I suggest you have a look at http://www.bbc.co.uk/familyhistory/ and the advice given in 'the basics' and then from there the piece 'To Pay or Not To Pay? A guide to choosing genealogy sites on the internet -' at http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/familyhistory/get_started/paying_for_research_01.shtml The advice there about getting a free trial if you can before committing yourself may well be sensible. If you do so, make sure that you know how to cancel it if need be, and choose your free trial at a time when you have free time available to make the most of it, and all your outstanding queries lined up so that you can get as much done as possible in the time. If you are in UK you may well find that local libraries or archives will allow you to use one or both of the major commercial providers, as they may well have institutional subscriptions. Some people prefer different sorts of search engine. Familysearch now has quite a good name index to 1841 to 1911 censuses but then you have to link to Findmypast to access the images. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <azusuk1@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 1:47 PM Subject: [MON] census data - source? > > I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would > appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by > most listers. > Regards > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As each transcription is different it is not easy to compare. I would say that trying both would be useful to see which search method you prefer - you don't need a subscription to search, just to see the transcripts and original pages. Don't forget thegenealogist as well. They also have the census online. I tend to use Ancestry for census, FMP for other stuff and thegenealogist not at all because I don't get on with their search engine. Ann Macey In Dry and bunting-clad Newport Gwent -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of azusuk1@aol.com I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by most listers.

for 1841 to 1901 I prefer Ancestry because you can use more convoluted search methods. I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by most listers. Regards David -- Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com

I have been able to get probate records up to 1960, I am on Ancestry. Can look up if you give me the details. Marjorie On 03/06/2012, at 8:20 PM, Mary wrote: > Dear Listers, > Recently I read that probate records up to the 1960s were now available on the National Archives site.Search as I might I just don't seem to be finding a way into the specific info I want. Can anyone a bit less stupid than I am give me a clue or a link to get me started! > Thanks, > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by most listers. Regards David

Thanks Steve. Best regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Veysey" <steven.veysey@btinternet.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rev Thomas Morris Hi Ron Sowing Beside All Waters The Baptist Heritage Of Gwent Author: Brynmor Pierce Jones Paperback | Publisher: Gwent Baptist Association | Pub. Date:1985 ISBN: B003UJQV6U There is one on Amazon http://tinyurl.com/7gfp5aw for £38 Steve Subject: Re: [MON] Rev Thomas Morris That's most helpful, Nicola - many thanks. I have just tried to find a copy available for sale via the Internet, but so far no success. If any Lister could help me obtain a copy, or, failing that, perhaps let me have details of the references to Rev. Thomas MORRIS in the book, I'd be most grateful. Best regards Ron Subject: [MON] Rev Thomas Morris > > There are a number of refs to a Rev Thomas Morris of Newport in Sowing > Beside all Waters The Baptist Heritage of Gwent by Brynmor Pierce Jones. > > Nicola > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5041 - Release Date: 06/02/12

Dear Shirley, Maybe I'll have to join them for a while, Thanks, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [MON] archives I am not sure about National Archives site but I think Ancestry now has these indexes up to 1966. Shirley follow me at twitter http://twitter.com/shirlpj ________________________________ From: Mary <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 11:50 Subject: [MON] archives Dear Listers, Recently I read that probate records up to the 1960s were now available on the National Archives site.Search as I might I just don't seem to be finding a way into the specific info I want. Can anyone a bit less stupid than I am give me a clue or a link to get me started! Thanks, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron Sowing Beside All Waters The Baptist Heritage Of Gwent Author: Brynmor Pierce Jones Paperback | Publisher: Gwent Baptist Association | Pub. Date:1985 ISBN: B003UJQV6U There is one on Amazon http://tinyurl.com/7gfp5aw for £38 Steve Subject: Re: [MON] Rev Thomas Morris That's most helpful, Nicola - many thanks. I have just tried to find a copy available for sale via the Internet, but so far no success. If any Lister could help me obtain a copy, or, failing that, perhaps let me have details of the references to Rev. Thomas MORRIS in the book, I'd be most grateful. Best regards Ron Subject: [MON] Rev Thomas Morris > > There are a number of refs to a Rev Thomas Morris of Newport in Sowing > Beside all Waters The Baptist Heritage of Gwent by Brynmor Pierce Jones. > > Nicola >

