Thanks Megan and Lyn for your suggestions which I hope to follow up soon. Old photos are so lovely, if only people would make a note on the back of who they are. Sometimes hit lucky though! Many thanks, Mary

Dear Listers, Can I once more ask for your advice. I number of photos have come my way which are definately or highly probably members of my husband's Newbery family. I wonder if anyone knows when certain photographers were in business as dates may narrow the field. These are Harris and Co.88, High Street, Merthyr, Newport:C , and HC Lee, Rhymney Also I think the dress syles may also give a clue. Can anyone advise anyone, or a website that might help here. Best wishes, Mary

Hi Mary! The Canadian Museum of Civilization has put online a fascinating collection of Canadian mail order catalogues. The catalogues span the years from 1880 to 1975. http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/cpm/catalog/cat0000e.shtml This website might be helpful!!! Lyn Yendall Sayward BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: Tuesday, 12 June, 2012 9:19 AM To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [MON] Identifying photos and dress Dear Listers, Can I once more ask for your advice. I number of photos have come my way which are definately or highly probably members of my husband's Newbery family. I wonder if anyone knows when certain photographers were in business as dates may narrow the field. These are Harris and Co.88, High Street, Merthyr, Newport:C , and HC Lee, Rhymney Also I think the dress syles may also give a clue. Can anyone advise anyone, or a website that might help here. Best wishes, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5064 - Release Date: 06/12/12

Hi Mary! The Canadian Museum of Civilization has put online a fascinating collection of Canadian mail order catalogues. The catalogues span the years from 1880 to 1975. http://www.civilization.ca/cmc/exhibitions/cpm/catalog/cat0000e.shtml This website might be helpful!!! Lyn Yendall Sayward BC Canada -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: Tuesday, 12 June, 2012 9:19 AM To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [MON] Identifying photos and dress Dear Listers, Can I once more ask for your advice. I number of photos have come my way which are definately or highly probably members of my husband's Newbery family. I wonder if anyone knows when certain photographers were in business as dates may narrow the field. These are Harris and Co.88, High Street, Merthyr, Newport:C , and HC Lee, Rhymney Also I think the dress syles may also give a clue. Can anyone advise anyone, or a website that might help here. Best wishes, Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5064 - Release Date: 06/12/12

I would contact the county public library and ask for a look up in the city directories (phone books or business directories) during the dates you are interested in. Also, as for photo help, I would contact Maureen Taylor, the Photo Detective... http://www.maureentaylor.com/ She is the "go to girl" for these issues - She does answer questions for people Best of luck! Meg in MIch On Jun 12, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Mary wrote: > Dear Listers, > Can I once more ask for your advice. > I number of photos have come my way which are definately or highly > probably members of my husband's Newbery family. > I wonder if anyone knows when certain photographers were in business > as dates may narrow the field. These are Harris and Co.88, High > Street, Merthyr, Newport:C , and HC Lee, Rhymney > Also I think the dress syles may also give a clue. Can anyone advise > anyone, or a website that might help here. > Best wishes, > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Received this so passing it on in case it is of interest. It may be of interest to your members to know that as part of the St Mary's Church Usk Open Day activities that the Church Registers are being made available for viewing in the Church on Saturday 30th June between 10.00am and 5.00pm.There is no charge, but a donations box will be available should anyone wish to make a contribution.Richard WelsfordChurch Warden Nicola

Don't forget the online wills at the national library of Wales. All free access. I have found a few, however they are all older ones. What I found most interesting was seeing the same names appear frequently as benefactors... See http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=487 Cheers Garth

Dear Garet, I'm assuming these will be Welsh wills only. I doubt if my husband's Welsh relatives made will although it will be interesting to check. Thank you for the suggestion, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "redgully" <mail@redgully.com.au> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [MON] probate and death information > Don't forget the online wills at the national library of Wales. All free > access. I have found a few, however they are all older ones. What I > found > most interesting was seeing the same names appear frequently as > benefactors... > > See http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=487 > > Cheers > Garth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Photos of: Siloam Baptist Chapel, Penderyn, BRE; Penmaen Chapel, Oakdale, MON Dear Listers, The most recent additions to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: Siloam Baptist Chapel, Penderyn, in the county of Breconshire. (Photography by John Ball) Penmaen (Penmain) Independent Chapel, Penmaen, Oakdale, in the county of Monmouthshire. (Photography by Steve Veysey) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/search-fram.htm and scroll down the index to the relevant Penderyn and Penmaen links. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.c.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Dear Ann, Thank you for that. It would seem then that all the births were live births followed by early deaths. So sad to think what the parents went through, especially the poor mother. Best wishes, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann" <annmacey@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [MON] probate and death information > Mary, > > One little thing to remember pre 1927 there were no stillborn deaths > recorded. If a baby was stillborn it was not given a birth certificate and > therefore no death certificate. All the parents had was their memory and > possibly the burial register - if they were allowed to bury the child in > consecrated ground. Sometimes the child would be put into a grave with > another person, not necessarily a relative. > > And we call those the good old days.. > > Ann Macey > In Sunny (at the moment) Newport, Gwent > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, One little thing to remember pre 1927 there were no stillborn deaths recorded. If a baby was stillborn it was not given a birth certificate and therefore no death certificate. All the parents had was their memory and possibly the burial register - if they were allowed to bury the child in consecrated ground. Sometimes the child would be put into a grave with another person, not necessarily a relative. And we call those the good old days.. Ann Macey In Sunny (at the moment) Newport, Gwent

