Jeff, Yes, I have obtained birth certificates for George Edward and my Grandfather Albert Martin Evans. Had looked at Edward being married twice, or even Helena being married twice and a marriage for Edward and Ellen in Wrexham The mother's name of these birth records is Ellen Carpenter. Ellen is short for Helena. . The marriage Certificate states Edward - Batchelor and Helena Rosina - Spinster. Edward living at 46 Barlow Lane and Helena at 33 Barlow Lane. It is also interesting that prior to Edward and Helena being married, Helena's sister Esther Amelia was also married the same day same church, records 74 & 75. Both couples were witnesses for each other. In the 1901 census, Ester Amelia and Robert Almond are living as husband and wife also in The Barracks. An interesting family this one. Thanks. Barbara Have you obtained birth certificates for the children of this couple? Might Edward have had two wives, firstly Ellen born Wrexham and secondly Helen b Bristol? Does the 1907 marriage show that either was a widow/er? Jeff

It may be worth checking whether there was any change in marriage law in the period leading up to 1907. Possibly widow's pension legislation or something like that which gave an incentive for cohabiting couples to marry. Or maybe a side-effect of the religious revival a couple of years before. Another possibility for marriage of a couple after a long time together is that one or other was legally married to someone else, and in the interim that person had died or there had been a divorce. In Edwardian times 'little white lies' on marriage documents are by no means unknown - single for divorced, ages understated, father's occupation overstated, fantasy fathers created for persons born illegitimate etc. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mclachlan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:38 PM Subject: [MON] EVANS > Jeff, > Yes, I have obtained birth certificates for George Edward and my > Grandfather > Albert Martin Evans. > Had looked at Edward being married twice, or even Helena being married > twice > and a marriage for Edward and Ellen in Wrexham The mother's name of these > birth records is Ellen Carpenter. Ellen is short for Helena. > . > > The marriage Certificate states Edward - Batchelor and Helena Rosina - > Spinster. Edward living at 46 Barlow Lane and Helena at 33 Barlow Lane. > It is also interesting that prior to Edward and Helena being married, > Helena's sister Esther Amelia was also married the same day same church, > records 74 & 75. Both couples were witnesses for each other. > In the 1901 census, Ester Amelia and Robert Almond are living as husband > and > wife also in The Barracks. > > An interesting family this one. > > Thanks. > Barbara > > Have you obtained birth certificates for the children of this couple? > Might > Edward have had two wives, firstly Ellen born Wrexham and secondly Helen b > Bristol? Does the 1907 marriage show that either was a widow/er? > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >