Can any Lister help me out pinpointing the croft of DOULSBURN, parish of Speymouth? I'm doing some Innes research in the area and cannot find it on the Land Ranger map #28. I do know Speymouth parish was made up from the parishes of Essil and Dipple, so I think it must be the same general area, but cannot find it. I also know not all crofts are on the map, but I'm taking a chance that someone who lives in the NE of Scotland is on line. The info I have is that the family lived there, banns were: 'Robert Innes in Speymouth and Margaret Phimister were matrimonially contracted Dec 22nd and married at Urquhart Jany 3rd 1793." This family is still there in 1841 on the census, given as 'Doulsburn, Speymouth Parish.' Thanks for any help offered. Goldie

A rather belated, but sincere thanks to all who took the time to answer my querie and forward on your excellent information. I really appreciate the help. Jean Stewart Canada

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Marilyn_Neave Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/370.874/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Fiona, I am a decendant of William Thomson and Elizabeth Hay, what info are you looking for, my great gran was Elizabeth Thomson I believe a sister of James. Marilyn Neave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Wright Graham wrote: >Hi, >I have recently obtained the birth an death registration details of Janet Scott who was born in Boharm on 20th December 1825 and died in Rathven on June 19th 1892. > >The birth registration states William Scott, Rushes had a child in fornication with Margt. Milne. I have been unable to find Rushes on Libindex or various web sites and maps. Does anyone know of a way of finding were Rushes might be? > I can find no sign of "Rushes" either. Could the entry actually say "Rothes"? The reason I ask is that, until the great boundary realignment of 1891, the county boundary between Banffshire and Moray (or Elginshire) did not coincide with the boundary between the parishes of Boharm and Rothes. There was a narrow strip of territory on the east bank of the river Spey which, until 1891, belonged to Boharm, but lay in Elginshire. The situation was rectified by transferring this area, in 1891, to the parish of Rothes, but it may well be that, before this official transfer of territory, the area was locally considered to belong to Rothes. The "List of Placenames" which accompanied the 1st Edition of the Ordnance Survey large-scale maps in the 1860s and 1870s lists "Rothes" as a placename in Boharm, but as there is, on the relevant sheet, no single place thus named, I rather think this means that the label applied to the whole of this small area, which comprised the estate of Aikenway, including Brockholes and Sheriffhaugh. Gavin Bell

Hi, I have recently obtained the birth an death registration details of Janet Scott who was born in Boharm on 20th December 1825 and died in Rathven on June 19th 1892. The birth registration states William Scott, Rushes had a child in fornication with Margt. Milne. I have been unable to find Rushes on Libindex or various web sites and maps. Does anyone know of a way of finding were Rushes might be? In the 1841 census there is a William Scott at Mossend and I am hoping that this is Janet's father but I can not find any evidence to link them besides the fact that one of the witnesses at the baptism was Janet Gordon of Malcolmburn. Malcolmburn and Mossend are very close. regards Graham

