Hi Lewis, One lister suggested the name in 1861 was Ellior which would make perfect sense to me. As Job was from Wiltshire and likely wasn't able to write, Hellier in a west country accent would sound like Ellior, or Ellier. Tracking his wife Margaret back through the 1851 and 1841 censuses and tying up with freebmd info all ads up: Margaret Phillpott, (dau of William and charlotte Phillpott) married John Forward Abergavenny 1846. Son Samuel with mum and grandparents in 1851. Margaret Forward married Job Hillier Abergavenny 1853. Job and Margaret appear in 1861 as Ellios or Ellior with 3 children Elizabeth, Mary Ann and Thomas. Margaret Hellier married Charles Escott Abergavenny 1869. Jane Escott born Abergavenny 1870. 1871 census, Margaret appears with the surname Day, so does her daughter Jane, but the children from her previous marriage were still named Hellier. 1881 much the same. 1891 Margaret is with daughter and son in law Isaac and Maria Jenkins, and Margaret's surname is once again Escott. Many thanks for your help and interest and to everyone else who replied over this query. Kind regards, JOn

Lots of HILLIER'S MAYBE NAME CORRUPTION? Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jonnixey.fh Sent: 05 February 2007 17:32 To: Rootsweb Monmouthshire Subject: [MON] Help: Llanwenarth Ultra lookup please? Importance: High Hi listers, Could sks check the 1861 census image of Llanwenarth Ultra for me please? I'm looking for the Hellier family, and this one jumped out at me just now. So I'd appreciate it if a pair of willing eyes could help out on this entry. Many thanks in advance, Jon 1861 Wales Census, Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire. Job Ellios head abt 1828 Burbage, Wiltshire Margaret Ellios wife abt 1828 St Margaret, Herefordshire Charlott Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Elizabeth Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Mary Ann Ellios dau abt 1858 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Thomas Ellios son abt 1860 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Hellier, widower, living at Church Road 1861 census living Monmouthshire. Age 85 Ag Labourer.born Wiltshire Chirrall Mary Hellier House? servant born Panton Somerset. Age 30 b abt 1831 living at "Independent Chapel"? Unmarried 1861 Census aberystruth More? Lewis http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lewsplace/ourweb/Welsh%20pages/Welsh%20Ancest ry.ht m Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Treharne Jones Sent: 05 February 2007 19:10 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Help: Llanwenarth Ultra lookup please? Hi Jon Not sure what it is you want checked but the surname on the census image looks like Ellios or Ellior - there's no hint of a first letter' h'. Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jonnixey.fh Sent: 05 February 2007 17:32 Could sks check the 1861 census image of Llanwenarth Ultra for me please? I'm looking for the Hellier family, and this one jumped out at me just now. So I'd appreciate it if a pair of willing eyes could help out on this entry. Many thanks in advance, Jon 1861 Wales Census, Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire. Job Ellios head abt 1828 Burbage, Wiltshire Margaret Ellios wife abt 1828 St Margaret, Herefordshire Charlott Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Elizabeth Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Mary Ann Ellios dau abt 1858 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Thomas Ellios son abt 1860 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Appears correct to me. Image is clearly Ellios The "E" is identical to the "E" in Emily above. No trace of an "H" I will search for a Hellier, let you know if successful. Best of Luck Lewis Go to http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lewsplace/ourweb/Welsh%20pages/Welsh%20Ancest ry.htm -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Treharne Jones Sent: 05 February 2007 19:10 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Help: Llanwenarth Ultra lookup please? Hi Jon Not sure what it is you want checked but the surname on the census image looks like Ellios or Ellior - there's no hint of a first letter' h'. Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jonnixey.fh Sent: 05 February 2007 17:32 Could sks check the 1861 census image of Llanwenarth Ultra for me please? I'm looking for the Hellier family, and this one jumped out at me just now. So I'd appreciate it if a pair of willing eyes could help out on this entry. Many thanks in advance, Jon 1861 Wales Census, Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire. Job Ellios head abt 1828 Burbage, Wiltshire Margaret Ellios wife abt 1828 St Margaret, Herefordshire Charlott Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Elizabeth Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Mary Ann Ellios dau abt 1858 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Thomas Ellios son abt 1860 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jon Not sure what it is you want checked but the surname on the census image looks like Ellios or Ellior - there's no hint of a first letter' h'. Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jonnixey.fh Sent: 05 February 2007 17:32 Could sks check the 1861 census image of Llanwenarth Ultra for me please? I'm looking for the Hellier family, and this one jumped out at me just now. So I'd appreciate it if a pair of willing eyes could help out on this entry. Many thanks in advance, Jon 1861 Wales Census, Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire. Job Ellios head abt 1828 Burbage, Wiltshire Margaret Ellios wife abt 1828 St Margaret, Herefordshire Charlott Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Elizabeth Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Mary Ann Ellios dau abt 1858 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Thomas Ellios son abt 1860 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire

Hi listers, Could sks check the 1861 census image of Llanwenarth Ultra for me please? I'm looking for the Hellier family, and this one jumped out at me just now. So I'd appreciate it if a pair of willing eyes could help out on this entry. Many thanks in advance, Jon 1861 Wales Census, Llanwenarth Ultra, Monmouthshire. Job Ellios head abt 1828 Burbage, Wiltshire Margaret Ellios wife abt 1828 St Margaret, Herefordshire Charlott Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Elizabeth Ellios dau abt 1856 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Mary Ann Ellios dau abt 1858 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire Thomas Ellios son abt 1860 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire

--- JANLWH@aol.com wrote: > John, thanks for the information. I am a big fan of grave yards and reading > > old gravestones. Janet > Janet A small number of Welsh burials in this cemetery. Jim Parsons http://www.payman.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Over 10,500 names in the forest. And I have now found the Woods http://www.fromeresearch.org.uk ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

John, thanks for the information. Kind regards, Janet

In January I posted messages about marriage of Hannah PITT to a Thomas THOMAS in 1806 in Herefordshire. She died in 1868 in Cusop, Herefordshire, a widow, with his occupation listed as cooper. Her siblings and relatives lived in Herefordshire and just across the borders in various Welsh areas. Would like to thank those who helped in learning more about Hannah and helped to eliminate some Thomas THOMAS individuals from list of possible matches. Some answered directly and others via the respective lists. Thanks to Polly Rubery, Ken Thomas, Bryan Thomas, Alec Whitfield, Delphine in Brisbane, Bill Harrison, Jan James in Western Australia, Liz McAsey. Will continue in my search to find out more about Thomas THOMAS, a cooper, who apparently died before 1840. Thanks for your willingness to help and clues to follow. Ruth Ann Baker United States

Janet As I'm sure you know the UK is full of 'lovely old churches' - each of them costs a great deal of money to maintain the structure, and as church congregations fall steadily there is really no case to be made for that expenditure. If the numbers in the congregation fall beyond a critical mass their spiritual needs are catered for in another nearby church, maybe in the next town, and the land sold off to generate income which can be used to bolster up church activity elsewhere. Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JANLWH@aol.com Also, why would they tear down a lovely old Baptist church?

Janet <JANLWH@aol.com> wrote: I noticed on these pictures that there is a Hermon Baptist Church Cemetery that is old and in the town of Nantyglo wants to landscape it but the graves will have to be moved. They have to get permission from the living relatives and many of them are in America. I was wondering if there is a list of who is buried there somewhere on line? I had ancestors in the area and if any of mine are buried in this cemetery, I would gladly give my permission. I know that I am only one person but that is a start. =================== Dear Janet, My webpage featuring photographs of Nantyglo dates back to February 1999, almost exactly eight years ago. Whatever action the local council proposed in 1999 has no doubt taken place by now. According to its website (at www.rootsweb.com/~wlsgfhs/Sales/MIsAlpha.htm#N), Gwent Family History Society has published (on microfiche) the monumental inscriptions of the tombstones in Hermon Chapel graveyard, as Fiche 79, MI File 88. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Robert, No I didn't know that the UK was full of lonely old churches. I have never been there. Our church here in Virginia started in a store front until they saved up the money to buy land and build the first 2 buildings. My husband helps with the grounds care and loves it. In my family photo album, which contains family charts, the houses that we lived in as far back as I can find, the places that we worked and also the churches that we worship(ed) in. When I come to Wales on the trip that I have been saving many many years for, I want to take pictures of the homes my ancestors lived in, the places they worked and the church's they worshiped in. It is a heritage that I want to pass on to the younger members in the family. So far a person from Aberdare volunteered to take a photo of the house my grandmother grew up in until she was 13 and the family immigrated to the USA. I had it framed for my Dad. He died about a year and a half ago but he did have the picture for about a year before he died. I know that it meant a lot to him and I am forever grateful to this young man. I hope to be able to do the same for someone some day. Thanks so much for the explanation, as I am not at all up on things in the UK. Take care, Janet

John, thanks for the information. I am a big fan of grave yards and reading old gravestones. Janet

I noticed on these pictures that there is a Hermon Baptist Church Cemetery that is old and in the town of Nantyglo wants to landscape it but the graves will have to be moved. They have to get permission from the living relatives and many of them are in America. I was wondering if there is a list of who is buried there somewhere on line? I had ancestors in the area and if any of mine are buried in this cemetery, I would gladly give my permission. I know that I am only one person but that is a start. My family was Stephens, Wall, Lloyd and Jenkins in the area. My family immigrated to the coal fields of north eastern Pennsylvania, USA in the 1880's and 1890's. I was noticing that the pictures of Nantyglo and looking up the valley road to Bryn Mawr where my ancestors lived looks so very very much like the Wyoming Valley area of north eastern Pennsylvania to where my grandparents immigrated to work in the coal mines!!!!! The houses are different but they did build them close to the road like that in this area of Pennsylvania. My husband who is from the mid western US always asks my why the houses in my home town in Pennsylvania were built so close to the road. Perhaps, for the same reason that they did here in this area here in Wales because they are some of the one's who built the homes in Pennsylvaina I sure do enjoy this pictures and view them each week! Also, why would they tear down a lovely old Baptist church? Take care, Janet

Hi Ray, Thanks for your comments. It's only in this last week that I've found Allender in my tree but already I have received a lot of information on the family. When I've had chance to digest it I might find a lead to WA Regards, John Southern Flinders Ranges South Australia jelegg@optusnet.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Lewis" <harveyjl@iinet.net.au> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [MON] ALLENDER > G'day John > > There is an Allender here in WA who married the oldest daughter of one of > our friends. Unfortunately we have lost touch with the family but I am > sure > they still live in WA somewhere. From memory, I think he worked for > Telecom > Australia some 25 years ago. This may be old news as you may already know > of > the family but if you didn't, it may be a branch you didn't know about. > > Regards > Ray Lewis > Hazelmere Western Australia > > Surname Interests in Monmouthshire: Jones; Lewis; Prosser > > > http://www.LostCousins.com/?ref=LC894461 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Legg > Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2007 10:29 AM > To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com; monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MON] ALLENDER > > Hi Listers, > I am researching Thomas ALLENDER born 1865 in Oakengates, > Shropshire. > He married Ellen WILLIAMS, born 1866 Hill Top, West Bromwich, in > Newport > Monmouthshire in 1892. > In 1901 they lived in 9 Charles Street Rogerstone, Monmouthshire and > they had four children Annie born 1893 > Frank born 1895 > Fred born 1898 > Harold born 1900 > All of the children were born in Rogerstone > > > > Regards, > John > Southern Flinders Ranges > South Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day John There is an Allender here in WA who married the oldest daughter of one of our friends. Unfortunately we have lost touch with the family but I am sure they still live in WA somewhere. From memory, I think he worked for Telecom Australia some 25 years ago. This may be old news as you may already know of the family but if you didn't, it may be a branch you didn't know about. Regards Ray Lewis Hazelmere Western Australia Surname Interests in Monmouthshire: Jones; Lewis; Prosser http://www.LostCousins.com/?ref=LC894461 -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Legg Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2007 10:29 AM To: eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com; monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [MON] ALLENDER Hi Listers, I am researching Thomas ALLENDER born 1865 in Oakengates, Shropshire. He married Ellen WILLIAMS, born 1866 Hill Top, West Bromwich, in Newport Monmouthshire in 1892. In 1901 they lived in 9 Charles Street Rogerstone, Monmouthshire and they had four children Annie born 1893 Frank born 1895 Fred born 1898 Harold born 1900 All of the children were born in Rogerstone Regards, John Southern Flinders Ranges South Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I am researching Thomas ALLENDER born 1865 in Oakengates, Shropshire. He married Ellen WILLIAMS, born 1866 Hill Top, West Bromwich, in Newport Monmouthshire in 1892. In 1901 they lived in 9 Charles Street Rogerstone, Monmouthshire and they had four children Annie born 1893 Frank born 1895 Fred born 1898 Harold born 1900 All of the children were born in Rogerstone Regards, John Southern Flinders Ranges South Australia

What is a non conformist- Jan Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dewi Evans Sent: Friday, 2 February 2007 10:09 PM To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty Thanks to all who replied on and off list. I've gained a bit more insight now. Now, if my branch were not non-conformist, what are the chances are that the children will have been baptised and late got married in St Davids? Dewi -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:34:45 EST Von: XRhiannonPricex@aol.com An: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com CC: Betreff: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty > Theres a street or was a street called Tre Evans which was near to St > David's Parish Church > -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail?ac=OM.GX.GX003K11711T4781a ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William Forward was a pioneer settler in Northam Western Australia. He was born 1804 Sussex England and arrived in Western Australia 1829 per "Gilmore" and has many decendants. Is he yours?- Jan Western Australia. -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bates Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2007 4:40 AM To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty I am researching the Jenkins, Phillips, Morgan's and Forward's of Blaenavon. Monmouthshire Wales If any one has any info I would be pleased to receive it. Some info on my site. Visit the Bates web pages for loads of interesting history, links and information. Welcome to the Bates Place -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: 02 February 2007 19:09 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Rhymney Ironworks, Bedwellty Hello Robert, Thank you for the details, I have a friend who lives in Llechryd on the outskirts of Rhymney but was unsure of where this church was located because I never drive through Rhymney itself but when I did I only ever noticed a Chapel, so St David's is not a Church that stands out. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:22:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, janjames@westnet.com.au writes: Are there any records on the net for them-Jan Western Australia ============ Hi, Jan. If there is a comprehensive collection of Non-Conformist records on the net, I sure don't know about it and would love to. Maybe some other Listers can help us out here. I do see small, partial collections from time to time on various genealogy websites, but they tend to be spotty. I suppose the IGI [http://www.familysearch.org/] would be one bet, but I do not know how extensive their coverage is. For MON, the Gwent Family History Society [http://www.gwentfhs.info/] offers for sale publications that comprise collections of church and chapel registers, on fiche and CD. Regards, Cecil