This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MILLER, LAWRENCE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/966 Message Board Post: Below is a copy of a County Court order. I couldn't make out some of the words for sure, so if part of it doesn't quite make sense, will somebody clue me in as to what they think the words in parantheses should be? (State?) adjourns term of the County Court of Pulaski County commenced and held at the Court House in the town of (Maynesville?) on Tuesday of the fifteenth day of June, AD, 1852 the following (__) was made to wit: Ordered by the Court that James M. Miller be and is hereby appointed overseer of the second district of county road leading from R. L. Ramsey's in Johnson Township to David Miller's in Miller Township (Hunters Camp) on main (Maries Cliffty) to the state road and that he be notified of his appointed. A true copy of the order of Court as appears on Record. In testimony whereof I Richard F. M. Lawrence, Clerk of the County, have hereunto set my hand and seal of said Court at office this fifteenth day of June, AD 1852. Richard F. M. Lawrence

The message which I am forwarding is a bit long, and is definitely not a good way to greet Spring! ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Debra Rookard" <d_rookard@adelphia.net> >To: <JUSTICE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 6:39 AM >Subject: [JUSTICE] WV & KY to close records > > > > First to KY: > > HB 100 Set for vote in the Senate Monday morning. > > > > The Kentucky Legislature to drastically limit access to vital records > > including BIRTHS, DEATHS, MARRIAGES, and DIVORCE. (MILITARY RECORDS also > > being limited by another Bill.) > > > > You can read the entire bill at: > > http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/record/04rs/HB100/SCS1.doc > > > > Death certificates will still be public record after 50 years but more > > recent death certificates will only be available to: > > 1. the decedent's widow or widower > > 2. child eighteen (18) years of age or older > > 3. parent > > 4. grandparent > > 5. sibling eighteen (18) years of age or older > > 6. funeral director handling the decedent's funeral arrangements > > 7. personal representative of the decedent's estate > > 8. a named beneficiary of an insurance policy of the decedent > > 9. a person with a claim against the decedent's estate > > > > THIS TUESDAY, March 23, this bill will be voted on in the full Senate. If >it > > passes, it will go to Gov. Fletcher for his signature. Call and email all > > senators and let them know that you want an NO vote on HB 100. Time is > > critical! Do it by Monday morning, at the latest. > > > > Senator contact info: > > http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/whoswho/whoswho.htm > > > > Telephone: 502-564-8100 > > FAX : 502-564-6543 > > > > Toll Free Numbers - 2004 Session (only for Kentucky) > > Bill Status Line: 1-866-301-9004 > > Legislative Message Line: 1-800-372-7181 > > > > This is the same bill that failed in committee during the last Legislative > > session. The genealogists of the state worked together to stop its >passage. > > Please pass this information along to others and get busy. DO NOT assume > > others will do it for you. > > > > ******************* > > > > Now to the BAD news in WV: > > If you live in WV, it is too late to call your elected State official. HB > > 4330 passed 13 March 2004. > > > > The Bill is on his desk for signature Monday morning. Email Governor WISE >of > > West Virginia immediately! > > Governor@WVGOV.org > > > > Please post this on every List to which you subscribe or administrate >today. > > Tell everyone you know. Send it to your entire genealogy address book. > > Should this become law, the damage to records access in West Virginia > > appears irreparable. > > > > Read it: > > >http://129.71.164.29/Bill_Text_HTML/2004_SESSIONS/RS/House/H_BILLS/hb4330%20eng.htm > > > > > > §16-5-25. Reproduction and preservation of records. > > > > To preserve vital records and other original documents, the state >registrar > > is authorized to prepare typewritten, photographic, electronic, or other > > reproductions of certificates or reports and files in the section of vital > > statistics. When verified and approved by the state registrar, the > > reproductions shall be accepted as the original records, and the documents > > from which permanent reproductions have been made may be disposed of as > > provided by legislative rule or other provisions of state law. [This means > > Wills, etc. We genealogists defeated SB 818 in VA on this very premise, >Feb > > 2003.] > > > > §16-5-26. Disclosure of information from vital records or vital reports. > > [Please keep reading. Pay special attention to Section D] > > > > (a) The department shall, by legislative rule, provide for the disclosure >of > > confidential information contained in vital records and reports for > > statistical research purposes. The rule must require the submission of > > written requests for information and the execution of research agreements > > between the researcher and the state registrar or local custodian of vital > > records and reports, which prohibit the release by the researcher of any > > information that may identify any person except as provided in the > > agreement. > > > > (b) To protect the integrity and to ensure the proper use of vital records > > or reports, and to ensure the efficient and proper operation of the vital > > statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit >inspection > > of, or to disclose, confidential information contained in vital records or > > reports, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any vital record or > > report unless authorized by this article, by legislative rule or by order >of > > a court of competent jurisdiction: Provided, That nothing in this article > > prohibits the release of information or data that would not identify any > > person named in a vital record or report. > > > > (c) Appeals from decisions of the custodians of permanent local records > > refusing to disclose confidential information, or to permit inspection of >or > > copying of confidential information under the authority of this section >and > > legislative rules shall be made to the state registrar, whose decisions > > shall be binding upon the local custodians of permanent local records. > > > > (d) When ONE HUNDRED years have elapsed after the date of birth, or FIFTY > > years have elapsed after the date of death, fetal death, marriage, or > > divorce or annulment, the records of these events in the custody of the > > state registrar and local custodians shall become available to the public > > without restriction, except for the release of social security numbers, in > > accordance with legislative rule. > > > > > > And to add further insult to injury: > > §16-5-3. Department of health and human resources to propose legislative > > rules. > > [The Dept of H&HR? Not the state archivists?] > > > > (11) Disposal of original records from which permanent reproductions have > > been made; > > [Bad idea no matter how you look at it.] > > > > (12) Disclosure of confidential information for administrative, >statistical > > or research purposes; > > [This means the government can have it, but YOU cannot.] > > > > (13) Release of records after one hundred years of birth, or fifty years >of > > death, fetal death, marriage, divorce or annulment; > > [They are SO set on this HUNDRED year thing, it is in here twice.] > > > > (14) Authorization for preparing, issuing or obtaining copies of vital > > records; > > [Again, all power is vest in the Dept of H &HR.] > > > > This is disastrous to those of us in genealogy with roots in such an > > historically important state as West Virginia. It is far past the 11th >hour. > > Only a concerted and overwhelming public outcry might dissuade Gov. Wise > > from signing this ill advised Bill into permanent law.

