To complicate the issue: I remember being on the Coity Mountain (overlooking Blaenavon) in the dusk in app 1950-55 and seeing a rich glow on the horizon to the west. But it wasn't the sun setting, so we lads reckoned it must have come from a steel works in an adjacent valley. We never thought at the time to ascertain whether this was plausible. I doubt whether the glow could have been seen from right down in the town, but it was probably visible from higher up on the eastern side of Blaenavon, too . Glyn Hatherall Ealing, London glyn@hatherall.org.uk scarrott@one-name.org

Our local library allows access to the Times Digital Archive. The Article is dated Monday 5 August 1929. I can only seem to save the whole page, so the image is a 1Mb pdf file. If anyone would like please email offline and I can send you a copy. David -----Original Message----- From: Dawn Cumbley [mailto:dawn.cumbley@virgin.net] Sent: 26 March 2007 21:48 To: dave@hodgson-brown.co.uk; monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon Thanks David Yes, conditions must have been horrendous - could you tell me which article you are referring to as it may be interesting for me to read. Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hodgson-Brown" <dave@hodgson-brown.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon >I have just read an article in The Times digital archive. It was about how > bad the living conditions were at the time. In the article it mentions > that > Steel production stopped in 1921. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Watkins > Sent: 26 March 2007 02:20 > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon > > > > On 25 Mar 2007, at 23:03, Jeff Coleman wrote: > >> You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except >> Margam is >> concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, >> so you >> might not be talking about a blast furnace. >> >> I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the >> slopes of >> Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being >> pushed >> out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would >> have been >> early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley >> maybe it was >> Nantymoel ..... > > or even any old local gas works > > Hugh W > > -- > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 14:31 > > __________ NOD32 2145 (20070326) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 2145 (20070326) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

On 26 Mar 2007, at 22:46, JANLWH@aol.com wrote: > David, > What was the time frame for this article ("the living > conditions were > bad"). My Wall family worked at the Blaenavon Iron Works in the > 1870's. Where > can I find the Times (is it the London Times?) digital article? I > would > like to know as much as I can about life there for my family book > that I will > make one day for my children, and my nieces and nephews. > Perhaps, those conditions were part of the reason that my great > grandfather, William Wall, left his family and came to America to > search for gold in > California!!! > my father worked in Blaenavon in the National Provincial Bank as a trainee bank clerk guesstimate circa 1924 to about 1929 my mother told me what he saw there of how the mine owners treated their workers made him a life long socialist read How Green Was My Valley is a novel of 1939, by Richard Llewellyn. The author's claims to have based it on his own knowledge of the Gilfach Goch area were proven false, as Llewellyn was English-born and spent little time in Wales, but gathered his facts from conversations with local mining families. The title of the novel is taken from its last sentence: "How green was my valley then, and the valley of them that have gone." 1941 film is one of the films selected for preservation in the United States National Film Regis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Green_Was_My_Valley also later versions for TV and cinema Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

Hi, Im researching the HERN family from Devon and woould like to try and get in contact with possible family still living in Wales.They start from a JAMES HERN and born abt 1817 and ELIZABETH RODD, they married in 1836, at Morwenstow in Cornwall.They had 5 children, 2 of which moved and married to Wales(That Im aware of). 1.NOAH HERN born 1839 at BULKWORTHY, married a JANE SMITH in 1867 at NEWPORT.They had 8 children: AUGUSTUS 1863, WILLIAM 1869, FREDERICK 1870, GEORGE , JAMES, ANNIE, ELIZABETH and HENRIETTA. 2.WILLIAM ROD HERN born 1845 married a KETURAH PRICE in 1867 at NEWPORT.So far I know of 1 child W H JAMES HERN born 1870. If anybody has interest or more info, then please get in touch! Thank you Stuart _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/

Thanks Hugh Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Watkins" <jonesraglan@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon > > On 25 Mar 2007, at 23:03, Jeff Coleman wrote: > >> You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except >> Margam is >> concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, >> so you >> might not be talking about a blast furnace. >> >> I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the >> slopes of >> Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being >> pushed >> out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would >> have been >> early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley >> maybe it was >> Nantymoel ..... > > or even any old local gas works > > Hugh W > > -- > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 14:31 > >

