probably Banffshire, daughter of Janet (n SMITH) & Alexander WILSON who married in 1708 at Quarrelhead or Quarrel Head, probably also in Banffshire. Re CHALMERS: My children are further descended from Jane CHALMERS who married John MURRAY. Their daughter Janet MURRAY was born in 1801 and married stone quarrier David LOW on 1 July 1822, Dundee. Any connections anywhere? Best regards Christopher Ridings [email protected] > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:50:17 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] Riach of Rothes > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > Hello Norman, Sorry it's taken for ever to get back to you. I'm > Phillip, Dawn's husband -she is the researcher! > Quite excited by your potential info as I have little if any details > of the Riach's. > I can confirm however: > > My father was Colin SG Chalmers ---- > His mother was Isabella Riach-she married Colin Chalmers. > Isabella (or Dolly or the Duchess as she was known)parents were > William (*) Riach and Helen Mann > I have Wm's(*) parents as William Riach(**) and Isabella Palmer---- > This William (**)'s parents I have recorded as Alexander Riach and > Margaret Gillies, we cannot find them on the census together, nor a > marriage record? We have a birth entrance (1860) which states this > Wm (**) is illegitimate. > On Helen Mann's line we have, born Oct 15th 1880 to father John Mann > & Jessie Mann (formerly Wilson). John & Jessie married in 1877 in > May. John was a butcher (flesher), his father Charles had also been > a butcher. His mother was Lillie Donald. > Will await your response. > Phillip

Hi George I have the Bellie OPR microfilm and there does not appear to be a marriage recorded for your George Jamieson and Margaret Ritchie in 1781. Ian A C Scott

Christopher Ridings wrote: >Re WILSON: My children are also descended from Andrew & Janet (n >WILSON) GAMMIE who was baptised 17 Sep 1731 at Achynachy, probably >Banffshire, > This is a little puzzling. Baptismal records are kept separately by each parish, so what is the source of this record of a baptism at "Achyndachy, probably Banffshire"? The placename itself is also a little problematic, as it is one that crops up, in various spellings, in various places. There are examples in the Banffshire parishes of Botriphnie, Fordyce and Keith (where there may actually be two such places - the evidence is ambiguous) and also in the Aberdeenshire parish of Cairnie. >daughter of Janet (n SMITH) & Alexander WILSON who married >in 1708 at Quarrelhead or Quarrel Head, probably also in Banffshire. > > The same comment has to be made about the marriage - records of marriages are also held separately by each parish, so a marriage recorded at "Quarrelhead" rather than in the records for an individual parish also sounds fishy. Gavin Bell