For those trying to access the Bureau of Land Management website or other Department of the Interior web sites and come up with " The page cannot be displayed," the reason can be found here: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/2004-03-18-firstnations-schools_x.htm Basically, a federal judge ordered the sites closed, in part, because..."of security holes that could have jeopardized hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties from Indian lands managed by the Interior Department." This may take some time.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sanders Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UNB.2ACI/4.600 Message Board Post: Were the Sanders in your family from KY? and Who were they?Thanks June

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Lori, For some reason the message I sent to your e-mail address is getting bounced back to me. Please contact me at my e-mail address marysdandy@yahoo.com and give me your home address so I can send these out to you. I think I gave you the wrong date for Oscar's birth, it should be 05-09-1904. So far I haven't found a connection to Augustus. I have been able to locate of Oscar's wife is her name was Bertha J. Watson and she was born 02-05-1913. As of the printing date of my headstone inscription book of 1995, Betha's death date wasn't on the stone. She might have remarried and is buried next to her second husband but I don't know who it might have been. Oscar's notice in the paper didn't have much information in it and I am going to check in a couple of other papers after that date and see if there is a better obit. If I do locate a different one, I will get back in touch with you. The obit for Augustus did not give a name for his wife, only his children. The obit stated his name as Augustus C. but the headstone says A. W. Schoonover. I don't know why the middle initials are different. The obit does list one of his children as A. W. and that is where the confusion might have came from. Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: DentonRldntn@aol.com Thank You, Mary! I appreciate your help and kindness! Lori

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Lori, I found time to get to the library for a few minutes today and I have the obituaries for you. I took a couple headstone pictures as well on my way home, but I don't think they are going to turn out. The stone was small and ruff and the lettering didn't show up very good. If you don't mind, I think I will send the obits out to you now, so they don't get lost. When I get the film developed, I will have to see if anything even shows up worth sending. In any event, I will get back with you on the pictures in a couple of weeks and if something turns out, I will just e-mail it to you. But for now, I will need your address to mail out the obits. Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UNB.2ACI/4.595.2 Message Board Post: My grand-mother was Shirley Lee Gray, her death certificate lists Shelby Gray as her father and Lorean Gray as her mother. Lorean Gray (my great-grandmother) also had the maiden name of Gray, her father was Henry Gray and her mother was Dora Wilkinson. I am having a hard time sorting this out - can you help me?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/864.2.2.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi so nice to hear from you my michael borders had a son named john W borders born about 1879 but thats about all i know of him the name john was passed down to my grandpa john Ellis borders born 1914 but he didnt ever drive a train that we know of

