Thanks for that suggestion--I thought of that one too, and in fact considered that to be the case for a long time, until I really compared the censuses and noticed that the younger children in the 1860 census are in the household in the 1870 census. That was when I decided I had a really confusing situation! I just hope Joshua wasn't running two households at the same time!!

I have marriage records for two separate women, with two different last names. I wish they were the same person! It would sure make things easier.

Diane, I checked Harlan's Transcription of Marriage & Deaths in Randolph Co. Missouri for the years 1854-1879. I couldn't find anything for Mary Sweeney Wright. The only Wright obituaries listed for your above time period were for: Elizabeth Wright d. April 5, 1857; William A. Wright d. October 7, 1856. I would have to assume that Mary died prior to 1853 when Joshua married Lucretia Chism *Marriage Records for Randolph County, Missouri 1829-1859 * *Name*: Jehua Wright *Spouse*: Lucretia Chrissom *Marriage Date*: 14 Jun 1853 I don't know if you've read this article about their son, Zephaniah, but thought I'd transcribe it to you whether you had or hadn't. This comes from "The History of Randolph and Macon Counties, Missouri" ZEPHANIAH WRIGHT (Farmer and Stock-Raiser, Feeder, and Dealer Mr. W. was born January 29, 1937, while his parents, Joshua Wright and Mary Sweney (possible the author omitted an E), were on the road between Illinois and Missouri. They came first from Kentucky in 1836, and only lived in Illinois for one year. On arriving at their destination they settled in Boone County but after a four years' stay, moved to Randolph. Here Zephaniah Wright grew to manhood, and shared the advantages in schooling common to the neighborhood. In 1861, on account of the disturbed state of the country, consequent upon the eruption of the Civil War, Mr. W. with that discretion that is the better part of valor, " Folded his tents like the Arabs, And, silently stole away". Kansas received him into her bosom for the next five years, and in the spring of 1866, he returned to Randolph. He bought one place and lived upon it two years, then sold it and bought land not far distant, where he now resides. He has a farm of 347 acres, all fenced, and in pasture and cultivation. Upon this there is a comfortable house with good out-buildings, etc; also a thrifty young orchard. Mr. W. possesses besides 160 acres of land, all fenced and in meadow pasture, and he owns still another tract of 120 acres, partially improved and containing a small house. He feeds an average 150 heads of cattle yearly, and about the same number of hogs, sometimes shipping, sometimes selling at home to other shippers, and, to a limited extent, buying for shipping purposes. Mr. Wright is of shrewd and perceptive faculties, and with keen sagacity, he he guides his craft safely through the inevitable snags and shoals that too often prove fatal to other voyagers. He showed the same wisdom in selecting a wife as in the conduct of his business affairs when he married March 31, 1861, Miss Elizabeth, daughter of Henderson Sims, formerly of Virginia. Mrs. Wright herself was born and raised in Boone County. There are five children; Lincoln, Joshuah H., Lizzie, William M., and Mary E. Two died at tender ages. If you'd like to find more obit or marriage notices that appeared in Randolph Co. newspapers, e-mail me offline and I'd be happy to help. I've looked every place I could think of to try and find info for you, but just continued coming up empty-handed. Wish I could have been more help. Wilma Patterson-Santos Surnames: Asbury, Bailey, Cable, Patterson, Sims, Willis, et al................... On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Diane Parrish <dianesparrish@mac.com> wrote: > Thank you for your kind offer to do look-ups. I am trying to find an > obituary, death record or burial record for Mary Sweeney Wright, wife > of Joshua Wright, who died between 1853 and 1870 in Randolph county, > near Sturgeon. Her father was Daniel Sweeney who died in Boone county > in 1851 and her brother was Archibald Sweeney, who also died in Boone > county, in 1863. Joshua Wright, her husband, died May 24,1876 and is > buried in Wright cemetery near Sturgeon, but it seems Mary is not > there. Any info you find would be greatly appreciated. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way you cope with it is what makes the difference." Wilma/Mom/Grandma

Could you have two men of the name Joshua Wright? Cousins perhaps? My Shelton line repeats constantly that way. Just a thought. Good luck with your research.

Have you considered the wife's name may have been Mary Lucretia or Lucretia Mary? I had a very similar situation looking for what I thought were two wives, Blanche and the initial A. I eventually found confirmation that the wife's name was Audrey Blanche Brunk. Only the one, and I had been chasing two women for quite some time.

Yes, it seems Mary died first as Joshua is with his second wife, Lucretia Chism, in the 1870 census. What is extremely weird is that there is a marriage record for Joshua and Lucretia in Randolph county 1853, but Mary is listed as living with Joshua in the 1860 census. That may be a mistake and the wife in that household may actually be Lucretia, but the age and location of birth is correct for Mary, not Lucretia. Neither wife is buried with Joshua in the Wright cemetery, according to the transcription, but there are other Chisms buried there, and at least two of Joshua's known children, Zephaniah, son of Joshua and Mary, and Cornelia Wright, b. abt. 1854. daughter of J. and L., according to her headstone.

