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> > Parents of my George Milne (1831) and John (1833) appear to be John > born Sep 1791 at Kinminity, Keith, died Aug 1836, and Elspet Scott, born > May 1788, died Apr 1862 at Hairywell, Keith. They were marriedd 1830 at > Keith. > > John (b 1833) married Elizabeth Weir, born 1840 at Rathven, died 1920 > at 119 Land Street Keith. Children were: > > Elspet born Sep 1879, died 1906 at Keith, and > Ann, born Mar 1883, died 1941 > > George (b 1831) married Barbara Gordon, born 1836 at Fifekeith, died > 1885. Children were: > > Elspet May 1863 > John born Oct 1865 > George born Feb 1868 > Margaret born Jun 1870 > James born Dec 1872 > William born 1877 > > John above (born in 1833) was my great grandfather. However, I have no > ancestors to George's (1831) children listed above. > >> thanks, > > Keith Milne >

Do you have the roots web address for Banffshire? shalom Chris Christopher Ridings [email protected] http://cnridings.blogspot.com On 15/04/2008, at 5:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 (Anne Burgess) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:44:56 +0100 (BST) > From: Anne Burgess <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MORAY] MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >> I had >> thought up until th >> time I discovered this that the index was limited to >> the county of Moray. > > No, it was never limited to the county of Moray. It > includes all the burial grounds in the present Moray, > not the original county, which was rather smaller. It > also includes people from the present area of Moray > mentioned in various newspapers, and other information > specific to the present area of Moray. > > The present Moray area includes the old county of > Moray, less the parish of Cromdale Inverallan and > Advie, plus the following parishes/districts of > Banffshire: Enzie, Rathven, Cullen, Deskford, > Seafield, Grange, Rothiemay, Keith, Botriphnie, Bellie > (part), Boharm (part), Mortlach, Aberlour, Inveravon, > and Kirkimichael. > > The following Banffshire parishes are not in Moray: > Boyndie, Fordyce, Banff, Gamrie, Ordiquhill, Marnoch, > Inverkeithny, King Edward, Alvah. > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > MORAY-admi[email protected] > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 > ************************************

Hi. I'm looking for someone to do a look-up at the Elgin Library for me. Please contact me at [email protected] Thanks a lot. William

http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-BANFFSHIRE.html -- Jo-Ann -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Christopher Ridings <[email protected]> > > Do you have the roots web address for Banffshire? > > shalom > Chris > > Christopher Ridings > [email protected] > http://cnridings.blogspot.com > > > > > On 15/04/2008, at 5:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 (Anne Burgess) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:44:56 +0100 (BST) > > From: Anne Burgess <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [MORAY] MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >> I had > >> thought up until th > >> time I discovered this that the index was limited to > >> the county of Moray. > > > > No, it was never limited to the county of Moray. It > > includes all the burial grounds in the present Moray, > > not the original county, which was rather smaller. It > > also includes people from the present area of Moray > > mentioned in various newspapers, and other information > > specific to the present area of Moray. > > > > The present Moray area includes the old county of > > Moray, less the parish of Cromdale Inverallan and > > Advie, plus the following parishes/districts of > > Banffshire: Enzie, Rathven, Cullen, Deskford, > > Seafield, Grange, Rothiemay, Keith, Botriphnie, Bellie > > (part), Boharm (part), Mortlach, Aberlour, Inveravon, > > and Kirkimichael. > > > > The following Banffshire parishes are not in Moray: > > Boyndie, Fordyce, Banff, Gamrie, Ordiquhill, Marnoch, > > Inverkeithny, King Edward, Alvah. > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > . > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 90 > > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

I have some Milne's. Where are these born? Margaret b abt 1779. Goldie ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith milne" <[email protected]> To: "Moray Rootsweb" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [MORAY] Milne of Keith, Banff > Researchng any MILNEs of Keith Banff. > > 1. George MILNE, born 1 Jan 1831, died Oct 1912. Shoemaker on Hill > Street, Keith, Banff > > 2. John MILNE (brother to George) born 8 Jul 1833 > > Keith Milne > BC, Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Researchng any MILNEs of Keith Banff. 1. George MILNE, born 1 Jan 1831, died Oct 1912. Shoemaker on Hill Street, Keith, Banff 2. John MILNE (brother to George) born 8 Jul 1833 Keith Milne BC, Canada

