Thanks again Ray, not sure if you've seen my reply to your original response. Yes, the name Phipps, seems to occur (relatively) frequently in that SE corner of Wales, as indeed does Phillips. I'm only very recently onto this line, but the odd thing seems to be that my Trelleck-based Phipps seem to make a guest appearance for a single generation, or rather as a single family with parents and three children, then disappear despite the fact that two of the three children were male and may have themselves fathered Phipps in due course, and that I can account in my tree for the only daughter, Sarah. I have Griffees elsewhere in my tree where I can see within a single village comparing the 1841 and 1851 censuses that one family changed from being Griffee to Griffin (and then stayed that way later) quite possibly to avoid name confusion between individuals in the two very large families. Not sure if that might explain the Phipps - Phillips link though. Thanks again David

G'day David >From memory, Richard Roynon used to offer a research service for the Gwent Eastern Valley at http://www.eggra.co.uk/index.html and seeing the comparatively unusual (compared with Davies, Jones, Lewis, Prosser) family name I thought I'd mention it if you didn't already know. Ray Lewis Hazelmere Western Australia Surname Interests in Monmouthshire: Davies; Jones; Lewis; Prosser http://www.LostCousins.com/?ref=LC894461 -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of david lloyd Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2007 1:40 AM To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Fw: TRELLECH Phipps and Phillips, plus Roynon Thanks Carl, interesting, well that's a start. My Sarah Phipps from Trellech married into Somerset farming Roynons but that doesn't mean that other Roynons had gone the other way first to pursue the Welsh coal seams David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ray thanks very much for that, I'll pursue it Kind regards David

I am new to the list and I thought I would try and find out if anyone is researching William Hopkins who married a Sarah from Malmesbury Wiltshire . They are both in the 1841 cesus for LLandogo and they are living with a Alice Hopkins age 80yrs and I thought she might of been his mother but I dont think so William was born in LLandogo but I cannot connect him to anyone I thought his parents were Philip and Alice Hopkins but I dont think so as I have gone into their family tree through the Monmouthshire indexes. Williams son John married a Eliza Crum whose parents were John Crum and Betty Jennings these families are all from LLandogo in Monmouthshire except for Sarah. Thank you I hope some one can solve this puzzle for me Joyce Baber

Hi Joss, Never mind, I appreciate the fact that you tried to help me.At least I can rule it out now. Take care Dawn Joss O'Kelly <jokelly@toucansurf.com> wrote: I've got a sub to the Times Index from the library, but sadly can find nothing on this case. Checked under both William Edwards and Lewis Roberts. TTFN Joss ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes.

I've got a sub to the Times Index from the library, but sadly can find nothing on this case. Checked under both William Edwards and Lewis Roberts. TTFN Joss

Thanks Carl, interesting, well that's a start. My Sarah Phipps from Trellech married into Somerset farming Roynons but that doesn't mean that other Roynons had gone the other way first to pursue the Welsh coal seams David

Hi there! I hadn't thought of that , thanks very much . regards Dawn Firebird <sparrer@gmail.com> wrote: Dawn Robson wrote: > I would love to know if Lewis Roberts(aka Lewis Lewis/ Lewis Robert > Lewis and Lewis Roberts) survived and if there was a more detailed > report of the incident in another paper (which one in 1812?), > giving the reason for their quarrel perhaps. I wonder why William > wasn't hanged, I expect he wished he had been after living in the > terrible prison hulk and then that disease ridden ship. I know I > shouldn't feel sorry for him but I do a bit. I don't know if he had > a wife, he was a farmer and aged about 47. If anyone has any ideas > for finding further info I would be very grateful, esp anything > online as I don't live in Wales. The thought that immediately springs to mind given that William EDWARDS was a farmer is that Lewis ROBERTS was either poaching on his land, indulging in a bit of sheep stealing or something similar; or that William suspected Lewis was doing so. I imagine that Lewis did survive since he apparently was a witness against William. There's no mention in any of the notes that you have that Lewis was killed only that he "[shot] Lewis with intent" and did so "so as to maim and disfigure him". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship.