Opps... Sorry, I looked at the dates incorrectly. Mary died first. ~Leslie~ ---- GARY & LESLIE KOHLER <aug67@cox.net> wrote: Hi Diane, Have you already tried searching for any of Mary & Joshua's children, to see if she might have re-married? That's how I found one of my lost widow relatives. Also, I have an Ancestry subscription, if you'd like me to look there. Leslie ---- Diane Parrish <dianesparrish@mac.com> wrote: Thank you for your kind offer to do look-ups. I am trying to find an obituary, death record or burial record for Mary Sweeney Wright, wife of Joshua Wright, who died between 1853 and 1870 in Randolph county, near Sturgeon. Her father was Daniel Sweeney who died in Boone county in 1851 and her brother was Archibald Sweeney, who also died in Boone county, in 1863. Joshua Wright, her husband, died May 24,1876 and is buried in Wright cemetery near Sturgeon, but it seems Mary is not there. Any info you find would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Diane, Have you already tried searching for any of Mary & Joshua's children, to see if she might have re-married? That's how I found one of my lost widow relatives. Also, I have an Ancestry subscription, if you'd like me to look there. Leslie ---- Diane Parrish <dianesparrish@mac.com> wrote: Thank you for your kind offer to do look-ups. I am trying to find an obituary, death record or burial record for Mary Sweeney Wright, wife of Joshua Wright, who died between 1853 and 1870 in Randolph county, near Sturgeon. Her father was Daniel Sweeney who died in Boone county in 1851 and her brother was Archibald Sweeney, who also died in Boone county, in 1863. Joshua Wright, her husband, died May 24,1876 and is buried in Wright cemetery near Sturgeon, but it seems Mary is not there. Any info you find would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your kind offer to do look-ups. I am trying to find an obituary, death record or burial record for Mary Sweeney Wright, wife of Joshua Wright, who died between 1853 and 1870 in Randolph county, near Sturgeon. Her father was Daniel Sweeney who died in Boone county in 1851 and her brother was Archibald Sweeney, who also died in Boone county, in 1863. Joshua Wright, her husband, died May 24,1876 and is buried in Wright cemetery near Sturgeon, but it seems Mary is not there. Any info you find would be greatly appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DarHenderson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.randolph/899.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might want to check this site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~randolphroots/ There are a lot of Randolph county cemeteries listed. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Sorry, I got most of my info from Ben. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Wilma Santos <gmasanny@gmail.com> To: morandol@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:02 am Subject: Re: [MORANDOL] re (Roma) Bilderbeck, Carver, Elliott Kris, No we've not talked about the Hubbards and Kimbroughs; just the Spurlings.............that message actually came from Ben Hardin. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM, <walkinfan1@aol.com> wrote: > wilma > I have information on the hubbards and the kimbroughs, have we talked about > this before? I am away from my computer that has the info on it. I know we > have talked but not sure which family. Will look at home and email again. > Kris > walkinfan1@aol.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Hardin <asiperceive@yahoo.com> > To: morandol@rootsweb.com > Cc: MORANDOL-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 1:21 pm > Subject: Re: [MORANDOL] re (Roma) Bilderbeck, Carver, Elliott > > > > > -- Wilma Santos <gmasanny@gmail.com> wrote: > > I really liked the community spirit these last few > days helping other > searchers break down a brick wall............. > My reply: > 'll try to liven things up a bit with a discussion > bout my dead relatives. > If the song "I Want a Girl Just Like the Girl that > arried Dear Old Dad," published 1911, had been > ublished earlier I can imagine my Great-Grandfather > ardin (m. 1878) singing it. My question: Is it > ossible to determine a blood relationship between his > other (maiden name Susan Hubbard) and his wife > maiden name Sarah Nannie Hubbard)? > Subsidiary questions: Who were the parents and > randparents of Susan Hubbard who was born in Virginia > n 1818 and who married Ben Hardin (1810-1879)? Who > ere the parents of Nannie's Grandfather Joel Hubbard > b. abt 1803 in Garrard Co., KY) who migrated to > andolph Co., MO abt 1826? > I have a 1910 Randolph Co. Plat book and I believe > hope my imagination's not playing tricks on me) I > ave seen earlier plat maps, one of which shows a > mall plot of land about 4 miles south of Renick in > wp 52N, Range 13W at one time being owned by a Moses > ubbard and an adjacent small plot owned by one of the > sa Hubbards. And a later plat map, but earlier than > he 1910 plat map shows at least one of these two > ormer Hubbard plots being owned by Ben Hardin. > Rootsweb database jupep shows Asa K. "Arch" Hubbard > born in VA) died in 1878 about 4 miles south of > enick, MO leaving a widow whose maiden name of > uthersia "Priscilla" Gooch. Arch and Priscilla