Dear Antonio It is entirely possible that you are descended from someone with the name Alves and/or who came from Alves. Not to say that you are,  but it is possible. Just take a look at all the places the Scots got to in the world and named either after themsleves or their town ! Maybe your ancestor was involved in a trade which brought him to Portugal as often happened (e.g wine merchant , sailor) . I looked at Libindx the Moray Council genealogical website and there are 12 people from Moray who died in Portugal - none with the surname Alves. And there are 105 people with the surname Alves , none of whom died in Portugal. I would have a google and see what you find. Good luck with your search. Regards Karen The Good You Do Comes Back To You. --- On Sun, 6/9/09, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: [MORAY] Alves family history from Alves in Scotland To: MORAY-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, 6 September, 2009, 3:37 PM This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alves1964 Surnames: Alves Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My name is Antonio Alves, i can trace back my family only to my great grand parents who were born in Fanzeres, Gondomar, Porto, Portugal. I would like to know if the Alves name originated from the town called ALVES in northern Scotland. Does anyone have any information about this. I would like to hear from you. Rgds Antonio Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: keithmcrobb76 Surnames: Grant and Stuart Glenlivet Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Doris Yes I am Peter Joseph Stuart granddaughter.Peter left Glenlivet in appx 1898 and joined the army.Some how he went to India and worked on the railways and did rather well. He was awarded the OBE in 1920.He married Flora Lumsden in 1907 and they had 5 children,my father Peter Rudolf Joseph b 1908. Peter J died in 1947 in India. 2 of the "children" stayed in India and died there. Thank you so much, you letter on the Glenlivet Project opened many doors for my search. Diane keith.di@talktalk.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alves1964 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Rhoda, Ah maybe its the Scots that are lucky to have a Portuguese name and it being such a nice royal name they decided to name one of their towns after it....i think it was an Alves who had too much port wine and wandered off and landed up in Alves.. just kidding. Oh well either way it would be very interesting to find out which is what im trying to do. i will look at the General Register of Scotland, thanks for the advice. rgds antonio Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: overson12 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Antonio Scotlands People, the website of the General Register Office for Scotland, has 392 records of the births of people with the surname Alves between 1538 and 1854. I have looked at the first page of the index of results and most of those were born in Moray, some in Alves itself. Of course this doesn't prove that you are lucky enough to have Scottish ancestors but at least you know that it is a Scottish surname! Between 1855 and 2006, 396 births were recorded with this surname. So it is a fairly uncommon surname but does exist. And there are a number of prominent Scottish families in the port making business in Portugal, aren't there eg the Cockburns. Rhoda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alves1964 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My name is pronounced as one one word not broken up as you say, theres no need to emphasise the "al" , its one continual word. the "sh" as you mention is more prominent in the Brazilian Portuguese, not in the Portugal Portuguese. Again the pronunciation may be different but the spelling is the same. thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello, Just a small point, you may be better going to the Heritage Centre in Elgin rather than the Library. It is situated in an annexe of the old East End School in Institution Road. If you put 'Institution Road, Elgin' into Multimap you will see it is quite close to the present library. The road end is blocked at the A96 end and you can only access it from the other end of Institution Road or down Queen Street. It is at this end that the Heritage Centre is located. Mark Whitton. ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <MORAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MORAY] Farm location..... > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: keithmcrobb76 > Surnames: Stuart and Grant Glenlivet > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hi, after a break of 10 years from the task of searching for my ancestors, > I have been going onto web sites various, to get more info. A real boon > finding you. As to Anne Stuart nee Grant, she had 5 children, when > married, I think she lived in 3 Lamb St Bishophill in Elgin two of the > children Jane 1870 and Thomas 1872 were born there.The next child Isabella > Charlotte 1876 William Grant 1878 and my Grandfather Peter Joseph August > 17 1880 all > born a house called Rosemount in Chapeltown. Chapeltown is a very small > stop end glen. > She married William, at Old Machar in Aberdeen. His name on the cert is > William John Stuart, he was 26, and his occupation was "provisions > merchant". On the cert Anne was said to live at Shenval Glenlivet, and she > was aged 27. > I am going up to Glenlivet with my cousin, (also a member of the > bloodline,) on 19th Sept, and hope to find more info. Anything I find I > will send to you. If you need me to ask in the library at Elgin, about > anything, please say. > I am having difficuity finding Thomas Isabella and William G .Thomas was > on the census 1881 living with James Grant at farm of Pans.Thank you again > Diane > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.80/2349 - Release Date: 09/06/09 05:51:00

