Thank you to Thomas for the information I will certainly look into the DNA Testing. Robert I certainly didn't intend for my query to be confusing, sorry about that. It certainly is a confusing situation that I have. The Edward Evans in the 1891 census that are my GGrandparents are living at 41 Braemar Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool, along with wife Ellen and sons George E and Albert. Edward is aged 36yrs. While the 1891 census states that Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpener) was born in Wrexham, she was actually born in Bristol. It has been difficult to find a marriage for Edward and Ellen. The 1907 Marriage is the only one that I have ever found with Ellen's full name on it. This was with help from others as well. Thanks for your input, much appreciated. Barbara, New Zealand. Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:43:09 -0000 > From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MON] EVANS FAMILY > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Barbara > > You seem to paint a confusing picture - in Victorian times it would be > highly unusual for a couple to get married twenty five years after the > birth > of their first child! > > I'm sure you know about the Edward listed in 1861 and 1871 as being born > in > 1854/5 Gresford (a stone's throw from the centre of Wrexham)? In 1871 he > was > a joiner's apprentice, living with parents Thomas and Sarah, but ten years > later he was an unemployed joiner, married to Mary (from Oxfordshire) and > already they had an infant son Thomas aet 2 and a daughter Esther aet > 10/12. > In 1891 the family were living with his aunt Eliza and the couple had two > more children, George and Annie. > > I'm not suggesting this is your Edward but it's a more straightforward > story > than the one you describe! > > In 1891 the Edward you have found in Liverpool is 40 years old (so born > about 1851) and his place of birth is Llandegla, which is more than 11 > miles > from Wrexham itself. > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Mclachlan > > I am hoping someone might be able to help me find my Evans family. > I am aware that it is such a common name that it can be nigh impossible. > > The only information I have is below: > > EDWARD EVANS born approx 1855 WREXHAM, father, THOMAS - birthdate and > place > of birth unknown > > Edward married HELENA ROSINA CARPENTER from Bristol in 1907. Only > marriage > that could be found for this couple. Not sure if they had married before > this or not, have never found one. Have the record of their marriage from > Liverpool Records Office. > Their first child though is George Edward Evans born Toxteth Park 1882. A > mystery as well. > My Grandfather Albert Martin was the second child, also born Toxteth Park > 1889. > > According to the 1911 census Helena known as Ellen, also Ellen on my > grandfather's birth Cert. His death cert has his mother's full name > Helena > Rosina Carpenter. She had 17 children with 5 surviving. (1911 census) > I have found the family in 1891 1901 1911 in Liverpool. > > I would dearly love to find Edward's birth and any siblings he may have > had. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:44:04 -0000 > From: "John Ball" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MON] Christ College Brecon - census transcriptions on-line > To: "Midmarch List" <[email protected]>, "Monmouth List" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Listers, > > I've just uploaded onto my website complete transcriptions of the 1871, > 1881, 1891, 1901, and 1911 censuses for the historic Christ College School > in Brecon. The transcripts record details of all members of staff, > servants, > and pupils who were residing at the school on census night. > > The transcripts are linked directly from my 'Welsh Family History > Archive': > www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > They are also linked (as Note 4) from the 'Brecon - Christ College Chapel' > webpage on my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection': > www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/search-fram.htm > > In due course I shall add a selection of photographs of the interior of > Christ College Chapel to supplement the existing exterior shots. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: [email protected] > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:44:19 +0000 (GMT) > From: J GRIFFITHS <[email protected]> > Subject: [MON] News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30th 1926. Number > One-Hundred sixty. > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Western Mail Saturday May 1st 1926. > > Body on Railway. > The body of Ronald WORKMAN, son of Mr. George WORKMAN, newsagent and > tobacconist, of Fidlas-road, Llanishen, was found on the rails between the > Heath Halt and Llanishen Railway Station on Friday morning. > The discovery was made at about 5.45 in the morning, when the driver of > one of the trains coming up observed the body on the line between the > four-foot way. It was terribly mutilated. > WORKMAN was 27 years of age, and was well known in the district, having > delivered morning papers in the locality for his father for many years. > During the Great War WORKMAN served in the Welsh Guards, and was one of > the first drummer-boys enlisted. > It appears that he was arrested in the early morning on Thursday by > Police-constable WOLLING, Lisvane, and charged in the evening before an > occaisional court at Cardiff. He was remanded until next Monday, but was > released on bail, himself in ?100 and his father in a like sum. > It is understood that WORKMAN did not go home after his release on > Thursday night, and his movements were a mystery until the discovery of > the body. > > Despite the dive he made for the brake in an attempt to stop a loaded > wagon that was running under a tip at the Queen Alexandra Dock, Cardiff, > on Monday afternoon a coal-tipper failed to save a fellow-worker from > injuries that ultimately terminated fatally. > The story was told? to the Cardiff city deputy-coroner (Mr. Gerald TUDOR) > at the inquest on Edward KENYON 36, of 10, Walker-road, Splott, a > coal-tipper, who died at the Royal Infirmary on Thursday. > Benedict McCARTHY, of Pembroke-road, Cardiff, stated that the traverser > was being operated to bring out an empty wagon from the cradle of the tip, > and to run a loaded one in. After the empty wagon had been run out, KENYON > returned into his cradle to prepare for the incoming wagon. Witness was > walking out of the engine-house as the loaded wagon was taking its run > towards the cradle. He heard KENYON cry out for the wagon to be stopped, > and immediately he (witness) made a dive for the wagon brake. He held > grimly on to the brake, holding it down, but the wagon ran on up KENYON'S > leg, and only stopped when it had reached the thigh part. > The Deputy-coroner returned a verdict of "Accidental death."? > Mr. A.J. WILLIAMS represented the N.U.R., and Mr. A.R. BEATT, chief clerk > to the docks superintendent, appeared for the Great Western Railway > Company. > > It was stated at the inquest at Newport on Friday on William John CHESHAM > (50), a locomotive engineer, who was employed at the United National > Collieries, Risca, that the man suffered from epileptic fits. Apparently, > after having a bath, he had a seizure and fell onto the fire. He died in > the Royal Gwent Hospital from pneumonia and blood-poisoning following the > burns, and a verdict in accordance with this evidence was entered. > A brother stated that the unfortunate man had had a similar experience > about three years ago. He lived alone. > > Gomer JONES 17, son of Mr. David JONES, New Cottage, Cross Hands, was > killed by a fall at the New Cross Hands Colleries on Friday morning. He > had not been long at work, as he had been allowed time off because he was > one of the actors in an operetta, "The Stolen Princess," on Thursday > evening in connection with St. Anne's Church, Cross Hands, and, in fact, > had taken his part with remarkable success. > > A collision between cyclists occurred on Friday evening in Cowbridge-road, > Cardiff. Mr. James HARRY, 137, Llandaff-road, Cardiff, was knocked off his > bicycle by a motor-cyclist, and was afterwards found to be suffering from > scalp wounds and concussion. After treatment he was conveyed home in an > ambulance. > The motor-cyclist sustained slight abrasions to the hand. Mr. HARRY'S > machine was badly damaged. > > Mr. John O'SULLIVAN, of Mayfield, 54, Pentyla, Aberavon, managing director > of Messrs. John O'SULLIVAN (Ltd), shipbrokers and coal exporters, one of > the founders of the Port Talbot Chamber of Commerce, and in 1922 president > of that body, and a foundation manager of the Port Talbot and Aberavon > Catholic Schools who died on August 14, 1924, aged 76 years, left estate > of the gross value of ?6,245, of which was ?3,515 is net personalty. > Probate of the will dated June 3rd, 1922, has been granted to his widow > Mrs. Ellen Mary O'SULLIVAN, of Glenesk, Theodore-road, Port Talbot, and > Mr. William James COSGRAVE, of 22, Theodore-road, Port Talbot, > schoolmaster. Testator left his household effects and the proceeds of his > life insurance policies to his wife, 10, Plough-terrace, Station-road, > Port Talbot, to his wife for life, with remainder in trust for his son > Gerald for life, and then for his other children, the shares of his sons > to be equal, but the share of each > daughter shall be twice the share of each son; ?500 to the rector of St. > Joseph's Roman Catholic Church, Aberavon, Port Talbot, for masses for the > repose of his soul, ?250 to the rector for masses for the repose of the > soul of his son George. The residue of the property he left in trust for > his wife for life, and then upon trusts for his children. > > Mr. Lewis Hopkin MORGAN, ofd 2, Lower Wern-road, Ystalyfera, Llanguike, > who died on February 4th, left estate of the gross value of ?569, with net > personalty ?541. Probate of the will has been granted to Mr. William > MORGAN, of the Red Cow Hotel,Ystalyfera, tinworker, and Mr. George PITT, > of 49, Glanyrafon, Godrergraig, guard. > > John Patrick > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MONMOUTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MONMOUTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MONMOUTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 357 > *********************************************

Have you obtained birth certificates for the children of this couple? Might Edward have had two wives, firstly Ellen born Wrexham and secondly Helen b Bristol? Does the 1907 marriage show that either was a widow/er? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Mclachlan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MON] MONMOUTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 357 > Thank you to Thomas for the information I will certainly look into the DNA > Testing. > > Robert I certainly didn't intend for my query to be confusing, sorry about > that. > It certainly is a confusing situation that I have. > The Edward Evans in the 1891 census that are my GGrandparents are living > at > 41 Braemar Street, Kirkdale, Liverpool, along with wife Ellen and sons > George E and Albert. Edward is aged 36yrs. > While the 1891 census states that Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpener) was born > in > Wrexham, she was actually born in Bristol. > It has been difficult to find a marriage for Edward and Ellen. The 1907 > Marriage is the only one that I have ever found with Ellen's full name on > it. This was with help from others as well. > > Thanks for your input, much appreciated. > > Barbara, New Zealand. >