had a > randdaughter named Susan Hubbard (b. 1841) but did > hey also have a daughter named Susan Hubbard? > Other Rootsweb databases also show Asa K. Hubbard > ying possibly in Randolph Co., MO but they show his > other rather than his wife with the maiden name > ooch(ee) and a first name as Lu Thursa (sounds a lot > ike Luthersia). Those databases (e.g. rnrhughes) > how Lu Thursa married Hardy Hubbard. > The jupep database shows Asa K. "Arch" Hubbard's son > sa K. Hubbard married to Martha Owen, sister of Ben > ardin's second wife Elizabeth. > There's no dearth of marriages between Hubbards and > ooches but I think all but the aforementioned above > re New England marriages and some of those involve > en named Moses Hubbard. From the early days in the > outhern portion of the eastern seaboard there were > umerous Moses Hubbards as well as people with the > urname Gooch and they migrated westward. > Now to shift gears to another Gooch connection to my > amily tree, one that is less tentative. My > randmother Hardin was a granddaughter of Stephen and > argaret (Kimbrough) Brockman sister of John Stuart > imbrough of Roanoke who was the husband of my > randmother Hardin's Great Aunt. Margaret Kimbrough's > C1R William Kimbrough was the husband of Elizabeth > ooch whose sister Nancy Gooch was a grandmother of > .S. Senator Thomas Hart Benton and a gg-grandmother > f Missouri artist Thomas Hart Benton. I've seen this > ooch family has roots in America back to the > id-1600s. > > -- Ben Hardin > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way you cope with it is what makes the difference." Wilma/Mom/Grandma ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kris, No we've not talked about the Hubbards and Kimbroughs; just the Spurlings.............that message actually came from Ben Hardin. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:49 AM, <walkinfan1@aol.com> wrote: > wilma > I have information on the hubbards and the kimbroughs, have we talked about > this before? I am away from my computer that has the info on it. I know we > have talked but not sure which family. Will look at home and email again. > Kris > walkinfan1@aol.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Hardin <asiperceive@yahoo.com> > To: morandol@rootsweb.com > Cc: MORANDOL-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 1:21 pm > Subject: Re: [MORANDOL] re (Roma) Bilderbeck, Carver, Elliott > > > > > -- Wilma Santos <gmasanny@gmail.com> wrote: > > I really liked the community spirit these last few > days helping other > searchers break down a brick wall............. > My reply: > 'll try to liven things up a bit with a discussion > bout my dead relatives. > If the song "I Want a Girl Just Like the Girl that > arried Dear Old Dad," published 1911, had been > ublished earlier I can imagine my Great-Grandfather > ardin (m. 1878) singing it. My question: Is it > ossible to determine a blood relationship between his > other (maiden name Susan Hubbard) and his wife > maiden name Sarah Nannie Hubbard)? > Subsidiary questions: Who were the parents and > randparents of Susan Hubbard who was born in Virginia > n 1818 and who married Ben Hardin (1810-1879)? Who > ere the parents of Nannie's Grandfather Joel Hubbard > b. abt 1803 in Garrard Co., KY) who migrated to > andolph Co., MO abt 1826? > I have a 1910 Randolph Co. Plat book and I believe > hope my imagination's not playing tricks on me) I > ave seen earlier plat maps, one of which shows a > mall plot of land about 4 miles south of Renick in > wp 52N, Range 13W at one time being owned by a Moses > ubbard and an adjacent small plot owned by one of the > sa Hubbards. And a later plat map, but earlier than > he 1910 plat map shows at least one of these two > ormer Hubbard plots being owned by Ben Hardin. > Rootsweb database jupep shows Asa K. "Arch" Hubbard > born in VA) died in 1878 about 4 miles south of > enick, MO leaving a widow whose maiden name of > uthersia "Priscilla" Gooch. Arch and Priscilla had a > randdaughter named Susan Hubbard (b. 1841) but did > hey also have a daughter named Susan Hubbard? > Other Rootsweb databases also show Asa K. Hubbard > ying possibly in Randolph Co., MO but they show his > other rather than his wife with the maiden name > ooch(ee) and a first name as Lu Thursa (sounds a lot > ike Luthersia). Those databases (e.g. rnrhughes) > how Lu Thursa married Hardy Hubbard. > The jupep database shows Asa K. "Arch" Hubbard's son > sa K. Hubbard married to Martha Owen, sister of Ben > ardin's second wife Elizabeth. > There's no dearth of marriages between Hubbards and > ooches but I think all but the aforementioned above > re New England marriages and some of those involve > en named Moses Hubbard. From the early days in the > outhern portion of the eastern seaboard there were > umerous Moses Hubbards as well as people with the > urname Gooch and they migrated westward. > Now to shift gears to another Gooch connection to my > amily tree, one that is less tentative. My > randmother Hardin was a granddaughter of Stephen and > argaret (Kimbrough) Brockman sister of John Stuart > imbrough of Roanoke who was the husband of my > randmother Hardin's Great Aunt. Margaret Kimbrough's > C1R William Kimbrough was the husband of Elizabeth > ooch whose sister Nancy Gooch was a grandmother of > .S. Senator Thomas Hart Benton and a gg-grandmother > f Missouri artist Thomas Hart Benton. I've seen this > ooch family has roots in America back to the > id-1600s. > > -- Ben Hardin > > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way you cope with it is what makes the difference." Wilma/Mom/Grandma