> I had > thought up until th > time I discovered this that the index was limited to > the county of Moray. No, it was never limited to the county of Moray. It includes all the burial grounds in the present Moray, not the original county, which was rather smaller. It also includes people from the present area of Moray mentioned in various newspapers, and other information specific to the present area of Moray. The present Moray area includes the old county of Moray, less the parish of Cromdale Inverallan and Advie, plus the following parishes/districts of Banffshire: Enzie, Rathven, Cullen, Deskford, Seafield, Grange, Rothiemay, Keith, Botriphnie, Bellie (part), Boharm (part), Mortlach, Aberlour, Inveravon, and Kirkimichael. The following Banffshire parishes are not in Moray: Boyndie, Fordyce, Banff, Gamrie, Ordiquhill, Marnoch, Inverkeithny, King Edward, Alvah. Anne

>First, for moray ( and maybe Banffshire and Aberdeen) http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp >This is without charge just now. The libindx is invaluable.......only wish my family were from Moray and not Nairn. This also holds true with regard to what has been accomplished with the burial grounds in the area. Actually, was surprised to see the obit for Anne Ross who married John Calder indexed as she died in 1883 Columbus, Ontario and according to descendents was born in 1804 Auldearn, Nairn. I had thought up until the time I discovered this that the index was limited to the county of Moray. Although I was aware that some overseas obits were published in Scottish newspapers, never dreamed she would be listed in Moray. I learn something new every day!

I am researching the family of William England and his wife,Janet. I am very interrested in their son, Robert, baptised, 21 April, 1728 who married Agnes Garioch in Rothes parish, 1751. Also, grandson, Robert , b 6 Nov, 1756. This Robert may have relocated to Canada. I would be interrested in hearing from anyone who has knowledge about this family.

First, for moray ( and maybe Banffshire and Aberdeen) http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp This is without charge just now. We have had very good results in Banffshire and R & C , and back to LDS. Backwards and forwards seems to help. Also World Connect presented us with a comprehensive genealogy.> From: [email protected]> Subject: MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88> To: [email protected]> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:00:40 -0600> > > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Off Topic - Websites that may be of interest (Sherry Williamson)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:50:13 -0400> From: "Sherry Williamson" <[email protected]>> Subject: [MORAY] Off Topic - Websites that may be of interest> To: <[email protected]>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > As some of you are already aware, the LDS is digitizing records and the beta> test site is up and running. This is in the early stages so not much is> there and do not think it will ever cover Scotland. That being said, if you> had folks who migrated to other places, might be of interest. I am pasting> the link but I did paste this link to a couple of my lists in Canada a month> or so ago. Some people were able to access the site, while others had some> difficulty...........might be an internet browser issue.........not certain> > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=118581> 5459328> > Scotland on TV - video clips pertaining to Scotland:> http://www.scotlandontv.tv/scotland_on_tv/discover/titles.html> > > > > > ------------------------------> > To contact the MORAY list administrator, send an email to> [email protected]> > To post a message to the MORAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected]> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of MORAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88> ************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Turn every day into $1000. Learn more at SignInAndWIN.ca http://g.msn.ca/ca55/213

As some of you are already aware, the LDS is digitizing records and the beta test site is up and running. This is in the early stages so not much is there and do not think it will ever cover Scotland. That being said, if you had folks who migrated to other places, might be of interest. I am pasting the link but I did paste this link to a couple of my lists in Canada a month or so ago. Some people were able to access the site, while others had some difficulty...........might be an internet browser issue.........not certain http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=118581 5459328 Scotland on TV - video clips pertaining to Scotland: http://www.scotlandontv.tv/scotland_on_tv/discover/titles.html

>This Margaret Bain - was she ever a McBain or strictly a Bain? >You stated her father was a John, correct? Hello Cam, No, John Calder was her husband and I have not yet started on her side of the family. The problem that I am having is the fact that the mothers were not listed on christening records in Nairn, Nairn during the timeframe that I am looking into. When I do look into the Bain family.....if they were from Nairn, will more than likely run into the same results as this seems to be the norm during this time period (I have also run into this in other parishes, Edinkillie for one comes to mind). I have looked at all christening records on SP for whom I think are family and have tried to tie them in with witnesses but that is equally difficult. For example James Tulloch and Margaret Calder appeared as witnesses at quite a few christenings in Nairn for surnames that do not appear in my family. I cannot assume that they were at this particular family's christenings because they were somehow related. I would like to think so as it would make things so much easier :). I fear that it is time that I called it quits with going back into the Calder family history but it is so hard for me to let go as I have spent so much time with them, even went to burial grounds in Scotland to visit them but unfortunately no one was home or ever lived there :) Many thanks for writing! Sherry

