Hi, Ross! Thanks so much for your offer to see if you can find any leads!!! I'm really at a dead end here, and would love any suggestions. Here's what I have: My great-grandfather was Alfred Lawrence KILLMAN. He was born 1-15-1873 in Missouri - either Laclede or Pulaski county. His sister, Sarah Elizabeth KILLMAN was born 4-25-1870 in Pulaski County, MO. I have their parents as being Mary Ella BROWNFIELD b. 9-12-1838 in Pulaski County, MO. and d. 6-21-1919 in Roundup, Musselshell, MT. and James (David??) KILLMAN (I have a fair amount of info on the Brownfields, so they're not really my brickwall.) Mary Ella BROWNFIELD was married 5 times -to Francis PAGETT, HESS, James KILLMAN (my brick wall), Charles VANGORDON, and Thomas STANTON. I don't know what happened to all her husbands - if they died or were divorced. Mary Ella BROWNFIELD shows up in the Roubideaux Twp., Pulaski Co., MO 1870 census with James KILLMAN, along with Sarah Elizabeth KILLMAN (Alfred Lawrence wasn't born yet.) It shows James KILLMAN's age as being 19, which means he was born about 1851. (There apparently was quite an age difference between James and Mary Ella - a 32 year old woman with a 19 year old man - seem a little different) But in the 1880 census, Mary Ella's household doesn't reflect James, so he seems to be out of the household by that time - dead, divorced??? There's another James KILLMAN in the 1870 census: James Killman age 50 b. TN Farmer with Matilda age 45 b. TN, and Thomas 22 b. TN, Nancy A. b. TN 18, Elizabeth 16 b. TN, John 14 b. MO, Robert 12 b. MO and Missouri 9 (female) b. MO. In 1880, the census shows the other James with Matilda and John J. and Robert C. in Roubideaux Twp., Pulaski County, MO. This James could be a relation to my James, possibly even his father, but I can't connect the two. The 1870 census indicates that James Killman was born in KY. However, in the 1880 census, Sarah Elizabeth and Alfred Lawrence Killman are noted as having a father born in TN. Or was the "father" merely the most recent husband of Mary Ella Brownfield, and not James Killman? The 1920 Multnomah Co. Oregon census has Alfred Killman listing the birth place of his father as being KY. The death certificate of Alfred Lawrence Killman lists father as Dave Killman, birth place KY. My grandfather also told me that his grandfather was David KILLMAN. And I've heard that another older KILLMAN also called him David, and not James. An older relative told me that the KILLMANs were proud of the fact that they lived not too far from Abraham Lincoln's folks in KY. So that's another clue. The death certificate of Sarah Elizabeth lists father as "Mr. Kilman" birthplace unknown, maiden name of mother unknown, birthplace of mother unknown. (Close family, huh :-)) Alfred Lawrence KILLMAN married Lucinda Rose BENCH who was born 4-4-1873 in Brownfield, Laclede, MO. Sometime around 1906-1908, the story goes that Alfred KILLMAN was accused of stealing a cow, and when the law came after him, he shot the sheriff's deputy in the eye. Then he and his wife fled to Oregon. They lived the rest of their lives in Oregon, and for a short while Montana. I would love to find out the true facts of what happened in Missouri between Alfred KILLMAN and the law. Maybe a newspaper article would shed some light on Alfred's family background. Whew - well, now you might be sorry you asked :-) Anyhow, I'd love any thoughts on where I should go from here. Thanks much! Mary --- Ross Malone <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mary, > > I guess I missed your reply to Nancy. Can you > tell me any names or > dates for your KILLMAN ancestors? I'll see if I can > find any leads. > > Ross > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mary Henderson <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 10:09 AM > > Subject: Laclede Obituary Books > > > > > > > Hi, Nancy! > > > > > > If you have the time and energy, I'd love to > have you > > > look in your obituary book for the surname > KILLMAN. > > > This is my biggest dead end. > > > > > > Thanks much! > > > > > > Mary Henderson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and > enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > >