Not sure if this is strictly on topic, but it does seem relevant. I am aware that, over the centuries, Monmouthshire has been in both England and Wales (but not at the same time!). I have searched the internet, without success, to get some ideas as to the dates the national boundary changed, to see whether particular ancestors of mine were English or Welsh. Does anyone have the definitive information on this, or can point me in the right direction? Thanks, Graham Phillips (born in Yorkshire, so definitely English!)
Hi Graham, Monmouthshire was never in England. I believe the confusion came about from the family search.org site that still has Mon. in England. Best regards,Kevin. Co Cork Ireland http://www.geocities.com/mckennakevin/index.html?1171910163734 www.kevccfc.tribalpages.com This has to be copied and pasted into your address bar... when you are there use password seaborne (for my tree) >From: "Graham" <graham.phillips1@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: Graham <gm.p@bigfoot.com>, monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [MON] Monmouthshire - England or Wales? >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:09:13 +0100 > >Not sure if this is strictly on topic, but it does seem relevant. > >I am aware that, over the centuries, Monmouthshire has been in both England >and Wales (but not at the same time!). > > I have searched the internet, without success, to get some ideas as to >the >dates the national boundary changed, to see whether particular ancestors of >mine were English or Welsh. > >Does anyone have the definitive information on this, or can point me in the >right direction? > >Thanks, >Graham Phillips >(born in Yorkshire, so definitely English!) > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Message offline contacts without any fire risk! http://www.communicationevolved.com/en-ie/
There are loads and loads of messages about this subject in the list archives http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/MONMOUTHSHIRE.html Scroll down and click on either search the Monmouthshire archives or Browse and take a look back over several interesting exchanges. Ann Macey List Admin who knows she was born in Wales but also knows where her ancestors were born... Hmmm
Graham, Anyone born in the old county of Monmouthshire is welsh by birth. The confusion only comes about as a result of Monmouthshire being included in the Oxford circuit for legal administration purposes. Geographically Monmouthshire has never been anywhere except in Wales. Glyn Davies Born and bred in Monmouthshire and Welsh through and through. -----Original Message----- From: graham.phillips1@ntlworld.com To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 9.09PM Subject: [MON] Monmouthshire - England or Wales? Not sure if this is strictly on topic, but it does seem relevant. I am aware that, over the centuries, Monmouthshire has been in both England and Wales (but not at the same time!). I have searched the internet, without success, to get some ideas as to the dates the national boundary changed, to see whether particular ancestors of mine were English or Welsh. Does anyone have the definitive information on this, or can point me in the right direction? Thanks, Graham Phillips (born in Yorkshire, so definitely English!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
OK I am going to come a bit heavy handed now and end this thread because we are just repeating what is already in the archives. I recommend everyone to go to the archives http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/MONMOUTHSHIRE.html and take a look at the messages that are there. They go back as far as 1999 even though the list was started before that but some archives do not seem to have survived the change to new software. Anyway, take a look and see just how many subjects have been discussed. You never know you might find someone who has information on your ancestors. Ann Macey Without hot water in Newport Gwent ----- Original Message ----- From: <glyndavies47@aol.com> To: <gm.p@bigfoot.com>; <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Monmouthshire - England or Wales? > Graham, > > Anyone born in the old county of Monmouthshire is welsh by birth. The > confusion only comes about as a result of Monmouthshire being included in > the Oxford circuit for legal administration purposes. Geographically > Monmouthshire has never been anywhere except in Wales. > > Glyn Davies > > Born and bred in Monmouthshire and Welsh through and through. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: graham.phillips1@ntlworld.com > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 9.09PM > Subject: [MON] Monmouthshire - England or Wales? > > > Not sure if this is strictly on topic, but it does seem relevant. > > I am aware that, over the centuries, Monmouthshire has been in both > England > and Wales (but not at the same time!). > > I have searched the internet, without success, to get some ideas as to the > dates the national boundary changed, to see whether particular ancestors > of > mine were English or Welsh. > > Does anyone have the definitive information on this, or can point me in > the > right direction? > > Thanks, > Graham Phillips > (born in Yorkshire, so definitely English!) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 4/24/07 1:28 AM, "glyndavies47@aol.com" <glyndavies47@aol.com> wrote: > Geographically Monmouthshire has never been anywhere except in Wales. There are those who disagree, but as Ann says, that is a question already dealt with in spades in the archives. However, it should also be pointed out that even for those of us who have never considered Monmouthshire to be part of England, there are plenty of official records which refer to it as such. In some cases that's because the record-keeper considered it to be part of England, as Thomas mentions, but in many cases, it's just ignorance. This is common here in the U.S., where many census documents show my Monmouthshire ancestors to have come from "England" and it also happens in U.K. records from time to time. Speaking of which, On 4/23/07 10:13 PM, "MJen512444@aol.com" <MJen512444@aol.com> wrote: > I suppose that Henry Tudor becoming King of the British Isles might answer > the last question. I explain it to Americans, but also have to remind my British friends, that not everything British is English. Great Britain includes England, Wales, Scotland, and the Isle of Man, as I recall, and when one adds Northern Ireland, it becomes the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." The Act of Union of 1806 created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and it was changed to "Northern Ireland" after 1922, when 26 of Ireland's 32 Counties gained their independence. So don't worry, Monmouthshire isn't the only place where confusion arises regarding national boundaries. For Kevin: the reason we usually refer people to the archives on this subject is not born of laziness or a desire to avoid the question. It's because when it comes up, everyone feels compelled to pass along every conflicting and contradictory piece of information they've picked up, until the list members get weary of the deluge. And one of the strengths of a list like this comes to light when those who really want to read all those details and haven't seen them a dozen times over, can read the archives to their heart's content. It's just better all around. And please forsake challenging our beloved and beleaguered List Admin, lest thou find thyself set upon by her faithful supporters. :-) -- We will not forget! www.remember-9-11.com www.ciarancummings.com