This Margaret Bain - was she ever a McBain or strictly a Bain? You stated her father was a John, correct? Cam ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherry Williamson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 7, 2008 9:17:52 PM Subject: [MORAY] Calder Family - Correction My James Calder was born in 1785 to William Calder and Isobel Lamb. His grandfather, James Calder, is listed as a witness. There is no existing / surviving record of a marriage of James Calder to an Isobel Lamb. There are no other records involving this couple other than this christening. I do know that he had a sister Isabella who was born abt. 1790 according to the 1851 Census for Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario. She immigrated to Dumfries, Waterloo, Ontario along with James and some of his children in 1832. Should read: No existing / surviving record of a marriage of William Calder to an Isobel Lamb........sorry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a photo of the gravestone if you would like it. Regards Jan Aberdeenshire -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Burgess Sent: 07 April 2008 22:46 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MORAY] Alexander Mackenzie LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp tells me that Alexander died at Lochs Cottage on 2 January 1913 aged 78, and Isabella on 13 December 1924 aged 88. On the same gravestone are John, died 14 January 1869 aged 11, Jessie, wife of Alexander Marr, died 19 January 1915 aged 47, Jane Ann, wife of John Reid, died 5 March 1936 aged 71, and John Reid died 26 January 1890 aged 24. There's also a James Mackie, husband of Jessie Reid or Mackenzie, who was drowned at sea on 19 December 1922. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

His family in 1881 census Dwelling: Muir Of Lochs Census Place: Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203435 GRO Ref Volume 144 EnumDist 2 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander MC KENZIE M 46 M Rathven, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farm Servant Isabella MC KENZIE M 44 F Rathven, Banff, Scotland Rel: Wife James MC KENZIE U 19 M Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Carpenter Jane Ann MC KENZIE U 16 F Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Formerly Nurse Jessie MC KENZIE U 14 F Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar William Innes MC KENZIE 11 M Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George MC KENZIE 8 M Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Isabella MC KENZIE 5 F Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar --------------------- His birthdate 05 SEP 1859 Urquhart, Moray, Scotland Parents: Alexander McKENZIE and Isabella WILLIAMSON ----------------------- You have your choice of two Alexander's b abt 1860 in Urquhart Institution: "Fort George Fortified Garrison" Moray Firth Census Place: Ardersier, Inverness, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203417 GRO Ref Volume 091 EnumDist 3A Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alexander MC KENZIE U 22 M Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Private Occ: Baker Journeyman -------------------- Dwelling: Finfan Census Place: Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203435 GRO Ref Volume 144 EnumDist 4 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Andrew BRANDER M 65 M Fordyce, Banff, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 160 Acres Emp 2 Men 2 Boys & 2 Women Mary Anne BRANDER M 61 F Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife Anne BADENOCH W 59 F Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Wifes Sister Occ: Boarder Sophia BUYERS M 42 F Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Wifes Sister Occ: Visitor Alexander MAC KENZIE U 21 M Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Robert ALLAN U 15 F Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Hugh WHEELER U 13 M Speymouth, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Catherine BRANDER U 25 F Urquhart, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Domestic Servant Elizabeth FRASER U 23 F Aberlour, Banff, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Domestic Servant -- Jo-Ann Croft

> Re: Alexander McKenzie > his parents were Alexander Mckenzie and Isabella according to > the 1871 > census. > They lived in Muri of Lochs 1/2 miles east of Urquhart > brothers and sister were: > Alexander 1860 > James > William > Jane Ann > Jessie. > This is all I know so far. That's more like it. If you have the 1871 census, you must presumably also have ages and birthplaces too? The International Genealogical Index (IGI) at www.familysearch.org tells me that Alexander, son of Alexander Mackenzie and Isabella Williamson, was born in Urquhart on 5 September 1859, and that he was one of at least seven children. The others were John, born 17 April 1857 James, born 29 January 1862 Jane Anne, born 9 July 1864 Jessie, born 4 April 1867 William Innes, born 14 January 1870 George, born 27 October 1872 Because the census is always taken in the spring, Alexander would not have had his 1871 (twelfth) birthday by census day, so he would show up as aged 11. James would be 9, Jane Anne 6, Jessie just 4, and William 1. Alexander and Isabella were married in Urquhart on 18 December 1856. LIBINDX at http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp tells me that Alexander died at Lochs Cottage on 2 January 1913 aged 78, and Isabella on 13 December 1924 aged 88. On the same gravestone are John, died 14 January 1869 aged 11, Jessie, wife of Alexander Marr, died 19 January 1915 aged 47, Jane Ann, wife of John Reid, died 5 March 1936 aged 71, and John Reid died 26 January 1890 aged 24. There's also a James Mackie, husband of Jessie Reid or Mackenzie, who was drowned at sea on 19 December 1922. Armed with this information, you can go to Scotland's People (SP) www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk , invest in a few credits, and download images of some or all of these death certificates. Alexander Sr's and Isabella's will tell you the names of their parents. You can also get images of the census records for other years there. All the surviving family except Alexander Jr were still at Muir of Lochs in the 1881 census, which shows the birthplace of both Alexander and Isabella as Rathven. This is the parish whose main town is Buckie. There's another daughter in 1881, Isabella, aged 5, so born 1875/6, who is not listed in the IGI above. Have a good look at these sources and see what else you can find - I've only scratched the surface for you. If Isabella turns out to be the daughter of John Williamson and Jane Alexander, get back to me. I happen to have a family tree of part of that Williamson family. Happy hunting! Anne