wilma I have information on the hubbards and the kimbroughs, have we talked about this before?  I am away from my computer that has the info on it.  I know we have talked but not sure which family.  Will look at home and email again. Kris walkinfan1@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Ben Hardin <asiperceive@yahoo.com> To: morandol@rootsweb.com Cc: MORANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 1:21 pm Subject: Re: [MORANDOL] re (Roma) Bilderbeck, Carver, Elliott -- Wilma Santos <gmasanny@gmail.com> wrote: > I really liked the community spirit these last few days helping other searchers break down a brick wall............. My reply: ’ll try to liven things up a bit with a discussion bout my dead relatives. If the song “I Want a Girl Just Like the Girl that arried Dear Old Dad,” published 1911, had been ublished earlier I can imagine my Great-Grandfather ardin (m. 1878) singing it. My question: Is it ossible to determine a blood relationship between his other (maiden name Susan Hubbard) and his wife maiden name Sarah Nannie Hubbard)? Subsidiary questions: Who were the parents and randparents of Susan Hubbard who was born in Virginia n 1818 and who married Ben Hardin (1810-1879)? Who ere the parents of Nannie’s Grandfather Joel Hubbard b. abt 1803 in Garrard Co., KY) who migrated to andolph Co., MO abt 1826? I have a 1910 Randolph Co. Plat book and I believe hope my imagination’s not playing tricks on me) I ave seen earlier plat maps, one of which shows a mall plot of land about 4 miles south of Renick in wp 52N, Range 13W at one time being owned by a Moses ubbard and an adjacent small plot owned by one of the sa Hubbards. And a later plat map, but earlier than he 1910 plat map shows at least one of these two ormer Hubbard plots being owned by Ben Hardin. Rootsweb database jupep shows Asa K. “Arch” Hubbard born in VA) died in 1878 about 4 miles south of enick, MO leaving a widow whose maiden name of uthersia "Priscilla" Gooch. Arch and Priscilla had a randdaughter named Susan Hubbard (b. 1841) but did hey also have a daughter named Susan Hubbard? Other Rootsweb databases also show Asa K. Hubbard ying possibly in Randolph Co., MO but they show his other rather than his wife with the maiden name ooch(ee) and a first name as Lu Thursa (sounds a lot ike Luthersia). Those databases (e.g. rnrhughes) how Lu Thursa married Hardy Hubbard. The jupep database shows Asa K. “Arch” Hubbard’s son sa K. Hubbard married to Martha Owen, sister of Ben ardin’s second wife Elizabeth. There’s no dearth of marriages between Hubbards and ooches but I think all but the aforementioned above re New England marriages and some of those involve en named Moses Hubbard. From the early days in the outhern portion of the eastern seaboard there were umerous Moses Hubbards as well as people with the urname Gooch and they migrated westward. Now to shift gears to another Gooch connection to my amily tree, one that is less tentative. My randmother Hardin was a granddaughter of Stephen and argaret (Kimbrough) Brockman sister of John Stuart imbrough of Roanoke who was the husband of my randmother Hardin’s Great Aunt. Margaret Kimbrough’s C1R William Kimbrough was the husband of Elizabeth ooch whose sister Nancy Gooch was a grandmother of .S. Senator Thomas Hart Benton and a gg-grandmother f Missouri artist Thomas Hart Benton. I’ve seen this ooch family has roots in America back to the id-1600s. -- Ben Hardin ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

--- Wilma Santos <gmasanny@gmail.com> wrote: > I really liked the community spirit these last few > days helping other > searchers break down a brick wall............. My reply: I’ll try to liven things up a bit with a discussion about my dead relatives. If the song “I Want a Girl Just Like the Girl that Married Dear Old Dad,” published 1911, had been published earlier I can imagine my Great-Grandfather Hardin (m. 1878) singing it. My question: Is it possible to determine a blood relationship between his mother (maiden name Susan Hubbard) and his wife (maiden name Sarah Nannie Hubbard)? Subsidiary questions: Who were the parents and grandparents of Susan Hubbard who was born in Virginia in 1818 and who married Ben Hardin (1810-1879)? Who were the parents of Nannie’s Grandfather Joel Hubbard (b. abt 1803 in Garrard Co., KY) who migrated to Randolph Co., MO abt 1826? I have a 1910 Randolph Co. Plat book and I believe (hope my imagination’s not playing tricks on me) I have seen earlier plat maps, one of which shows a small plot of land about 4 miles south of Renick in Twp 52N, Range 13W at one time being owned by a Moses Hubbard and an adjacent small plot owned by one of the Asa Hubbards. And a later plat map, but earlier than the 1910 plat map shows at least one of these two former Hubbard plots being owned by Ben Hardin. Rootsweb database jupep shows Asa K. “Arch” Hubbard (born in VA) died in 1878 about 4 miles south of Renick, MO leaving a widow whose maiden name of