Thanks David Yes, conditions must have been horrendous - could you tell me which article you are referring to as it may be interesting for me to read. Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hodgson-Brown" <dave@hodgson-brown.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon >I have just read an article in The Times digital archive. It was about how > bad the living conditions were at the time. In the article it mentions > that > Steel production stopped in 1921. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Watkins > Sent: 26 March 2007 02:20 > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon > > > > On 25 Mar 2007, at 23:03, Jeff Coleman wrote: > >> You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except >> Margam is >> concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, >> so you >> might not be talking about a blast furnace. >> >> I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the >> slopes of >> Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being >> pushed >> out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would >> have been >> early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley >> maybe it was >> Nantymoel ..... > > or even any old local gas works > > Hugh W > > -- > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 14:31 > >

Thanks again John Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon > Walt <walt.king@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > Here, it says that the last furnace was dismantled in 1938: > "However, by 1914, Blaenavon was in decline. Steelworks moved nearer to > the > sea for obvious reasons and in 1938 the last Blaenavon furnace was > dismantled." > Meanwhile, Wikipedia maintains its customary standards: > .... but since the ironworks closed in 1900 and the coal mine in 1980, the > population has declined, and now consists mostly of older citizens. > There is so much junk on the internet and the rubbish gets copied and > propagated endlessly so it's important to use reliable sources. Gwent RO > and > BBC should be good. It seems that the last furnace was dismantled the year > you were born............. > =================== > > Dear Walt, > > The sources you've quoted are describing two different ironworks sites. > The > Forge Side site ceased production in 1938, while the original North Street > site closed in the early 1900s. > > The Blaenavon Industrial Landscape World-Heritage website states: > ---------------- > The main focus of the area is Blaenavon Ironworks, a site in state care, > where there are remains of a works with six blast furnaces in which, from > 1789 until 1902, ore was smelted to produce pig iron. > ---------------- > [http://www.world-heritage-blaenavon.org.uk/] > > > The Swansea Local History website's South Wales Coal Mining Trail includes > an article on Blaenavon Ironworks that states: > ---------------- > The decline in the steel industry at Blaenavon marked the end of > iron-making > on the old site and the last furnace was blown out in 1904. > ---------------- > [http://www.page-net.com/swansea.localhistory/llansamlet/pages/miningtrail.html] > > > On page 82 of "Blaenavon Through the Years" Volume 2, Malcom Thomas and > John > Lewis clarify the situation for us. I quote: > ---------------- > In the late 1830s, three modern blast furnaces were constructed on the new > site at Forge Side. The new location was chosen due to there being ample > room for expansion and for the siting of new machinery. Its position would > also be accessible to the increasing network of railways in South Wales. > The move heralded the closure of the North Street site, which ceased > production by the end of the 19th century. > ---------------- > Note that the World Heritage Site is the North Street works. > ["Blaenavon Through the Years - in photographs" by Malcom Thomas and John > Lewis, Volume 2, published 1988 by Old Bakehouse Publications, > Abertillery; > ISBN 0-9512181-3-1] > > > To summarise - the original North Street works, which is the famous World > Heritage Site, ceased production soon after 1900. Production then switched > entirely to the Forge Side site whose last furnace was taken out of > commission in 1938. > > Kind regards, > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 14:31 > >

Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon > Walt <walt.king@phonecoop.coop> wrote: > Here, it says that the last furnace was dismantled in 1938: > "However, by 1914, Blaenavon was in decline. Steelworks moved nearer to > the > sea for obvious reasons and in 1938 the last Blaenavon furnace was > dismantled." > Meanwhile, Wikipedia maintains its customary standards: > .... but since the ironworks closed in 1900 and the coal mine in 1980, the > population has declined, and now consists mostly of older citizens. > There is so much junk on the internet and the rubbish gets copied and > propagated endlessly so it's important to use reliable sources. Gwent RO > and > BBC should be good. It seems that the last furnace was dismantled the year > you were born............. > =================== > > Dear Walt, > > The sources you've quoted are describing two different ironworks sites. > The > Forge Side site ceased production in 1938, while the original North Street > site closed in the early 1900s. > > The Blaenavon Industrial Landscape World-Heritage website states: > ---------------- > The main focus of the area is Blaenavon Ironworks, a site in state care, > where there are remains of a works with six blast furnaces in which, from > 1789 until 1902, ore was smelted to produce pig iron. > ---------------- > [http://www.world-heritage-blaenavon.org.uk/] > > > The Swansea Local History website's South Wales Coal Mining Trail includes > an article on Blaenavon Ironworks that states: > ---------------- > The decline in the steel industry at Blaenavon marked the end of > iron-making > on the old site and the last furnace was blown out in 1904. > ---------------- > [http://www.page-net.com/swansea.localhistory/llansamlet/pages/miningtrail.html] > > > On page 82 of "Blaenavon Through the Years" Volume 2, Malcom Thomas and > John > Lewis clarify the situation for us. I quote: > ---------------- > In the late 1830s, three modern blast furnaces were constructed on the new > site at Forge Side. The new location was chosen due to there being ample > room for expansion and for the siting of new machinery. Its position would > also be accessible to the increasing network of railways in South Wales. > The move heralded the closure of the North Street site, which ceased > production by the end of the 19th century. > ---------------- > Note that the World Heritage Site is the North Street works. > ["Blaenavon Through the Years - in photographs" by Malcom Thomas and John > Lewis, Volume 2, published 1988 by Old Bakehouse Publications, > Abertillery; > ISBN 0-9512181-3-1] > > > To summarise - the original North Street works, which is the famous World > Heritage Site, ceased production soon after 1900. Production then switched > entirely to the Forge Side site whose last furnace was taken out of > commission in 1938. > > Kind regards, > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 14:31 > >

Thanks Jeff Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon > You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except Margam > is > concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, so you > might not be talking about a blast furnace. > > I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the slopes of > Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being pushed > out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would have been > early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley maybe it > was > Nantymoel ..... > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 14:31 > >

Well Listers What a lot of replies I have had so I am posting a general thanks. I appear to have opened a great discussion that has been most interesting. I still have to digest all I have received. May I thank all who have so kindly answered my query, it is most kind of you all. It's great to have such varied info. My family would have been quite aware of where the furnace works were as they came from a long line of furnace workers (my grandfather was not) and some of my relatives lived in the Abersychan/Blaenavon/Risca areas. I do not think it likely that my grandfather would have been mistaken in seeing the glow from Blaenavon furnace. What I really wanted to establish was if my dad would have been able to have experienced it as he said he had, since he was born 1906. This all because I am trying to assemble a booklet of some of his reminiscences and wanted to check the facts. Don't want to put something that may not be true. GRIN. Now I can hedge my bets a bit about it somewhat. If Forgeside was taken out of service in 1938 my dad would have been correct but no way would I have been able to have seen the glow. Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net

Many Thanks Chris ps Got your link ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Watkins" <jonesraglan@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Whatchtower Parade Newport > > On 25 Mar 2007, at 19:37, Chris Perkins wrote: > >> Hi, I'm looking for Whatchtower Parade (or Watchhouse) as the >> address for some of my ancestors in the 1861 Census. >> I assume it is around Pill, Can anyone tell me of the exact location > never assume > > 1881 census is a freebie gazetteer too > > use Keyword(s) for addresses and occupations > > > 1881 Wales Census > about Henry Barincoat > Name: Henry Barincoat > Age: 66 > Estimated birth year: abt 1815 > Relation: Head > Gender: Male > Where born: Penryn, Cornwall, England > > Civil parish: St Woollos > County/Island: Monmouthshire > Country: Wales > > Street address: 23 Watch House Parade > Condition as to marriage: Married > Education: View image > Employment status: View image > Occupation: Engine Fitter > > Registration district: Newport > Sub-registration district: Newport > ED, institution, or vessel: 19 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Henry Barincoat 66 > > Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5264; Folio: 22; Page: 37; > Line: ; GSU roll: 1342266. > > above the image > You are here: Search > Census > UK Census Collection > 1881 Wales > Census > Monmouthshire > St Woollos > District 19 > > click on St Woollos then > District 19 >>> View description of enumeration district <<< > > an email from ancestry with a link to the image is on its way > > Hugh W > > -- > a wonderful artist in Denmark > http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ > > Beta blogger > http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks > > old blogger GENEALOGE > http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, that I sent to the List. I am so used to selecting "Reply ALL." My apologies to the List. Janet ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

