Seeking help with the subject individuals who were married 15 December, 1845 in the Chapel of St George, at Tredegar, Parish of Bedwelty, Monmouthshire. Both were born in Carmarthenshire, William in Llanoeryas (?), Ann in Llandrris (?) Residence at the time of marriage; Ren y Dal (?) and/or Pen y Cal (?). Both of Full Age. Fathers; William Morgan and William Llewellyn. If any record of the Banns is available from this Church, would welcome any information that may provide. In 1851 census they were in Wales; Piece 2448, Folio 693, Page 16 In 1861 census they were in Wales; Piece 4005, Folio 20, Page 2 In 1871 census they were in Wales; Piece 5325, Folio 5, Page 4. Can someone find them for me in 1841? David Zimmerman USA

The 1851 image suggests that William was born in Llandingat ( the parish that includes Llandovery) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llandingad/index.html around 1820 and Ann born what appears to be something like Llangerris or Llangarris or Llanyerris In 1861 William is mysteriously older, born about 1813 in 'Tingcat', Carmarthenshire - again likely to be Llandingat but Ann is from 'Llanyrwse' which might perhaps be Llan-y-Crwys and born about 1821 http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llan-y-Crwys/index.html In 1871 William now 56 (about 1815) was again from Llandingad and Ann 51 (1820) born Llangwrist which again might perhaps be Llanycrwys (Llancrwys) The place they both lived in 1845 marriage register was Penycae. There is a modern Heol Pen-y-cae in Beaufort, above Ebbw Vale, but this may not be near the same place. Pen y cae is simply 'top of the field' so is quite a common location name in Wales. Neither signed their name, so may not have been able to read or write, and this may have contributed to attempts by successive census enumerators to render places of birth phonetically. There was a William Morgan baptised in Llandingad (Llandingat) 22 December 1816 son of Samuel and Sarah Morgan of Llandovery. Samuel was a labourer. There was an Anne Llewellyn baptised 11 October 1818 in Llanarthne, daughter of John Llewellyn, Carpenter, of Brynspyddit, and an Anne Llewelyn baptised 10th March 1816 daughter of David and Anne Llewelyn, Farmer, of what appears to be Peodefach. Neither seems to fit. In 1845 William was a Shearer, presumably in an iron works. The early children seem to have been born in Nantyglo In 1851 he was a Shearer In 1861 a Shearer at Iron Works, with two sons who were puddlers There was a William Morgan age '25' with wife Anne '25' and son David 2, none born in county, at Nantyglo Iron Works in 1841 census - he was a puddler. There were a married miner and an unmarried collier, neither born in Monmouthshire, in Tredegar age 25 in the same census. William Morgan is a fairly common name at the time, but there was one aged 25, born in County, an agricultural labourer in the hamlet of Trecastle, Llandilofawr parish, Carmarthenshire in 1841. May I assume that you are fairly sure that you have the right marriage? They were shown as bachelor and spinster there. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Zimmerman" <zimmerman409@charter.net> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:22 PM Subject: [MON] Ann LLewellyn and William Morgan of Ebbw Vale. > Seeking help with the subject individuals who were married 15 December, > 1845 in the Chapel of St George, at Tredegar, Parish of Bedwelty, > Monmouthshire. > Both were born in Carmarthenshire, William in Llanoeryas (?), Ann in > Llandrris (?) > Residence at the time of marriage; Ren y Dal (?) and/or Pen y Cal (?). > Both of Full Age. Fathers; William Morgan and William Llewellyn. > If any record of the Banns is available from this Church, would welcome > any information that may provide. > > In 1851 census they were in Wales; Piece 2448, Folio 693, Page 16 > In 1861 census they were in Wales; Piece 4005, Folio 20, Page 2 > In 1871 census they were in Wales; Piece 5325, Folio 5, Page 4. > Can someone find them for me in 1841? > > David Zimmerman > USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message