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbell152 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You wrote: "I also have to correct you on the pronunciation of my name, you have indicated it as "al-vesh" like breaking up the word in two, but the correct way is Alves, no break up or dividing the word, its one continual word." The "breaking up" was merely an attempt to emphasise the fact that the "al" is pronounced in full, unlike the "avv-" in Alves, the village. But I believe I am correct that the final "-s" in your surname is pronounced as "-sh"? So unless you tell me different, that still means that the two names are pronounced very differently, which makes it unlikely they are linked other than by coincidence. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DMG66 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Diane, Going thru some of my info re:James Grant & the Farm of Pans....apparently at one time it was leased or belonged to the family of James' second wife, Helen McIntosh.... Latter Day Saints website: IGI has a Helen McIntosh b.30 Dec 1842 & christened 15 Jan. 1843 Elgin, Moray. Her parents were Robert McIntosh & Helen Clark. What is your descendent line from Peter Joseph??? Likely you & my husband are 1st cousins about 4X removed.... Best of regards, doris Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alves1964 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi regardless how its pronounced, the spelling is the same for both my surname and the town. We dont changed the name like in Lisboa to Lisbon, the name of the town is the same. i also have to correct you on the pronunciation of my name, you have indicated it as "al-vesh" like breaking up the word in two, but the correct way is Alves, no break up or dividing the word, its one continual word. I had also read that people had assumed the name of the town when they travelled afar. i have also searched records of birth/marriage etc cert of the name Alves from Moray, Nairnshire area rgds antonio Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gbell152 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Unlikely. I imagine you are basing your supposition on how the two words are spelled, but when tracing linguistic links, it is the pronunciation that counts, not how they happen to have been written. And these two names sound quite different. I once learned a little Potuguese, and one of the things which remains in my mind is that the letter "s" at the end of a word is always pronounced like "sh", which would make your surname something like "al-vesh". The village and parish in Moray, on the other hand, is, I think, usually pronounced "avves" - that is, the "l" is not sounded. So I am inclined to think that the similarity in spelling is merely a coincidence. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alves1964 Surnames: Alves Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2374/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My name is Antonio Alves, i can trace back my family only to my great grand parents who were born in Fanzeres, Gondomar, Porto, Portugal. I would like to know if the Alves name originated from the town called ALVES in northern Scotland. Does anyone have any information about this. I would like to hear from you. Rgds Antonio Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: keithmcrobb76 Surnames: Stuart and Grant Glenlivet Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, after a break of 10 years from the task of searching for my ancestors, I have been going onto web sites various, to get more info. A real boon finding you. As to Anne Stuart nee Grant, she had 5 children, when married, I think she lived in 3 Lamb St Bishophill in Elgin two of the children Jane 1870 and Thomas 1872 were born there.The next child Isabella Charlotte 1876 William Grant 1878 and my Grandfather Peter Joseph August 17 1880 all born a house called Rosemount in Chapeltown. Chapeltown is a very small stop end glen. She married William, at Old Machar in Aberdeen. His name on the cert is William John Stuart, he was 26, and his occupation was "provisions merchant". On the cert Anne was said to live at Shenval Glenlivet, and she was aged 27. I am going up to Glenlivet with my cousin, (also a member of the bloodline,) on 19th Sept, and hope to find more info. Anything I find I will send to you. If you need me to ask in the library at Elgin, about anything, please say. I am having difficuity finding Thomas Isabella and William G .Thomas was on the census 1881 living with James Grant at farm of Pans.Thank you again Diane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DMG66 Surnames: Grant. Gordon. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Diane, your note is interesting & I would like to have more info of Ann's family. The James Grant that your T.J.C. Stuart stayed with would have been an uncle... he was also a brother to my husband's gr-grandfather Peter Grant b.1834, who married Helen Gordon of Tullochallum, a farm in Dufftown. They had 4 boys and in 1872 the family emigrated to Canada where Peter worked as a surveyor on the railways. I have a fair bit of info on both the Grant & Gordon families as Alex's grandfather wrote their histories and would be willing to share. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Diane, It was great to hear from you....and yes, you are related to my husband Alex...I would be interested in more details (dates etc) of Anne's family & descendents.... The James & Jane/Jean Grant that your T.J.C. Stuart stayed with at Farm of Pans would have been his grandparents.... Did you know that this James Grant was a distiller & worked with George Gow Smith at the Minmore Distillery at Auchorachan? The James Grant, born 16 Aug 1839, a brother of Anne....was also a distiller who went on to establish the Highland Park distillery in the Orkneys & so was quite well to do.....He was also a brother of my husband's gr-grandfather, Peter Grant b. 1834 who married Helen Gordon of Dufftown, they had 4 boys, and the family emigrated to Canada in 1872 as Peter worked on the railway system. I have a fair bit of information, as Alex's grandfather, Alexander Joseph Grant, wrote a history of both his parents families, the Grants & the Gordons... and am willing to share. Best of regards, dmg On 9/5/09, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: keithmcrobb76 > Surnames: Stuart & Grant > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I am the great grandaughter of Peter Joseph Stuart, born Chapeltown > Glenlivet in 1880. Peters mother was Ann Grant who married William > Stuart,they lived at Rosemount Chapeltown. > Anne died giving birth to Peter, her 5th child. Anne was the sister of > James Grant, who was born 16 Aug 1839. > Peters eldest brother,Thomas James Clark Stuart,went to live,after Annes > death, with James Grant, at Farm of Pans at Elgin. T.J.C. Stuart was born in > 1872. > Would love to hear any info about the family, and hope to remain in > contact with you. > Best regards, Diane > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and > respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: keithmcrobb76 Surnames: Stuart & Grant Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.mor.general/2278.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am the great grandaughter of Peter Joseph Stuart, born Chapeltown Glenlivet in 1880. Peters mother was Ann Grant who married William Stuart,they lived at Rosemount Chapeltown. Anne died giving birth to Peter, her 5th child. Anne was the sister of James Grant, who was born 16 Aug 1839. Peters eldest brother,Thomas James Clark Stuart,went to live,after Annes death, with James Grant, at Farm of Pans at Elgin. T.J.C. Stuart was born in 1872. Would love to hear any info about the family, and hope to remain in contact with you. Best regards, Diane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.