Luthersia "Priscilla" Gooch. Arch and Priscilla had a granddaughter named Susan Hubbard (b. 1841) but did they also have a daughter named Susan Hubbard? Other Rootsweb databases also show Asa K. Hubbard dying possibly in Randolph Co., MO but they show his mother rather than his wife with the maiden name Gooch(ee) and a first name as Lu Thursa (sounds a lot like Luthersia). Those databases (e.g. rnrhughes) show Lu Thursa married Hardy Hubbard. The jupep database shows Asa K. “Arch” Hubbard’s son Asa K. Hubbard married to Martha Owen, sister of Ben Hardin’s second wife Elizabeth. There’s no dearth of marriages between Hubbards and Gooches but I think all but the aforementioned above are New England marriages and some of those involve men named Moses Hubbard. From the early days in the southern portion of the eastern seaboard there were numerous Moses Hubbards as well as people with the surname Gooch and they migrated westward. Now to shift gears to another Gooch connection to my family tree, one that is less tentative. My Grandmother Hardin was a granddaughter of Stephen and Margaret (Kimbrough) Brockman sister of John Stuart Kimbrough of Roanoke who was the husband of my Grandmother Hardin’s Great Aunt. Margaret Kimbrough’s 1C1R William Kimbrough was the husband of Elizabeth Gooch whose sister Nancy Gooch was a grandmother of U.S. Senator Thomas Hart Benton and a gg-grandmother of Missouri artist Thomas Hart Benton. I’ve seen this Gooch family has roots in America back to the mid-1600s. -- Ben Hardin

Descendants of Cynthia A. Bagby ( From James M Bagby, Data base) 7-4-2008. 1 Cynthia A. Bagby b: March 08, 1826 in Scott, Co. KY. d: February 11, 1904 in Randolph, CO. MO. Burial: Unknown Cause of death: pneumonia. (Best guess is Oakland Cemetery) . +Samuel Bilderbeck b: Bet. 1817 - 1820 in Salem. Salem,CO. NJ. or NY. d: March 03, 1891 in Moberly, MO. Randolph, CO. Burial: Unknown 2 Ophelia Bilderbeck b: November 14, 1851 in Moberly, MO. Randolph CO d: November 06, 1936 in Randolph, CO. Moberly, MO. Burial: Oakland Cemetery Moberly, MO .... +Napolen B. Tritch b: August 27, 1838 in Maryland d: September 01, 1920 in Randolph, CO. Moberly, MO. Burial: Oakland Cemetery Moberly,MO ... 3 Samuel Tritch b: July 1876 in Mo. ....... +Mabel Lang b: 1886 in ILL. ...... 4 Roy Tritch b: 1908 in Mo. ... 3 Ellen Tritch b: May 1878 ... 3 Marvin Tritch b: June 1882 ... 3 Everett Tritch b: February 11, 1872 d: January 05, 1945 in Randolph, CO. MO. McCormic Hos. Moberly Burial: Oakland Cemetery Moberly, MO ....... +Emma R Owen b: February 02, 1878 d: February 03, 1953 in Randolph, CO. MO. Burial: Oakland Cemetery Moberly, MO 2 Susan Bilderbeck b: August 19, 1853 in Randolph CO MO. d: May 25, 1916 in Carroll CO MO Rockford TWP Near Bosworth, MO Burial: Hurrican Church Cemetery Hale,MO .... +John Weldon Crose b: April 06, 1844 in ILL. IND. IND. d: December 15, 1887 in Rockford Twp Carroll CO MO Burial: Hurrican Church Cemetery Hale. MO ... 3 Guy H Crose b: February 1875 in Ks d: 1974 in Rockford Twp Carroll CO MO Burial: Hurrican Church Cemetery Hale , MO ....... +Anna A. b: 1876 in Ohio Burial: Unknown ... 3 Claud M. Crose b: November 1883 d: 1979 in Rockford Twp Carroll CO MO Burial: Hurrican Cemetery Hale. MO ... 3 Carl W. Crose b: January 04, 1888 d: August 08, 1901 in Rockford Twp Carroll CO MO Burial: Hurrican Church Cemetery Hale , MO ... 3 Minnie Crose b: 1873 in Mo. 2 Mildred P. Bilderbeck b: Abt. 1856 in Randolph, CO. MO. d: Aft. 1886 .... +William Carver ... 3 Roma Lee Carver b: February 01, 1877 in Randolph, CO. MO. Moberly d: December 15, 1927 in St Joseph MO Burial: Ashland Cemetery St Joseph,MO ....... +Stephan E. Elliott b: September 14, 1866 in MO KY KY d: September 10, 1952 in Buchanan CO MO St Joseph Parkview Nursing Home Burial: Ashland Cemetery St Joseph,MO ...... 4 Mary Elizabeth Elliott b: 1904 ...... 4 Edwin S. Elliott b: 1908 ...... 4 Rebecca Elliott b: 1910 in MO .......... +Charles Clayton 2 Owen O. Bilderbeck b: Abt. December 1857 in MO. d: Bet. 1904 - 1909 .... +Anna ? 2 Mitchell Ward Bilderbeck b: August 24, 1860 in Randolph,CO. MO. d: December 01, 1927 in Denver, Col Burial: Fairmount Cemetery Denver,Col .... +Verginia Bell McCormick b: March 27, 1867 in Randolph, CO. MO. d: October 27, 1909 in Denver, Col Burial: Fairmount Cemetery Denver,Col ... 3 Roy Bilderbeck b: November 15, 1890 in Randolph, CO. MO. d: December 15, 1890 in Randolph, CO. MO. ... 3 Hermann Casper Bilderbeck b: January 24, 1892 in Randolph, CO. MO. d: January 1983 in Aurora, Araphahoe,Co, Colorado. 80231 ....... +Lucy Gillette Smith b: November 06, 1891 d: October 15, 1991 in New Mexico ...... 4 Mitchaell Ward Bilderbeck b: July 15, 1921 in Colorado. d: March 30, 2004 in Jemez Springs NM Sandoval CO 87025 Burial: Cremation, Pvt . .......... +Janet ? ...... 4 Barbara Bilderbeck b: October 20, 1922 in Denver, CO. Jefferson d: February 07, 1973 in Farmington, NM San Juan CO .......... + ? Boettcher ... 3 Goldena Ann Bilderbeck b: March 28, 1893 in Moberly, MO. Randolph, CO. d: July 30, 1979 in Denver,CO. Burial: Fairmount Cemetery Denver,CO ....... +Herbert Walter Oakes b: August 10, 1882 in St Paul, Minn. mich, Penn d: January 26, 1950 in Denver, CO. Burial: Fairmount Cemetery Denver,CO ...... 4 Dorothy Louise Oakes b: Abt. 1917 in Denver, Col Min.MO Burial: Unknown .......... +Lionel Rupert Powers ...... 