That's most helpful, Nicola - many thanks. I have just tried to find a copy available for sale via the Internet, but so far no success. If any Lister could help me obtain a copy, or, failing that, perhaps let me have details of the references to Rev. Thomas MORRIS in the book, I'd be most grateful. Best regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "NICOLA THOMAS" <nic.thomasfhs@tesco.net> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: [MON] Rev Thomas Morris > > There are a number of refs to a Rev Thomas Morris of Newport in Sowing > Beside all Waters The Baptist Heritage of Gwent by Brynmor Pierce Jones. > > Nicola > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5041 - Release Date: 06/02/12 >

I am not sure about National Archives site but I think Ancestry now has these indexes up to 1966. Shirley follow me at twitter http://twitter.com/shirlpj   ________________________________ From: Mary <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2012, 11:50 Subject: [MON] archives Dear Listers, Recently I read that probate records up to the 1960s were now available on the National Archives site.Search as I might I just don't seem to be finding a way into the specific info I want. Can anyone a bit less stupid than I am give me a clue or a link to get me started! Thanks, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Recently I read that probate records up to the 1960s were now available on the National Archives site.Search as I might I just don't seem to be finding a way into the specific info I want. Can anyone a bit less stupid than I am give me a clue or a link to get me started! Thanks, Mary

There are a number of refs to a Rev Thomas Morris of Newport in Sowing Beside all Waters The Baptist Heritage of Gwent by Brynmor Pierce Jones. Nicola

Many thanks Jeff - yet another very helpful piece of input. Best regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> To: "Ron Davies" <rondavi@club-internet.fr> Cc: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > Text of Marriage announcement in the Cambrian, 13th Dec 1850, is > > On the 3th inst.,by license, at the Baptist Temple, Newport, by the Rev. > D. Edwards, Mr. Wm. Powell, Ty-draw, Glamorganshire, to Miss Morris, > daughter of the late Rev. Thos. Morris, Newport. > > It seems likely that Rev Morris was also a Baptist. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Davies" <rondavi@club-internet.fr> > To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > Cc: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > > >> Hi Jeff, >> >> I didn't know you were also active on the MON List - and as helpful here >> as in GLAM ;-) >> >> The Cambrian announcement - even if there is no more detail in the >> original notice - is helpful in telling my that the Rev. Thomas MORRIS >> had already died before 13 Dec 1850. >> The reference you found to a marriage in 1807 is also encouraging - in >> following it up in FMP I have found the marriage recorded in Carmarthen >> St.Peter; unfortunately no sign of a baptism of a child for them named >> Elizabeth ... but it remains a distinct possibility! >> >> Many thanks >> Ron >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> >> To: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com>; >> <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com>; "Ron Davies" <rondavi@club-internet.fr> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 >> >> >>> Ron >>> In the Cambrian. >>> >>> MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 13 December 1850 NEWPORT, WILLIAM POWELL, TY-DRAW, >>> GLAMORGAN, TO MISS MORRIS, DTR. OF LATE REV.THOMAS MORRIS, NEWPORT. >>> >>> from www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian >>> >>> I'll see if there is any more detail in the original notice. The date >>> is the date of the newspaper, so marriage will have been a few days >>> earlier >>> >>> There is a marriage of Thomas Morris Esq in 1807 in Carmarthen to Maria >>> Thornton in the Cambrian Index. May not be connected. >>> >>> There are various refs to another Rev. Thomas MORRIS probably >>> unconnected >>> DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 April 1854 REV.THOMAS MORRIS,AGED 74,AT >>> ST.JAMES,DOVER. BROTHER OF SIR J.MORRIS,SKETTY PARK. >>> >>> Jeff >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com> >>> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 >>> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> Can't help at the moment with Thomas Morris but there is an AberTrinant >>> Farm in Llanwrda, Carmarthenshire. >>> >>> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=abertrinant+llanwrda&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=abertrinant&hnear=0x486faa3519540df7:0xac22663efe554501,Llanwrda,+Carmarthenshire&cid=2483213475147433767 >>> >>> >>> Shirley >>> follow me at twitter >>> http://twitter.com/shirlpj >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ron Davies <rondavi@club-internet.fr> >>> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 8:10 >>> Subject: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 >>> >>> Good-morning Monmouthshire List! >>> >>> I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your >>> help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, >>> which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS >>> of Newport' . >>> >>> The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in >>> 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to >>> exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a >>> large house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved??? I >>> have found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 >>> and have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more >>> on her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name >>> Rev. Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From >>> the scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 >>> +/- 10 years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in >>> Newport for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the >>> 1851 census so I assume he had died by then. >>> >>> I would appreciate any suggestions. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Ron > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5034 - Release Date: 05/30/12 >

Text of Marriage announcement in the Cambrian, 13th Dec 1850, is On the 3th inst.,by license, at the Baptist Temple, Newport, by the Rev. D. Edwards, Mr. Wm. Powell, Ty-draw, Glamorganshire, to Miss Morris, daughter of the late Rev. Thos. Morris, Newport. It seems likely that Rev Morris was also a Baptist. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davies" <rondavi@club-internet.fr> To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> Cc: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > Hi Jeff, > > I didn't know you were also active on the MON List - and as helpful here > as in GLAM ;-) > > The Cambrian announcement - even if there is no more detail in the > original notice - is helpful in telling my that the Rev. Thomas MORRIS had > already died before 13 Dec 1850. > The reference you found to a marriage in 1807 is also encouraging - in > following it up in FMP I have found the marriage recorded in Carmarthen > St.Peter; unfortunately no sign of a baptism of a child for them named > Elizabeth ... but it remains a distinct possibility! > > Many thanks > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > To: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com>; > <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com>; "Ron Davies" <rondavi@club-internet.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > > >> Ron >> In the Cambrian. >> >> MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 13 December 1850 NEWPORT, WILLIAM POWELL, TY-DRAW, >> GLAMORGAN, TO MISS MORRIS, DTR. OF LATE REV.THOMAS MORRIS, NEWPORT. >> >> from www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian >> >> I'll see if there is any more detail in the original notice. The date is >> the date of the newspaper, so marriage will have been a few days earlier >> >> There is a marriage of Thomas Morris Esq in 1807 in Carmarthen to Maria >> Thornton in the Cambrian Index. May not be connected. >> >> There are various refs to another Rev. Thomas MORRIS probably unconnected >> DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 April 1854 REV.THOMAS MORRIS,AGED 74,AT >> ST.JAMES,DOVER. BROTHER OF SIR J.MORRIS,SKETTY PARK. >> >> Jeff >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com> >> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 >> >> >> Hi >> >> Can't help at the moment with Thomas Morris but there is an AberTrinant >> Farm in Llanwrda, Carmarthenshire. >> >> https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=abertrinant+llanwrda&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=abertrinant&hnear=0x486faa3519540df7:0xac22663efe554501,Llanwrda,+Carmarthenshire&cid=2483213475147433767 >> >> >> Shirley >> follow me at twitter >> http://twitter.com/shirlpj >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ron Davies <rondavi@club-internet.fr> >> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 8:10 >> Subject: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 >> >> Good-morning Monmouthshire List! >> >> I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your >> help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, >> which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS >> of Newport' . >> >> The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in >> 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to >> exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a >> large house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved??? I >> have found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 >> and have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more on >> her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name Rev. >> Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From the >> scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 +/- >> 10 years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in >> Newport for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the >> 1851 census so I assume he had died by then. >> >> I would appreciate any suggestions. >> >> Best regards, >> Ron

Hi Jeff, I didn't know you were also active on the MON List - and as helpful here as in GLAM ;-) The Cambrian announcement - even if there is no more detail in the original notice - is helpful in telling my that the Rev. Thomas MORRIS had already died before 13 Dec 1850. The reference you found to a marriage in 1807 is also encouraging - in following it up in FMP I have found the marriage recorded in Carmarthen St.Peter; unfortunately no sign of a baptism of a child for them named Elizabeth ... but it remains a distinct possibility! Many thanks Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> To: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com>; <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com>; "Ron Davies" <rondavi@club-internet.fr> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > Ron > In the Cambrian. > > MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 13 December 1850 NEWPORT, WILLIAM POWELL, TY-DRAW, > GLAMORGAN, TO MISS MORRIS, DTR. OF LATE REV.THOMAS MORRIS, NEWPORT. > > from www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian > > I'll see if there is any more detail in the original notice. The date is > the date of the newspaper, so marriage will have been a few days earlier > > There is a marriage of Thomas Morris Esq in 1807 in Carmarthen to Maria > Thornton in the Cambrian Index. May not be connected. > > There are various refs to another Rev. Thomas MORRIS probably unconnected > DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 April 1854 REV.THOMAS MORRIS,AGED 74,AT > ST.JAMES,DOVER. BROTHER OF SIR J.MORRIS,SKETTY PARK. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > > > Hi > > Can't help at the moment with Thomas Morris but there is an AberTrinant > Farm in Llanwrda, Carmarthenshire. > > https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=abertrinant+llanwrda&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=abertrinant&hnear=0x486faa3519540df7:0xac22663efe554501,Llanwrda,+Carmarthenshire&cid=2483213475147433767 > > > Shirley > follow me at twitter > http://twitter.com/shirlpj > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ron Davies <rondavi@club-internet.fr> > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 8:10 > Subject: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 > > Good-morning Monmouthshire List! > > I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your > help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, > which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS > of Newport' . > > The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in > 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to > exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a large > house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved??? I have > found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 and > have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more on > her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name Rev. > Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From the > scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 +/- 10 > years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in Newport > for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the 1851 > census so I assume he had died by then. > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > Best regards, > Ron > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5032 - Release Date: 05/29/12 >

That's very helpful, Shirley - much more likely than Merionethshire! Many thanks Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 Hi Can't help at the moment with Thomas Morris but there is an AberTrinant Farm in Llanwrda, Carmarthenshire. https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=abertrinant+llanwrda&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=abertrinant&hnear=0x486faa3519540df7:0xac22663efe554501,Llanwrda,+Carmarthenshire&cid=2483213475147433767 Shirley follow me at twitter http://twitter.com/shirlpj ________________________________ From: Ron Davies <rondavi@club-internet.fr> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 8:10 Subject: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 Good-morning Monmouthshire List! I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS of Newport' . The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a large house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved??? I have found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 and have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more on her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name Rev. Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From the scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 +/- 10 years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in Newport for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the 1851 census so I assume he had died by then. I would appreciate any suggestions. Best regards, Ron ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/5032 - Release Date: 05/29/12

