I really liked the community spirit these last few days helping other searchers break down a brick wall.............I personally enjoyed Jim Bagby's chase. Since the boards have been particularly quiet these past months, now would be a great time to send in your "brick wall" and give all of us some information on who you're looking for with pertinent info. I think it could be great fun, enchance the boards, and liven things up a bit. Whaddya think? Wilma Patterson-Santos Surnames: ASBURY, BAILEY, CABLE, PATTERSON, SIMS, et al............. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:59 AM, <ITSJBAGBY@aol.com> wrote: > > Thanks Kathy Bowlin This corrects lots & adds more data for me > I will add what I found on Roma's Husband > Here again. the spelling changes for Stephen E Elliott to his MO Death > certificate > Stephan E Elloitt ( I believe his daughter filled out his DC) Mrs Charles > Clayton of St Louis.? > Stephan E Elliott Born MO father/mother KY in Sept 14-1866 died Sept > 10-1952 in Parkview Nursing Home in Buchanan CO MO, St Joseph. > He was the son of Joseph Elliott & M.R. Lee. He was a Retired St Joseph > School Teacher. He died from Leukemia > He like his wife Roma, are both buried in Ashland Cemetery In St JO. > I added them to findagrave dot com. > Stephan or Stephen? Ha. > James M Bagby Indep MO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------ > Found online with Ancestry.com the original image from the marriage book > from Randolph county, Missouri, for 1902, page 139. > > Mr. Stephen E. Elliott of Moberly, county of Randolph, state of Missouri, > over age 18, to Miss Roma Lee Carver, of Moberly, county of Randolph State > of Missouri, applied for license to marry on 19 Aug 1902. Marriage return > was on the 20th of August, 1902. They were married by John Regan, a > catholic priest in Moberly. > > They can be found in 1910 in St. Joseph Missouri, Ward 5, Buchanan > county, > Missouri. > ===================================================== > 1910 United States Federal Census 1910 United States Federal Census > Name: Stephen E Elliott > Age in 1910: 43 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 > Birthplace: Missouri > Relation to Head of House: Head > Father's Birth Place: Kentucky > Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky > Spouse's Name: Roma > Home in 1910: St Joseph Ward 5, Buchanan, Missouri > Marital Status: Married > Race: White > Gender: Male > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Stephen E Elliott 43 > Roma Elliott 33 > Mary E Elliott 6 > Edwin S Elliott 2 > Rebecca Elliott 3/12 > > > > > Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: St Joseph Ward 5, Buchanan, > Missouri; Roll: T624_772; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 76; Image: 162. > > Source Information: > > Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. > Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. For details on the > contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA > Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Thirteenth > Census of the United States, 1910. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and > Records Administration, 1910. T624, 1,178 rolls. > > Description: > This database is an index to the head of households enumerated in the > 1910 United States Federal Census, the Thirteenth Census of the United > States. In addition, each indexed name is linked to actual images of the > 1910 Federal Census. The information recorded in the census includes: > name, > relationship to head of family, age at last birthday, sex, color or race, > whether single, married, widowed, or divorced, birthplace, birthplace of > father and mother, and more. > > > > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. ( > http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way you cope with it is what makes the difference." Wilma/Mom/Grandma

--- Wilma Santos <gmasanny@gmail.com> wrote: > I really liked the community spirit these last few > days helping other > searchers break down a brick wall............. My reply: I’ll try to liven things up a bit with a discussion about my dead relatives. If the song “I Want a Girl Just Like the Girl that Married Dear Old Dad,” published 1911, had been published earlier I can imagine my Great-Grandfather Hardin (m. 1878) singing it. My question: Is it possible to determine a blood relationship between his mother (maiden name Susan Hubbard) and his wife (maiden name Sarah Nannie Hubbard)? Subsidiary questions: Who were the parents and grandparents of Susan Hubbard who was born in Virginia in 1818 and who married Ben Hardin (1810-1879)? Who were the parents of Nannie’s Grandfather Joel Hubbard (b. abt 1803 in Garrard Co., KY) who migrated to Randolph Co., MO abt 1826? I have a 1910 Randolph Co. Plat book and I believe (hope my imagination’s not playing tricks on me) I have seen earlier plat maps, one of which shows a small plot of land about 4 miles south of Renick in Twp 52N, Range 13W at one time being owned by a Moses Hubbard and an adjacent small plot owned by one of the Asa Hubbards. And a later plat map, but earlier than the 1910 plat map shows at least one of these two former Hubbard plots being owned by Ben Hardin. Rootsweb database jupep shows Asa K. “Arch” Hubbard (born in VA) died in 1878 about 4 miles south of Renick, MO leaving a widow whose maiden name of Luthersia "Priscilla" Gooch. Arch and Priscilla had a granddaughter named Susan Hubbard (b. 1841) but did they also have a daughter named Susan Hubbard? Other Rootsweb databases also show Asa K. Hubbard dying possibly in Randolph Co., MO but they show his mother rather than his wife with the maiden name Gooch(ee) and a first name as Lu Thursa (sounds a lot like Luthersia). Those databases (e.g. rnrhughes) show Lu Thursa married Hardy Hubbard. The jupep database shows Asa K. “Arch” Hubbard’s son Asa K. Hubbard married to Martha Owen, sister of Ben Hardin’s second wife Elizabeth. There’s no dearth of marriages between Hubbards and Gooches but I think all but the aforementioned above are New England marriages and some of those involve men named Moses Hubbard. From the early days in the southern portion of the eastern seaboard there were numerous Moses Hubbards as well as people with the surname Gooch and they migrated westward. Now to shift gears to another Gooch connection to my family tree, one that is less tentative. My Grandmother Hardin was a granddaughter of Stephen and Margaret (Kimbrough) Brockman sister of John Stuart Kimbrough of Roanoke who was the husband of my Grandmother Hardin’s Great Aunt. Margaret Kimbrough’s 1C1R William Kimbrough was the husband of Elizabeth Gooch whose sister Nancy Gooch was a grandmother of U.S. Senator Thomas Hart Benton and a gg-grandmother of Missouri artist Thomas Hart Benton. I’ve seen this Gooch family has roots in America back to the mid-1600s. -- Ben Hardin