4 Robert W. Oakes b: Abt. 1918 ...... 4 Donald H. Oakes b: March 20, 1920 d: April 09, 1990 in Colorado. ... 3 Warda Belle Bilderbeck b: September 05, 1895 d: September 15, 1940 in Denver, Col ... 3 Maureen Agusta Bilderbeck b: December 06, 1897 in Randolph Co. MO. d: February 04, 1970 ... 3 Verginia Ellen Bilderbeck b: July 09, 1900 in MO. d: January 19, 1996 in Bonair, Huston, GA ....... +Leroy Cecil Noblett b: April 06, 1905 d: April 02, 1994 in Colorado Sptings CO, El Paso Burial: Plesant Hill Cemetery Lime Springs, Iowa Howard CO 2 Elizabeth Bilderbeck b: Abt. December 1863 in MO. d: Aft. 1900 in MO Census .... +Hoffman ---------------------------------------------------------- * Samuel Bilderbecks father was (NJ) Hans Bilderbeck Mother unknown * Mildred Bilderbeck Carver probably died in Fulton Insane Asylum between 1886 & 1900 * Napolen Tritch was the s/o Harry Tritch & Susan South (Maryland) * Weldon Crose is the s/o Phillip Crose & Minerva Randolph * Cynthia Bagby Bilderbeck was the daughter of Ky born 1793 John Bagby & Ky born Mildred Ward. Both in Roanoke Cemetery. Some of the above I have placed in Findagrave dot com Some of the data accumulated by me came from a little help from my friends James M Bagby Independence MO **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I really liked the community spirit these last few days helping other searchers break down a brick wall.............I personally enjoyed Jim Bagby's chase. Since the boards have been particularly quiet these past months, now would be a great time to send in your "brick wall" and give all of us some information on who you're looking for with pertinent info. I think it could be great fun, enchance the boards, and liven things up a bit. Whaddya think? Wilma Patterson-Santos Surnames: ASBURY, BAILEY, CABLE, PATTERSON, SIMS, et al............. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:59 AM, <ITSJBAGBY@aol.com> wrote: > > Thanks Kathy Bowlin This corrects lots & adds more data for me > I will add what I found on Roma's Husband > Here again. the spelling changes for Stephen E Elliott to his MO Death > certificate > Stephan E Elloitt ( I believe his daughter filled out his DC) Mrs Charles > Clayton of St Louis.? > Stephan E Elliott Born MO father/mother KY in Sept 14-1866 died Sept > 10-1952 in Parkview Nursing Home in Buchanan CO MO, St Joseph. > He was the son of Joseph Elliott & M.R. Lee. He was a Retired St Joseph > School Teacher. He died from Leukemia > He like his wife Roma, are both buried in Ashland Cemetery In St JO. > I added them to findagrave dot com. > Stephan or Stephen? Ha. > James M Bagby Indep MO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------ > Found online with Ancestry.com the original image from the marriage book > from Randolph county, Missouri, for 1902, page 139. > > Mr. Stephen E. Elliott of Moberly, county of Randolph, state of Missouri, > over age 18, to Miss Roma Lee Carver, of Moberly, county of Randolph State > of Missouri, applied for license to marry on 19 Aug 1902. Marriage return > was on the 20th of August, 1902. They were married by John Regan, a > catholic priest in Moberly. > > They can be found in 1910 in St. Joseph Missouri, Ward 5, Buchanan > county, > Missouri. > ===================================================== > 1910 United States Federal Census 1910 United States Federal Census > Name: Stephen E Elliott > Age in 1910: 43 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 > Birthplace: Missouri > Relation to Head of House: Head > Father's Birth Place: Kentucky > Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky > Spouse's Name: Roma > Home in 1910: St Joseph Ward 5, Buchanan, Missouri > Marital Status: Married > Race: White > Gender: Male > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Stephen E Elliott 43 > Roma Elliott 33 > Mary E Elliott 6 > Edwin S Elliott 2 > Rebecca Elliott 3/12 > > > > > Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: St Joseph Ward 5, Buchanan, > Missouri; Roll: T624_772; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 76; Image: 162. > > Source Information: > > Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. > Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. For details on the > contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA > Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Thirteenth > Census of the United States, 1910. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and > Records Administration, 1910. T624, 1,178 rolls. > > Description: > This database is an index to the head of households enumerated in the > 1910 United States Federal Census, the Thirteenth Census of the United > States. In addition, each indexed name is linked to actual images of the > 1910 Federal Census. The information recorded in the census includes: > name, > relationship to head of family, age at last birthday, sex, color or race, > whether single, married, widowed, or divorced, birthplace, birthplace of > father and mother, and more. > > > > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. ( > http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way you cope with it is what makes the difference." Wilma/Mom/Grandma

Thanks Kathy Bowlin This corrects lots & adds more data for me I will add what I found on Roma's Husband Here again. the spelling changes for Stephen E Elliott to his MO Death certificate Stephan E Elloitt ( I believe his daughter filled out his DC) Mrs Charles Clayton of St Louis.? Stephan E Elliott Born MO father/mother KY in Sept 14-1866 died Sept 10-1952 in Parkview Nursing Home in Buchanan CO MO, St Joseph. He was the son of Joseph Elliott & M.R. Lee. He was a Retired St Joseph School Teacher. He died from Leukemia He like his wife Roma, are both buried in Ashland Cemetery In St JO. I added them to findagrave dot com. Stephan or Stephen? Ha. James M Bagby Indep MO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------ Found online with Ancestry.com the original image from the marriage book from Randolph county, Missouri, for 1902, page 139. Mr. Stephen E. Elliott of Moberly, county of Randolph, state of Missouri, over age 18, to Miss Roma Lee Carver, of Moberly, county of Randolph State of Missouri, applied for license to marry on 19 Aug 1902. Marriage return was on the 20th of August, 1902. They were married by John Regan, a catholic priest in Moberly. They can be found in 1910 in St. Joseph Missouri, Ward 5, Buchanan county, Missouri. ===================================================== 1910 United States Federal Census 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Stephen E Elliott Age in 1910: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Birthplace: Missouri Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: Kentucky Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky Spouse's Name: Roma Home in 1910: St Joseph Ward 5, Buchanan, Missouri Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Stephen E Elliott 43 Roma Elliott 33 Mary E Elliott 6 Edwin S Elliott 2 Rebecca Elliott 3/12 Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: St Joseph Ward 5, Buchanan, Missouri; Roll: T624_772; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 76; Image: 162. Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006. For details on the contents of the film numbers, visit the following NARA web page: NARA Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Thirteenth Census of the United States, 1910. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1910. T624, 1,178 rolls. Description: This database is an index to the head of households enumerated in the 1910 United States Federal Census, the Thirteenth Census of the United States. In addition, each indexed name is linked to actual images of the 1910 Federal Census. The information recorded in the census includes: name, relationship to head of family, age at last birthday, sex, color or race, whether single, married, widowed, or divorced, birthplace, birthplace of father and mother, and more. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Our list member Wilma Patterson-Santos found a Death Certificate for my Roma Lee Carver On it says Roma was the wife of Samuel W Elliott & she died in St Joseph, MO on 12-15-1927 Born on 2-1-1877 (RCMO) was the daughter of William Carver & Mildred Bilderbeck She was buried in Ashland Cemetery (Im assuming it's in St JO) Now only Mildred's death date & Cemetery is needed. Thank you Wilma for going the extrra mile. James M Bagby Indep MO ------------------------------------------------------------------ (Original quarry by JMB) > Wilma Patterson-Santos & list > I once again need to seek help from list with my research. > I need a ? Carver name, that married Mildred P. Bilderbeck in RCMO Feb > 13- > > 1876. > He is not on census with his wife > Milldred was born abt 1856 in RCMO d/o Samuel Bilderbeck & Cynthia A > Bagby > Its possible that Mildred (Bilderbeck) Carver got re married. ? > Mildred Carver is found on 1880 census in household of her Aunt, > Elizabeth > > Bagby, the wife of George Madison Quinn, it says Mildred is single. No > other > tracks found. > Mildred & ? Carver have a daughter named,, Feb 1877, Roma Carver . In > 1880 > census Roma Carver is living with Samuel Bilderbeck & Cynthia (Bagby) > Bilderbeck. > Roma is shown as a graduate of Moberly High School class of > Roma Carver is on 1900 census as a Public School Teacher in Moberly. > Still > living with other Bilderbecks > She is not found on 1910 census. So she may have married between 1900 > 1910. > In this same time period, some Bilderbecks (That are left ), moved to > Denver. > James M Bagby Indep MO **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

True, I wouldn't have bothered the list if I wasn't brick walled. I personally thank you for looking. Sherry's post abt Fulton's institution was encouraging, but nothing found on web yet. If I remember right, a reply from Fulton one time, they said I must prove I was an immediate family member, to receive data about anyone that was their And /or get a court order. I found a list of Cemeteries in Fulton. No cemetery name lists. It's possible family members claimed her remains, or she died before 1910 (Why she is not on MO DC list) Mildred daughter Roma Carver, the Moberly School teacher, may have migrated to Denver with the Bilderbecks. I found one sister of Mildred's living near Hale, MO, Carroll CO. I was just their at Hurrican Cemetery taking headstone photos . I should have looked for any Carver headstones. Colorado is like KS & NM. etc, are