David, that would be wonderful. Thanks so much. God Bless, Janet ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hugh, I have read the book "How Green Was My Valley" and seen the movie. My grandmother who lived in Aberdare until she was 13, told my Mother that the movie was pretty close to what she remembered as a young girl in Wales except for the scene where the Mother sits with her apron open to collect everyone's pay on pay day! I love neat the end of the movie, where Hugh brings out a world map and shows his mother the different country's that all her children have got to. South Africa, Australia, the USA and more that I can't remember. This to me was extremely moving because, I know that my grandmother's extended Lloyd family did scatter around the world. These are collateral ancestors of mine that I would have know if we had all been able to stay in the same area. Now, I will never get to know them. My Grandmother said that when you got up in the morning in (Rhondda Valley) Wales, if it wasn't raining, it was going to! I have also read the "The Citadel" by A. J. Cronin many years ago and was very moved by it I don't know how the mine owners treated my family in the USA but I know they must have been pretty bad to some people because the "Molly Maquire's" were quite active in our area. They bombed my grandmother's family church (Welsh Congregational in Edwardsville,PA) just because the mine owner's also went to that church. All things considered, I would rather harvest fruit than work in the Iron Works or the coal mines! Janet ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I have just read an article in The Times digital archive. It was about how bad the living conditions were at the time. In the article it mentions that Steel production stopped in 1921. David -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Hugh Watkins Sent: 26 March 2007 02:20 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Blaenavon On 25 Mar 2007, at 23:03, Jeff Coleman wrote: > You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except > Margam is > concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, > so you > might not be talking about a blast furnace. > > I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the > slopes of > Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being > pushed > out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would > have been > early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley > maybe it was > Nantymoel ..... or even any old local gas works Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

David, What was the time frame for this article ("the living conditions were bad"). My Wall family worked at the Blaenavon Iron Works in the 1870's. Where can I find the Times (is it the London Times?) digital article? I would like to know as much as I can about life there for my family book that I will make one day for my children, and my nieces and nephews. Perhaps, those conditions were part of the reason that my great grandfather, William Wall, left his family and came to America to search for gold in California!!! God Bless, Janet Virginia, USA ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

On 25 Mar 2007, at 23:03, Jeff Coleman wrote: > You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except > Margam is > concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, > so you > might not be talking about a blast furnace. > > I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the > slopes of > Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being > pushed > out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would > have been > early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley > maybe it was > Nantymoel ..... or even any old local gas works Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

On 25 Mar 2007, at 19:37, Chris Perkins wrote: > Hi, I'm looking for Whatchtower Parade (or Watchhouse) as the > address for some of my ancestors in the 1861 Census. > I assume it is around Pill, Can anyone tell me of the exact location never assume 1881 census is a freebie gazetteer too use Keyword(s) for addresses and occupations 1881 Wales Census about Henry Barincoat Name: Henry Barincoat Age: 66 Estimated birth year: abt 1815 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Penryn, Cornwall, England Civil parish: St Woollos County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: 23 Watch House Parade Condition as to marriage: Married Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: Engine Fitter Registration district: Newport Sub-registration district: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Henry Barincoat 66 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5264; Folio: 22; Page: 37; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342266. above the image You are here: Search > Census > UK Census Collection > 1881 Wales Census > Monmouthshire > St Woollos > District 19 click on St Woollos then District 19 >>> View description of enumeration district <<< an email from ancestry with a link to the image is on its way Hugh W -- a wonderful artist in Denmark http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/ Beta blogger http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks old blogger GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

You get [ or now used to get, as far as most of South Wales except Margam is concerned] quite a glow if coke ovens are being emptied at night, so you might not be talking about a blast furnace. I recall looking down into the Garw valley in Glamorgan from the slopes of Mynydd Caerau or Mynydd Werfa at dusk and seeing red-hot coke being pushed out of the ovens, somewhere near Blaengarw I expect. That would have been early 1960s. If there weren't any coke ovens in the Garw valley maybe it was Nantymoel ..... Jeff

Hi Chris Yes....Whatchouse Parade is opposite the main dock entrance......Glo