Sometimes Mary, researching the history of the town will give you clues to deaths - cholera outbreak etc. See what you can find out about the history of Blaenavon on the internet or in local history books. Then widen the search to a wider area or research infant mortality at that time period and you may find it is not so unusual. Regards Lyn In Oz. > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Newbery > Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 5:57 PM > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MON] probate and death information > > Dear Listers, > I have recently received probate information on a number of > relatives courtesy of Marjorie, and I now need someone to > remind me how I obtain the relevant wills. > A second, non connected question is regarding death information. > My husband's grandparents, living in Blaenavon in the early > 20th century lost 5 of their 8 children. This seemed a very > high rate for the time and I would like to know cause of > death, but that is just a very high number of certificates to > buy. Can anyone advise me if the registry office might be > willing to disclose this information for a smaller fee. I > don't need the certificates just the information ie premature > birth, childhood disease, cot death. I know conditions in > Blaenavon may have been poor and polluted but the level of > deaths seems excessive. I know two were twins which may have > been one reason. > Best wishes, > Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message

Mary -- thanks for clarification and the mental reminder jog given by that. The details of the York postal searches office together with associated Application Form can all be found by googling Probate Registry Postal Searches York John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Newbery" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [MON] probate and death information > Dear Listers, > I have recently received probate information on a number of relatives > courtesy of Marjorie, and I now need someone to remind me how I obtain the > relevant wills.

Dear Lyn, Your suggestions make sense. If anyone knows which records may be helpful I would be glad of any further suggestions. Meanwhile I will google! Best wishes and thanks, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn" <genielynau@bigpond.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MON] probate and death information > Sometimes Mary, researching the history of the town will give you clues to > deaths - cholera outbreak etc. See what you can find out about the history > of Blaenavon on the internet or in local history books. Then widen the > search to a wider area or research infant mortality at that time period > and > you may find it is not so unusual. > > Regards > > Lyn > In Oz. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Newbery >> Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 5:57 PM >> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MON] probate and death information >> >> Dear Listers, >> I have recently received probate information on a number of >> relatives courtesy of Marjorie, and I now need someone to >> remind me how I obtain the relevant wills. >> A second, non connected question is regarding death information. >> My husband's grandparents, living in Blaenavon in the early >> 20th century lost 5 of their 8 children. This seemed a very >> high rate for the time and I would like to know cause of >> death, but that is just a very high number of certificates to >> buy. Can anyone advise me if the registry office might be >> willing to disclose this information for a smaller fee. I >> don't need the certificates just the information ie premature >> birth, childhood disease, cot death. I know conditions in >> Blaenavon may have been poor and polluted but the level of >> deaths seems excessive. I know two were twins which may have >> been one reason. >> Best wishes, >> Mary >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

see http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills I googled obtaining wills On 08/06/2012 08:56, Mary Newbery wrote: > Dear Listers, > I have recently received probate information on a number of relatives courtesy of Marjorie, and I now need someone to remind me how I obtain the relevant wills. > -- Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com

Mary -- it depends what time frame you are looking at (ie pre- or post- 1858). The National Archives website has a very informative page on this topic -- look for Wills and Probate Records. If you are within commuting distance of London and your requirement is post 1858, then try Probate Dept., Principal Registry of the Family Division, First Avenue House, High Holburn, WC1 where you can look up the registers (called Calendars) and order a copy of the will (about £6 last time I was there). Much cheaper than going through any of the commercial organisations. I think they offer a telephone service if you have the dates of grant of probate. There should be other centres in the country offering the same facility. John Holmes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Newbery" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [MON] probate and death information > Dear Listers, > I have recently received probate information on a number of relatives > courtesy of Marjorie, and I now need someone to remind me how I obtain the > relevant wills. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, I have recently received probate information on a number of relatives courtesy of Marjorie, and I now need someone to remind me how I obtain the relevant wills. A second, non connected question is regarding death information. My husband's grandparents, living in Blaenavon in the early 20th century lost 5 of their 8 children. This seemed a very high rate for the time and I would like to know cause of death, but that is just a very high number of certificates to buy. Can anyone advise me if the registry office might be willing to disclose this information for a smaller fee. I don't need the certificates just the information ie premature birth, childhood disease, cot death. I know conditions in Blaenavon may have been poor and polluted but the level of deaths seems excessive. I know two were twins which may have been one reason. Best wishes, Mary

Hi I have found when it comes to transcriptions, both are similar, and sometimes one will find a particular entry that the other does not find, but not much differences between them. The actual scans of the census pages however is a little different. Where comparisons of the two have been done, I have found that in almost all cases, the Find My Past has the better census scans, especially on those faint/hard to read pages. ----- Original Message ----- From: <azusuk1@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:47 AM Subject: [MON] census data - source? > > I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would > appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by > most listers. > Regards > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also use Ancestry for censuses, they now have the 1911 England one, not sure about the Wales as I haven't had occasion to look up anyone from there yet. Marjorie On 05/06/2012, at 3:23 AM, ann wrote: > I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would > appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by most > listers.

Many thanks to everyone for the advice. Much appreciated. Will try both sources on free basis then decide. Regards David -----Original Message----- From: Chris Mahoney <cmahoney@orcon.net.nz> To: monmouthshire <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 7:31 Subject: Re: [MON] census data - source? Hi I have found when it comes to transcriptions, both are similar, and ometimes one will find a particular entry that the other does not find, but ot much differences between them. The actual scans of the census pages however is a little different. Where omparisons of the two have been done, I have found that in almost all ases, the Find My Past has the better census scans, especially on those aint/hard to read pages. ---- Original Message ----- rom: <azusuk1@aol.com> o: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> ent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:47 AM ubject: [MON] census data - source? I need to access the various census from 1841 to 1911 again but would appreciate guidance on which sources (Ancestry, Find my--) are used by most listers. Regards David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message