I have trying to trace the Phipps family in Trellech, my ancestor Sarah bapt 1796 was the daughter of Joseph Phipps and Eleanor, and had an older brother 1793 James and a younger brother 1799 Joseph. Sarah crossed to Somerset in 1820's to marry into the fascinating Roynon family in Compton Martin. I have these Q's, if anyone has any ideas at all I'd be very grateful: 1. I can't find many Phipps, but there seem to be lots of Phillips. Is there a name crossover here maybe? 2.There may have been Roynon links into Monmouthshire already? 3. How did S Wales and N Somerset families mix? Was it connected to coal? 4. Anyone have any Phipps Monmouth roots? I'm not in Wales btw, the Phipps is my mother's Somerset side, my Lloyds are all London since at laest 1780. Many thanks David Lloyd

Just heard back from the Presbyterian Church In Wales head office Moriah Chapel Secretary: Mrs Bronwen Prosser, Upper Genffordd, Talgarth, Aberhonddu, Powys, LD3 0EN Moriah Chapel Minister: Revd Royston Bevan, The Manse, Brecon Road, Crickhowell, Powys, NP8 1DG Unfortunately they do not have email addresses for either! Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Treharne Jones The Church secretary at Moriah should be listed at http://www.ebcpcw.org.uk/en/documents/PDF/rptChurchSecForWeb.pdf but the document appears blank in my browser and I've written to the webmaster to request clarification. -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of audrey am wondering if anyone has any info on moriah chapel in pengenfford?while visiting Wales last Sept I was able to visit the chapel/graveyard and found gravesite of my ggrandparents,David and Elizabeth Hargest but found it unusual no other Hargests there.I would love to have more info on Moriah or perhaps be able to contact someone in the area who is familier with it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. I suspect it is possible to identify the house from that photo. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [MON] House in Fields Park, Newport > There's quite a good Google Earth view of Fields Park Crescent at: > http://tinyurl.com/yssd8q > > Robert >

If you go to www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian you will find a searchable index of the 'Cambrian' newspaper which was published from 1804. There is an account of the trial at Monmouth Assizes in the edition of 11 April 1812. Searching on 'Lewis Roberts' also turns up an item about a man of that name from 'Blanavan' which could be Blaenavon, a timber merchant, something to do with bankruptcy. If you follow other links on the Cambrian web page you will find out how to order photocopies of the article from Swansea Central Library. If someone has access to the Times Digital Archive, for example if their local library has a subscription, it could be that the trial and subsequent events will have been reported there as well, though perhaps without local detail. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Robson" <dawn_c_robson@yahoo.co.uk> To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:02 AM Subject: [MON] Murder Mystery in Blaenavon! William Edwards and LewisRoberts Help please Hello everyone! I have an ancestor called William Edwards (aka Will o' the Coed) and these are the details that I have about him. I would love to find out some more and would be grateful for ideas. The notes below were given to me by a relative but I don't know who discovered these facts. 1812 Lewis Roberts, Wm Richards, Ann Jones and Wm Williams were witnesses giving evidence against William Edwards 'Where as William Edwards was guilty of feloniously and maliciously shooting Lewis Roberts'. He was sentenced to be transported for life to the coast of New South Wales (The Criminal Register Indexes show that he was actually sentenced to be hanged for shooting Lewis with intent.) Hereford Journal 8 April 1812 (Reporting on the Oxford circuit Monmouthshire Assizes the previous week) W Edwards was charged with wilfully having shot at Lewis Roberts so as to maim and disfigure him. Found guilty and sentenced to death - Reprieved.