Ron In the Cambrian. MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 13 December 1850 NEWPORT, WILLIAM POWELL, TY-DRAW, GLAMORGAN, TO MISS MORRIS, DTR. OF LATE REV.THOMAS MORRIS, NEWPORT. from www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian I'll see if there is any more detail in the original notice. The date is the date of the newspaper, so marriage will have been a few days earlier There is a marriage of Thomas Morris Esq in 1807 in Carmarthen to Maria Thornton in the Cambrian Index. May not be connected. There are various refs to another Rev. Thomas MORRIS probably unconnected DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 April 1854 REV.THOMAS MORRIS,AGED 74,AT ST.JAMES,DOVER. BROTHER OF SIR J.MORRIS,SKETTY PARK. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHIRLEY PRICE-JONES" <s.pricejones@btopenworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 Hi Can't help at the moment with Thomas Morris but there is an AberTrinant Farm in Llanwrda, Carmarthenshire. https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=abertrinant+llanwrda&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=abertrinant&hnear=0x486faa3519540df7:0xac22663efe554501,Llanwrda,+Carmarthenshire&cid=2483213475147433767 Shirley follow me at twitter http://twitter.com/shirlpj ________________________________ From: Ron Davies <rondavi@club-internet.fr> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 8:10 Subject: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 Good-morning Monmouthshire List! I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS of Newport' . The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a large house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved??? I have found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 and have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more on her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name Rev. Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From the scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 +/- 10 years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in Newport for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the 1851 census so I assume he had died by then. I would appreciate any suggestions. Best regards, Ron ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi   Can't help at the moment with Thomas Morris but there is an AberTrinant Farm in Llanwrda, Carmarthenshire.   https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=abertrinant+llanwrda&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=abertrinant&hnear=0x486faa3519540df7:0xac22663efe554501,Llanwrda,+Carmarthenshire&cid=2483213475147433767     Shirley follow me at twitter http://twitter.com/shirlpj   ________________________________ From: Ron Davies <rondavi@club-internet.fr> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012, 8:10 Subject: [MON] Rev. Thomas MORRIS, Newport ca.1850 Good-morning Monmouthshire List! I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS of Newport' . The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a large house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved???  I have found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 and have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more on her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name Rev. Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From the scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 +/- 10 years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in Newport for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the 1851 census so I assume he had died by then. I would appreciate any suggestions. Best regards, Ron ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good-morning Monmouthshire List! I'm a Glam Lister who has just popped over the border to solicit your help. I have a Glamorgan MI for an Elisabeth POWELL, who died in 1852, which tells me that she was the 'daughter of the late Rev. Thomas MORRIS of Newport' . The 1851 census tells me that Elisabeth/Elizabeth was born in 'Abertrinant, Carmarthenshire' ca. 1810. The place does not appear to exist - perhaps it should be Abertrinant, Merionethshire, or maybe a large house or farm name in Carmarthenshire - still to be resolved??? I have found what I believe to be Elizabeth's marriage in Newport in 1850 and have just ordered the certificate, which may help me a little more on her/her father's origins. Meanwhile, I am wondering whether the name Rev. Thomas MORRIIS of Newport rings any bells with Mon Listers. From the scanty evidence I am assuming that he was probably born around 1780 +/- 10 years and that he was a Vicar or minister of some denomination in Newport for several years in the 1840's, I can see no sign of him in the 1851 census so I assume he had died by then. I would appreciate any suggestions. Best regards, Ron

Look in www.freebmd.org.uk for deaths. Bedwas was in Newport Registration district. So was Mynyddislwyn. If she died in Caerphilly, that would have been in Cardiff registration district. That would give three possibles in Dec qr 1861, Sep qr 1863 and Dec qr 1864. If she went home to Gelligaer and died there, or died in Ystrad Mynach in Llanfabon parish, that was in Merthyr Tydfil registration district and there is a possible in March qr 1865. If she travelled a few miles north east to Fleur-de-lis that would have been in Bedwellty registration district. If the census enumerator in 1861 travelled around in the order he recorded the entries, they lived up the mountain overlooking the Rhymney river valley near Ystrad Mynach on the other (Glamorgan) side, or Maesycwmmer on the Monmouthshire side. Twyn-Shon-Evan, a few entries later on the census, is still shown on fairly modern maps. If her age was right in the census, none of the deaths in Glamorgan or Monmouthshire from 1866 to 1871 seem to fit. If her children were baptised in Bedwas, you could look for her burial there. However the church was right at the other end of the parish. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "irene moores" <irenemoores@btinternet.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: [GLA] Death of Maria Williams Hello Could sks please help find the death of Maria Williams. She was alive in Upper Bedwas in 1861 at Ty Top y Twyn, aged 44, with husband John and fam. In 1871 John is a widower at the Ivy Bush Inn, Mynydddy Islwyn and aged 64. Many thanks Irene -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message