Thanks Ann - I did think it would be pretty remote idea. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [MON] land records > Dear Lyn > > Initially it would probably have been kept by the parties concerned - and > by > now could be almost anywhere. It may have passed to a new owner, or been > lost or destroyed. Not very much is currently available and it is quite > amazing what turns up where. I research at St George's archives in > Windsor > and they house some records for very small manors in Cornwall, Wales and > in > fact probably for properties in more than half the English counties. The > most helpful thing to pursue is past owners. There is no requirement for > these records to be kept anywhere in particular as they are considered to > be > personal property nowadays, and would be passed to Record Offices and such > only if the owner thought to do it. > > Sorry - not helpful - but finding records from such a date would be > remarkably good fortune. > > best wishes Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn > Sent: 10 January 2007 11:39 > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MON] land records > > > Thanks Anne. Was the paperwork recorded in a central place like a Titles > Office? > > regards > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:32 PM > Subject: Re: [MON] land records > > >> Dear Lyn >> >> A moiety is a half-share of physical land - and yes there would have been >> paperwork for a legal transfer. >> >> In haste - best wishes - Anne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >> Sent: 07 January 2007 06:36 >> To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com; monfh@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [MON] land records >> >> >> I wondering if anyone can tell me if it is possible and, if so, how to >> trace >> land records from 17th and early 18th century. Edward WILLIAMS vicar of >> Chepstow who died in 1692 had the following estate - >> >> Moiety of the Tythe of Hardwick and Chepstow . >> Freehold Estates in Houses Garden Orchards and Lands situate and being >> in >> the Parishes of Chepstow and Lanvaches in the said County of Monmouth. >> Estate in Cardiganshire. >> >> What exactly does Moiety of the Tythe mean? I take it to mean an income >> not >> actually physical land? >> >> Was there any form of transfer of Title/Deed to land when it was sold >> that >> early? >> >> regards >> >> Lyn Nunn >> Brisbane >> Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ann, What about Land Tax records? I got Mark Herber's Ancestral Trails, published in association with the Society of Genealogists, (ISBN 0-7509-3510-3) for Christmas. It's a superb reference book for all things genealogical in the UK. He says (p. 534): "It [Land tax] was levied from 1693 until 1963 although the most extensive surviving records are from 1780 to 1832. Catholics were charged double tax from 1692 until 1831. Collection (and therefore documentation) was organised by county, hundred and then parish. Land Tax records consist primarily of assessments and returns. they list the landowners (proprietors) and from 1772 the occupiers of a property. However, a proprietor might not be a freeholder, but a copyholder or a long leaseholder(chapter 27). An occupier might be a tenant or a sub-tenant. ..... Before 1780 the survival of documents varies substantially from place to place, and often only limited records have survived. From 1780 to 1832 ( a little before 1780 in some counties), duplicates of the land tax assessments for counties were lodged with the Clerk of the Peace. because the payment of land tax evidenced a qualification to vote for parliamentary elections, and the Clerk was responsible for producing lists of voters. The Clerk's records usually survive in Quarter Sessions' records at CROs. Assessments for boroughs were rarely deposited because borough franchises were different and payment of land tax was usually irrelevant to men's entitlement to vote there." Are there any such records at the Gwent Record Office? I had been hoping to use the land tax records to try to find some of my family. Peter Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [MON] land records > Thanks Ann - I did think it would be pretty remote idea. > > Lyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [MON] land records > > >> Dear Lyn >> >> Initially it would probably have been kept by the parties concerned - and >> by >> now could be almost anywhere. It may have passed to a new owner, or been >> lost or destroyed. Not very much is currently available and it is quite >> amazing what turns up where. I research at St George's archives in >> Windsor >> and they house some records for very small manors in Cornwall, Wales and >> in >> fact probably for properties in more than half the English counties. The >> most helpful thing to pursue is past owners. There is no requirement for >> these records to be kept anywhere in particular as they are considered to >> be >> personal property nowadays, and would be passed to Record Offices and >> such >> only if the owner thought to do it. >> >> Sorry - not helpful - but finding records from such a date would be >> remarkably good fortune. >> >> best wishes Anne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >> Sent: 10 January 2007 11:39 >> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >> >> >> Thanks Anne. Was the paperwork recorded in a central place like a Titles >> Office? >> >> regards >> >> Lyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> >> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >> >> >>> Dear Lyn >>> >>> A moiety is a half-share of physical land - and yes there would have >>> been >>> paperwork for a legal transfer. >>> >>> In haste - best wishes - Anne >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >>> Sent: 