refusing to release Vital Statistics to researchers. I hope MO doesn't become that paranoid. JMB Indep MO ------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 7/2/2008 3:15:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gmasanny@gmail.com writes: Jim, I have literally turned Harlan's Transcription of Marriages and Deaths in Randolph Co. inside/out; checked the 1805-2002 marriages in Missouri, looked at census records and have not been able to find a darn thing on Myrtle, ? Carver, or Roma. I'm still poking around but didn't want you to think I was ignoring your request.............this is a toughie! On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:05 AM, <ITSJBAGBY@aol.com> wrote: > >From MOHOWARD CO List > --------------------- > So sad.... She would have been about 30 years old when sent to Fulton. > It's possible she died & is buried in Fulton. > I have dealt unsuccessfully with Fulton institution records in the past. > It says Mrs Carver, so this may be the name she died under. Not > divorced, > not remarried. > Now if i can find who Mr Carver is. & who his daughter 1877 Roma Lee > Carver > married & where she disappeared to. > TKS. James M Bagby Indep MO. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------- > > I thought that name sounded familiar. I found Sam and Mildred in one of > the > most recent books on newspaper abstracts that I published last fall. I > hope > this comes in handy. It comes from the Huntsville Herald and is on Pg. > #86 > of the Randolph Co, MO Newspaper Abstracts, 1879-1889. > > Wednesday, September 29, 1886 > > Pg. #3: Mrs. Mildred Carver of Moberly, having been declared of unsound > mind > under a writ of lunacy, has been taken to the asylum at Fulton. She is a > daughter of Samuel Bilderbeck, an old citizen of Randolph. > Sherry Raleigh-Adams, Gone West Publications > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > (Original quarry by JMB) > Wilma Patterson-Santos & list > I once again need to seek help from list with my research. > I need a ? Carver name, that married Mildred P. Bilderbeck in RCMO Feb > 13- > > 1876. > He is not on census with his wife > Milldred was born abt 1856 in RCMO d/o Samuel Bilderbeck & Cynthia A > Bagby > Its possible that Mildred (Bilderbeck) Carver got re married. ? > Mildred Carver is found on 1880 census in household of her Aunt, > Elizabeth > > Bagby, the wife of George Madison Quinn, it says Mildred is single. No > other > tracks found. > Mildred & ? Carver have a daughter named,, Feb 1877, Roma Carver . In > 1880 > census Roma Carver is living with Samuel Bilderbeck & Cynthia (Bagby) > Bilderbeck. > Roma is shown as a graduate of Moberly High School class of > Roma Carver is on 1900 census as a Public School Teacher in Moberly. > Still > living with other Bilderbecks > She is not found on 1910 census. So she may have married between 1900 > 1910. > In this same time period, some Bilderbecks (That are left ), moved to > Denver. > James M Bagby Indep MO **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

Jim, Did you check the first name on Roma's DC? It looks like Mildred to me rather than Myrtle. Is that a possibility? On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 3:28 PM, <ITSJBAGBY@aol.com> wrote: > Our list member Wilma Patterson-Santos found a Death Certificate for my > Roma Lee Carver > On it says Roma was the wife of Samuel W Elliott & she died in St Joseph, > MO > on 12-15-1927 > Born on 2-1-1877 (RCMO) was the daughter of William Carver & Mildred > Bilderbeck > She was buried in Ashland Cemetery (Im assuming it's in St JO) > Now only Mildred's death date & Cemetery is needed. > Thank you Wilma for going the extrra mile. > James M Bagby Indep MO > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > (Original quarry by JMB) > > Wilma Patterson-Santos & list > > I once again need to seek help from list with my research. > > I need a ? Carver name, that married Mildred P. Bilderbeck in RCMO > Feb > > 13- > > > > 1876. > > He is not on census with his wife > > Milldred was born abt 1856 in RCMO d/o Samuel Bilderbeck & Cynthia A > > Bagby > > Its possible that Mildred (Bilderbeck) Carver got re married. ? > > Mildred Carver is found on 1880 census in household of her Aunt, > > Elizabeth > > > > Bagby, the wife of George Madison Quinn, it says Mildred is > single. > No > > other > > tracks found. > > Mildred & ? Carver have a daughter named,, Feb 1877, Roma Carver . > In > > 1880 > > census Roma Carver is living with Samuel Bilderbeck & Cynthia > (Bagby) > > Bilderbeck. > > Roma is shown as a graduate of Moberly High School class of > > Roma Carver is on 1900 census as a Public School Teacher in Moberly. > > Still > > living with other Bilderbecks > > She is not found on 1910 census. So she may have married between > 1900 > > 1910. > > In this same time period, some Bilderbecks (That are left ), > moved > to > > Denver. > > James M Bagby Indep MO > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live > music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com > ?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MORANDOL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Life is not the way it's supposed to be. It's the way it is. The way you cope with it is what makes the difference." Wilma/Mom/Grandma