Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, include: 1. A visit to the town of Llandeilo in the county of Carmarthenshire on a rainy day in January (eleven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in January 1999. 2. The former mining village of Nantyglo in the county of Monmouthshire (seven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1999. As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

In a message dated 2/2/2007 9:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, janjames@westnet.com.au writes: What is a non conformist- Jan Western Australia ========== Hi, Jan. A Non-Conformist is a person who is of a religious persuasion other than the Established Church (i.e, The Church of England, or, in Wales, The Church in Wales). Regards, Cecil

thanks Peter - I will see what I can find when I am in Wales in April and post to the list if I find anything and where. regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Williams" <peter.williams@bcs.org> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [MON] land records > Dear Ann, > > What about Land Tax records? I got Mark Herber's Ancestral Trails, > published in association with the Society of Genealogists, (ISBN > 0-7509-3510-3) for Christmas. It's a superb reference book for all things > genealogical in the UK. He says (p. 534): > > "It [Land tax] was levied from 1693 until 1963 although the most extensive > surviving records are from 1780 to 1832. Catholics were charged double > tax > from 1692 until 1831. Collection (and therefore documentation) was > organised by county, hundred and then parish. > > Land Tax records consist primarily of assessments and returns. they list > the landowners (proprietors) and from 1772 the occupiers of a property. > However, a proprietor might not be a freeholder, but a copyholder or a > long > leaseholder(chapter 27). An occupier might be a tenant or a sub-tenant. > ..... > Before 1780 the survival of documents varies substantially from place to > place, and often only limited records have survived. From 1780 to 1832 > ( a > little before 1780 in some counties), duplicates of the land tax > assessments > for counties were lodged with the Clerk of the Peace. because the payment > of land tax evidenced a qualification to vote for parliamentary > elections, > and the Clerk was responsible for producing lists of voters. The Clerk's > records usually survive in Quarter Sessions' records at CROs. Assessments > for boroughs were rarely deposited because borough franchises were > different > and payment of land tax was usually irrelevant to men's entitlement to > vote > there." > > Are there any such records at the Gwent Record Office? I had been hoping > to > use the land tax records to try to find some of my family. > > Peter Williams > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyn Nunn" <lnunn@bigpond.net.au> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [MON] land records > > >> Thanks Ann - I did think it would be pretty remote idea. >> >> Lyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> >> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 10:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >> >> >>> Dear Lyn >>> >>> Initially it would probably have been kept by the parties concerned - >>> and >>> by >>> now could be almost anywhere. It may have passed to a new owner, or >>> been >>> lost or destroyed. Not very much is currently available and it is quite >>> amazing what turns up where. I research at St George's archives in >>> Windsor >>> and they house some records for very small manors in Cornwall, Wales and >>> in >>> fact probably for properties in more than half the English counties. >>> The >>> most helpful thing to pursue is past owners. There is no requirement >>> for >>> these records to be kept anywhere in particular as they are considered >>> to >>> be >>> personal property nowadays, and would be passed to Record Offices and >>> such >>> only if the owner thought to do it. >>> >>> Sorry - not helpful - but finding records from such a date would be >>> remarkably good fortune. >>> >>> best wishes Anne >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >>> Sent: 10 January 2007 11:39 >>> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >>> >>> >>> Thanks Anne. Was the paperwork recorded in a central place like a Titles >>> Office? >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Anne Welch" <anne.welch@virgin.net> >>> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MON] land records >>> >>> >>>> Dear Lyn >>>> >>>> A moiety is a half-share of physical land - and yes there would have >>>> been >>>> paperwork for a legal transfer. >>>> >>>> In haste - best wishes - Anne >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>>> [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lyn Nunn >>>> Sent: 07 January 2007 06:36 >>>> To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com; monfh@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: [MON] land records >>>> >>>> >>>> I wondering if anyone can tell me if it is possible and, if so, how to >>>> trace >>>> land records from 17th and early 18th century. Edward WILLIAMS vicar of >>>> Chepstow who died in 1692 had the following estate - >>>> >>>> Moiety of the Tythe of Hardwick and Chepstow . >>>> Freehold Estates in Houses Garden Orchards and Lands situate and being >>>> in >>>> the Parishes of Chepstow and Lanvaches in the said County of Monmouth. >>>> Estate in Cardiganshire. >>>> >>>> What exactly does Moiety of the Tythe mean? I take it to mean an income >>>> not >>>> actually physical land? >>>> >>>> Was there any form of transfer of Title/Deed to land when it was sold >>>> that >>>> early? >>>> >>>> regards >>>> >>>> Lyn Nunn >>>> Brisbane >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/mon1016.htm -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Treharne Jones Sent: 02 February 2007 18:44 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty I think this is it http://tinyurl.com/2sqfer - the following came up in Google so I thought you might be interested in http://tinyurl.com/33lex7 and http://tinyurl.com/39d2nu Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Where is the the church named St Davids in Rhymney. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry some Jenkins Blaeavon stuff. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lewsplace/ourweb/Welsh%20pages/Bible%20Entrie s.htm Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: 02 February 2007 17:39 To: XRhiannonPricex@aol.com Cc: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty Hello, Where is the the church named St Davids in Rhymney. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching the Jenkins, Phillips, Morgan's and Forward's of Blaenavon. Monmouthshire Wales If any one has any info I would be pleased to receive it. Some info on my site. Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: 02 February 2007 19:09 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty Hello Robert, Thank you for the details, I have a friend who lives in Llechryd on the outskirts of Rhymney but was unsure of where this church was located because I never drive through Rhymney itself but when I did I only ever noticed a Chapel, so St David's is not a Church that stands out. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Go to : St. David, Rhymney, 1971 - 1995. Ty Cwrdd, Hengoed, 1899 - 1930. Methodist Central Hall & Sunday School, Bargoed, 1924 - 1933 ... www.caerphilly.gov.uk/yourservices/bdmcp/records.htm Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: 02 February 2007 19:09 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty Hello Robert, Thank you for the details, I have a friend who lives in Llechryd on the outskirts of Rhymney but was unsure of where this church was located because I never drive through Rhymney itself but when I did I only ever noticed a Chapel, so St David's is not a Church that stands out. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try this site: http://www.caerphilly.gov.uk/yourservices/bdmcp/records.htm Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: 02 February 2007 17:39 To: XRhiannonPricex@aol.com Cc: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty Hello, Where is the the church named St Davids in Rhymney. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think this is it http://tinyurl.com/2sqfer - the following came up in Google so I thought you might be interested in http://tinyurl.com/33lex7 and http://tinyurl.com/39d2nu Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Where is the the church named St Davids in Rhymney.

I have ANN JENKINS (1827 Caerleon-1893), wife of John Rawlings, who died at The British, Talywain. Her mother was a Watkins. Ann's first husband was Thomas Williams (1820-??) who left her a widow with six Williams children. John was a widower with five children. Ann and John are my great-grandparents. Jack Nesbitt Kansas City USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lewis Bates" <lewbat@tiscali.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty > > I am researching the Jenkins, Phillips, Morgan's and Forward's of > Blaenavon. Monmouthshire Wales If any one has any info I would be > pleased to receive it. > Some info on my site. > > > Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and > information. > > Welcome to the Bates Place > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > B1oatley@aol.com > Sent: 02 February 2007 19:09 > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty > > Hello Robert, > > Thank you for the details, I have a friend who lives in Llechryd on the > > outskirts of Rhymney but was unsure of where this church was located > because I > never drive through Rhymney itself but when I did I only ever noticed a > Chapel, > so St David's is not a Church that stands out. > Regards Barbara > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Robert, Thank you for the details, I have a friend who lives in Llechryd on the outskirts of Rhymney but was unsure of where this church was located because I never drive through Rhymney itself but when I did I only ever noticed a Chapel, so St David's is not a Church that stands out. Regards Barbara

Thanks to all who replied on and off list. I've gained a bit more insight now. Now, if my branch were not non-conformist, what are the chances are that the children will have been baptised and late got married in St Davids? Dewi -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:34:45 EST Von: XRhiannonPricex@aol.com An: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com CC: Betreff: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty > Theres a street or was a street called Tre Evans which was near to St > David's Parish Church > -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail?ac=OM.GX.GX003K11711T4781a

----- Original Message ----- From: "Val & John Lewis" <val@chetwynd23.freeserve.co.uk> To: <powys@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: [POWYS] Thomas Watkins > We have Death Certificate for a Thomas Watkins aged 30 who died at > Skenfirth Mon on the 24 December 1884. > Does any one have access to the the Parish Records and to determine if he > was married. Also if there is a Monumental Inscription. > The person who registered the death is a John Chamberlain who we can not > associate with our family tree. > > Val & John Lewis > > =================== > Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: > www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello, Where is the the church named St Davids in Rhymney. Regards Barbara

Apologies for posting this again - I realised I'd forgotten the subject line..... Nathaniel Davies was born in 1791 in Breconshire. The exact town is not yet known, nor who his parents were. He married Ann Unknown (born in 1792 in Brecon), where the first child was also born, before the family moved to Monmouthshire, where Nathaniel worked as a quarryman at the Ironworks in Bedwellty, living at Dre Evans. Their children were: - David Davies (1818 - >1881) in BRE - John Davies (b.: ca. 1821) - William Davies (b. 1829) in GLA - Margaret Davies (b.: 1831) Based upon the birthplaces of their children, the eldest son was born in Brecon town in 1818, the third child in Glamorgan in 1829 and the daughter not in MON in 1831, the family must have been on the move a fair bit, ending up in Bedwellty in 1841. By 1851 he had become a master haulier. In 1851 their granddaughter, Anne, aged 4, born in Carmarthenshire, is living with them, but no sign of her parents (although Davids wife was born in Llanegwad CMN, so this might be a clue). Nathaniel died in 1852. I do not know where or when Ann died, nor where they are buried. So much to the background. Now, not knowing Monmouthshire at all (coming from relatively rural Caernarfonshire), can anyone shed any light on the Rhumney Ironworks in Bedwellty, apart from the fact they closed in the 1890s and were part owned by the Crawshay family? I assume Dre Evans no longer exists. Does anyone know anything about this road or district? Finally, can anyone with local knowledge help decipher the census place on the following images of the 1851 census? Dwelling Dre Evans Census Place Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty XXX coed Public Records Office Reference: HO 107 Piece / Folio 2448 Page Number Page 5 Schedule Sched 17 Nathaniel Davies, head, mar, 60, master haulier, Breconshire Ann Davies, wife, mar, 59, Brecon William Davies, son, 22, Glamorganshire Anne Davies, grndau, 4, Carmarthenshire and Dwelling Dre Evans Census Place Bedwellty XXX lawycoed Rhymney XXX works (pres. Iron) Public Records Office Reference: HO107 Piece / Folio 2448/ 485 Page Number 6 Schedule Sched 21 David N Davies, head, mar, 35, Haulier, Brecon Mary N. Davies, wife, mar, 28, Carmarthenshire Much obliged, Dewi -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail?ac=OM.GX.GX003K11711T4781a

Theres a street or was a street called Tre Evans which was near to St David's Parish Church

Hello Dewi, Rhymney Ironworks was not named that to start off with, it was called Rhymney Furnace and was started by 4 Bristol Merchants who were the owners and later Richard Crawshay of Cyfarthfa took an interest reason being was so that he could use this as a dowry for his daughter. Bute Iron Works upper Rhymney Valley was the opposite side of the bank to Rhymney Furnace and both became known as Rhymney Ironworks. A little village called Bute Town consists of three rows of terraced cottages and is a beautiful location and two of the houses are now a Museum and well worth a visit, but these cottages were some distance from the works but the Iron Works was situated in that location. And regarding Dre Evans I myself have not heard of this but back then there was not always named roads some were just classed as where they were close to, and Bute Town is on the edge of the village of Rhymney itself and not to be confused with the Valley named Rhymney. Regards Barbara

Nathaniel Davies was born in 1791 in Breconshire. The exact town is not yet known, nor who his parents were. He married Ann Unknown (born in 1792 in Brecon), where the first child was also born, before the family moved to Monmouthshire, where Nathaniel worked as a quarryman at the Ironworks in Bedwellty, living at Dre Evans. Their children were: - David Davies (1818 - >1881) in BRE - John Davies (b.: ca. 1821) - William Davies (b. 1829) in GLA - Margaret Davies (b.: 1831) Based upon the birthplaces of their children, the eldest son was born in Brecon town in 1818, the third child in Glamorgan in 1829 and the daughter not in MON in 1831, the family must have been on the move a fair bit, ending up in Bedwellty in 1841. By 1851 he had become a master haulier. In 1851 their granddaughter, Anne, aged 4, born in Carmarthenshire, is living with them, but no sign of her parents (although Davids wife was born in Llanegwad CMN, so this might be a clue). Nathaniel died in 1852. I do not know where or when Ann died, nor where they are buried. So much to the background. Now, not knowing Monmouthshire at all (coming from relatively rural Caernarfonshire), can anyone shed any light on the Rhumney Ironworks in Bedwellty, apart from the fact they closed in the 1890s and were part owned by the Crawshay family? I assume Dre Evans no longer exists. Does anyone know anything about this road or district? Finally, can anyone with local knowledge help decipher the census place on the following images of the 1851 census? Dwelling Dre Evans Census Place Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty XXX coed Public Records Office Reference: HO 107 Piece / Folio 2448 Page Number Page 5 Schedule Sched 17 Nathaniel Davies, head, mar, 60, master haulier, Breconshire Ann Davies, wife, mar, 59, Brecon William Davies, son, 22, Glamorganshire Anne Davies, grndau, 4, Carmarthenshire and Dwelling Dre Evans Census Place Bedwellty XXX lawycoed Rhymney XXX works (pres. Iron) Public Records Office Reference: HO107 Piece / Folio 2448/ 485 Page Number 6 Schedule Sched 21 David N Davies, head, mar, 35, Haulier, Brecon Mary N. Davies, wife, mar, 28, Carmarthenshire Much obliged, Dewi -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer

The mystery of the disappearance of Evan Evans (b. c1812-1816), my G GF, been solved. He died on 11 Feb 1843 in Garndiffaith, Trevethin, MON. Cause of death was Decline, which evidently meant Tuberculosis, given his relative youth (age 34). He was found concealed in the BMD behind a transcription error which set forth his forename as "Ewan". One would think that the fuzzy search for "Evan" would have turned it up, but it didn't, and there you are. Thanks again to all who took an interest in the case. Regards, Cecil

--- "jonnixey.fh" <jonnixey.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > my great grandmother was Elizabeth tiley born in Mon, her father was > Frederick Tiley born Stapleton, Gloucestershire, any connections? Fred's > brother James also moved to Mon around the same time. > Jon No trace of a Fred at present and my only James was born COLERNE Wiltshire. The majority of my TILEY line appear in and around MARSHFIELD Gloucestershire. Jim Parsons http://www.payman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Over 10,500 names in the forest. And I have now found the Woods http://www.fromeresearch.org.uk ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html