07 January 2007 06:36 >>> To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com; monfh@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [MON] land records >>> >>> >>> I wondering if anyone can tell me if it is possible and, if so, how to >>> trace >>> land records from 17th and early 18th century. Edward WILLIAMS vicar of >>> Chepstow who died in 1692 had the following estate - >>> >>> Moiety of the Tythe of Hardwick and Chepstow . >>> Freehold Estates in Houses Garden Orchards and Lands situate and being >>> in >>> the Parishes of Chepstow and Lanvaches in the said County of Monmouth. >>> Estate in Cardiganshire. >>> >>> What exactly does Moiety of the Tythe mean? I take it to mean an income >>> not >>> actually physical land? >>> >>> Was there any form of transfer of Title/Deed to land when it was sold >>> that >>> early? >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Lyn Nunn >>> Brisbane >>> Australia >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

thanks Peter - I will see what I can find when I am in Wales in April and post to the list if I find anything and where. regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Williams" <peter.williams@bcs.org> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [MON] land records > Dear Ann, > > What about Land Tax records? I got Mark Herber's Ancestral Trails, > published in association with the Society of Genealogists, (ISBN > 0-7509-3510-3) for Christmas. It's a superb reference book for all things > genealogical in the UK. He says (p. 534): > > "It [Land tax] was levied from 1693 until 1963 although the most extensive > surviving records are from 1780 to 1832. Catholics were charged double > tax > from 1692 until 1831. Collection (and therefore documentation) was > organised by county, hundred and then parish. > > Land Tax records consist primarily of assessments and returns. they list > the landowners (proprietors) and from 1772 the occupiers of a property. > However, a proprietor might not be a freeholder, but a copyholder or a > long > leaseholder(chapter 27). An occupier might be a tenant or a sub-tenant. > ..... > Before 1780 the survival of documents varies substantially from place to > place, and often only limited records have survived. From 1780 to 1832 > ( a > little before 1780 in some counties), duplicates of the land tax > assessments > for counties were lodged with the Clerk of the Peace. because the payment > of land tax evidenced a qualification to vote for parliamentary > elections, > and the Clerk was responsible for producing lists of voters. The Clerk's > records usually survive in Quarter Sessions' records at CROs. Assessments > for boroughs were rarely deposited because borough franchises were > different > and payment of land tax was usually irrelevant to men's entitlement to > vote > there." > > Are there any such records at the Gwent Record Office? I had been hoping > to > use the land tax records to try to find some of my family. > > Peter Williams > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [MON] land records > > >> Thanks Ann - I did think it would be pretty remote idea. >> >> Lyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> >> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >> >> >>> Dear Lyn >>> >>> Initially it would probably have been kept by the parties concerned - >>> and >>> by >>> now could be almost anywhere. It may have passed to a new owner, or >>> been >>> lost or destroyed. Not very much is currently available and it is quite >>> amazing what turns up where. I research at St George's archives in >>> Windsor >>> and they house some records for very small manors in Cornwall, Wales and >>> in >>> fact probably for properties in more than half the English counties. >>> The >>> most helpful thing to pursue is past owners. There is no requirement >>> for >>> these records to be kept anywhere in particular as they are considered >>> to >>> be >>> personal property nowadays, and would be passed to Record Offices and >>> such >>> only if the owner thought to do it. >>> >>> Sorry - not helpful - but finding records from such a date would be >>> remarkably good fortune. >>> >>> best wishes Anne >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >>> Sent: 10 January 2007 11:39 >>> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >>> >>> >>> Thanks Anne. Was the paperwork recorded in a central place like a Titles >>> Office? >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> >>> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >>> >>> >>>> Dear Lyn >>>> >>>> A moiety is a half-share of physical land - and yes there would have >>>> been >>>> paperwork for a legal transfer. >>>> >>>> In haste - best wishes - Anne >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >>>> Sent: 07 January 2007 06:36 >>>> To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com; monfh@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: [MON] land records >>>> >>>> >>>> I wondering if anyone can tell me if it is possible and, if so, how to >>>> trace >>>> land records from 17th and early 18th century. Edward WILLIAMS vicar of >>>> Chepstow who died in 1692 had the following estate - >>>> >>>> Moiety of the Tythe of Hardwick and Chepstow . >>>> Freehold Estates in Houses Garden Orchards and Lands situate and being >>>> in >>>> the Parishes of Chepstow and Lanvaches in the said County of Monmouth. >>>> Estate in Cardiganshire. >>>> >>>> What exactly does Moiety of the Tythe mean? I take it to mean an income >>>> not >>>> actually physical land? >>>> >>>> Was there any form of transfer of Title/Deed to land when it was sold >>>> that >>>> early? >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Lyn Nunn >>>> Brisbane >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message