Dawn Robson wrote: > I would love to know if Lewis Roberts(aka Lewis Lewis/ Lewis Robert > Lewis and Lewis Roberts) survived and if there was a more detailed > report of the incident in another paper (which one in 1812?), > giving the reason for their quarrel perhaps. I wonder why William > wasn't hanged, I expect he wished he had been after living in the > terrible prison hulk and then that disease ridden ship. I know I > shouldn't feel sorry for him but I do a bit. I don't know if he had > a wife, he was a farmer and aged about 47. If anyone has any ideas > for finding further info I would be very grateful, esp anything > online as I don't live in Wales. The thought that immediately springs to mind given that William EDWARDS was a farmer is that Lewis ROBERTS was either poaching on his land, indulging in a bit of sheep stealing or something similar; or that William suspected Lewis was doing so. I imagine that Lewis did survive since he apparently was a witness against William. There's no mention in any of the notes that you have that Lewis was killed only that he "[shot] Lewis with intent" and did so "so as to maim and disfigure him".

sorry should have read willcoxes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Jones" <bookboyz@btconnect.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [MON] TRELLECH Phipps and Phillips, plus Roynon > David, > as for the link about families meeting, Ive got a somerset Willcowes > marring > Morgans in Abertillery. Coal mining was dying in somerset and loads of > them > moved to south wales. > > carl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david lloyd" <scromlet@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:22 AM > Subject: [MON] TRELLECH Phipps and Phillips, plus Roynon > > >> >> I have trying to trace the Phipps family in Trellech, my ancestor Sarah >> bapt 1796 was the daughter of Joseph Phipps and Eleanor, and had an older >> brother 1793 James and a younger brother 1799 Joseph. >> >> Sarah crossed to Somerset in 1820's to marry into the fascinating Roynon >> family in Compton Martin. >> >> >> I have these Q's, if anyone has any ideas at all I'd be very grateful: >> >> 1. I can't find many Phipps, but there seem to be lots of Phillips. Is >> there a name crossover here maybe? >> >> 2.There may have been Roynon links into Monmouthshire already? >> >> 3. How did S Wales and N Somerset families mix? Was it connected to coal? >> >> 4. Anyone have any Phipps Monmouth roots? >> >> I'm not in Wales btw, the Phipps is my mother's Somerset side, my Lloyds >> are all London since at laest 1780. >> >> Many thanks >> >> David Lloyd >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/685 - Release Date: >> 13/02/2007 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/685 - Release Date: > 13/02/2007 > >

David, as for the link about families meeting, Ive got a somerset Willcowes marring Morgans in Abertillery. Coal mining was dying in somerset and loads of them moved to south wales. carl ----- Original Message ----- From: "david lloyd" <scromlet@tiscali.co.uk> To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:22 AM Subject: [MON] TRELLECH Phipps and Phillips, plus Roynon > > I have trying to trace the Phipps family in Trellech, my ancestor Sarah > bapt 1796 was the daughter of Joseph Phipps and Eleanor, and had an older > brother 1793 James and a younger brother 1799 Joseph. > > Sarah crossed to Somerset in 1820's to marry into the fascinating Roynon > family in Compton Martin. > > > I have these Q's, if anyone has any ideas at all I'd be very grateful: > > 1. I can't find many Phipps, but there seem to be lots of Phillips. Is > there a name crossover here maybe? > > 2.There may have been Roynon links into Monmouthshire already? > > 3. How did S Wales and N Somerset families mix? Was it connected to coal? > > 4. Anyone have any Phipps Monmouth roots? > > I'm not in Wales btw, the Phipps is my mother's Somerset side, my Lloyds > are all London since at laest 1780. > > Many thanks > > David Lloyd > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.39/685 - Release Date: > 13/02/2007 > >

i am looking for the whereabouts of william hughes in 1891.He was born in chepstow in1855.married deborah jones in sept 1891.possibly in the area of waenllwydd cwm near ebbw vale. mary

Hello everyone! I have an ancestor called William Edwards (aka Will o' the Coed) and these are the details that I have about him. I would love to find out some more and would be grateful for ideas. The notes below were given to me by a relative but I don't know who discovered these facts. 1812 Lewis Roberts, Wm Richards, Ann Jones and Wm Williams were witnesses giving evidence against William Edwards 'Where as William Edwards was guilty of feloniously and maliciously shooting Lewis Roberts'. He was sentenced to be transported for life to the coast of New South Wales (The Criminal Register Indexes show that he was actually sentenced to be hanged for shooting Lewis with intent.) Hereford Journal 8 April 1812 (Reporting on the Oxford circuit Monmouthshire Assizes the previous week) W Edwards was charged with wilfully having shot at Lewis Roberts so as to maim and disfigure him. Found guilty and sentenced to death - Reprieved. Wm Edwards appears to have been kept on board the hulk Retribution anchored off the coast of Portsmouth until he was transported. He embarked on the ship Surrey which arrived in Sydney on 28th July 1814 but he was dead before he got there and buried at sea. Saturday 10 Sept 1814 The contagious and malignant disease which prevailed aboard the male convict ship Surrey on her late passage hither from England having been fatal to thirty six of the convicts destined for this place, his Excellency the Governor deems it expedient that the names of the unfortunate sufferers shall be publicised in order that their friends shall be officially appraised of their decease. Wm Edwards died on 7th july 1814 and was the eleventh man to die. I would love to know if Lewis Roberts(aka Lewis Lewis/ Lewis Robert Lewis and Lewis Roberts) survived and if there was a more detailed report of the incident in another paper (which one in 1812?), giving the reason for their quarrel perhaps. I wonder why William wasn't hanged, I expect he wished he had been after living in the terrible prison hulk and then that disease ridden ship. I know I shouldn't feel sorry for him but I do a bit. I don't know if he had a wife, he was a farmer and aged about 47. If anyone has any ideas for finding further info I would be very grateful, esp anything online as I don't live in Wales. Thankyou Dawn --------------------------------- All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.

There's quite a good Google Earth view of Fields Park Crescent at: http://tinyurl.com/yssd8q Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman After Googling it appears the house may be Elmswood 1 Fields Park Crescent , the home of a firm called Arewen Pets Ltd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> >I have been sent a scan of a newspaper ad from 1917 of the sale of a house > called Elmswood, Fields Park, Newport. It was then the home of Daniel > GUY, > pork butcher, retired (my great-grandmother's brother). > > Can anyone living in that area tell me whether it still exists?. It was > detached with five bedrooms, tennis courts, and nearly an acre of land. > >>From the shadows of the eaves on the photograph with the advert I suspect >>it > may have been on the north side of Fields Park Road, but I may be wrong. > I > can forward the scan to anyone who thinks they might recognise it (or who > wants to take it with them while walking the dog in the area)

After Googling it appears the house may be Elmswood 1 Fields Park Crescent , the home of a firm called Arewen Pets Ltd. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Scott Williams" <scwilli@telus.net> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: [MON] House in Fields Park, Newport >I have been sent a scan of a newspaper ad from 1917 of the sale of a house > called Elmswood, Fields Park, Newport. It was then the home of Daniel > GUY, > pork butcher, retired (my great-grandmother's brother). > > Can anyone living in that area tell me whether it still exists?. It was > detached with five bedrooms, tennis courts, and nearly an acre of land. > >>From the shadows of the eaves on the photograph with the advert I suspect >>it > may have been on the north side of Fields Park Road, but I may be wrong. > I > can forward the scan to anyone who thinks they might recognise it (or who > wants to take it with them while walking the dog in the area) > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been sent a scan of a newspaper ad from 1917 of the sale of a house called Elmswood, Fields Park, Newport. It was then the home of Daniel GUY, pork butcher, retired (my great-grandmother's brother). Can anyone living in that area tell me whether it still exists?. It was detached with five bedrooms, tennis courts, and nearly an acre of land. >From the shadows of the eaves on the photograph with the advert I suspect it may have been on the north side of Fields Park Road, but I may be wrong. I can forward the scan to anyone who thinks they might recognise it (or who wants to take it with them while walking the dog in the area) Jeff