Can anyone help me with the following family please as I have hit a brick wall - so what's new everyone asks!!! >From information on the 1901 census I have James Willliams (46) living at 21 Riverside, Maindee Newport along with wife Amelia (33) and children Nellie 6, Amelia 4 and Thomas 1 + Nellie F Richardson, niece aged 11 and I know this to be the correct family as Nellie was sent to live with her mother's family after her death However I found a marriage certificate for James Williams and Amelia George in 1894 which ties up with the ages of the children but on the certificate it gives James as being 31 (ie b1863) and Amelia 25 (ie b1869). Amelia's I can understand as that is about 2 years different from what I had worked out but James' age should have been 39/40! James's father is down as being Thomas Williams, farmer deceased. I am looking for James and Harriet in the 1871 census to see if there is another child Elizabeth on this census as she is the mother of Nellie Florence, niece aged 11. I think she would have been older than James. There is a more obvious connection to this family in that Nellie Florence also had the christian name of Church - ie Nellie Florence Church Richardson and the first child of James and Amelia is Nellie Church Williams. If anyone can help with this census I would be most grateful. Many thanks, Diane 1881 Census Dwelling: Cottage Census Place: Trellech Grange, Monmouth, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342258 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5220 Folio 40 Page 5 Thomas WILLIAMS M 53 M Trellech, Monmouth, England Rel: Head Occ: Laborer (Gen) Harriet WILLIAMS M 55 F Trellech, Monmouth, England Rel: Wife James WILLIAMS U 26 M Trellech, Monmouth, England Rel: Son Occ: Laborer (Gen) John WILLIAMS U 21 M Trellech, Monmouth, England Rel: Son Occ: Laborer (Gen) Thomas WILLIAMS U 17 M Trellech, Monmouth, England Rel: Son Occ: Laborer Gen Lucy WILLIAMS U 11 F Trellech Grange, Monmouth, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar

So he lied about his age when he got married, perhaps he didn't want anyone thinking that he was "cradle-snatching if he was really ten years older than his bride. I would obtain his birth certificate before making any definite decisions about his age. Ann Macey List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Hale" <diresearch@talktalk.net> > > However I found a marriage certificate for James Williams and Amelia > George in 1894 which ties up with the ages of the children but on the > certificate it gives James as being 31 (ie b1863) and Amelia 25 (ie > b1869).

Hi Diane, I took a little look at a couple of sources for you 1871 census RG10/ 5295 Folio 70 page 2 Enumeration District 8 Mill House, trellech grange. Thomas Williams Head Married age 38 Labourer born Mon Trellech Harriet Williams Wife Married age 46 Labourer's Wife born Mon Trellech James Williams Son age 15 born Mon Trellech Ann Williams Dau age 12 born Mon Trellech John Williams Son age 11 born Mon Trellech Tom Williams Son age 7 born Mon Trellech on the next page RG10/ 5295 Folio 71 Page 3 Enumeration District 8 Mill HOuse Trellech Grange Mary Williams Dau age 5 born Mon Trellech Lucy Williams Dau age 1 born MOn Trellech 1861 RG9/ 3990 Folio 23 page 11 Trellech Grange Cottage Thomas Williams Head Married age 30 Ag Lab born Mon Trellech Harriet Williams Wife Married age 33 born Mon Trellech James Williams Son age 6 scholar born Mon Trellech Ann Williams Dau age 2 born Mon Trellech John Williams Son age 1 month born Mon Trellech On the 1851 Census I found a Thomas Williams as a visitor - here is the reference HO107/ 2445 Folio76 page 6 ED5a Higga Trellech William Williams Head Married age 30 Wood Cutter born Mon Trellech Elizabeth Williams Wife Married age 28 born Mon Trellech John Williams son age 2 born Mon Trellech George Williams Brother age 19 Lodger Born Mon Trellech Thomas Williams Visitor age 19 ag lab born Mon Trellech