My James Calder was born in 1785 to William Calder and Isobel Lamb. His grandfather, James Calder, is listed as a witness. There is no existing / surviving record of a marriage of James Calder to an Isobel Lamb. There are no other records involving this couple other than this christening. I do know that he had a sister Isabella who was born abt. 1790 according to the 1851 Census for Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario. She immigrated to Dumfries, Waterloo, Ontario along with James and some of his children in 1832. Should read: No existing / surviving record of a marriage of William Calder to an Isobel Lamb........sorry

I have always looked to this list for wisdom and kindly ask for your input if you have some time. I have been working on the Calder family in Nairn and attempting to go back a bit in their history but find this next to impossible as I am looking at a period when the mother's were not mentioned in the baptisms. My James Calder was born in 1785 to William Calder and Isobel Lamb. His grandfather, James Calder, is listed as a witness. There is no existing / surviving record of a marriage of James Calder to an Isobel Lamb. There are no other records involving this couple other than this christening. I do know that he had a sister Isabella who was born abt. 1790 according to the 1851 Census for Oneida, Haldimand, Ontario. She immigrated to Dumfries, Waterloo, Ontario along with James and some of his children in 1832. My James Calder was a tailor by trade and his father a weaver. In looking at the records, there may have been two James Calder's christening children (all in Nairn, Nairn): 10 Feb 1754 Isabel Calder to James Calder, Tailor 06 Mar 1756 Margaret Calder to James Calder - possibly married James Tulloch (James Tulloch appears as a witness to my James Calder's christening in 1785 - James and William Calder appear as witnesses at the christening of their first son James Tulloch in 1780 Nairn) 29 Oct 1758 William Calder to James Calder, Farmer (Catherine MacCurrach appears as a witness) 16 Oct 1760 James Calder to James Calder, Farmer and Catherine MacPherson 29 Jul 1763 John Calder to James Calder and Catherine MacCurrach 29 Jun 1765 John Calder to James Calder I could not find a marriage of a James Calder to Catherine MacPherson, there is a marriage of a James Calder to Catherine MacCurrach in 1752 Nairn (actually the banns). Nothing was gleaned from this other than he was of the parish of Auldearn and she from Nairn at that time. Looking into the christenings above: Not sure what happened with Isabel. I think I have Margaret correct.......married James Tulloch I thought William was ours but since my James Calder was a tailor and this William a son of a farmer, I am not sure. Not sure what happened with James John Calder married Margaret Bain in 1785 Nairn (not sure which one, descendents have the 1763 John). John and Margaret had several children. I have only been able to follow a two or three with relative certainty. The hitch in this is that no James Calder is listed to this couple although there are gaps in the christening dates. What I have tied into records.......... Their first born daughter, Catherine (b. 1786 - witnesses James Tulloch and Catherine MacCurrach) married John Rose in 1821 Nairn, Nairn and immigrated to Canada with their family in 1832, settling near my James Calder in Dumfries, Waterloo, Ontario. Their fifth born daughter, Alexandrina, married James Rose in 1826 Nairn, Nairn and most of their children were christened in Moray. Their second born son, John, christened in 1806 Nairn, was a shoemaker in Nairn. He married Anne Ross in 1830 Nairn, Nairn. This is the only family out of all of them that I am certain about as someone found their family bible and I checked the information against "official records". They immigrated to Ontario in the 1850's. Their son John Calder was a ready-made clothing manufacturer in Hamilton, Ontario. His wife Sarah Beemer is responsible for a war memorial in Hamilton. Her name "Mrs. John Calder" is engraved in same. If you have managed to muddle through any of this.............do you think it possible that the farmer was also a tailor? Do you think that since James Tulloch appears as a witness to my James Calder's christening in 1785 that I might have him tied to the correct family? I would very much like to hear your opinions on this family. Kind regards, Sherry