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/864.2.2.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am a distant relative of Nathaniel and John Borders. The John Borders I knew was the engineer on the Frisco Railroad. He drove what we called the local train. The local would go from town to town picking up the empty boxcars. When the train would stop near our house we would talk or wave to John Borders.To say Nathaniel Borders was a colorful character is probably an understatement of the facts. My Dad , who seemed to know Nathaniel quite well, said that he lost his arm fishing. He held a shot of dynamite a little longer then the alloted time of the fuse.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/864.2.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: That is not quite possible because that would make him older than George Washington Borders.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fitzgeralds Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/639.1 Message Board Post: Hi there, Do you have a church book are anything on the families? I was wondering because the two Fitzgerald brothers Edward and Andrew J. Fitzgerald are related to my Fitzgeralds. I would like to see what information I can get on them because nobody else in the family has anything on them and their children and so on. So if there in anybody here that can help me out please email me. Thank you, Maureen

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No, there aren't any Jinkens or Jinken listed in the obituary book. Pulaski Co. is about south central of the state. Interstate I-44 cuts through the county and I-44 runs through both Joplin and St. Louis. I will look for Oscar's obit when I get Augustus's obit.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schoonover, Jinkens, Wilson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I think Oscar Schoonover is related. I remember hearing of one in that area but just what the connection is I am not sure. I would like the obit on him if you can find it. Do you know if there are any "Jinkens or Jinken" in your book for that area? I am looking for a John J., Samantha J. and any of their kids. They may not be there. She was a Wilson. Another question, where in Missouri is Pulaski Co? North or South, East or West? I don't have an atlas right now. Thanks! Lori in MN.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for your understanding and patience. I will be glad to get both. One other question. Over at the Dixon Cemetery, there is a Oscar C. Schoonover buried there. Is he also a relation of yours? The headstone reads 9 May 1904 - 23 Dec 1968. Also on the same stone is his wife Bertha J. 2 Feb 1913 but doesn't have a death date on it. Let me know if he is your relation or not. Dixon is to far away for me to get a headstone picture, but I could possibly get an obituary on him. Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schoonover Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I wasn't sure of the spelling, I was only going by word of mouth in the family. An obit would be great too if there is one! >From someone who is just coming out of a family medical emergency, I say, take your time and do what you have to do and be where you need to be first, this is extra! Thanks again! Lori

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I don't know if there are any of the books left or not. You would have to check with the Pulaski County Museum and Historical Society at PO Box 144, Waynesville, MO 65583. I am not for sure on the price, but I am thinking about $25. I will be glad to look up any person that you think might be buried in Pulaski Co. as I have a book here at my house. I will get the headstone picture as soon as I can. We have had a medical crisis in the family and I am needed at two places at the same time. I also have several pictures left on this roll of film to take, but I will get it for you. Also I wanted to mention the the Cemetery name is Idumea not Iduema. I don't know if if was a typing error or you weren't sure on the spelling. AND, do you have his obituary already? If not, there is one available for him and I can also get that for you, but there again, it may take me a week or so to work a library trip into my schedule. If you aren't in a big hurry, I will be glad to get ! it also. Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/864.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: hi thanks for the reply I appricate your help Iam just lost when it comes to my borders family I am almost positive that we are in connection but I just cant prove it my family says that they were told that wash borders is the famther to my michael borders but I havent been able to prove it I was told that my ggranpa and family are also in the 1930 wayne county logan township census is it possible to have you email it to me if you happen to find it id like to look at the neighboring people thanks Ill keep looking and hope for a break through

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/UNB.2ACI/864.2.2.2.1 Message Board Post: hi thanks for the reply sorry it took so long to get back to you. I have had the most difficult time trying to tie my borders family in with any other borders family I have often wondered about the william M Borders you have spoken of but from what i can gather my michael borders was born abt 1822 but iv heard from family that have stated that his father was called wash borders wich goes along with your family what a confusing position im in

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Schoonover Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/UNB.2ACI/965.1.1 Message Board Post: Mary, THANK YOU!! Yes that is the same one. For some reason that is my uncle's initials instead of grandpa's but the dates are correct and the place is correct. I appreciate this so much! Is this Inscription book for sale? Lori